@@Schacal6666 you got half of that right, the half of them being great! I meant that the RTS genre (other genres too, but RTS is particularly noticeable) has a reputation for bad sequels
@@Diego-fn3ql True! Only Warhammer Total War / partly total war in general and Sins got it going in the right direction. I heard the renewed Age of Mythology is awesome as well
@@Schacal6666 Age of Empires 3 was also a good sequel, and has many similarities with Age of Mythology such as multiple options to advance through the ages. It even has some mechanics in common with Sins of a Solar Empire such as the minor factions.
God I fuckin love the Vasari. Thank you for making a second one. Can't wait until the third where we'll probably get end-game events with the "Hunters in the Dark".
I know they are already announced that they will be playable race but I think it would be great if they would be some terror flood which you are trying to survive.
My primary race, love their music in both 1 and 2, love their theme as well you definitely get the sense they've been around much longer than the other factions and are used to just steamrolling over everyone they meet without much resistance or need for tactics. Their ship designs look like they've been around for 10's of thousands of years and that each one could singlehandedly subjugate a planet, art team did an amazing job on them in 2.
Well done stardock, this sequel is everything i wanted in a sins 2. I can't wait to see what you add and the new race that is in the works. Sadly i had to uninstall sins rebellion which i had installed perpetually to make room for sins 2 to take it's place as my new always installed always played go to game.
sooo much hope it's something akin to taranids/zergs, some monster/alien swarm/infection kinda race; the endless swarm! ;D but i am excited to see what direction they take it, other 3 are extremely well setup/made ^^
@@Blackstag-jq7jx Yes, it could be, but I think it would be something otherworldly, an extradimensional race as even a dominant race like Vasari cannot retaliate against them effectively and are on verge of being deleted from history. I would say that this make sense. But the question is, how will the that make sense? Faction like TEC and Advent are technologically inferior to Vasari and they have to face a mighty foe that bring down Vasari empire. We will have to wait and see for that :)
@@aimbotster Yeah, I'm thinking the mysterious race that's been chasing the Vasari has to be something bizarre and unconventional. The one time a single Visari ship survived an encounter with what was chasing them, the crew of that ship had apparently gone insane. So whatever it is has to be either *that* terrifying or have the capability of effecting the minds of their enemies, kind of like the Advent. And I think it's going to turn out the Vasari Alliance had the right idea, and that only by working together can TEC, Advent, and the Vasari survive what's coming.
Love how OP some stuff are, but it all balance out bc other stuff is also incredible OP on their own ^^ that's what makes games fun, OP stuff feeling balanced bc there are so much OP cool stuff and together it all adds up to one big swarm off Awesome ;D Love the new FX effects, graphics etc. beautifull
I say this from experience, sending a mass of upgraded defensors, yes those tiny corvettes, can be devastating. I had a game where I managed to find an enemy homeworld extremely early and knocked them out early by mass-producing defensors and sieging the world before they had been able to put up proper defenses. It was hilarious. Whenever I play Vasari, I never have fewer than 100 defensors if I can manage it.
slight error at 2:59 (unless maybe it's a change in an upcoming patch), but resonators produce the same amount of resonance points wherever you place them presently, it's just that systems closer to the star can have more resonators than ones further away can!
0:38 , that word there "consuming" might mean we dealing with devourers lads , something either tyranidic or reaper like . organic or machine . this also mean the goo or nanite theories could be true then
@@ithiusdomino yeah it surprised because up until this point for last 14 years they used the term "fell into silence" without giving a clue on how exactly. but now them using the word consuming sound like a slip from them that revealed a key feature about them
You Guys have really come through for us Fans of the series. Would love a new faction . Maybe a Zerg/Tyranid/bug swarm type or Machines…. Thanks for the great game
so love to just sit and watch the fighting :D two small wishes; * a way to make squads auto-replanish to keep a specific number off each ship when possible; the ability to limit production to only produce when in same orbit (vasari perticularly can have some reinforcements paths where you want to only produce from the mobile factories but also add them directly into the squad. * a way to quickly split a squad into 2 squads off semi equal units. when having to split a large army in parts a slow process if you only want half off the units off each type or half off 5 types but not the last 4 types in the squad. some way to do this fast would be really cool (alt-drag=split in middle maybe? :) TYVM for this amazing game. it's the best rts i've played ^^ (looking forward to the campaign; please not hero/romance story, they kinda screwed up sc2 campaign and the entire story with that focus ^^ love the free unit stuff from tec, would love something alike that (swarm race) but more aggressively focused, larger sqauds off attacking units etc. tyranid style kinda; would also love a non-humanoid race; really reallyyy badly :D ;D
I don't think there is a campaign lol, this is pretty much a RTS in its purest form, gameplay first and campaign and story second, I don't believe there was any campaign in the first game either you just have bits of lore and stuff and fight for control of the galaxy, there is no real story beyond that bro, sorry to burst your bubble, but if you need to know more about the races I suggest hitting the wiki and stuff. There is plenty of world building and lore but no real campaign at least not in the sense of "so and so assassinated your child so you invaded their galaxy for this horrific betrayal" but the sky really is the limit for roleplaying the story can be whatever you want, I plan on being ruthless galactic locusts leaving the barren husks of stripped planets in the wake of my terrible fleet.
If you haven't played sins of a solar empire one you need to pick it up, it will give you a better idea of what to expect and help keep your expectations from running rampant leading to crushing disappointment. The first game still holds up IMO, and it doesn't seem like 2 has drastically changed anything, there isn't any new races unless they're going to announce one last minute. I'm sure there is probably new titans but at least in this video both of the vasari titans shown were in the first game.
I started a new strategy with Vasari and I realized they can swarm quite severely. Rush to tier 3 military tech and get the salvager ship. Together with their passive (need to unlock) to salvage resources from destroyed ships + having the ability to produce all small ships, they can very quickly overwhelm your opponent and steal a shit ton of resources. Basically snowballing you into an unstoppable force. On top of that, you can get the strike craft capital ship, get it to lvl 6 and then you can copy your own ships. Copy 1 and get 3 more. Now you have 4 of your copied ship. Those copies are permanent.
@@franklyfrustrating Ok seriously. Did people like you not check the steam page at all when you bought your copy of the game? Even if you bought it from a key seller you should have seen the reason why I'm replying to you. I see so many people who think the game won't get the 4th race and a story campaign, despite the info being so easily accessible since the launch of the Steam version. Ridiculous.
would be cool if vasari ships had reserach slots on them by a research upgrade. using a slot so important to get 1/25 research slots needed is extremely expensive; ofc then it could be a temporary boost to get a specific research, but pretty sure the research deactivates if you dont have enough research slots available for it even when researched? else you need to first take both to 8 then remove 7 and take one to 15, then remove 15 and take the other to 15, then continue this on 20 and 25. :P
Their research upgrades can make it so that each capital ship with a research module is equivalent to two or even four research stations, meaning just 7 cap ships can research your whole tech tree at the max level.
The Vasari already have research at Tier 3 and 5 that increases the amount of research points provided by Mobile Research Labs to 2 and 4 respectively. With the number of capital ships the Vasari can build, you only need 7 capital ship mobile labs to become fully mobile, and that's before whatever Orkulus Starbases you might build.
@@Erebus2075 if I'm not mistaken, any research you get is permanent, even if you lose research labs. The only thing you lose is the tier bonus (2% weapon DMG I think is the T5 for military). Not 100% sure tho, give it a test yourself with a cheap T1 shield/hull tech! 😁
@@Diego-fn3ql I've been wondering about this for so long and I too think you retain all benefits after finishing the research even if you lose the tech tier but I don't know.
Vasari don't have strike-craft? That's a bummer, In SoSE 1, my favourite defensive tactics was "hornet nest" - building as much strike-craft defensive stations as possible and watch enemy being swarmed by dozens of angry stingers. Oh well, looks like Advent will be my go-to race...
Yeah Vasari only has bombers (much more superior than all the other races) in smaller numbers, so Advent is the way to go if you want to go all in on small fighters/bombers. TEC are not bad either with that. With the right ship and item, Vasari's bombers become incredibly hard to kill and their damage output is to be feared.
Late reply thing, but no its not the phase resonance. Tosurak raiders have passive ability that lets them generate resources when attacking enemy structures, allowing you to fund your economy while devastating theirs!
@@Kurochana But if you hover over the resources while they grow due to raiders attacking, it shows "Phase resonance" while it does, just like it shows Debris reclamation or other things there at other times.
There could be a reason that Vasari fleets is much more expensive to invest in which make them feel sluggish during early and mid-game, and if they persist through late game, it might make sense for Vasari to get the ability to wield huge number of warships that are superior to other races as well as outnumbered enemy fleets.
@@aimbotster Except that's not the case, Vasari fleets are strong right from the start of the game. Especially having nearly instantaneous access to the Kanrak assailant with long-range phase missiles that melts capital ships. And then having some higher scaling damage upgrades for their weapons than the TEC and Advent as well
Wait, so, let me see if i udnerstand correctly. The phase resonator gives you points based on proximity to thr star - does that mean you can build more phase resonators, each giving a point, or does it mean that you get more per phase resonator? I sadly haven't quite understood that in game yet 🙏
Each planet or asteriod has 1,2, or 3 phase energy. When you build the resonator orbital structure you collect it and can then slot it into a menu to get the buff
The game is generally great but there is really some diplomacy update needed. You can't see an enemies attitude nor how likely they are do accept any of your proposals.
I'm convinced after seeing all these videos (and playing the game), the Advent seem underpowered imo. TEC and Vasari economic and military technology and mechanics are just far superior, and let you snowball that much quicker.
I’m a Vasari Exodus man but Advent Wrath are no joke. Overlapping high psi power abilities, strike craft swarms, and late game culture / Unity powers are nuts. You can also play riskier to expand quickly early because of Unity powers to warp home or heal planets.
Beat the game on nightmare as TEC enclave 1v1 for the 2nd time last night (beaten both tec and Vas) and let me tell you the Advent are by far the hardest race to deal with and the only race I have not beaten on nightmare, I bar them from being in the game because they are just to OP and have made me have to restart every time. In saying that the latest patch nerfed them and also fixed PD overkill which is one of the reason I feel Advent where so OP to start with (plus their psi stacking damage abilities was crazy before nerf) so plan to vs them on my impossible run tonight. Also I feel like the AI cheats as no matter how fast and hard I push economy and I mean perfect push cant be done faster yet when you look at the stats at the end they just kill you in the amount of resource collected until late game, the only saving graces is they take way way to long to go down the upgrading military path eg I had a titan out within 90 min yet they took 4hrs for some reason. (I could have ended the game way before the 4hr mark but wanted to see how the Ai would push back after losing their fleet eg testing how the Ai reacts for future reference) ps dont think I will be able to beat the AI on impossible TBH as Nightmare was hard as fk, only way I see it happening is an all out push before they get up and running so no mid or late game. Problem is they collect so much more than you at the start :(
@@benjaminclement8437 what about them specifically though? And was it related to AI difficulty buffs? I feel like their economy is the issue.. The AI get economy cheats at higher difficulties, so..... Would be keen to see if you can beat nightmare playing as Advent. I'm happy to admit I'm missing some key way to play them?
@@XViper123 Well they would just swarm me from so early in the game with Cap, missiles and laser ships that no matter what I did I just could not defend against them. (games would be over way before mid game) I make a game save 1 sec in that I never save over so I can start again with foresight and this is how I was able to beat the AI on nightmare, (have not beat them without this foresight save) just against the Advent no amount of foresight would help and I tried everything from rush economy to rush mil. Once again have not played against them since the nerf and I totally agree that no matter how perfect you play they just outpace you in economy till late mid game. Last game with a perfect start and foresight that I won the AI was still always 10-15k more resources than me and I am guessing impossible is going to widen the gap. PS never played Sins 1 or Advent before, only faction I have played so far is TEC enclave, once I beat AI on insane will move to other factions :)
Vasari Exodus....always been my first choice. Game is a blast, hoping for additional musical scores, server based matchmaking, and more minor factions in the future. Oh and the AI art assets fking suck, pay more than 2 artists maybe.
eh I'd say Vasari early game isnt all rosey. They are the only faction that starts with no pre-built infrastructure and their capital world is the worst kind of the 3 in my book as it offers no crystal beyond the base +2 of all capitals, and isnt really rich in slots. plus, while they have 2 of each exotic for free at the start, they are the only faction that doesnt get to choose their first capital ship (its always gona be an evacuator with the colonize ability picked) making their early game way more predictable than the other factions (though they are likely to get that second capital sooner than others if they dont need the ressources for something else thanks to those free exotics)
Oh you mean the faction that has to start with a slow-clearing glorified settler ship that has weaker AoE and utility than basic TEC slot items? Without any infrastructure or even factories? Meanwhile TEC can start Kol or Sova and just massacre all neutral units. Sure, defensors are strong but that's it. Raiders die in seconds and thanks to the huge buff in PD the Assailants are completely useless if your opponent brings even a single Garda.
@@Isnogood12 Yea that faction that can go toe-to-toe against nightmare AI. TEC is frankly still too slow and their industry in the beginning always has to yield map control, which means more money for Vasari that can simply ramp up more skirmishers or capital ships if there's too much pd Only a Sova start is viable, but that's the only TEC leverage that works.
Listen here Ironclad, While the improvements you have made to the graphics and and the newly implemented orbital mechanics have been well received, we are still somewhat off put by same, obsolete battle mechanics, where anything bigger than a fighter is just sitting at weapon range and pounding on each other with no thought of manuever. Such battles were considered out of date a decade ago. This is 2024 and you are the victims of your own success, we are now holding you to a higher standard!
"the vasari lack a numerical advantage in the war" except it's literally the exact opposite?? they're the only faction who can have 2400 supply while the other two are capped at 2000. that's an insane advantage in the end game! that's 8 more capital ships in the main attack fleet than others can have. the vasari are my favorite faction to play in sins 2 so far but they feel a bit overpowered to me tbh. having extra fleet supply feels like more of a TEC ability too
the numerical advantage also shows in their ships costing more supply overall if I'm right, so even with the higher cap, not sure it means a bigger fleet if you go for a mix of capitals and frigates/cruisers
Yeah Vasari just don't have the fleet synergies that TEC or Advent get, so that's more an attempt to put them back on somewhat even footing than a real buff.
Maybe think of things outside of a vacuum? Their ships also cost more supply than TEC and advent so yes, they lack the numerical advantage as in have less units out at the same time. Nevermind TEC can have infinite supply with their garrisons and Advent can steal your whole fleet, but that 400 extra supply is the big thing?
The TEC can have practically infinite ships from either Garrisons for Enclave or Insurgencies for Primacy, and the Advent's ability to not only mind control ships but also revive them means they can often exceed their stated fleet cap easily.
@@Isnogood12 vasari can also have practically infinite supply through dark fleet towers. it's not a 1-to-1 with the garrisons/mind control etc but it's still a thing. and most vasari ships might cost more supply but their capital ships (which matter most imo) still cost 50 just like everybody else. and hey I'm not a game dev so I could be wrong and it could be perfectly balanced, just giving my impression that having the vasari get more supply than everyone else when they're said to be few in numbers seems odd
"Have been running for TEN THOUSAND YEARS" - Written by someone who has no understanding of time and scale. The game may be good but the "writing" is hilariously bad. Think about it, the aliens have been _constantly_ on the run for longer than humanity has existed as a civilization. And only now, TEN THOUSAND YEARS later do they happen upon two other factions. Why not leave it vague? Have been running for "generations" or "longer than anyone alive can remember" which would still be stretching it, but be a more realistic 100-200 years? Nope, exactly TEN THOUSAND YEARS. Also using human years to measure time for an alien race. Like this writing is just a bad joke. I don't expect much from an RTS game but this is beyond ridiculous.
You aren't fully aware of the lore. Before the exodus they ruled over 'hundreds of alien races' that they had subjugated near the galactic core. If anything it is odd that variants of humanity are the only other major factions in the current era. Regarding timescales - 10k years is an approximation. And as for human years measuring alien time - it's not as if the lore is written in native Vasari... Not exactly immersive to have all this lore in English and then inexplicably a made-up word for years. Winning a Pulitzer, the writing is not, but still a far cry from 'bad joke'. You're still allowed to dislike things that aren't objectively bad - no need to disparage
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After years of disappointing sequels, people called me crazy for still having hopes. Thanks for proving them wrong!
You don’t mean the sins addons, right? Cause they were great
@@Schacal6666 you got half of that right, the half of them being great!
I meant that the RTS genre (other genres too, but RTS is particularly noticeable) has a reputation for bad sequels
@@Diego-fn3ql True! Only Warhammer Total War / partly total war in general and Sins got it going in the right direction. I heard the renewed Age of Mythology is awesome as well
lmfao
@@Schacal6666 Age of Empires 3 was also a good sequel, and has many similarities with Age of Mythology such as multiple options to advance through the ages. It even has some mechanics in common with Sins of a Solar Empire such as the minor factions.
Saved the best for last, well done.
of course advents are the best
@@LauftFafa One would say if the Vasari was not around.
My favorite chain smoking aliens.
Not enough CRYSTAL.
500 MORE CRYSTALS.
Cobra commander. Lol
Five. Hundred. Cigarettes.
@@araulius2132 Calm down, Bortus. Cigaretes are very addictive for you.
God I fuckin love the Vasari. Thank you for making a second one. Can't wait until the third where we'll probably get end-game events with the "Hunters in the Dark".
Can't wait for whatever demons who were able to make the Vasari run for their lives to be playable in game...
I know they are already announced that they will be playable race but I think it would be great if they would be some terror flood which you are trying to survive.
My primary race, love their music in both 1 and 2, love their theme as well you definitely get the sense they've been around much longer than the other factions and are used to just steamrolling over everyone they meet without much resistance or need for tactics. Their ship designs look like they've been around for 10's of thousands of years and that each one could singlehandedly subjugate a planet, art team did an amazing job on them in 2.
Best made sequel!
especially within an rts enviroment we rarely ever see so many changes and never so many good ones ^^
Tbh Vasari wasn’t for me in the first game but I LOVE how they feel in the sequel. Well done 🎉
Well done stardock, this sequel is everything i wanted in a sins 2. I can't wait to see what you add and the new race that is in the works. Sadly i had to uninstall sins rebellion which i had installed perpetually to make room for sins 2 to take it's place as my new always installed always played go to game.
My favorite faction in the first game hands down.
"with peacefull measures, or extreme violence and enslavement as needed " xD haha awesome
The phase gates are operational.
I love this game
When we see the "mystery" aliens that sending the Visari on the run
DLC with 4th race coming.
sooo much hope it's something akin to taranids/zergs, some monster/alien swarm/infection kinda race; the endless swarm! ;D
but i am excited to see what direction they take it, other 3 are extremely well setup/made ^^
@@Erebus2075 I think it might be more akin to Necrons, so a robotic race
@@Blackstag-jq7jx Yes, it could be, but I think it would be something otherworldly, an extradimensional race as even a dominant race like Vasari cannot retaliate against them effectively and are on verge of being deleted from history. I would say that this make sense. But the question is, how will the that make sense? Faction like TEC and Advent are technologically inferior to Vasari and they have to face a mighty foe that bring down Vasari empire. We will have to wait and see for that :)
@@aimbotster Yeah, I'm thinking the mysterious race that's been chasing the Vasari has to be something bizarre and unconventional. The one time a single Visari ship survived an encounter with what was chasing them, the crew of that ship had apparently gone insane. So whatever it is has to be either *that* terrifying or have the capability of effecting the minds of their enemies, kind of like the Advent. And I think it's going to turn out the Vasari Alliance had the right idea, and that only by working together can TEC, Advent, and the Vasari survive what's coming.
Love how OP some stuff are, but it all balance out bc other stuff is also incredible OP on their own ^^
that's what makes games fun, OP stuff feeling balanced bc there are so much OP cool stuff and together it all adds up to one big swarm off Awesome ;D
Love the new FX effects, graphics etc. beautifull
I say this from experience, sending a mass of upgraded defensors, yes those tiny corvettes, can be devastating. I had a game where I managed to find an enemy homeworld extremely early and knocked them out early by mass-producing defensors and sieging the world before they had been able to put up proper defenses. It was hilarious. Whenever I play Vasari, I never have fewer than 100 defensors if I can manage it.
slight error at 2:59 (unless maybe it's a change in an upcoming patch), but resonators produce the same amount of resonance points wherever you place them presently, it's just that systems closer to the star can have more resonators than ones further away can!
Also they can take they starbases - and run away with them.
Allowing them to control stars or other narrow points.
And let's not forget their ability to call portions of the dark fleet for help to defend.
0:38 , that word there "consuming" might mean we dealing with devourers lads , something either tyranidic or reaper like . organic or machine .
this also mean the goo or nanite theories could be true then
Ya, i caught that too. Really thinking it's going to be an organic bug race.
@@ithiusdomino yeah it surprised because up until this point for last 14 years they used the term "fell into silence" without giving a clue on how exactly. but now them using the word consuming sound like a slip from them that revealed a key feature about them
My bet is something from phase space
@@jobt1999 phase space demons consuming minds, bodies and souls? I'd play that!
@@zoxin9293 and advents being the key to beat them with their psychic stuffs ? That could work
is there is chance to see the Skarovas Enforcer again? I loved that ship and its design.
The fabricator cruiser sounds insane! Definitely excited for payday so I can pick this up
Vasari lord here 👀🕷👽
You Guys have really come through for us Fans of the series.
Would love a new faction . Maybe a Zerg/Tyranid/bug swarm type or Machines….
Thanks for the great game
New Faction Coming in the future as DLC
this game is so cool
I like the Alliance thematically but the Exodus faction plays a lot better, and their titan is amazing.
Nice, cool video.
IMO, Vasari have always been the only race worth playing in sins. It looks like that trend continues in 2.
LOVE THIS GAME.
Nice!
Expensive ships coming from an hyper-advanced faction.
The Cylons are coming
so love to just sit and watch the fighting :D
two small wishes;
* a way to make squads auto-replanish to keep a specific number off each ship when possible; the ability to limit production to only produce when in same orbit (vasari perticularly can have some reinforcements paths where you want to only produce from the mobile factories but also add them directly into the squad.
* a way to quickly split a squad into 2 squads off semi equal units. when having to split a large army in parts a slow process if you only want half off the units off each type or half off 5 types but not the last 4 types in the squad. some way to do this fast would be really cool (alt-drag=split in middle maybe? :)
TYVM for this amazing game. it's the best rts i've played ^^ (looking forward to the campaign; please not hero/romance story, they kinda screwed up sc2 campaign and the entire story with that focus ^^
love the free unit stuff from tec, would love something alike that (swarm race) but more aggressively focused, larger sqauds off attacking units etc. tyranid style kinda; would also love a non-humanoid race; really reallyyy badly :D ;D
I don't think there is a campaign lol, this is pretty much a RTS in its purest form, gameplay first and campaign and story second, I don't believe there was any campaign in the first game either you just have bits of lore and stuff and fight for control of the galaxy, there is no real story beyond that bro, sorry to burst your bubble, but if you need to know more about the races I suggest hitting the wiki and stuff. There is plenty of world building and lore but no real campaign at least not in the sense of "so and so assassinated your child so you invaded their galaxy for this horrific betrayal" but the sky really is the limit for roleplaying the story can be whatever you want, I plan on being ruthless galactic locusts leaving the barren husks of stripped planets in the wake of my terrible fleet.
If you haven't played sins of a solar empire one you need to pick it up, it will give you a better idea of what to expect and help keep your expectations from running rampant leading to crushing disappointment. The first game still holds up IMO, and it doesn't seem like 2 has drastically changed anything, there isn't any new races unless they're going to announce one last minute. I'm sure there is probably new titans but at least in this video both of the vasari titans shown were in the first game.
There will be a campaign and new race added as DLC which is confirmed by devs later on
I started a new strategy with Vasari and I realized they can swarm quite severely. Rush to tier 3 military tech and get the salvager ship. Together with their passive (need to unlock) to salvage resources from destroyed ships + having the ability to produce all small ships, they can very quickly overwhelm your opponent and steal a shit ton of resources. Basically snowballing you into an unstoppable force.
On top of that, you can get the strike craft capital ship, get it to lvl 6 and then you can copy your own ships. Copy 1 and get 3 more. Now you have 4 of your copied ship. Those copies are permanent.
@@franklyfrustrating Ok seriously. Did people like you not check the steam page at all when you bought your copy of the game? Even if you bought it from a key seller you should have seen the reason why I'm replying to you.
I see so many people who think the game won't get the 4th race and a story campaign, despite the info being so easily accessible since the launch of the Steam version. Ridiculous.
would be cool if vasari ships had reserach slots on them by a research upgrade. using a slot so important to get 1/25 research slots needed is extremely expensive; ofc then it could be a temporary boost to get a specific research, but pretty sure the research deactivates if you dont have enough research slots available for it even when researched? else you need to first take both to 8 then remove 7 and take one to 15, then remove 15 and take the other to 15, then continue this on 20 and 25. :P
Their research upgrades can make it so that each capital ship with a research module is equivalent to two or even four research stations, meaning just 7 cap ships can research your whole tech tree at the max level.
The Vasari already have research at Tier 3 and 5 that increases the amount of research points provided by Mobile Research Labs to 2 and 4 respectively. With the number of capital ships the Vasari can build, you only need 7 capital ship mobile labs to become fully mobile, and that's before whatever Orkulus Starbases you might build.
@@Erebus2075 if I'm not mistaken, any research you get is permanent, even if you lose research labs. The only thing you lose is the tier bonus (2% weapon DMG I think is the T5 for military).
Not 100% sure tho, give it a test yourself with a cheap T1 shield/hull tech! 😁
@@Diego-fn3ql I've been wondering about this for so long and I too think you retain all benefits after finishing the research even if you lose the tech tier but I don't know.
Wait phase resonance increases travel speed in phase.... I completely missed that in game
Any way to defend on those sheild avoiding missiles and spam
Advent have superb PD weapons to knock missiles out before they hit, including a dedicated ship for it (a cruiser I think)
Please make abilities like the Gravity Warhead actually stop phase jumping after it's been initiated, it's so lame right now.
I also get peeved about it.
I really thought advent was the most dominant in influence.
Vasari don't have strike-craft? That's a bummer, In SoSE 1, my favourite defensive tactics was "hornet nest" - building as much strike-craft defensive stations as possible and watch enemy being swarmed by dozens of angry stingers. Oh well, looks like Advent will be my go-to race...
They still have bombers they just don't have fighters.
their bombers are actually stronger than the other factions in terms of damage and survivability
Yeah Vasari only has bombers (much more superior than all the other races) in smaller numbers, so Advent is the way to go if you want to go all in on small fighters/bombers. TEC are not bad either with that.
With the right ship and item, Vasari's bombers become incredibly hard to kill and their damage output is to be feared.
How do you counter Vasari phase missile spam as TEC?
Garda Flak frigates to shoot them down, and some other ships of your choice to kill the Assailants.
Flak burst?
Wait a minute, Steal resources with the Tosurak Raiders? Is that the "Phase resonance" thing that shows up on the top ?
Yeah their pulse guns plunder buildings for resources.
Late reply thing, but no its not the phase resonance.
Tosurak raiders have passive ability that lets them generate resources when attacking enemy structures,
allowing you to fund your economy while devastating theirs!
@@Kurochana But if you hover over the resources while they grow due to raiders attacking, it shows "Phase resonance" while it does, just like it shows Debris reclamation or other things there at other times.
Why do the Vasari get 2400 fleet supply when both other factions are limited to 2000?
There could be a reason that Vasari fleets is much more expensive to invest in which make them feel sluggish during early and mid-game, and if they persist through late game, it might make sense for Vasari to get the ability to wield huge number of warships that are superior to other races as well as outnumbered enemy fleets.
@@aimbotster Except that's not the case, Vasari fleets are strong right from the start of the game. Especially having nearly instantaneous access to the Kanrak assailant with long-range phase missiles that melts capital ships.
And then having some higher scaling damage upgrades for their weapons than the TEC and Advent as well
Wait, so, let me see if i udnerstand correctly. The phase resonator gives you points based on proximity to thr star - does that mean you can build more phase resonators, each giving a point, or does it mean that you get more per phase resonator? I sadly haven't quite understood that in game yet 🙏
You get to build more, each resonator always gives 1 point.
Each planet or asteriod has 1,2, or 3 phase energy. When you build the resonator orbital structure you collect it and can then slot it into a menu to get the buff
man come on i want that flying wing titan on the allies faction side
The game is generally great but there is really some diplomacy update needed. You can't see an enemies attitude nor how likely they are do accept any of your proposals.
Do the alliance faction research still call using slave ? If so quite out of character
Sins of a Solar Empire I was more realistic in ships and laser etc
if they just made it support multicore it will be great
Gonna laugh when it's revealed the "Doom of the Vasari" is just a very angry Doomslayer that ran out of demons to slay.
To be fair, you'd run too
@@stardockgames 110%!!
please add more races. love the game but its dissapointing that we waited 15 years for a sequel only for there to be the same races as the first game.
well, they did announce a fourth race will be added in the future
I'm convinced after seeing all these videos (and playing the game), the Advent seem underpowered imo.
TEC and Vasari economic and military technology and mechanics are just far superior, and let you snowball that much quicker.
I’m a Vasari Exodus man but Advent Wrath are no joke. Overlapping high psi power abilities, strike craft swarms, and late game culture / Unity powers are nuts. You can also play riskier to expand quickly early because of Unity powers to warp home or heal planets.
@@gendronggrant Culture seems pathetically underpowered and very easy to counter in the current state.
Beat the game on nightmare as TEC enclave 1v1 for the 2nd time last night (beaten both tec and Vas) and let me tell you the Advent are by far the hardest race to deal with and the only race I have not beaten on nightmare, I bar them from being in the game because they are just to OP and have made me have to restart every time. In saying that the latest patch nerfed them and also fixed PD overkill which is one of the reason I feel Advent where so OP to start with (plus their psi stacking damage abilities was crazy before nerf) so plan to vs them on my impossible run tonight.
Also I feel like the AI cheats as no matter how fast and hard I push economy and I mean perfect push cant be done faster yet when you look at the stats at the end they just kill you in the amount of resource collected until late game, the only saving graces is they take way way to long to go down the upgrading military path eg I had a titan out within 90 min yet they took 4hrs for some reason. (I could have ended the game way before the 4hr mark but wanted to see how the Ai would push back after losing their fleet eg testing how the Ai reacts for future reference)
ps dont think I will be able to beat the AI on impossible TBH as Nightmare was hard as fk, only way I see it happening is an all out push before they get up and running so no mid or late game. Problem is they collect so much more than you at the start :(
@@benjaminclement8437 what about them specifically though? And was it related to AI difficulty buffs?
I feel like their economy is the issue.. The AI get economy cheats at higher difficulties, so.....
Would be keen to see if you can beat nightmare playing as Advent. I'm happy to admit I'm missing some key way to play them?
@@XViper123 Well they would just swarm me from so early in the game with Cap, missiles and laser ships that no matter what I did I just could not defend against them. (games would be over way before mid game)
I make a game save 1 sec in that I never save over so I can start again with foresight and this is how I was able to beat the AI on nightmare, (have not beat them without this foresight save) just against the Advent no amount of foresight would help and I tried everything from rush economy to rush mil.
Once again have not played against them since the nerf and I totally agree that no matter how perfect you play they just outpace you in economy till late mid game.
Last game with a perfect start and foresight that I won the AI was still always 10-15k more resources than me and I am guessing impossible is going to widen the gap.
PS never played Sins 1 or Advent before, only faction I have played so far is TEC enclave, once I beat AI on insane will move to other factions :)
Did this not mention Mobile Starbase ??? !!!
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New player avatars not looks good
Can we get old?
Vasari Exodus....always been my first choice. Game is a blast, hoping for additional musical scores, server based matchmaking, and more minor factions in the future. Oh and the AI art assets fking suck, pay more than 2 artists maybe.
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The Vasari is easily the best faction.
Advent and TEC need more buffs for early game if they want to compete.
eh I'd say Vasari early game isnt all rosey. They are the only faction that starts with no pre-built infrastructure and their capital world is the worst kind of the 3 in my book as it offers no crystal beyond the base +2 of all capitals, and isnt really rich in slots. plus, while they have 2 of each exotic for free at the start, they are the only faction that doesnt get to choose their first capital ship (its always gona be an evacuator with the colonize ability picked) making their early game way more predictable than the other factions (though they are likely to get that second capital sooner than others if they dont need the ressources for something else thanks to those free exotics)
Oh you mean the faction that has to start with a slow-clearing glorified settler ship that has weaker AoE and utility than basic TEC slot items? Without any infrastructure or even factories? Meanwhile TEC can start Kol or Sova and just massacre all neutral units. Sure, defensors are strong but that's it. Raiders die in seconds and thanks to the huge buff in PD the Assailants are completely useless if your opponent brings even a single Garda.
@@Isnogood12 Yea that faction that can go toe-to-toe against nightmare AI. TEC is frankly still too slow and their industry in the beginning always has to yield map control, which means more money for Vasari that can simply ramp up more skirmishers or capital ships if there's too much pd
Only a Sova start is viable, but that's the only TEC leverage that works.
Listen here Ironclad,
While the improvements you have made to the graphics and and the newly implemented orbital mechanics have been well received, we are still somewhat off put by same, obsolete battle mechanics, where anything bigger than a fighter is just sitting at weapon range and pounding on each other with no thought of manuever. Such battles were considered out of date a decade ago.
This is 2024 and you are the victims of your own success, we are now holding you to a higher standard!
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I absolutely HATE the voice acting, it's so bad! 🤢🤮
"the vasari lack a numerical advantage in the war" except it's literally the exact opposite?? they're the only faction who can have 2400 supply while the other two are capped at 2000. that's an insane advantage in the end game! that's 8 more capital ships in the main attack fleet than others can have. the vasari are my favorite faction to play in sins 2 so far but they feel a bit overpowered to me tbh. having extra fleet supply feels like more of a TEC ability too
the numerical advantage also shows in their ships costing more supply overall if I'm right, so even with the higher cap, not sure it means a bigger fleet if you go for a mix of capitals and frigates/cruisers
Yeah Vasari just don't have the fleet synergies that TEC or Advent get, so that's more an attempt to put them back on somewhat even footing than a real buff.
Maybe think of things outside of a vacuum? Their ships also cost more supply than TEC and advent so yes, they lack the numerical advantage as in have less units out at the same time. Nevermind TEC can have infinite supply with their garrisons and Advent can steal your whole fleet, but that 400 extra supply is the big thing?
The TEC can have practically infinite ships from either Garrisons for Enclave or Insurgencies for Primacy, and the Advent's ability to not only mind control ships but also revive them means they can often exceed their stated fleet cap easily.
@@Isnogood12 vasari can also have practically infinite supply through dark fleet towers. it's not a 1-to-1 with the garrisons/mind control etc but it's still a thing. and most vasari ships might cost more supply but their capital ships (which matter most imo) still cost 50 just like everybody else. and hey I'm not a game dev so I could be wrong and it could be perfectly balanced, just giving my impression that having the vasari get more supply than everyone else when they're said to be few in numbers seems odd
"Have been running for TEN THOUSAND YEARS"
- Written by someone who has no understanding of time and scale. The game may be good but the "writing" is hilariously bad. Think about it, the aliens have been _constantly_ on the run for longer than humanity has existed as a civilization. And only now, TEN THOUSAND YEARS later do they happen upon two other factions. Why not leave it vague? Have been running for "generations" or "longer than anyone alive can remember" which would still be stretching it, but be a more realistic 100-200 years? Nope, exactly TEN THOUSAND YEARS. Also using human years to measure time for an alien race. Like this writing is just a bad joke. I don't expect much from an RTS game but this is beyond ridiculous.
Its a space RTS with telekinesis and nanomachines, what does realism have to do with anything. This has to be bait.
You aren't fully aware of the lore. Before the exodus they ruled over 'hundreds of alien races' that they had subjugated near the galactic core. If anything it is odd that variants of humanity are the only other major factions in the current era.
Regarding timescales - 10k years is an approximation. And as for human years measuring alien time - it's not as if the lore is written in native Vasari... Not exactly immersive to have all this lore in English and then inexplicably a made-up word for years.
Winning a Pulitzer, the writing is not, but still a far cry from 'bad joke'. You're still allowed to dislike things that aren't objectively bad - no need to disparage