Everything changed in 2018 because the Reebok money stopped. CF sued Reebok, and the settlement stopped the money. That's why media went away, that's why Greg started saying he "hated the Games". Greg *loved* the Games until Reebok was no longer spending $10M+ / yr on CF. Go back and read the Reebok contract with CF, Section 8.5 to see how much Reebok was contributing. When that money stopped, everything good stopped. The whole friggin thing was Reebok. Go look up the contract.
@@imperfectstillworthitreebok had two websites, their own main site and then a crossfjt specific site whatever was sold on Reebok’s CrossFit specific site had a higher royalty kick back to CrossFit, so reebok was caught not restocking inventory on their CrossFit site but instead would only restock their main site where the royalty for CrossFit was less
@@imperfectstillworthit A dispute over royalty calculations. Reebok was losing so much money on the deal that they got a little funny with the royalties. As part of the settlement, the Reebok money (except Games purse) stopped. THAT is why Greg fired the media team. THAT is why Sanctionals happened. In 2017 or so, Reebok actually proposed a new "Games only" deal through 2025 but Greg said no. CF "worked" because Reebok was spending *a million a month* on marketing. That's NEVER coming back. The whole thing was Reebok. This is on paperwork, no speculation, read the contract sec 8.5 and go check out the exhibits from the lawsuit. Greg was a clueless drunk. When the Reebok money was gone, he had no answers.
JY is right about how the sport drives the community. The pyramid works from top to down and not the opposite. Pierre de Coubertin state it about 100 years ago: "FOR EVERY HUNDRED WHO ENGAGE IN PHYSICAL CULTURE, FIFTY MUST ENGAGE IN SPORTS. FOR EVERY FIFTY WHO ENGAGE IN SPORTS, TWENTY MUST SPECIALIZE. FOR EVERY TWENTY WHO SPECIALIZE, FIVE MUST BE CAPABLE OF ASTONISHING FEATS"
I believe y’all are siding with keeping the sport. So y’all can keep doing what y’all do, on this platform. The way John talks about how better CrossFit is, than orange theory or f45. But then lower CrossFit to there(OT & F45) level. If the sport goes away. There is know way JY believes that. CrossFit has more to offer, than OT or F45. It’s definitely more than just the sport.
OMG!!! Finally some voices of reason. We’re so lost in the doom & gloom these days. I will support CrossFit because it changed my life. But I think we also need CrossFit the sport to inspire to be even greater.
I’m a new listener. My sister has been a fan for awhile and actually met all 3 of you at the 2023 CrossFit Games. She told me that The Barbell Spin is best CrossFit podcast to listen to. I will be honest. Before I listened to your latest podcast and GWTP latest’s podcast, I wanted to boycott the Open as well as encourage others to do so. I cannot even describe how I felt after the tragedy at the games. I was heartbroken to see how it torn the community apart. I was upset with HQ for not accepting any responsibility or apologizing to the community. However, after listening to the Spincast and GWTP, the worst thing I could do is boycott the Open. Yes, I’m mad at HQ, but I love my CrossFit Community more. I don’t want to see the sport die. JY made an excellent point that we all started CrossFit because of the Games (whether it was directly or indirectly). For example, my brother and I started CrossFit, because my sister told us about it. She started CrossFit, because she saw the Games on TV. If the sport dies, it will all go down. I don’t know if I will make a difference or not by being one of the people who do not boycott the games, but for the sake of the CrossFit Community and my love of the sport, I will do it. Thank you for opening my eyes. I enjoy listening to you all. I have to admit that JY was an acquired taste, but he grew on me. Keep up the great work!
When it comes to the open what i think is being missed in this conversation is that individuals are encouraging people not to sign up for the open (right or wrong) not encouraging them not to participate in the community. At my gym most people dont even do all 3 workouts they many times only do 1 or 2 so signing up and paying for a ranking isn't worth it anyways. Members can still come and participate in the commuity without giving extra money to HQ if they don't want to continue contributing extra to the games financially outside of what their affiliate pays. I dont think that takes away from the community and spirit aspect of the open.
My brother literally started CrossFit in 2015 because he saw Froning on youtube doing cool things. Then I did it and my brother and I influenced at least a dozen other people to do it, who influenced others etc. etc.
Why can't 2 feelings exist at once? I hate the way HQ has handled things but i still fucking LOVE CF. My gym is my family and our community is incredible. Shoutout to CrossFit Ocean Grove
It’s crazy to think that if CrossFit didn’t put the games on that the sport would go away! You could have no more games and there’d still be Rogue, WZA, Dubai, A massive European event, a massive event here in Australia, NCC, Crash
Well yeah, there are events and organizers that can stand their own and would have to decide in what capacity they want to continue. But would there still be a sport called Crossfit and people called Crossfit athletes? Rn everything is built around the Games. Rogue is the "all star, athlete showcase " game after the Games, Dubai is the "off season proving grounds" for the upcoming season, WZA is the big party that starts the year. That structure can't exist without a main event. So either one of them would need to become the main event, or it would have to be replaced with something new. Once that happens, "Crossfit athletes“,"Crossfit sport" ceases to exist. It'll be "iF3 functional fitness athlete", "Lil' Willy-boy's project athlete", "Rogue athlete" or whatever. And it might be very similar to a crossfit, but certainly way different.
You guys are ridiculous. Constantly about the community. Why did zero people from cfhq show up to show respect to Lazar/Luka at his funeral? Thats my community, that was there. Not Chase, not anyone that was posting memes 2 days after Lazar dying. They had another chance to say a few nice words, like "we mourn with you", or something, during the Belgrade games, and still.. no. Its obvious people in EU were hit different with it, and instead of mending it, that part community is being ignored and alienated. What community are we talking about? Lazar was an exemplary crossfitter in every sense, and we lost him due to.. low budget? F you. A lot of us LOVE CF as a sport. We just absolutely despise, that it has zero community in it, zero honor. Just profit. No one wants it gone. Not Luka or anyone. We all want it rebuilt.
I guess I don't understand why people are so upset that a for-profit business act in self serving ways to increase its profit. It's a shame that it is this way but the day Greg got forced out this was the only way it was going to go down. I also don't understand the end game of the EU Crossfit community. There is a sentiment that the entire world is supposed to stop bc Lazar died. It's understandable that Luka would have a hard time processing people experiencing any level of joy in his darkest ever moment. But the world goes on and this insistence on vengeful tearing down doesn't help anything or anyone. No one is alienating you, the test of us have moved on, because that's life. You are welcome to wallow in sorrow and despair as long as you need to, but the rest of us don't. Chase is hitting back at the people who, by resisting HQ, pull the rest of the community with it.
If elites leave "CrossFit", not only will fans not follow elites, but they will root against them. It's just like golf and LIV. People were fans of guys like Dustin Johnson or Bryson, but now a lot of people not only don't watch them in LIV, but hope they do bad whenever they're in majors or other events with PGA Tour guys.
I’d say the PFAA statement supporting athletes opting to go to the games was forced directly by those closest to the PFAA stating they still intend to go. I fully expect Vellner and Brandon to be at the Games.
The long form clips that CrossFit are posting now,seems to me, a PR strategy to reaffirm/ reinstate the value of the sport to counteract the impact of the tragedy at the Games. They are aimed at everyone so that the conversation about the sport changes with a secondary result being some new members for affiliates.
Drunk Pedro intro is amazing! Thanks for another fun episode 😊. Tyler hates Thanksgiving apparently and John please, I love hearing your viewpoint on things but PLEASE mute the mic anytime you are eating!
Do you think this idea of community wants Crossfit to be a professional sport or is the idea of “community” too conflicting? Would the community sacrifice any aspects of those beliefs in exchange for a true professional sport?
Is the issue that CrossFit as a Community and sport (= we all love) is often conflated with CF the *company*? IF3, CF, Hyrox etc all can coexist - we just want to challenge ourselves and work out together. 💪🤗
Dear Tyler, wasn't getting rid of media back in the days pruning the CrossFit bonsai tree #MePlayindDevil_sAdvocateJustLikeYou? I have some OG apparel, I like the CULT thing but I think the good ol'CrossFit is a mythical beast. Time only moves forward. There's no getting back to the mythical era... And, to me, that's good. Plus, sometimes, becoming a hero is all about slaying or taming the beast (Or pruning the bonsai tree?) #Devil_sAdvocateAgain... Now, let's keep on eatin' better, movin' better, together - Community, accountability.
What if they had regionals at crossfit gyms, with big facilities. Such as CrossFit crash. So other local gyms can go watch elite athletes, compete in CrossFit gyms.
Tomorrow, if there was zero competition. That would have zero effect on the gym that I coach at. All our members are 30 and over, just trying to be healthier. Half of them haven’t even heard of the games.
You are not understanding what I am saying….the methodology is far more important than the sport…but I think CrossFit would decline a ton without the sport. Sure it might not affect your gym now….but there will be a huge trickle down effect and people will overall be less fit because we are no longer improving just maintaining what we got. It’s fine if you disagree but people who actually want to better themselves will find something else…. Nobody cares about the games at my gym…nobody cares about what I do in podcast land….but I’m building monsters and they want to be better everyday always striving to improve. Even the 70 plus….that would not be the environment if the sport was not here to show us what is possible. That 50 year old soccer moms can do bar muscle ups…instead you’ll be sticking to 25lb db snatches. If that’s what you want then cool. My people want to be the fittest version of themselves possible within their lifestyle….
@ I get what you are saying. However I do not think fitness will decline, from where it is already at. If the sport goes away. I believe fitness will still accelerate, beyond what we think is possible. Just not as fast as if the games were still here. People trying to be the fittest they can. Has nothing to do with the sport, but everything to do with their mentality. If the sport goes away, they are still going to have that mentality to be the fittest they can be.
So you guys constantly acknowledge no one knows about the sport.. but you think lifeblood is the sport? No where in the methodology does it say "we must celebrate and go to the Games."
JY gets so mad about metabolic conditioning being tested heavily in the Open. Put the barbell down, get better, and quit whining about last year. Right above nutrition, metabolic conditioning is near the base of the CrossFit pyramid.
The programming for the open still doesn’t matter (as far as the test goes) We want to be as well-rounded test, sure. I agree 100%. But they’re not testing for the bottom of the 1%, no different than when it was 10% or 25%. The top ~200 athletes worldwide will qualify no matter what the open tests are. All cardio or not It would be way more fun if it were well-rounded and attract more people that can relate to John’s outlook, I agree. (P.s. I also beat John in the QFs so I think that qualifies me to talk about it according to what he said) hahah
Every year I try to get in shape for the open,and every year I get discouraged because as a bigger guy I’m gonna do very poor. But I think I just need to forget about the open and just try to get in shape for a local competition or TFX, something that’s programmed better for someone who isn’t just a cardio bunny 🤷♂️
Tyler where does this concept of the States are much bigger than Europe come frome because it has no footing in reality? - "Europe is slightly larger than the United States, with just over 100,000 more miles. Europe covers 3.93 million square miles of land, which amounts to about 2% of the entire planet and 6.8% of the Earth's total land area. The United States spans about 3.8 million square miles of land."
@Craig-pk5cc ok, but the context of Tyler's statement was travel distance - so mileage of land that has to be covered, had nothing to do with affiliate numbers.
I'm not sure all of Europe is relevant to the topic. IIRC, the European Regionals were in Germany and Spain, so western Europe which is smaller than USA.
@@claytonwall4263 Was Alaska relevant? So minus Alaska And fewer events, fewer options to travel to equals longer distances for many athletes who don't have a competition close by. Take a roadtrip from Oslo, which has many athletes, to Madrid and see how long that takes you.
I hate the people are being Vilified by the way they acted at the games... I watched it happen live on youtube and I was shuck for the whole weekend.. but, i've had terrible loss before.. I literally watched my mom's life drift away in front of my eyes as a 28 year old... Everyone grieves differently.. some people need to be with friends and laugh about things.. some need to be alone with their thoughts.. BUT it's getting old for me.. Like I get it Luka lost his brother... I have a twin and I couldn't imagine how hurt he is... but, just because others don't grieve the same way as him.. they are the bad guys? come on... they all still had to do their jobs over that weekend.
Usually agree with you guys but you’re so far off the mark here you need to step outside your echo chamber and realise majority of the community is not happy
I’d say the PFAA statement supporting athletes opting to go to the games was forced directly by those closest to the PFAA stating they still intend to go. I fully expect Vellner and Brandon to be at the Games.
You guys will still be around if the sport dies. The athletes will just disperse to smaller things like Grid, Hyrox, ect… Tons of fitness to cover still, especially with ever growing sport of strongwomen.
Crossfit the sport to me actually ruined the CrossFit community and pigeon holed it marketing wise. I want my little sister and mother to do CrossFit but they believe you have to look like rich ironing or manly Katrin to do CrossFit so they don't sign up.
True. But that doesn’t mean the programming hasn’t been influenced by Games season. Dumbbells were almost never programmed prior to the 2017 Open. The sport side pushes innovation and progress.
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Everything changed in 2018 because the Reebok money stopped. CF sued Reebok, and the settlement stopped the money. That's why media went away, that's why Greg started saying he "hated the Games". Greg *loved* the Games until Reebok was no longer spending $10M+ / yr on CF. Go back and read the Reebok contract with CF, Section 8.5 to see how much Reebok was contributing. When that money stopped, everything good stopped. The whole friggin thing was Reebok. Go look up the contract.
Good input! What did cf sue reebok for?
@@imperfectstillworthitreebok had two websites, their own main site and then a crossfjt specific site whatever was sold on Reebok’s CrossFit specific site had a higher royalty kick back to CrossFit, so reebok was caught not restocking inventory on their CrossFit site but instead would only restock their main site where the royalty for CrossFit was less
Not entirely accurate. Greg was NEVER about the money. He hated that the games started to overshadow the affiliates
@@imperfectstillworthit A dispute over royalty calculations. Reebok was losing so much money on the deal that they got a little funny with the royalties. As part of the settlement, the Reebok money (except Games purse) stopped. THAT is why Greg fired the media team. THAT is why Sanctionals happened. In 2017 or so, Reebok actually proposed a new "Games only" deal through 2025 but Greg said no.
CF "worked" because Reebok was spending *a million a month* on marketing. That's NEVER coming back. The whole thing was Reebok. This is on paperwork, no speculation, read the contract sec 8.5 and go check out the exhibits from the lawsuit.
Greg was a clueless drunk. When the Reebok money was gone, he had no answers.
JY is right about how the sport drives the community. The pyramid works from top to down and not the opposite.
Pierre de Coubertin state it about 100 years ago: "FOR EVERY HUNDRED WHO ENGAGE IN PHYSICAL CULTURE, FIFTY MUST ENGAGE IN SPORTS. FOR EVERY FIFTY WHO ENGAGE IN SPORTS, TWENTY MUST SPECIALIZE. FOR EVERY TWENTY WHO SPECIALIZE, FIVE MUST BE CAPABLE OF ASTONISHING FEATS"
Sounds like the pyramid works from bottom up in your example; no 5 if theres no 100.
Everybody has it backwards. CrossFit doesn't need the Games. It needs the Open.
John is so so right about how people need to see what is possible.
I believe y’all are siding with keeping the sport. So y’all can keep doing what y’all do, on this platform. The way John talks about how better CrossFit is, than orange theory or f45. But then lower CrossFit to there(OT & F45) level. If the sport goes away. There is know way JY believes that. CrossFit has more to offer, than OT or F45. It’s definitely more than just the sport.
If we did 5 push ups every time spin said “aaaahhhhh” we would be able to bench as much as John! 😂😂😂
OMG!!! Finally some voices of reason. We’re so lost in the doom & gloom these days. I will support CrossFit because it changed my life. But I think we also need CrossFit the sport to inspire to be even greater.
20:11 trickle down fitonomics…coined here first. Preach JY barbell!
I’m a new listener. My sister has been a fan for awhile and actually met all 3 of you at the 2023 CrossFit Games. She told me that The Barbell Spin is best CrossFit podcast to listen to.
I will be honest. Before I listened to your latest podcast and GWTP latest’s podcast, I wanted to boycott the Open as well as encourage others to do so. I cannot even describe how I felt after the tragedy at the games. I was heartbroken to see how it torn the community apart. I was upset with HQ for not accepting any responsibility or apologizing to the community. However, after listening to the Spincast and GWTP, the worst thing I could do is boycott the Open. Yes, I’m mad at HQ, but I love my CrossFit Community more. I don’t want to see the sport die. JY made an excellent point that we all started CrossFit because of the Games (whether it was directly or indirectly). For example, my brother and I started CrossFit, because my sister told us about it. She started CrossFit, because she saw the Games on TV. If the sport dies, it will all go down.
I don’t know if I will make a difference or not by being one of the people who do not boycott the games, but for the sake of the CrossFit Community and my love of the sport, I will do it. Thank you for opening my eyes. I enjoy listening to you all. I have to admit that JY was an acquired taste, but he grew on me. Keep up the great work!
This is awesome! Signing up for the Open definitely makes a difference.
When it comes to the open what i think is being missed in this conversation is that individuals are encouraging people not to sign up for the open (right or wrong) not encouraging them not to participate in the community. At my gym most people dont even do all 3 workouts they many times only do 1 or 2 so signing up and paying for a ranking isn't worth it anyways. Members can still come and participate in the commuity without giving extra money to HQ if they don't want to continue contributing extra to the games financially outside of what their affiliate pays. I dont think that takes away from the community and spirit aspect of the open.
My brother literally started CrossFit in 2015 because he saw Froning on youtube doing cool things. Then I did it and my brother and I influenced at least a dozen other people to do it, who influenced others etc. etc.
Why can't 2 feelings exist at once? I hate the way HQ has handled things but i still fucking LOVE CF. My gym is my family and our community is incredible. Shoutout to CrossFit Ocean Grove
This blind rankings was my favorite. Laughed so hard
Did they get the rankings right?
The rankings were totally wrong. Obviously these boys are unAmerican, hate Thanksgiving and probably hate freedom. @@thebarbellspin
It’s crazy to think that if CrossFit didn’t put the games on that the sport would go away! You could have no more games and there’d still be Rogue, WZA, Dubai, A massive European event, a massive event here in Australia, NCC, Crash
Well yeah, there are events and organizers that can stand their own and would have to decide in what capacity they want to continue.
But would there still be a sport called Crossfit and people called Crossfit athletes? Rn everything is built around the Games. Rogue is the "all star, athlete showcase " game after the Games, Dubai is the "off season proving grounds" for the upcoming season, WZA is the big party that starts the year.
That structure can't exist without a main event. So either one of them would need to become the main event, or it would have to be replaced with something new. Once that happens, "Crossfit athletes“,"Crossfit sport" ceases to exist. It'll be "iF3 functional fitness athlete", "Lil' Willy-boy's project athlete", "Rogue athlete" or whatever. And it might be very similar to a crossfit, but certainly way different.
You wouldn’t be a CrossFiter you would be a functional fitness athlete.
@ semantics - so Rogue is a functional fitness competition as soon as the games doesn’t happen? Incorrect.
@ it is now because they don’t pay HQ the fee for the CF branding .
@ so Dana Paran who didn’t make the crossfit games but did go to Rogue. So she is a functional fitness athlete now? Not a CrossFitter?
You guys are ridiculous.
Constantly about the community.
Why did zero people from cfhq show up to show respect to Lazar/Luka at his funeral?
Thats my community, that was there. Not Chase, not anyone that was posting memes 2 days after Lazar dying.
They had another chance to say a few nice words, like "we mourn with you", or something, during the Belgrade games, and still.. no. Its obvious people in EU were hit different with it, and instead of mending it, that part community is being ignored and alienated.
What community are we talking about? Lazar was an exemplary crossfitter in every sense, and we lost him due to.. low budget? F you.
A lot of us LOVE CF as a sport. We just absolutely despise, that it has zero community in it, zero honor. Just profit. No one wants it gone. Not Luka or anyone. We all want it rebuilt.
You think CFHQ should have shown up uninvited to a funeral?
@benhutchinson9808 my friend, you don't invite people to a funeral. You just show up.
You would show up to a funeral that you may not be welcome at@@xystericalnh3182?
I guess I don't understand why people are so upset that a for-profit business act in self serving ways to increase its profit. It's a shame that it is this way but the day Greg got forced out this was the only way it was going to go down.
I also don't understand the end game of the EU Crossfit community. There is a sentiment that the entire world is supposed to stop bc Lazar died. It's understandable that Luka would have a hard time processing people experiencing any level of joy in his darkest ever moment. But the world goes on and this insistence on vengeful tearing down doesn't help anything or anyone.
No one is alienating you, the test of us have moved on, because that's life. You are welcome to wallow in sorrow and despair as long as you need to, but the rest of us don't.
Chase is hitting back at the people who, by resisting HQ, pull the rest of the community with it.
Safety costs money. The money has to come from somewhere. So boycotting the Open, for example, won't help anyone
Haha! I love that used the McAfee intro disclaimer - well played Spin, well played.
John at around 20mins … very very true… I agree with you 100% and I know his gym members and the gym members I have now.
If elites leave "CrossFit", not only will fans not follow elites, but they will root against them. It's just like golf and LIV. People were fans of guys like Dustin Johnson or Bryson, but now a lot of people not only don't watch them in LIV, but hope they do bad whenever they're in majors or other events with PGA Tour guys.
20:35 the most beautyfull example of a trippledown-effect 💜
Shunning people who stand up when they’ve experienced wrongdoing, this is fucking scary
you're new to cults, huh?
@ it’s absolutely insane.
I’d say the PFAA statement supporting athletes opting to go to the games was forced directly by those closest to the PFAA stating they still intend to go. I fully expect Vellner and Brandon to be at the Games.
My favorite part of this show was the nice JY asmr right into the mic….
The long form clips that CrossFit are posting now,seems to me, a PR strategy to reaffirm/ reinstate the value of the sport to counteract the impact of the tragedy at the Games. They are aimed at everyone so that the conversation about the sport changes with a secondary result being some new members for affiliates.
Drunk Pedro intro is amazing! Thanks for another fun episode 😊. Tyler hates Thanksgiving apparently and John please, I love hearing your viewpoint on things but PLEASE mute the mic anytime you are eating!
Do you think this idea of community wants Crossfit to be a professional sport or is the idea of “community” too conflicting? Would the community sacrifice any aspects of those beliefs in exchange for a true professional sport?
Is the issue that CrossFit as a Community and sport (= we all love) is often conflated with CF the *company*? IF3, CF, Hyrox etc all can coexist - we just want to challenge ourselves and work out together. 💪🤗
Dear Tyler, wasn't getting rid of media back in the days pruning the CrossFit bonsai tree #MePlayindDevil_sAdvocateJustLikeYou? I have some OG apparel, I like the CULT thing but I think the good ol'CrossFit is a mythical beast. Time only moves forward. There's no getting back to the mythical era... And, to me, that's good. Plus, sometimes, becoming a hero is all about slaying or taming the beast (Or pruning the bonsai tree?) #Devil_sAdvocateAgain... Now, let's keep on eatin' better, movin' better, together - Community, accountability.
What if they had regionals at crossfit gyms, with big facilities. Such as CrossFit crash. So other local gyms can go watch elite athletes, compete in CrossFit gyms.
Tomorrow, if there was zero competition. That would have zero effect on the gym that I coach at. All our members are 30 and over, just trying to be healthier. Half of them haven’t even heard of the games.
You are not understanding what I am saying….the methodology is far more important than the sport…but I think CrossFit would decline a ton without the sport. Sure it might not affect your gym now….but there will be a huge trickle down effect and people will overall be less fit because we are no longer improving just maintaining what we got. It’s fine if you disagree but people who actually want to better themselves will find something else….
Nobody cares about the games at my gym…nobody cares about what I do in podcast land….but I’m building monsters and they want to be better everyday always striving to improve. Even the 70 plus….that would not be the environment if the sport was not here to show us what is possible. That 50 year old soccer moms can do bar muscle ups…instead you’ll be sticking to 25lb db snatches. If that’s what you want then cool. My people want to be the fittest version of themselves possible within their lifestyle….
@ I get what you are saying. However I do not think fitness will decline, from where it is already at. If the sport goes away. I believe fitness will still accelerate, beyond what we think is possible. Just not as fast as if the games were still here. People trying to be the fittest they can. Has nothing to do with the sport, but everything to do with their mentality. If the sport goes away, they are still going to have that mentality to be the fittest they can be.
Terry Carey is older than Patti McGill and can legless rope climbs
Who is David?
So you guys constantly acknowledge no one knows about the sport.. but you think lifeblood is the sport? No where in the methodology does it say "we must celebrate and go to the Games."
I also found CF due to the Games !!
JY gets so mad about metabolic conditioning being tested heavily in the Open. Put the barbell down, get better, and quit whining about last year. Right above nutrition, metabolic conditioning is near the base of the CrossFit pyramid.
The programming for the open still doesn’t matter (as far as the test goes)
We want to be as well-rounded test, sure. I agree 100%. But they’re not testing for the bottom of the 1%, no different than when it was 10% or 25%. The top ~200 athletes worldwide will qualify no matter what the open tests are. All cardio or not
It would be way more fun if it were well-rounded and attract more people that can relate to John’s outlook, I agree.
(P.s. I also beat John in the QFs so I think that qualifies me to talk about it according to what he said) hahah
Which is why you agree 😅
@And we both still sign up to try to qualify for the next stage, this year will be no different
Every year I try to get in shape for the open,and every year I get discouraged because as a bigger guy I’m gonna do very poor. But I think I just need to forget about the open and just try to get in shape for a local competition or TFX, something that’s programmed better for someone who isn’t just a cardio bunny 🤷♂️
Tyler where does this concept of the States are much bigger than Europe come frome because it has no footing in reality? - "Europe is slightly larger than the United States, with just over 100,000 more miles. Europe covers 3.93 million square miles of land, which amounts to about 2% of the entire planet and 6.8% of the Earth's total land area. The United States spans about 3.8 million square miles of land."
The states have a larger concentration of affiliates compared to all of Europe.
@Craig-pk5cc ok, but the context of Tyler's statement was travel distance - so mileage of land that has to be covered, had nothing to do with affiliate numbers.
I'm not sure all of Europe is relevant to the topic. IIRC, the European Regionals were in Germany and Spain, so western Europe which is smaller than USA.
@@claytonwall4263 Was Alaska relevant? So minus Alaska
And fewer events, fewer options to travel to equals longer distances for many athletes who don't have a competition close by.
Take a roadtrip from Oslo, which has many athletes, to Madrid and see how long that takes you.
@@asterserv Yeah, that's a long way. Almost 200 miles more than Dallas, TX to Aromas, CA.
Can someone tell this Aussie what you guys eat for Xmas when you've already eaten the Xmas food for Thanksgiving?
I hate the people are being Vilified by the way they acted at the games... I watched it happen live on youtube and I was shuck for the whole weekend.. but, i've had terrible loss before.. I literally watched my mom's life drift away in front of my eyes as a 28 year old... Everyone grieves differently.. some people need to be with friends and laugh about things.. some need to be alone with their thoughts.. BUT it's getting old for me.. Like I get it Luka lost his brother... I have a twin and I couldn't imagine how hurt he is... but, just because others don't grieve the same way as him.. they are the bad guys? come on... they all still had to do their jobs over that weekend.
There’s fiddeence between being with friends and laughing, and planning and going to an after party to celebrate that horrific games
John contradicts himself
Never…
There’s some people in these comments that will never be happy with anything.
Usually agree with you guys but you’re so far off the mark here you need to step outside your echo chamber and realise majority of the community is not happy
completely lost the plot
Sorry I’m happy and a lot of the people are training with are happy and are hoping the sport grows
I’d say the PFAA statement supporting athletes opting to go to the games was forced directly by those closest to the PFAA stating they still intend to go. I fully expect Vellner and Brandon to be at the Games.
You guys will still be around if the sport dies. The athletes will just disperse to smaller things like Grid, Hyrox, ect…
Tons of fitness to cover still, especially with ever growing sport of strongwomen.
Crossfit the sport to me actually ruined the CrossFit community and pigeon holed it marketing wise. I want my little sister and mother to do CrossFit but they believe you have to look like rich ironing or manly Katrin to do CrossFit so they don't sign up.
Creamed corn wtf
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Luka is still in mourning and too emotional (as he should) and will drag his brother’s nown and crossfire legacy down
Of the 60 members of our gym, over 50 could not name a Games athlete
True. But that doesn’t mean the programming hasn’t been influenced by Games season. Dumbbells were almost never programmed prior to the 2017 Open. The sport side pushes innovation and progress.
@@thebarbellspinI agree with that