Nike Invincible 1 is still my go to easy run shoe, wonderful for half marathon distance on gravel/ paths. Only around 150-200 miles on them, currently trialling the NB rebels v4 which are very similiar but i reluctantly had to return as the UK 9 were too small.
Thank you for the review Alex... I use Cliftons, but recently tried (in the store) and was impressed with the New Balance Fresh Foam X 1080v13. Just wondering why you picked the 880 over the 1080v13, thanks
Alex here👋 I went with the 880 over the 1080 because they offered a bit more connection to the ground. The 1080’s cushioning took a while to get used to. That said, the 1080 is also in my rotation - very comfortable. And I can see how you took to them if you’re already a fan of HOKA
I would not recommend the Hoka Clifton to anyone! I’ve had three pairs that have lasted me less than 5 months each, and have really did damage to my feet because of them. The heel is way too high and the heel cushion crumbles so quickly and you are stomping instead of running! It also makes you lose muscle on the front of your feet. Do not get these shoes!
I just hit 1000km on mine and im loving them! Looking for a new pair this summer but thinking of getting another pair on the Clifton 9’s tbh. Sorry to hear about your experience tho
@@marathonhandbook tbh, I haven’t started tracking my km’s on Strava with shoes until my last pair which were the asics cumulus. I got about 600 until I finally retired them. I had a bad case of planters fasciitis, which was the big reason I left and got introduced to the Hoka brand. I’m now using the Mach 5 for my shorter/faster runs and looking to get another daily runner. But like I said, the Clifton 9’s have been so good to me that I’m considering just getting another pair
Hey! I just have a question about my personal pair of running shoes. Can you compare my shoes (the under armor charged assert 10) to any of these shoes? Most specifically the brooks glycerin because i think they will be the ones for me. Thanks!
Adidas SL2 will destroy performance wise 41, all that's left of Pegasus is maybe the looks. Novablast 4 is fine. Nike is crappy lately all around. Vomero 17 maybe their best shoe lately but could have been easily even better.
Hey, Alex here. I’d suggest you visit a running shop and have a knowledgeable worker fit you. A training shoe (and not a racing shoe with a carbon plate) is a good place to start. After that, you can test different heel to toe drops (the difference in off-ground height between the shoe’s heel and its toe) to find out what you like. The shoes in this video are pretty safe picks, in my opinion. But nothing beats testing a few pairs yourself to see what works best for your unique feet and stride. Pro tip: don’t sell yourself short even if you’re a beginner. Often, spending the extra $30 for a better pair of trainers is worth the potential injury prevention down the line.
@@marathonhandbook thanks for the info man! I will definitely hit up a shop. I was about 2 mins away from pressing order on a pair of Mach 6 they were just calling to me 🤣
Alex here 👋 I didn’t find the aeroglide to be on par with these shoes, but to each their own. Still, I’m excited to see Salomon venturing into the supershoe game.
Really great video I cannot do the Hokas I feel like Frankenstein. I know 5 to 6 years ago Brooks were all the rage but I never ended up with a pair instead I ended up with the 880s Fresh Foam X very soft extremely comfortable for walking. The Nikes I feel like Nike in general meh... but the shoe that is missing from this already excellent video is the On cloud Surfer. I would choose those first 880 second. Excellent video I am now proceeding to subscribe
860 feels better than 880 but it's probably a matter of taste. 880 boring and firm. 1080 far better than both. Invincible is horribly designed so square. For walking so ugly on foot. And I'd argue nimbus 25 is better than 26.
Alex here 👋 I agree that the invincible 3 is a weird shoe to walk in… but it works for me when it comes to running. Though, you’d choose the Nimbus 25 over 26? Why is that?
Dang, I never thought about trying the 880. I was just at NB store yesterday to try the 1080v13 on and while I like the it's very squishy, I almost felt like I was on high heels lol. It's not stable at all, or I should have tried wider foot version?! Btw, do you happen have adidas ultra boost 22? I bought a pair a few months ago because of all the hypes, but I find it's very stiff, or it takes time to break in? I have 1080v11 and Clifton 8 and they both are so soft on feet compared to UB22
The 880 might be a good choice for you, then; you will feel the ground a bit more. At least worth an in-store test. And no, I haven't tried the Ultra Boosts. It's on the bucket list!
Brooks are so good, I always thought they were a lower end brand, and I think yes they are but that’s because they’re very underrated, I got the Brooks Adrenaline with the pronation guards, and flat sole, perfect running shoe 👍🏻 👌
The Rebel V4 is light and bouncy, and could quickly transform your LSD to LFD! If you like New Balance, but want a bit more cushion and support, I'd opt for the 1080 V14. You can likely find last year's version, the V13, on sale somewhere.
Alex here: As far as I’m concerned, NO! Or, at least, not exactly. The NB supercomp trainer is in a hybrid category between training shoes and racing shoes that we’re calling supertrainers (essentially, souped-up training shoes that are a bit too cushioned to be racing shoes.) And FYI, we’re working on a Top 5 Supertrainers video. Stay tuned!
The Nike invincible run 3 is horrible - with these my feet go inwards. Never had this with any other shoe - not Asics, not Adidas, not Saucony, not Rebook or other Nikes.
Yeah, the Nike pick was surprising even for us! But it's legitimately a fantastic shoe and shockingly durable. We'll see if it holds up as a top pick at our year-end roundup!
Thanks for the review, I always think I want to try a new running shoe so I watch these reviews but then I just can't part with my Hoka Mach 5's. About ready to get the Mach 6.. just waiting till I actually need a pair not just want a pair 😆 I'm sad the Mach didn't make your list. Curious if you've tried it. Cheers!
Alex again - I did try the Mach 6! The reason I didn’t add them is because they are light like a workout shoe, and in this review I stuck with daily, more durable trainers. I don’t use the Mach 6 for easy runs because they make me go too quickly - but they’re nice for workouts. One of my favourite non-carbon plated workout shoes.
tahts true invincible 3 somehow killed my feet first two runs, front calves were burning and even when I walked after the run still so heavy, after 3rd long run the squishiness of foam was activated and actual
thanks for your top five! With regards to the invincible 3, I was put off by the many reviews that said the shoes had heel slip issues and were heavy. You didn't experience those issues?
I didn’t, but I also think people with particular skinny ankles/feet should look elsewhere because the shoe trends a bit wide in that area. As for the weight, I find that the Zoom X foam’s bounce counterbalances it. They’re worth a try: ideally, an in-store test.
Heel slip is maddening and the arch feels like it's trying to murder my foot. I've been running for 15 years. I've had probably 5-10 shoes a year in every brand and it's the only shoe I've absolutely hated with a passion I don't get why people buy it
What race day shoe would you recommend for someone who is going to run their first half marathon. Current daily rotation guide 17/ brooks adrenaline 23 and hoka Clifton 8/9s. I’m a heavier runner at. 280lbs and 6ft 4”. Looking forward to your input
Hey Dustin, we're working on a similar video for racing shoes, so more on that later. For now, are you looking to try carbon plated shoes for racing? Or are you sticking with traditional trainers like you listed? If it's the latter, the five in the video are good choices. If you're open to trying something that still feels supportive like a traditional trainer but with a bit more pop, the On Cloudmonster 2 might be a good pick for you. We did a review on it here: th-cam.com/video/4j8-wk7IcS4/w-d-xo.html
@@marathonhandbook definitely something lighter and a bit more pop. The cloud monster 2 unfortunately goes up to a 14 and I’m a 15. I’m leaning towards the endorphin speed 4 but I will keep an eye out for yalls video! Thank you
Any recommendations for someone who likes a widetoebox, zero drop shoe? I currently run with topo athletic and I really like them, but I’d like to try out some other shoes that are out there. Personally Not a fan of altras.
Zero-drop shoes today are few and far between. Are you interested in a racing shoe? If so, the Under Armour Velociti Elite 2 might be a match. It's not 0mm, but the stack is low, and they feel much closer to the ground than do other supershoes.
The Hoka Clifton 9 feels firm and not soft like my first actual pair, ASICS Gel Nimbus 25, for my first run. Also it is more narrow, should I wait and run in it more or should I return.
@@marathonhandbook No, but I usually prefer the wider versions. I'm probably going to return them and get ASICS Novablast 4 instead. It's just that HOKA Cliftons don't feel like max cushion shoes to me and I don't know why.
I bought a pair of Nike Invincible 3's two weeks ago and I really liked them but I fear the shoe is made quite cheaply. Its seperating from the midsole after less than 20mi and after reading reviews it seems to be an all too common issue.
I had to give a thumbs up because I really love my Glycerin’s. They are a workhorse. They will last a long time. I have about 250 miles on my pair and they still feel and look great. As far as Nike and ASICS are concerned, I like the Novablast and the Vomero 17’s a bit more than your choices. Nevertheless, to each their own.
Nike Invincible 1 is still my go to easy run shoe, wonderful for half marathon distance on gravel/ paths. Only around 150-200 miles on them, currently trialling the NB rebels v4 which are very similiar but i reluctantly had to return as the UK 9 were too small.
I’m a fan of trying out shoes in store because of that: there seem to be tiny size fluctuations between brands.
@@marathonhandbook in future im going off EU/ US sizes and not UK
Thank you for the review Alex...
I use Cliftons, but recently tried (in the store) and was impressed with the New Balance Fresh Foam X 1080v13. Just wondering why you picked the 880 over the 1080v13, thanks
Alex here👋
I went with the 880 over the 1080 because they offered a bit more connection to the ground. The 1080’s cushioning took a while to get used to. That said, the 1080 is also in my rotation - very comfortable. And I can see how you took to them if you’re already a fan of HOKA
@@marathonhandbookbut why 880 over 860?
I would not recommend the Hoka Clifton to anyone! I’ve had three pairs that have lasted me less than 5 months each, and have really did damage to my feet because of them. The heel is way too high and the heel cushion crumbles so quickly and you are stomping instead of running! It also makes you lose muscle on the front of your feet. Do not get these shoes!
I just hit 1000km on mine and im loving them! Looking for a new pair this summer but thinking of getting another pair on the Clifton 9’s tbh. Sorry to hear about your experience tho
1000km! That’s a lot farther than I made it with them 😅
That’s a shame. Have you found success with other brands?
@@marathonhandbook tbh, I haven’t started tracking my km’s on Strava with shoes until my last pair which were the asics cumulus. I got about 600 until I finally retired them. I had a bad case of planters fasciitis, which was the big reason I left and got introduced to the Hoka brand. I’m now using the Mach 5 for my shorter/faster runs and looking to get another daily runner. But like I said, the Clifton 9’s have been so good to me that I’m considering just getting another pair
I have run more than 500 km in my Clifton 9 shoes. I love these shoes. They are very comfortable.
Overall good video. I like your picks but disagree on the Glycerines. My pair didn’t last nearly as long as my Gel Nimbus.
Tough to beat the Nimbus’ durability.
Hey! I just have a question about my personal pair of running shoes. Can you compare my shoes (the under armor charged assert 10) to any of these shoes? Most specifically the brooks glycerin because i think they will be the ones for me. Thanks!
Hey, Alex here - unfortunately, I’ve never tried the charge assert 10s. Frankly, I’ve never heard of them!
@@marathonhandbook can you try them out and compare for me please?
Nimbus 25 was an 8mm drop so if they have made it 12mm then shame on them but maybe check your stats as don’t believe they have 😊
Try Pegasus 41, Asics novablast 4
I can confirm that the ASICS Novablast 4 are an absolute delight
Agreed! I’m in the process of testing them😅
Adidas SL2 will destroy performance wise 41, all that's left of Pegasus is maybe the looks. Novablast 4 is fine. Nike is crappy lately all around. Vomero 17 maybe their best shoe lately but could have been easily even better.
My experience with Hoka is that they run really small in size
As someone who is completely new to running and is using it purely to get my cardio up, what’s the best way to go about getting the best shoe for me?
Hey, Alex here. I’d suggest you visit a running shop and have a knowledgeable worker fit you. A training shoe (and not a racing shoe with a carbon plate) is a good place to start. After that, you can test different heel to toe drops (the difference in off-ground height between the shoe’s heel and its toe) to find out what you like.
The shoes in this video are pretty safe picks, in my opinion. But nothing beats testing a few pairs yourself to see what works best for your unique feet and stride.
Pro tip: don’t sell yourself short even if you’re a beginner. Often, spending the extra $30 for a better pair of trainers is worth the potential injury prevention down the line.
@@marathonhandbook thanks for the info man!
I will definitely hit up a shop.
I was about 2 mins away from pressing order on a pair of Mach 6 they were just calling to me 🤣
how do the 880v14s fit length and width wise?
Hey, Alex here 👋
To me they fit true to size. I’m a size 11 with a D width foot, and haven’t encountered any issues.
@@marathonhandbook thanks so much Alex!!
Number 1 is Salomon Aeroglide!
Alex here 👋
I didn’t find the aeroglide to be on par with these shoes, but to each their own. Still, I’m excited to see Salomon venturing into the supershoe game.
Really great video I cannot do the Hokas I feel like Frankenstein. I know 5 to 6 years ago Brooks were all the rage but I never ended up with a pair instead I ended up with the 880s Fresh Foam X very soft extremely comfortable for walking. The Nikes I feel like Nike in general meh... but the shoe that is missing from this already excellent video is the On cloud Surfer. I would choose those first 880 second. Excellent video I am now proceeding to subscribe
Thanks for watching! Cloudsurfers aren’t a bad pick. Maybe my #7😉
Thanks for watching! Cloudsurfers aren’t a bad pick. Maybe my #7😉
isn't 600km good?
I’d call it average. I’ve had shoes that have taken me for 1,000, even 1,200 kilometres.
Bro…. Do u even lift?
All 5 are not my top 5 😉
Monsana
860 feels better than 880 but it's probably a matter of taste. 880 boring and firm. 1080 far better than both. Invincible is horribly designed so square. For walking so ugly on foot. And I'd argue nimbus 25 is better than 26.
Alex here 👋
I agree that the invincible 3 is a weird shoe to walk in… but it works for me when it comes to running. Though, you’d choose the Nimbus 25 over 26? Why is that?
@@marathonhandbook jump from 24 to 25 was big, to
26 incremental, maybe slightly even worse foam and 25 is cheaper now
@@marathonhandbook but 880 over 860? That's insane, u probably didn't try 860
Babe
Addidas didn't make this cut?!
Not here... but they cracked our list of Top Supershoes of 2024: th-cam.com/video/K3RzomhBpJ8/w-d-xo.html
None of your top 5 is in my top 10 😭
So, what are your top 10??
Dang, I never thought about trying the 880. I was just at NB store yesterday to try the 1080v13 on and while I like the it's very squishy, I almost felt like I was on high heels lol. It's not stable at all, or I should have tried wider foot version?! Btw, do you happen have adidas ultra boost 22? I bought a pair a few months ago because of all the hypes, but I find it's very stiff, or it takes time to break in? I have 1080v11 and Clifton 8 and they both are so soft on feet compared to UB22
The 880 might be a good choice for you, then; you will feel the ground a bit more. At least worth an in-store test. And no, I haven't tried the Ultra Boosts. It's on the bucket list!
Brooks are so good, I always thought they were a lower end brand, and I think yes they are but that’s because they’re very underrated, I got the Brooks Adrenaline with the pronation guards, and flat sole, perfect running shoe 👍🏻 👌
Agreed - Brooks had a glow-up in recent years. Don’t count them out!
Brooks are definitely not low end.
No adizero sl 2 is criminal
It sounds like cheese to me💨
The NEw Balance Rebel V4 is on sale
I wanna know if this is a good shoe for LSD
The Rebel V4 is light and bouncy, and could quickly transform your LSD to LFD! If you like New Balance, but want a bit more cushion and support, I'd opt for the 1080 V14. You can likely find last year's version, the V13, on sale somewhere.
Show us the shoes dawg
If they have a carbon plate, they're not training shoes? Is the New Balance FuelCell SuperComp *Trainer* not a training shoe?
Alex here: As far as I’m concerned, NO! Or, at least, not exactly.
The NB supercomp trainer is in a hybrid category between training shoes and racing shoes that we’re calling supertrainers (essentially, souped-up training shoes that are a bit too cushioned to be racing shoes.)
And FYI, we’re working on a Top 5 Supertrainers video. Stay tuned!
The Nike invincible run 3 is horrible - with these my feet go inwards. Never had this with any other shoe - not Asics, not Adidas, not Saucony, not Rebook or other Nikes.
Interesting. What’s your training shoe of choice?
@@marathonhandbook I love the Asics Novablast 3, but also run in different - older HOKA ONE ONE Bondi, Asics Metaspeed and Nike Peg 38, i.a.
Pretty safe list, won't go wrong with any of these but Nike are 1🤮
Yeah, the Nike pick was surprising even for us! But it's legitimately a fantastic shoe and shockingly durable. We'll see if it holds up as a top pick at our year-end roundup!
NB 1080 v13 is one of the best...👌
Also a fan! Comfy and cushioned.
Thanks for the review, I always think I want to try a new running shoe so I watch these reviews but then I just can't part with my Hoka Mach 5's. About ready to get the Mach 6.. just waiting till I actually need a pair not just want a pair 😆 I'm sad the Mach didn't make your list. Curious if you've tried it. Cheers!
Alex again - I did try the Mach 6! The reason I didn’t add them is because they are light like a workout shoe, and in this review I stuck with daily, more durable trainers.
I don’t use the Mach 6 for easy runs because they make me go too quickly - but they’re nice for workouts. One of my favourite non-carbon plated workout shoes.
When you use terms like "these ones" and "super" you lose professional credibility.
This makes video reviews difficult to watch.
tahts true invincible 3 somehow killed my feet first two runs, front calves were burning and even when I walked after the run still so heavy, after 3rd long run the squishiness of foam was activated and actual
thanks for your top five! With regards to the invincible 3, I was put off by the many reviews that said the shoes had heel slip issues and were heavy. You didn't experience those issues?
I didn’t, but I also think people with particular skinny ankles/feet should look elsewhere because the shoe trends a bit wide in that area.
As for the weight, I find that the Zoom X foam’s bounce counterbalances it. They’re worth a try: ideally, an in-store test.
Heel slip is maddening and the arch feels like it's trying to murder my foot.
I've been running for 15 years. I've had probably 5-10 shoes a year in every brand and it's the only shoe I've absolutely hated with a passion I don't get why people buy it
invincible 3 is good but its heavy
That’s solved by using a Runners knot.
The outsole of invincible 3 cannot last 1200km. I’ve had 3 pairs so far. 600km max
What race day shoe would you recommend for someone who is going to run their first half marathon. Current daily rotation guide 17/ brooks adrenaline 23 and hoka Clifton 8/9s. I’m a heavier runner at. 280lbs and 6ft 4”. Looking forward to your input
Hey Dustin, we're working on a similar video for racing shoes, so more on that later. For now, are you looking to try carbon plated shoes for racing? Or are you sticking with traditional trainers like you listed? If it's the latter, the five in the video are good choices. If you're open to trying something that still feels supportive like a traditional trainer but with a bit more pop, the On Cloudmonster 2 might be a good pick for you. We did a review on it here: th-cam.com/video/4j8-wk7IcS4/w-d-xo.html
@@marathonhandbook definitely something lighter and a bit more pop. The cloud monster 2 unfortunately goes up to a 14 and I’m a 15. I’m leaning towards the endorphin speed 4 but I will keep an eye out for yalls video! Thank you
Yes
Any recommendations for someone who likes a widetoebox, zero drop shoe? I currently run with topo athletic and I really like them, but I’d like to try out some other shoes that are out there. Personally Not a fan of altras.
Zero-drop shoes today are few and far between. Are you interested in a racing shoe? If so, the Under Armour Velociti Elite 2 might be a match. It's not 0mm, but the stack is low, and they feel much closer to the ground than do other supershoes.
Really like the Clifton 9, but went dead at around 180 miles (300k) for me. Hope Hoka comes up with a new foam to the next Clifton.
Agreed!
The Hoka Clifton 9 feels firm and not soft like my first actual pair, ASICS Gel Nimbus 25, for my first run. Also it is more narrow, should I wait and run in it more or should I return.
I do find that HOKAs get softer after a few runs. As for the width, that probably won't change. Are they irritating your feet?
@@marathonhandbook No, but I usually prefer the wider versions. I'm probably going to return them and get ASICS Novablast 4 instead. It's just that HOKA Cliftons don't feel like max cushion shoes to me and I don't know why.
I bought a pair of Nike Invincible 3's two weeks ago and I really liked them but I fear the shoe is made quite cheaply. Its seperating from the midsole after less than 20mi and after reading reviews it seems to be an all too common issue.
Really? Might be worth contacting the company; I don’t think that’s normal.
@@marathonhandbook Yup I filed a claim for it just have to send them in to Nike after the 4th, sad cause I loved how they feel!
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Nimbus 26. Hands down.
My current trainer!
The first I saw that color way was on a Pegasus 34
The colour way on the Invincible 3?
On the Pegasus you showed at the end of the video.
Was looking at my phone for notifications with your checkmark sounds
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I had to give a thumbs up because I really love my Glycerin’s. They are a workhorse. They will last a long time. I have about 250 miles on my pair and they still feel and look great. As far as Nike and ASICS are concerned, I like the Novablast and the Vomero 17’s a bit more than your choices. Nevertheless, to each their own.
Thanks for watching! The Vomero 8s were my mileage shoe in my first year of college - not a bad choice by any means.