How to Align an EK43 Grinder

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2016
  • You won't believe this one simple trick for luscious espressos!
    All you need is aluminium foil, whiteboard marker, allen keys, a screwdriver, and less than an hour of time.
    Your coffees will be much sweeter, riper, and richer.
    If you were struggling to get longer shot times, this should help a lot!
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  • @TommyBoy7Heads
    @TommyBoy7Heads 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Pro tip: Shims should be placed at the screw locations, not in between. If you need to raise an area that is in between two screws, you want to shim both adjacent screws. Believe it or not, by shimming between screws, you're flexing the burr when you tighten it. Source: I do a lot of precision machinist work.

    • @Girbasova
      @Girbasova 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      At last someone said that.

    • @IsaacOLEG
      @IsaacOLEG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      absolutely, and be cautious of the hole, do it with a tool if possible, to cut a round aperture in the foil. When putting the bolts back, a good trick is always to turn counter clockwise with the screwdriver, until you feel the tick that teels you you are at the entry of the thread

    • @slofty
      @slofty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This should be pinned!

    • @oksako7932
      @oksako7932 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Would you always want to put two shims near the screw, one to the left and one to the right of the screw, if you needed to raise the location around the screw?
      And what if you want to raise the area between two screws, as in the video, would you then want to use four shims in total (two for each screw placed to the left and right of each), or would it be OK to use two shims placed at the two screws on the side to raise?

  • @Rock-Steady1888
    @Rock-Steady1888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video, thanks so much for explaining this in a simple to follow manner 👍

  • @MartinCairns
    @MartinCairns 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great guide, I aligned my EK43 earlier today. It's amazing how much 6 bits of foil can make, grinds look more a more consistent size and even the sound of grinding as changed completely. Next up is to dial in a Kenyan filter coffee which has a bitter/roasty note masking some nice fruity flavours on 60g/l.

  • @yew108
    @yew108 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this helpful video ! Might get a used EK43.

  • @jimdavis8804
    @jimdavis8804 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid. Lots of work.

  • @imperatorming9869
    @imperatorming9869 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Legend! Thank you for this

  • @christianyodhie8387
    @christianyodhie8387 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thank you!

  • @marcuskallison
    @marcuskallison 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. Thanks.

  • @mprz8188
    @mprz8188 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a laser engineer, used to do some serious alignment on precision gear, I'm not a huge fan of this kind of grinders because of the alignment.

  • @holdtheonionsplease
    @holdtheonionsplease 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did this on my ceado. It works pretty good. Needed to shim both burrs and it seems a little better, but not hugely on mine, but can't really know until you do it. No reason not to do it really.

  • @IsaacOLEG
    @IsaacOLEG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perfect explanations . Just did that on a MDF Gaggia (where the threaded mobile part does not help parallelism) visible results, audible results , thanks ;) IS it in a maintenance center it was filmed ?

  • @romimuha
    @romimuha 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So we adjust the stationary burr against moving burr that's not yet adjusted/balanced?

  • @matt27design
    @matt27design 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just ordered our first EK43, I assume this is something you should do as soon as you get started?

  • @peterrineer8702
    @peterrineer8702 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the same one you used in the 2013 WBC??

  • @kelvinglynn2246
    @kelvinglynn2246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question I clean the machine after assembling the grinder but it never came up

  • @tndkhoa90
    @tndkhoa90 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should we treat the others grinders with same respect? My Anfims also need to be aligned in order to perform better. :) nice vid Matt, thanks a lot

  • @michelemattetti3089
    @michelemattetti3089 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No need to place a little amount of glue on the foil to keep it firm?

  • @rockylimbunan170991
    @rockylimbunan170991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it help with slower extraction of espresso as my ek 43 already make chirping sounds but the grind results still very coarse? Or shall i change my burrs to turkish one?

  • @awsomenesscaleb
    @awsomenesscaleb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How important is it to have excellent alignment when you're only making pour over?

    • @MrMarki134
      @MrMarki134 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      For pourover not that much. Tho it will improve it

  • @fullsend8738
    @fullsend8738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a G

  • @Latte5866
    @Latte5866 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is there a limit of how many layers of shim we can add ?
    I did this on compak k6. first on the non-moving burr and then moved on to the moving burr. it finally rubs the marker off evenly.
    it took me 14 layers and 9 layers of aluminium foil on non-moving and moving burr respectively to align. this grinder was a second hand and its alignment was really bad at first.

  • @helipilotwannab
    @helipilotwannab 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been leant an Atom 65 (currently using a J-max) by a friend and thought it would be great to check the alignment of the burrs to make sure all is running well before I begin. His was used in his coffee shop but burrs seem in good shape. Performing the marker test everything seems even all around, but the flats aren't completely cleaned of marker. The inner point remains and only the outer edge is rubbed away. On both top and bottom burrs. So I'm not really sure if that's normal or where to go from here haha. Any advice from anyone?

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you are getting the burrs rubbing along all of their external circumference, you've gone as far as you can. The 'flats' may not be completely flat - either by design, or through their machining.

  • @matt27design
    @matt27design 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it necassary to align the burrs if you're just using the EK for filter? (Assuming they aren't way off) Or do you only need this level of precision for espresso?

    • @brycewhitaker7257
      @brycewhitaker7257 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matthew Clark same applies for filter coffee as you want to get the most even extraction from the coffee as possible, if your burrs aren't aligned then you can't achieve it

  • @philipv3098
    @philipv3098 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great video, my lazy alignment would be just to let it run for sometime with touching burs so it evens out on its own ;)...well i fear that would not really be a pros choice tough...

    • @IsaacOLEG
      @IsaacOLEG 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The surfaces need to be polished so the grain flow well, I did as you sya because I was obliged to have thin enough grain, and the burrs did get huge streaks on their perimeter.
      ANd it did not work really well

  • @platonicdreamer
    @platonicdreamer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    this should have been sorted out at the factory and not messing around with some pen and foil....

    • @AlabamaTree
      @AlabamaTree 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For the price you would expect perfection from the factory.

    • @IsaacOLEG
      @IsaacOLEG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AlabamaTree Any mechanical apparatus may need some adjustment in time. I guess a new model will be perfectly fitted.or anyway within tolerances.
      What I understand is that having an even spacing all around does a lot for grain size eveness, and that on any grinder. I did a similar job, with the same logical that I find by myself, on a 1980 Gaggia MDF, and it does a very different job and noise now

    • @pannawatphijarnwanit6306
      @pannawatphijarnwanit6306 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IsaacOLEG still alignment problem with the new EK47s...

    • @Ananasulm
      @Ananasulm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah if the alignment miss so much, one could not image that a good distribution would be achieved finally. All other mechanics would be just wasted.

  • @crazybiscut
    @crazybiscut 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question, how does scratching the shearplare make it snug not more looser? shearplare

    • @crazybiscut
      @crazybiscut 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +crazybiscut sorry for the typo on my mobile

    • @Kyle900t
      @Kyle900t 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Scratching will create an uneven surface on the shearplate which will "catch" the sides on the slot of the burr carrier. Should make for a tighter fit.

    • @pannawatphijarnwanit6306
      @pannawatphijarnwanit6306 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      when you making a cut on the metal, some part of the metal gets scratched off but it makes some of the part pops up.

  • @Kyle900t
    @Kyle900t 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Is it necessary to also do the moving burr? If you've correctly aligned the stationary burr, wouldn't that mean the burrs are parallel with eachother so starting to shim the moving burr would change the alignement you've worked hard to create in th first place?
    Thanks for the tutorial in any case and also the vidoe showing how different alignments sound!

    • @drbenchia
      @drbenchia 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      KP cadnzfin I have same question. Thanks for the video

    • @awsomenesscaleb
      @awsomenesscaleb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yes, it's necessary to align both burrs. When both burrs are misaligned, the lowest point of the top (rotating) burr makes contact with the highest point of the bottom burr and rubs off the marker. Aligning the bottom burr will make it so that the lowest point of the top burr makes contact with the entire bottom burr. This will cause the marker to rub off evenly on the bottom burr, but only the part of the top burr closest to the bottom burr (the lowest point) will do this rubbing. The goal is to make the entire top burr rub against the entire bottom burr, so that's what is done when aligning the top burr after aligning the bottom burr.

    • @Terranova911RS
      @Terranova911RS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You cannot align the moving Burr, this is nonsense.

    • @awsomenesscaleb
      @awsomenesscaleb 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Frank Terranova Of course you can. What makes you think that?

    • @awsomenesscaleb
      @awsomenesscaleb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Frank Terranova Of course you can. What makes you think that?

  • @nagualemituje
    @nagualemituje 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, thank you, have you ever tried to align commercial espresso grinder like fiorenzato F83?

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The EK43 IS a commercial espresso grinder...

    • @nagualemituje
      @nagualemituje 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dlevi67 and you making this remark becouse? You do not have a clue :)

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nagualemituje Neither do you (have a clue). I made this comment because the Fiorenzato F83 is effectively a Mazzer Major (mechanically); it is neither more nor less of a commercial grinder than the AK43, so I really don't understand your initial question. Do you want to try again?

    • @nagualemituje
      @nagualemituje ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dlevi67 no need, the previous statement retains as much value as did before.

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nagualemituje I.e. nothing, as it doesn't make any sense. You don't even know what a clue is.

  • @oliversviszt5395
    @oliversviszt5395 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is a shame that even such an expensive grinder has no better solution for calibration. They could have foreseen some counter screws so that no shims have to be used, or at least provided some shims of different thickness with the machine, that would fit in some small pockets so calibration is not so DIY...

    • @slofty
      @slofty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be much more costly to produce precision equipment like that though. Worked for an supplier that did parts for major vehicle manufacturers/brands. More precise tolerance demand = more tooling + more machines, more hands-on work, more QC, more rejects= big bucks. That's why Corvettes cost more.

  • @handlewithcare777
    @handlewithcare777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine getting a 3-4K grinder and it didn’t come with perfect alignment. Ek43 is a good grinder produced by lazy manufacturer, they didn’t even have faith in this model and almost discontinue it in 2013, luckily it shines in the world Batista competition before they done it

  • @salt7825
    @salt7825 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    gg

  • @wearashirt
    @wearashirt 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Right, put the shims on the non-moving burr...thanks Matt.

  • @pauldarnell799
    @pauldarnell799 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Skip to 4:27 for a secret message from Matt :)

  • @uffa00001
    @uffa00001 ปีที่แล้ว

    I frankly don't understand the need to align the second burr. What we look for is parallelism between the two burrs. We find the "perfect" position in which one burr is parallel to the other. If parallelism is the problem, then there is only one adjustment to be made, because if burr A is parallel to burr B, then burr B is parallel to burr A. If, on the other hand, one of the two burrs is irregularly consumed, i.e. the teeth do not lie on the same horizontal plane, then that is another problem, and that should probably be solved by replacing the burr set.

  • @andregems2339
    @andregems2339 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ga

  • @sriwahyanibudianingsih1534
    @sriwahyanibudianingsih1534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn I don't understand anything of this video. Why do I have to do some shit to a world class grinder. Please help me, I really I am really new to coffee.

  • @Fluterra
    @Fluterra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    or you can buy a Weber!

  • @Choon_murasaki
    @Choon_murasaki ปีที่แล้ว

    dont do that anymore

  • @Terranova911RS
    @Terranova911RS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You cannot align the moving Burr.

    • @osohq9976
      @osohq9976 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      why not?

    • @ginee7624
      @ginee7624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fixed Burr is adjusted. Why do it again on moving Burr? Or we should play with moving Burr only. Do I get it right?

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ginee7624 The adjustment of the fixed burr only gives you a setting where the highest point of the moving burr is in contact with all points of the fixed burr. Then you need to bring _the rest_ of the moving burr in the same plane.
      And @Frank Durra - of course you can (usually) align the moving burr. You can get it moving in a plane that is parallel to that of the stationary burr no matter the amount of mount run-out - the issue is that doing so will also move its axis, so you may end up with more (or less!) axial misalignment than before.