I really like the description of Ti and Fi being more "creative" than Te and Fe. Also, as a Ti user (INFJ), the whole pyramid explanation was spot on. I need to understand every step from the bottom to the top, I really have a hard time with just following set steps without understanding why or how come I should do them. I always want extra information, more background details, answers to "what happens if I do that instead" etc etc. Lol.
god, so true. Ti developing with Ni-Fe, is just so overwhelming! I'm used to be okay with just knowing the answer but Ti, it's just so labor-intensive haha
I have Te as a second function and i do the same. I really like following instructions, but i need to fully understand them and why i do it the way i do things and if there's maybe an easier way to get where i want. I'm never okay with just having the solution, i need to understand every little detail in depth.
The best and quickest way to determine between Ti and Te is answering the question, "does the end justifes the means?". A Te would answer absolutely yes, end of discussion; and a Ti would most likely say "it depends" and then get philosophical and and even moralistic and proceed to give a speech on different scenarios on which either could apply. LOL.
Also, Te always asks: why do I need it, how can I use it. So we don't really need to know, how things work. We only need to know, how to get what we want(Fi). But since Ti-Fe are not aware of their preferences, and its strengths, they can't do it this way. Therefore they have to try to understand the whole concept. This has interesting side-effects. Te users understand, how other people think, and can tell other people intentions based on their actions. Ti cannot do that. They presume, that everybody has the same intentions, as they would. Fe users understand, how other people feel, depending on whether their Ti was validated or scrutinized. Fi cannot do that. They presume, that everybody has the same feelings, as they would in the same situation.
@@chasingtheunknown3763 For whatever task, that I am doing, I know, which outcome I would prefer. If I have to learn something, my mind creates a reason for it. I think, that this makes it easier to learn something without understanding it. Because I know why I need it (Fi). And then I learn steps to get it. But, of course, a complete understanding is better.
@@jankom.7783 Is that automatic? I've thought of having an objective but that's after getting too overwhelmed and getting lost with what I'm learning. I don't know when to stop and if something is already useless. lol. What if you encounter something interesting and seemingly important along the way, what do you do with it? How do you decide what's important?
@@chasingtheunknown3763 There is always a reason. I might not be conciously aware of it, but there is a reason, why I am learning it, or find it interesting. I am interested in Jungian typology, because it explains human behavior. And that is very helpful. It gives me more insights into how people think, their intentions(Te). I think, that we all use all deciding cognitive functions. So I can use Ti. But it is only to join my different parts of Te facts together. When I speak to someone, I am focusing on what they want (Fi), which facts they know (Te). I am interested in their understanding of things (Ti) only as far as it is useful to any of our intentions (Fi). But I don't keep track of it. I correct them, when they are wrong, so that we think the same (Te enforces standardisation of knowledge).
As an INTP, I can confirm the Ti stuff. Honestly, i don't know how people can be adequate at doing something without finding patterns, and knowing how it all works together. It seems like a nice skill, and probably saves a lot of time in many cases. But for me, once I take the time to learn how everything works together, I can figure out any future issues, create shortcuts/more efficient ways to go about completing a task, and all of the other nice perks that come with understanding the nuances. Unfortunately, that is hardly necessary in most cases haha
@@chasingtheunknown3763 lol I wouldn't have the slightest idea on where to start with that. Generally speaking, being aware of/making accommodations for my weaknesses beforehand is really helpful for me. Like if you know it takes you a while to become competent at something, then go ahead and set aside that extra time beforehand to accommodate for that weakness. I know that once I pass that hurdle, my strength of mastery will show and make everything else pretty simple. Truly knowing yourself is one of the most underrated and powerful things a person could ever do, at least in my opinion
Chasing theUnknown and Suu96, I’m an INTP as well. It’s a combination of our functional stack, TiNeSiFe, that gives us this ability. Pattern recognition and discrepancy finding happens with me all of the time. I think this works because Ne is sandwiched in between Ti and Si. Ti provides the logic checking. Si provides past inputs to look at, nicely categorized. Ne provides the wide experimentation and looking at things from multiple angles. Because Fe and polar Fi are so far out of this loop, we can ignore feelings, unless that is one of the logical inputs (messy feelings). I will spend enormous lengths of time automating something, to save even a tiny bit of time in the future. The journey to do that is fun, and over time, it will free up time to do “more important” things, which could be thinking, problem-solving, or things we are passionate about (yes, INTPs have personal things that they are highly passionate about - it takes passion, a logical reason, last minute adrenaline rush, or procrastinating something else to actually accomplish something in the physical world, ugh). I do not think this can be taught. However, if we all keep working and developing well with the functions we have, we can approximate the cognitive functions that we don’t have, except for either our polar inferior function, or maybe our polar Feeling function in general. For me, Fi is both: I sometimes don’t know what I feel and dislike feeling questions that deal with likes or did I have a good time. When Ne views things from so many angles, the good, the bad, it is non-trivial and slightly untruthful to assign one feeling or overarching summation. I used to love being an INTP, but I now hate it much of the time, feeling trapped and alone. We all need friends and loved ones. Connecting with people on the deep level that I want is nearly impossible. It seems like I’m from a different planet trying to fit in and learn this feeling stuff. I guess that’s why we need to rely on each other: to fill-in what we are lacking. But how? My advice? Be an awesome INFJ. You are far better at the whole people thing than I may ever be. Make child-like art: it is supposed to be good for INFJs. I love INFJs, even if I can’t fully figure them out, and they don’t love me. I personally wish I was more like an ENFP. I guess it is best to not focus too much on the drawbacks of a given MBTI type: it makes life worse.
All throughout school, I thought I was "slow learner" because I took my time to learn from the "ground up" but now you help me realize that it's simply my Ti working! I'm glad ro know that I'm not the only one who approaches learning this way.
Me too! I thought I was so slow, but as I've gotten older I've come to realize that the people who "learn" faster than me don't have knowledge that's as deep as mine.
This is very interesting, I for example am an INFJ and all throughout my academic education I’ve always panicked whenever I don’t understand a concept 100% (Ti), be it for an exam or for a project that needed to be delivered. I hate writing half assed explanations. I always need to feel like I understand each step, and if I don’t I usually rely on youtube to find a video that explains it in a very concise way and only then my stress levels go down lol
In exams, I care more about results than actually learning in depth unless it's a subject I'm passionate about. Throughout my education in maths, I applied formula to get passing grades and after getting grades it's over for me. I guess this video validated that I use Te over Ti.
I used to work as sales, selling a lot of surveillance/security System like cctv, alarm, fingerprint and I always need to know how all these things is work or connected each other. It's frustrating me bcs on training days they only give a boring explanation without practical stuff how to operate it, I panicked a lot bcs I barely know these electronical stuff and I have to sell it to ppl too. So I learning by doing, or watching yt tutorial and it calms me a bit
As an INTP I've learned many skills and tasks on my own, but mostly beginning with instructions, which IMO is only logical and part of the research process. A perfect example is learning something via a YT video. You have to start out with didactic instruction to familiarize yourself with the item or process. Ultimately you'll figure out shortcuts or better ways of doing it. But to start out blindly with something that has a zillion parts or steps and think you're going to figure it out on your own is silly. I've tried that with software thinking that I was intuitive enough to figure it out, only to find out later that the instructions provided a better method.
@@edomoeli1347 I only ever did that once and I started at 9PM--but didn't finish until 3AM. Most of the time I use a psychological trick that somehow works--I set deadlines ahead of the actual one, knowing I'll go down to the wire. Anyway, how did it go?
Ti user here - I do start out with instructions/procedures. Then I ditch them as soon as I understand the patterns and trust my knowledge enough to adjust. Sometimes I ditch them too early, which results in lower marks in school for things I deem overly particular.
Each step in Te land is more seperate and attached on each side to either the step before it and after it, while in Ti land there is no beginning or end, but rather a more hollistic system. The hollistic system (Ti) understanding is slower to aquire , but once the information is put together, very flexible and deep. Te is better and faster for default options and Ti is better when you need customised results slower. It's exactly the same for Fe and Fi. Fe is a "general understanding" and Fi is a "customised understanding"
Wait this is actually so true! For a while my boyfriend (INFP) and I (ENTP) were having the same types of arguments over and over. After most recent spat, I realized that it was Te/Ti conflict. He kept assuming we were on the "same page" with what he thought was the most obvious and efficient way to do something, and I kept getting offended because of my level of awareness of the subjectivity of logic and frameworks. I would get so mad and offended, and he couldn't understand why. After some talk about it we both understood that we were logically coming from two different places (Te/Ti) and it felt like a revelation. He's not as fluent in typology so I'm pretty excited to share this info with him lol.
Really thought I was a Te user before this video but just realized that I'm hardcore Ti. I even remember in algebra how my classmates were just breezing through the new concepts every day but if I were to learn something let's say in programming for example, even if I was told this would work I always need 100% clarification as to why and needed to test it out to see for myself or else I would just be stressed because I would worry that I didn't retain a satisfactory amount of information. It does kind of suck how as a result of this, I progress very slowly and it's not because I'm incapable but that Ti can be very stubborn until it knows everything about this one thing.
Late reply but I completely relate. A while back in my grade 12 math class, I didn’t do all that hot because we just blew through all the units (and maybe I didn’t do the homework:)) and I didn’t have all the pieces. My teacher would tell us to use the log button on the calculator, never explained why, just told us it worked, and it made me so frustrated. I ended up taking the class again, my first test mark went up 30%. My teacher was baffled but I just needed to take it all in with more time
@@goosesatan also late reply but i relate too, i always need time to process what i've learned and understand it on my own. like whenever i get a definition of something, or an instruction, i sort of deconstruct it to analyse all the aspects and figure it out using my own logic
When I was the best in my 11 and 12th grade in math -> ( but my whole life i was only good in math and science... languages too but only at the beginning... later when you have to Analyse the meaning behind sth i got only a -> a 4 or 5 -> im from germany 1 is the best mark...) Off All my "friends" ( i remember my whole life in the middle school i do this apprenticeship after school and then I have my liberation... in the 9th 10th grade i got friends.. -> and then in the 11th there were some of people of the other class in my old school -> but now they were in my class -> at first i was still independent and I knowed that I do this 11 and 12 year and then I do this apprenticeship from which I already knowed. But later I become friends with them and forget about my own Identity and didnt played no longer ps3.) And in class i Was the best in class and i didnt Took in seriously because i knowed from this one apprenticeship where my end/ legacy is. Infp? Intp? Entp? Entj? Intj? Infj? Isfp? Istj? Isfj? Enfp? I think personally -> infp infj intj. -> can someone who is infp -> inferior te -> thats why he is better in math as an dominant ti User? When i remember I also learned also 1 day before the exam and wrote the best exam. But I was also careless and now I see that when I am careless and absentminded I am better when I take everything seriously... I Took this 11 and 12 grade ( and then again the 12 grade because i jumped from fhr to Ahr... -> you have to do this 12 class again -> but before my 13 class I decided to do my apprenticeship... 2020 -> but 2021 on another school I decided to again my last year of high school on a another School. ) Not seriously because I knowed my end/ legacy is this apprenticeship-> and that I knowed already when I was in 8th grade 2015 -> 2017 when i finished my 10 class -> I was so happy -> because now knowed " now only 2 year Part, high school and then my apprenticeship can Start..." but in the high school I changed my self because New people and then New things -> and I forgot also little bit about the apprenticeship and who I am. -> 2015 I remember who I was and where I wanted to go and when I am Looking back -> I see-> I had no friends my whole life -> and 2016 till 2020 i was doing so much with my "friends" without knowing of 2015 -> ps3 and my Internet friends and of my knowing of my apprenticeship after the 10th grade. -> but on the New school 2021 - i was stressed as fuck because of my apprenticeship from which I always knowed was gone -> and now I am in the last year of my high school and then I dont know further. Remember, I come from a dysfunctional family and am the black sheep of the family and was beaten really badly in 2015, which was the reason why I wanted to finish my training quickly, but then I made friends in 2016 and yes. Throughout my life I suffered from strange illnesses and had to go to the doctor and they didn't take me seriously. My parents didn't pay any attention to me. Bad past with mother -> and my father was blind for years. but I'm fragile. mother lied to father and I got beaten.. But you forget about that, just like when you've made friends, but now you part ways and yeah... 5th grade I cut my face and then told the class that my cat scratched me. Then you got sunburned again on purpose so that the teacher could see you again and give you a tip because the first time she said that I should put cream on it. -> and unfortunately I did something like that again in the 11th and 12th exams... Because I found friends there -> maybe I allowed myself to be like that there because I knew my end would be somewhere else and this is just incidental. -> should I send a recipe to my sister..milkshake-> accidentally sent it to a guy in my class and quickly deleted it -> the next day he talks to me about how he saw that -> and he became addicted to it and would also like to try this milkshake and I laughed... -> next time I should send a link like that to my sister But this time I intentionally sent it to Oli from my class and then deleted it so that he would contact me again tomorrow.
Tertiary Ti user here. That’s true for me I really desire to understand how things work. I get frustrated with people who say that this is just “how the facts are”. No I need to understand why it is that way and the deep down underlying reason behind the external facts. I think both Introverted judging functions like to understand underlying motives. Fi is probably more about understand underlying emotional motives behind the external emotional values. Whereas Te and Fe seem more satisfied with just taking and applying what’s going on the external world either emotionally or rationally. Then using that data to make decisions.
Interesting to see a Ti user's perspective I consider myself a Te user, and I've never cared to understand how things work. I've always felt like it was a waste of time, when I could just apply the facts/knowledge and get quick results instead. For example, in school, I only memorized the facts to get good grades, but I never cared about understanding. I only care to understand how things work if having an understanding of those things leads to a beneficial outcome (e.g. understanding how the stock market/specific stocks work to make more money). Otherwise, I derive very little pleasure from just 'understanding' things. I feel like personality theory has been the only thing that I've cared to understand for its own sake, but even that has a practical outcome (e.g. learning what my weaknesses are, how to better my strengths, etc.) I do question the facts though and don't just accept them at face value (though i could be tricked into accepting facts if they support my closely held worldview), e.g. the "facts" need to make sense and lead to a beneficial outcome (Ni). If the facts lead to a useless outcome, then the facts have no value.
Very spot on about Ti. Being an INFJ graphic designer I find it tedious to follow photoshop instructions because who knows if that’s the best way of doing an outline?! Just tell me what each function does and I’ll figure the best way out myself. Interesting to see that you somehow got to the same conclusion as the guys at Objective Personality. They explain it as Ti and Fi relate to identity, so Ti users have an internal logic system (don’t tell me instructions), vs Fi having an internal value system (don’t tell me how to feel). Thus, having no internal values as an FJ, we’re so easily swayed by the feelings of other people (whom we Ti respect for their expertise or intelligence) to inform our decision making.
Everyone figures this stuff out they're just calling it different things and most of them don't realize other people (but not everyone) are like them. They either think everyone is or most people aren't. Read a self-help book. It's not going to be exactly the same, but you'll see MBTI littered all throughout.
As an ENTJ, I definitely don't want the whole pyramid of information, I just want to pull out the one brick that I need right away! I like to change other people's structures and put my own spin on it but I like taking their templates as a starting point. I definitely don't want to hear a long-winded backstory of how they got to that though, I just want to take what I need and go! In my projects, the content itself will be creative and original (coming from aux Ni) but the structure/format of how I present it, will usually follow how it's being done by others.
Very interesting!! I tend to see it more like: Ti cares about the journey/process (of figuring it out) while Te wants efficiency and results, and following/giving directions sometimes just seems like the more efficient way. I like the pyramid analogy very much. As INTJ I agree, my Te is super present, but my primary function is intuitive and boy do they butt heads sometimes. Ps. there's another mbti youtuber I follow, Asura Psych, he once said something like for an INTJ to grow they need to stop seeing themselves as a thinking type and accept that they are an intuitive type. Really hit me hard :)
"Ti cares about the journey/process (of figuring it out)" It's definitely not this. If you give me a complete explanation I will take it, I just can't take a partial explanation that can't be replicated in other cases. Is very common in a Ti vs Ti argument that they end up agreeing (one adopt the vision of the other)
@@renand3z Cool, you've definitely put it into words much better that I can as a non-Ti person! I think by journey/process I was trying to say exactly that, the complete explanation and the search for accuracy and having all the details. Sometimes as Te person I'll go "ok, no idea how and why this works but it gets the job done." Maybe I'll research it some other time for pure intellectual curiosity but it's not necessary IF it works. From my experience with Ti people that just doesn't work, they want the how and why first. I may be wrong though, feel free to explain it better from your own experience! Always happy to learn how people work :)
@@andreeadobre3190 jesus, so polite. Did you have Fe parents that bullied u? Definitely worked lol, never saw an intj with that much Fe and I know some. We Ti users want to know the why and how bc if not, the thing will fail later. It's a deeper and more complete method but way more time-consuming. I go to the gym, I could have done it in a Te way "do this proved thing that works for most people" But bc Ti is a bitch I had to understand everything about muscles. Now I got more progress than other people and I can easily adapt my methods to different people and machines. If a machine breaks, I know how to adapt to other machines. If I need to hit some specific muscle I invent some variation of the exercise on the spot. If some friend is not feeling certain muscle in their machine, I know how to analyze their body and suggest a different posture or machine. Most people do in a Te-way so they grow fast but end up plateauing later, and they don't know how to fix, bc they don't understand how they got there. So they overdo to gain more muscles and end up injured. So your comment is mostly right (like every Te method xD), but this thing that we like to figure out in our own way to get enjoyment is not true at all. If someone knows their shit and explains to us (deeply), we generally get attached to the person bc they saved us so much time. Ofc we enjoy it when we understand something, it's an accomplishment after all. But we don't refuse opinions so we can't get an "ego-win (oh discovered alone)", this is more a Fi thing I think, Ti really doesn't care about authorship and merit.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the word "results." For Te, completing a task is all about the end result, about achieving the desired outcome. For Ti users, completing a task is about executing it in a way that lines up with their pure, internalised logical ideal. They want to understand the mechanics of the task and enact it in the most optimised way. When push comes to shove, Te will sacrifice optimisation and perfection for efficiency and speed, while Ti will sacrifice efficiency and speed for optimisation and perfection.
@@renand3z interesting what you said about politeness and had the person been bullied by Fe parents, and you suggested they were using Fe. I would say this was Fi they were using. In exactly the same way that you said about Ti's happily utilising something if they see it is clearly the best way to do it. Fi's will do the same.
Interesting video! Te: “Does it work?” Ti: “How does it work?” As an INTP, I have trouble following and remembering a procedure unless I know the why behind the steps. I hate following recipes.
I highly agree with that fi against more of a script form. My brother is an ti dom and this totally relates to him and he works in i.t and enjoys breaking apart each detail to fix a computer problem, he thinks of it as an art p.s thank you for your informative videos! ^__^
As an INTP if I'm doing something i've never done before I want or even need instructions. Not because I wouldn't be able to do it but because the way I would do it without instructions will surely be different from how I'm expected to do it. After knowing how I'm I supposed to do it i make changes to make it my own or to make it better. Ones I know how to do something I don't want to follow instructions, I want to do it my own way.
Yep agree, I'm the INTP mentioned in the vid. From our discussion in Discord, we've agreed the difference lies more in the thought process and tendencies. Even when following instructions, I'm always looking beyond the steps to try to understand what's going on behind the scenes to form a basic mental model which I can use for future reference (rather than just taking the instructions at face value). So I tend to kind of almost skim instructions and go back and forth to look up certain concepts, unless I simply don't care about the subject. By understanding the concepts, I then have less need to look up specific instructions yay :D
I agree .. i usually understand the concept and see the final result of someone else's work as a refrence of how my work should be .. then doing it my own way not paying attention to the steps .. even though later on i make adjustments in my mind to the reference (how my work should be)
If I do something for fun for example: producing. I like learning things on my own rather than watching a tutorial. But If I have to do something like idk cooking, then I don't have time to mess around since I'm probably hungry so I follow the recipe because it's more likely I'll get a good result.
As a dominant Ti user, I understand why and how things work from the ground up. If I forget how to do something I can just re-figure out how to do it from components of knowledge. This also allows me to go off script and invent my own methods rather than just memorising things. From my perspective I''ve always felt I learn concepts in school faster than most of my peers for this reason. PS There is a button that outlines text actually. It's called a layer style. - stroke.
at the end where you talked about Fe and Fi was so eye opening to me. i'm an ISTP (at least i'm like 95% sure) so ofc i have low Fe but i definitely experience the "script" thing because i do not know how to act emotionally most of the time so having a script to go off of makes things easier. i had to teach myself how to socialise better through this, like learning appropriate reactions to things that don't say anything to me (maybe emotional reactions to something where i'd just go it's wtv). i don't want to seem or be rude but some things i just don't care about enough to have a real reaction to so learning how to express understanding has been helpful - i'm definitely less socially constipated than i was a few years ago thanks to this 😭 i also noticed with Ti that i prefer just doing things.. most of the time when i do something for the first time and there's instructions (like building or playing a new game or smth else) i just ignore what's written in front of me and do it. maybe this is more thanks to my Se because i'm more up for the first hand experience even if my knowledge isn't good on that certain thing, i learn much better by doing something than just listening or reading, yes i'm much more efficient when i know something well but learning things through first hand experience is fun too - and i deal with failure quite well because trial and error ig? equally tho, if i know something then why would i need to be told what to do - i'd just do it. it's that simple. instructions are just a waste of time, so is planning ahead. there are instances where i am capable of following instructions and they are helpful, but they can become very restrictive in my opinion, and then i feel like a robot by not being allowed to use my own brain or implement my own methods or knowledge. like starting at a new job? yes tell me my role and what is expected of me, give me the necessary training but don't tell me how to execute something if the process doesn't affect the result.
INFP with INTP parent. I TOTALLY agree. For example, when my dad and I cook. When dad cooks he doesn't follow a recipe (even though he knows NOTHING about cooking XD ). I prefer to follow a recipe (from which I might change a few measurements or something since I don't like to feel boxed in lol). And I have to look up the recipe at least 5 or 6 times before I start to remember it. But while I do prefer to follow a recipe, usually nothing I make is ever exactly the same. I like to change things slightly every time so that I feel creative and it's a new experience. My brother is also an INTP, and, in the rare instance that he wants to cook, he REFUSES to read a recipe XD. BTW thanks for helping to prove that INFPs are badasses and can work hard and do stuff on their own, and are, in fact, often better off for it.
I consider myself an INTP and I would swallow my useless pride and follow the damn instructions while building my pyramid of cooking skills. Eventually when I'm good enough I'll improvise.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Maybe it does not have much to do with pride? I find understanding stuff by figuring it out myself easier than following instructions
And as an INTJ, I glance at a recipe and then follow Ni while following the general guide but adding my own touch. I spent a long time (years) getting to know how heat levels impact different pots/pans/foods, so that I have that knowledge to maneuver things on a stovetop without thinking too much, Te. Baking is boring as hell though and frankly sucks lol.
I follow the recipe when I cook cause for some reason I want the thing I made to look exactly like the thing in the video.I make small changes like you do(like spices).But that happens when I see something that I liked so much.I do like to experiment with the food a lot.I like combining things.Pretty sure that I am a Ti user but your comment confused me a lot.Like a lot a lot.When my enfj dad cooks he just does what he wants and he is not afraid about screwing things up.Without a recipe I dont know how much I will add something,how long ı will cook something I know nothing.This tought of not to know something
I have to look up the rules to a board game to find out exactly how it’s supposed to be played. My wife gets impatient about that and would rather figure it out as we go or even change the rules. Same goes for preparing a meal. I’m ENFP and she’s INFJ.
INTJ can struggle to explain the why of things. The conclusion is intuitively obvious ("that's just how it's done") but lacking Si, Se and Ti we don't carefully consider the step by step processes; mostly the framework and the bigger picture. The ISTJ will say "because that is how it is done (within the parameters of the procedure)." It's important to consider INTJs as Ni users *more* than Te users, since Ni is the dominant function.
We all need to perform tasks. As an INTP I don't feel the need to immediately know the reason or background behind every task I perform or every bit of information I encounter. I just don't have the time to research everything--especially since so much is done last minute. However at some time down the road this information will become known to me, dots will connect, I will find it interesting and useful, and the world will be a better place. :-)
I’m INFP but I use the Ti process of figuring things out. I know a lot of random facts and ways to do things because I tend to figure out the principles behind them, and then I can apply it to other related things. I can’t just memorize facts without understanding the principles first. Give me instructions and it takes me 10x longer than other people to finish because I pause a million times to think things through 😂 I also micro analyze my emotions and where they’re coming from, as well as other people’s emotions and reactions lol.
That's exactly like me, I prefer to understand things or figuring them out than just memorizing facts or following instructions. For exmple, people is so quick repeating things while I just can't do it unless I use all my concentration
@@l_ishigami489 do you mean Infp? I’ve taken the test many times but honestly, it’s very subjective. I have a theory that you actually use your 8th shadow function in a similar way to your dominant function, because it comes from a similar place. For instance, if I use the introverted judging function of Fi to make decisions, it means I prefer introverted judging. Therefore, I’d probably engage in Ti use as well. I thought of this first from observing my ENFP friend (who leads with Ne), as she uses Se so much, albeit in a clumsy way. I think another way to put it is we enjoy using our 8th function. What do you think? Edit: INTPs value individuality, right? That’s a very Fi thing as well. I think feelings and thought, sensing and intuiting are more interrelated than MBTI suggests.
This is so weird because I have both Fe and Te, which can’t be right. Fe because I am definitely not Fi, my actions and opinions are usually influenced by other people’s opinions. I always worry about what other people think or feel. And Te because I like to follow rules, I do things perfectly this way. For instance in a school project if there are specific instructions I tend to follow them exactly how they are, and add just a few stuff to make the project more interesting. I do not trust myself enough to do everything on my own lol.
Same position the more reason we need to develop Ti (in my case). As you are on the Te and Fe balanced try to search infos about Fe-Ti and Te-Fi. There has to be more dominant on Fe and Te. I scored 52% on F and the latter on T. I'm more an Fe user in most cases but I've seen where Te is more mindful to use. Try to learn more about the combos and you'll surely know. Try to understand and relate to this: "When Ti and Fe are well-developed, a person is able to think of a solution that minimizes harm or, in the best case scenario, is a win-win for everyone involved. When Ti and Fe are imbalanced, a person becomes too extreme in judgment, either childishly rejecting all viewpoints but one’s own (Ti extreme) or getting overwhelmingly confused and unable to sort out too many conflicting viewpoints (Fe extreme)." Link: mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/142863816372/type-spotting-te-v-ti
IMO the Ti vs Te descriptions in socionics are pretty spot on. I never understood why the West rejects socionics and then still goes round and round in MBTI with all the different opinions.
As an ENFP (Te users) I always wondered why all textbooks basically start of with explaination of componants and only then end with the big picture.. when studying I would get so frustrated that I was studying for something that I didnt even know what it was conceptually (in its entirety). Sometimes I would love to study backwards - getting the big/final picture and only then I would get enough interest to learn about the details. Details would then have sense to me.
also Bogdan Yakubets (watch his elevator vids make sure to watch the istp one last(epic)), before alex left I could have seen them doing some crazy mbti roleplaying stuff, still possible with just the three
This is so great. I completely identify with what you said. I’m an ENFP and in high school I was really good at math and maybe even art because I was given a specific task to “perform.” Whereas in the social sciences, which were not as “linear” in the instructions, I would get frustrated at having to come up with my own thinking. Someone close to me is an INFJ and sometimes when she’s struggling to get something done I just start telling her every step to follow and I can see a blank stare on her face and often just get an “yeah… I’ll figure it out” response. In social situations, I hate to sound like I get my phrases or conversations from an “instructions manual” so to speak, so I try to be as authentic socially as I can. This doesn’t always yield the best results but it feels soooo unnatural to do the “most accepted” or “effective” thing in those situations. Whereas my INFJ friend literally says she follows a script when she’s in a social situation. She’s very good at choosing the right thing to say and I’ve never heard her say it bothers her to do that… though she’s still introverted so being in social situations is draining to begin with. Also at work and in anything I learn, I’m totally one to grab the pyramid and look up what I need to know. Haha. I’ve done that with the whole Adobe suite. Whereas my INFJ friend went through a course and is very bothered if it seems like I’m not doing something as it “logically” should be done. I do it in an effective way, whether I know all the functionalities of a tool or not, I’ll still use it. But if she’s using a tool, she has to know what every box does. Anyway, just supporting your analysis. Thanks so much!
Ti user here (INTP). I think up about ten or so different ways to do the same thing in Photoshop, or in any software, and will know what needs to be done, but never remember the steps and I can not even force myself to follow a tutorial, I like watching tutorials, but I have to do something entirely different and will generally even try to achieve a similar effect by doing it my way. I do things this way even when I am very new to something. In Photoshop 90% of my time is spent trying to find where a menu item is. I work out how to do things logically each time I do them, and I generally don't memorise the steps.
This video series is really great. I watch a lot of MBTI channels but you are great at explaining things from a unique perspective that's really useful for differentiating the functions. Keep up the good work!
Undecided INxP here. Once again I relate very strongly to everything you said about both Ti and Fi, but not so much Te and Fe. It just doesn't make sense.
@@candletabletop154 Sooo that was a year ago. My personality changed a lot, and I thought I might actually be an INFJ. I realized I couldn't type myself because I was undergoing personal growth, and that was a good thing, so I stopped worrying about it. I no longer feel the need for 4 letters to tell me who I am. I'm still interested in MBTI but I realized it's not as useful as I was trying to make it be. By the 4-letter dichotomy, just looking at the letters, I am probably an INFP. If someone like Calypso were to visually type me, she would probably say I'm an INTJ or ISFP. So no, I don't really know my type, but it's not something to worry about. You can still learn a lot about MBTI and grow just by understanding the types you *might* be.
hi i’m an INFP :) , i just wanted to say that Beyond the dominant and auxiliary, the functions do not necessarily fall in any order (of “strength” or otherwise). So it’s possible to identify with a shadow function more than your inferior. the inferior is the most consciously suppressed, while the shadows are usually unconsciously controlled, and may be more noticable, because they’re even more “not me” (when compared to the dom. and aux.). Another theory adds a dynamic of brain lateralization, where Fi and Ti are both in the right hemisphere, and Ti will actually serve as an “alternate” for Fi, when the dominant can’t solve a problem. (as you mature the tertiary, Si will then fill that role more). note : A lot of INFPs seem to use Ti actually. FiNeSiTe is the commonly accepted function stack, but it’s only a theory, developed by neither Myers or Jung but by Grant. There are others theories, and none of them have been empirically proven or disproven. I think we can agree that all INFPs use Fi and Ne by definition but the rest is kind of disputable. Along with those two main functions, I don’t see why different life experiences can’t lead to you develop other functions more or less strongly. Everyone’s different..
I don't really like following instructions because it takes me a while to understand how it works and I'm slow when it comes to following directions, especially written instructions. Exploring and figuring out how things work helps me to learn (even if it will take longer), because I'm not relying on the instructions or trying to remember it, rather by forming my own "instruction", I am likely to retain that knowledge.
(INTP) We do not remember, we understand. And we figure things out. 1) When I was a student, on a Differential Equations course I stated that "I am not interested in methods, I'll figure a solution by myself"... and I did. 2) When my wife tried to teach me painting, I rejected her instructions saying " I will do it my way"
I think these 2 functions cause the most confusion between people. Te are all about what is and what works in world now, Ti are more about how things work and therefore how they could work differently. Similar with Ni versus Si.
Yeah as an ENFP, I relate a lot to what you've said about Te. When I was learning to draw, the first thing I did was look at a bunch of tutorials with step-by-step processes on what to do to make a specific drawing. I would make my own observations in my mind as I kept mimicking these videos, which helped me branch out and start making my own drawings from scratch. If I were to cook a dish, I'd find a very specific step-by-step tutorial on said dish and follow it. Then, next time I make the dish I'd change up a few parts of it and observe the results. I also typically follow exact measurements without needing to know why, I will only really question them if I'm with another person and find it interesting or fun to get their perspective on. If I got a new electronic machine of some kind, and there were lots of buttons on it, I wouldn't care to learn why every single button is there and what it does. If there was a specific button I needed to use at the time, I'd learn about that one by itself and then use it.
Also, in school, let's say algebra class for example, I only felt the need to zone in on the specific areas of a subject that I thought would matter for a test, or that would cover a lot of ground. I can see how Te is viewed as being efficient because of that. I wanted to learn the least amount possible to perform the most. Unfortunately, this messes me up sometimes. There are a few topics I am super invested in, a couple being MBTI and Enneagram personality types. I am also generally interested in psychology and sociology. The problem is that I keep gathering just enough info to help me with a certain question (ex. a specific question on Fi vs Fe to help me understand a character's typology better), but not enough to assist me in future questions. Whereas a Ti user would probably spend more time understanding every MBTI function from the ground up, I only really zone in on one at a time, and even then may zone in further at what parts of that function helps me with my current, specific question. I also often have to go back and reread questions I have already asked multiple times over. AAAAAAAAAA, although I enjoy my Te at times, I really respect Ti users thinking moreso...
on sewing: my mom (unknown mbti) learned to sew through the school system in the 60s and 70s so she know of an "proper" "right" way to sew and is really clean and good with it, I, an INTP, learned to sew as an autodidact i do whatever feels right and most often get really good (impressive i guess) results. It's impossible for us to sew anything together because if something isn't right but i hate doing it and don't feel like putting in the effort (or if i just don't know the "righ" way) i'll wing it to correct it along the way but i hate being micromanaged, for my mom if something isn't done the "right" way, she assumes the whole piece has turned into garbage and there is no way for it to ever look okay, her mind will bug out and she'll implode I'm however quite easily influenced and i kinda have to have internalised a system or rules to do something, kinda like a computer having to blindly go through it's coding until it falls on a bug and everything crashes down, it feels like it's more linked to my Si than my Ti though
As an ISFJ regarding following the social script is so true. I usually don't care about it and because of that I end up in akward situations. My help is my sister who usually says "you are supposed to say this and do that" which helps, but to me it's kind of meaningless tbh. Also about the Ti being tertiarry, sometimes I want to know why this happen(a recent example is that a shirt got little after I washed it, so I start searching why this happens and apparently is because the animal fibers revert back to their original state when washed on high temperatures or high spins).
I have primary Ti and I hate building knowledge "pyramids". It's so inefficient and full of irrelevant stuff. I'd rather build a tower straight up. Maybe it's not that stable, and maybe I can't build it that high, but at least every piece in that tower is useful
thanks! very interesting. as an ENTJ having some close INTP friends, I could relate to it all. never thought of the part where you say Fe users are more willing to follow emotional patters, while Fi users will kind of find there emotional path. fascinating. thanks!
This makes a lot of sense and fits with what I've seen in others based on type. I'm an INTJ (flirted with the idea I might be INFJ for a while, but came back around because, according to Objective Personality, if I have masculine Te and feminine Fi, that makes me feel like I might have Fe, and I might be a jumper, so Ni and Fi saviors also make me feel like a feeler--my flow state isn't intuitive thinking, I have to make an effort and I find it draining...my flow state is intuitive creativity, like writing narrative fiction), and I see Te playing out exactly like this. My preferred style is to learn something new by following the instructions of an expert, and from there, once I understand the system well enough, I can start to play around with it and optimize. But if you give me a new system and tell me to figure it out for myself, I hate it. I'll tinker around to see if I recognize anything, but if I don't, I'll turn to Google or seek out an expert to help me. Similarly, I make a lot of Excel macros for work, but unlike a Ti user who would first set out to learn VBA from the bottom up in order to code from scratch, I just Googled what I want the macro to do and copy/paste the VBA code and adjust settings to make it fit my parameters. Over time, sure, I have learned some code along the way, but I have only internalized some of the basics as well as some of the overall logic. When I need a new macro that does something I have in an old macro, I still have to look up the old macro and find the relevant code in order to copy/paste again. So I have a reputation at work for being a macro master, but really I'm not--I'm really good at seeing the Ni overview of what I want the macro to do and Frankensteining the macro from bits and pieces of other macros.
I'm INTJ, so Te is in my second slot. I prefer to jump in and try something first, but will then google it after ten minutes. The main thing that concerns me is usually 'does this work intuitively?'. Then I either get grumpy and think 'this should work _this_ way, not *that* way', or I write documentation on how to find the easiest way into something, and how to make it intuitive. And get paid for it. ;-)
I thought following instructions was more of an Si thing? Focusing on the details and repeating the "tried and true" routine? I get Te vs Ti in terms of external vs internal legitimization of logic and how others' thoughts are regarded, but when it comes to the more "problem-solving" elements particular to a task, I find there is some confusing overlap between the way Te and Si are explained in conflicting definitions from different systems. Like, how do you differentiate a Te focus on standardization from an Si focus on following the tried-and-true procedure? Is it just the rationalization behind why it's being followed? Because that seems easy to misinterpret. I've actually always considered myself good at following instructions (and writing instructions!) but I thought that was because of my attention to detail. If it's something that's outside of my area of expertise, like fixing a car, I can follow instructions by the book. But I hate people trying to tell me how best to do things (which seems anti-Te). I prefer to figure it out for myself, doing my own research and looking at manuals if necessary. Unsolicited advice I generally see as yet another biased or flawed opinion. When it comes to something like cooking, I almost never follow a recipe... That's boring and unoriginal. In that sense, instructions are like "suggestions" or "recommendations" and I might mish-mash ideas from different recipes together and put my own spin on it... But I think that's more of an Ne thing? Can you offer some clarification on Te vs Si in this context? Like, when is a to-do list Te goals to check off a list and when is it an Si routine? Would it only then be about repetition? Or efficiency? This seems confounding to me for some reason.
Following instructions here seem to be a Te Si combination. It's hard to differentiate both as each of the functions have different motives, yet the result behavior is about the same. The real way to differentiate would be Te Ni vs Te Si and Si Te vs Si Ti to see the actual differences.
I had the same thought. I thought that following tried and true instructions was more about Si than the thinking functions. It's hard to tease them apart.
Definitely agree. Ni is the dominant function for INTJ, so even though they are Te secondary, they are going to go with a process that makes intuitive sense and simply use Te to prove or implement that intuition. They (we) cannot take information at face value, Ni is always going to look for the entire meaning or potential of a thing or concept when initially perceiving it. The tried and true knowledge is only considered insofar as building a pattern network out of which the Ni comes forth. Also, with Se being opposing and Si being demon function, engaging with physical systems will be taxing (take menial, repetitive tasks or jigsaw puzzles asexamples). (I'm INTJ) In the Jungian archetypal model the primary function greatly dominates the rest.
I follow instructions in the things I don't value much but I'm obliged to do such as cooking, fixing, maths (it's ok as long as the result is passing). I also google things such as "how to do this in autocad" as a short cut for not losing time. However, I hate instructions in the things I'm passionate about such as art, I don't follow technics nor I don't find references to draw, I want to do it in my own way, outside of the box, regardless of the previous artworks. I'm also against art school because I think they are killing imagination by making students follow the instructions to draw with the same procedure.
I know I'm very late to the party here, but here's how I understand the difference between the two functions, and the differences which underlie the apparent similarities you mentioned. Si is procedural memory. Si doesn't learn by following a set of instructions, but usually by being shown how to do it by someone, in a hands-on kind of way. It's the internalised memory of carrying out a task in a certain way, reinforced by repetition. The more it's repeated, the more it's favoured over novel methods. But it isn't favoured because it's the generally accepted way, established by a collective consensus (that's a Te consideration), but because it's the way that is familiar to the Si user. It's a personal thing, stemming from the individual's attachment to their own experiences. It's the 'tried and tested,' sure, but it's what's tried and tested for the individual, in their personal experience. It just so happens that this will often coincide with the generally accepted, 'traditional,' which is to say collectively tried and tested, way. A set of instructions is a procedure codified into a language of external logic, which is to say the language of Te. It might be described as an Si procedural memory stored externally and in a form designed to be easily understood by Te. You need to have some level of Te to be able to follow instructions easily. So a person with both high Si and high Te (i.e. STJs) will be very good both at learning how to do something by following instructions (Te) and also internalising and remembering the procedure (Si) which is codified in those instructions. My mum is an ISFJ (so dominant Si and tertiary Ti, and Te blindspot), and she finds it really difficult to follow a set of instructions. Any new thinking-type system or problem she encounters has to be processed through her own subjective sense of logic, and it takes her a long time to figure things out, but she's extremely practical and skilled and knows how to do all kinds of different things, because it's stored up in her head in the form of experiential, procedural memory. I, on the other hand, have strong Te and basically no Si. I find it really easy to follow instructions, and will follow rules and instructions meticulously, and enjoy it. But my procedural memory is so bad that if I go for a month without, for example, boiling an egg, I will actually forget how to do it. My brain just throws out the information if it's not in regular use, and I have to ask someone to remind me how to do it, or look it up on the internet.
So I'm an INFJ. And when writing Statements of Purpose etc., I often feel like "Yeah, alright! Everyone has hopes and desires. But exactly WHY I have THESE hopes is what will show them who I am." So I think of my reasoning as more personal to me, yes! Ti. Like you say at 8:30
I’m always typed as a INTP but sometimes relate a lot to the INTJ as I’m kinda lazy sometimes and just do whatever to get to the goal without thinking. I like thinking though, maybe thats why I’m typed as Ti but often quite lazy to think
TI: If you have all the abstract logic inside your mind you can create new conections and discover new possibilities for a task or even apply a concept to another work you might do in the future.
I will WANT to start out doing something by going at it on my own. I'll try to figure something out. But it's just too big. I can't take something and know exactly where to start. I have to go step by step. But I hate being told what to do (at least by someone who feels domineering, or when what they tell me to do something, it puts me down). If it's more or less "you should try this" instead of "DO EXACTLY THIS RIGHT NOW" then I'm better. For example, if I'm trying to write a program to do something. I'll be like, "okay I know how to do this!" *goes off to figure it out* "Uhhhhhhh...." *doesn't know where to even start* "Here you should try something like this, start here" *understands where to begin* "I got this now!" *continues on smoothly*
I work as a study counselor. I am really good at my job but for factual information about university courses and other bullshit details, i always have to go look it up. Its in my opinion because I don’t think that remembering all those mechanical steps are any important
What makes me a TJ is that i don't know what i am thinking about unless i say it out loud and hear myself. Kind of useless when i am alone and I like to be alone.
I'm an ISFP and my brother just took the test and got INTP (I feel it's accurate). I see that our function stacks are LITERALLY UPSIDE-DOWN. We used to fight a lot. Is there something that we can find common ground in? Are there any examples you have of an INTP and ISFP personality finding harmony in some way?
Yesss it's so true. I'm an infp and my fourth function is te. When i started editing videos on my computer a couple of months ago i tried to watch videos about this app to figure out how everything works there... But 10 minutes later i decided that it's not efficient at all and why on earth would i do it when i just can google for instruction for one exact task? That's basically how i learn everything.
Nowadays I started to value enneagram over mbti. It seems more insightful and useful as one can decide their enneagram quicker. I've been researching mbti for nearly a year but I'm still not sure about my type. According to this video, I prefer Te over Ti.
I can relate. Ennegream has been much more helpful for me than mbti. I realized that mbti is kind of too precise and stereotypical. Like I can't be more than this or that.
I think I'm an ENTP. Almost certain at this point to be honest. I work in software and often have to build complex systems that interact in weird ways. If I do have Ti then my experience of it isn't that Ti users think "logic" is subjective. Most of the time "logic" is objective. I think the subjective aspect of Ti is the framework of logical connections which build our worldview. The more dig into this the less certain I am if my explanation is specific to NTPs. It feels as though we learn discreet pieces of information we know (or believe) to be true. There's a belief that these are axioms, but I think that's not a valid term as these building blocks can be aggregations of other building blocks. A Ti user can build an entirely different world view based on what these building blocks have determined to be true. E.g. What is healthy food? This question is far too complex to have a clear answer but often a Ti user will give their interpretation of healthy based on the building blocks they've established on healthy foods. These facts could be: - Saturated fat causes heard disease - Eat more fibre Which could be completely different from someone else who learned a separate set of facts on what healthy food is based on the experiences/information they've been exposed to. Ti is the why. Why are things connected. Why things work. If we're talking Mathematical proofs, Si/Ni patterns are the steps and Ti is the process of walking through them to see if the connections are valid. Something I often have to do as part of my job is think about scenarios which don't exist. E.g. What will happen if we make these changes to our software system? In these moments I will essentially go through almost simulation style scenarios in my head. I essentially do a "proof" through the known facts (with the addition of the change) until either something breaks (the change will cause issues because x y z) or the simulations seem to work out. It's like Ti is the process of following the logical connections until it passes/fails the internal checks. I imagine that process is just Ne Ti in some form. Not sure if this is helpful or just a caffeine fuelled ramble, I thought I'd write down my thoughts as I know you've mentioned struggling to comprehend Ti before. Hope you're doing well Calypso, glad you're putting out new videos again :)
Tertiary Ti here: With the Photoshop example, when it comes to learning new programs and features, I'd try to play around and figure it out. If I can't get something, then I'll look for a tutorial on TH-cam. .. .. [INFJ]
No Calypsoooo. I can’t concur. I hate following instructions- ENTJ verified by you. I hate following any instructions. I’ll glance over the idea, but do my own thing. I think it’s an Si/Se thing. I love researching until I figure out my own system.
I wish I had Ti, but yeah as an ENFP I have tertiary Te so I need to know what the instructions are more or less in terms of whats logical. I think in other aspects like my Fi I don't like conforming to how I'm supposed to feel, so I hate when someone tells me to calm down or smile when I don't want to.
If it's a myth, then the MBTI is wrong because Te is their inferior function, by definition. If there is some explanation for how they can compensate for having inferior Te, or why they learn to use it better than other types learn to use their inferior function, I'd like to hear it. I could believe it that they tolerate using a lot of Te when doing so is necessary for the sake of something they care about.
We can develop it, but using it for long periods of time is exhausting. We certainly can excel in academics because you don't have to be strong in TE to do that, and we can excell in hard-science environments, because even in "hard-science" there is an element of creativity, a big picture, a goal (and also, probably instructions, like Calypso was saying).
Great responses! A function differs in varying attributes/modes of expression according to its place in the stack - INFPs will indeed find using Te in order to make decisions, plan and formulate their own set of instructions and external frameworks. However, they often excel at, as Calypso said, following instructions and working a pre-existing Te framework - this does not imply a low Te in any sense, but simply a lack of Te-decision making. These are two entirely different concepts. The reasons listed above are exactly why the INFP is better suited to the two fields I mentioned than Te convergents, as they excel in carrying out step-by-step procedures to a degree of excellence while simultaneously understanding the reasons behind them. INFPs are not mindless drones but rather a type fully connected to external order while aware of the deeper infrastructure behind it owing to the Ne lens the function is connected to. This is a Te user :)
@@zain4019 An alternative explanation to being super good with their inferior function is that they have Ne as their tool function and Ni as their critical parent (strongest shadow function). Their Si also shouldn't be that bad if they are mature. That would seem to indicate to me that they can understand the ideas just fine, but might have a harder time deciding rationally what is effective and what isn't. My inferior function is Se and I was complimented once during a science class that my reports were very detailed. I did not actually like the details, but thought of it as the bullshit part of the assignment that I just have to do for a couple hours so that I can get it done, usually after I'd already done everything else. I wonder if INFPs have a similar relationship to their Te?
I like the "actor performing a script" metaphor (yay intuitive language!) when looking at Te. I can see how this would also apply to Fe; trying to be emotionally efficient, in terms of: how emotions are "used", in the outer world (conduct in interpersonal relationships). This conduct is something that Fe-users often view as "objectively true" or "objectively agreed upon by everyone", i.e. this is "proper" human-based conduct, and this is not... Instead of backing Te objectivity with "this is what I want"/"this is what truly matters to me, personally, independent of anyone else's influence" (introverted Feeling), an Fe-user will back up their "objective emotional data" with a subjective logical assessment (introverted Thinking), i.e. "this makes sense because of a, b, and c... but especially because of section 14G of point e..." LOL :P
I use Te but I hate following I instructions without actually knowing what I am doing. I am INTJ so this may be Ni instead of Te, but I just really NEED to figure it out myself. I notice this in math class. It takes me longer to understand something, because I want to have a deeper understanding of something and not just throw some numbers into some equations without knowing what that means. Yeah, that has to be Ni. But I still got secondary Te. Doesn't this disprove your theorem?
What about ENTPs? Let's take the photoshop example. They have Ti, so they would prefer to figure everything out by themself. But since their Si is low, wouldn't they have little patience to explore everything first? In my case (I don't know what type it is): I would like to figure it out by myself, since I would be annoyed by the fact that I have to follow or even read instructions. Still I would also be annoyed by the fact that I have to figure out every detail. So I would love to know what I can do, but I don't have the patience to test everything.
So from what I gain from this is....Te users prefer "objective" logic with a purpose. Ti users prefer "subjective" logic that may or may not have a purpose, as long as it makes sense to them.
INTJ are dominant Ni users, do keep that in mind. We aren't likely to follow instructions for the sake of it, unless it is a task (such as math) that demands it. In general, when confronted with new information we filter it through our own intuition, against a network of patterns and previous understanding, and use Te to the extent that it implements the Ni vision. ISTJ are likely to follow step-by-step procedures. Suppression of Ni and over-reliance of Te typically leads to unhealthy intj behaviors (think the teenage edgelords who take pride in their lack of sociability and general contentiousness).
Isn't applying tried and true ways more Si? Probably Si-Te combination. Si users are more focused on what worked in the past and instructions given are methods that worked in the past by other people. So I think that googling something and applying an instruction which goes like step 1,2,3... in that order directly sounds like someone with Si preference would do. But what about Ni-Te? I don't think that Ni would be that much tied to step by step tried and true methods, they can be more flexible about it.
I'm still confused in relating my behaviors or how I do things to certain functions. But I have this kind of behavior, where for example I'm learning a new topic for Mathematics. I usually will try to understand the formula given, by seeing what each variable is for, what this unknown represents, and how can I change this certain value with other value to get the right answer. then I formulate somewhat like a personal understanding of that topic or formula, kinda like my own understanding of the flow or steps, which what I will apply to other questions. so I have like a very personal understanding of that topic. is this Ti?
For me, I prefer to have instructions... that I skim through then quickly forget. So, I'll bang on whatever I'm trying to work on and then watch a TH-cam to show me the step-by-steps :D As for applying what I learned... even though, for instance, I've spend a few hundred hours crocheting one particular design, I can never remember how to start a new project. I have to sit through the YT video to get started :/ As for Fe/Fi... If it's a serious interaction (appointment; serious conversation), I'll mentally script out all possible variations of conversation- for myself and the other person as well. Otherwise, I hate Fe because I can't turn it off. I anticipate the needs of others and where a conversation will lead. My Fi is triggered by very few things (live and let live y'all :) )
I think that the definitions of Te and Ti are flexible in terms of which functions they pair with. For example, a Si-Te ISTJ would be more concerned with following instructions smoothly from A to Z. However, I like to leave a creative space between instructions and my imagination. For example, I'm passionately against the procedure of art schools because of pre-set concrete instructions of how to draw, I don't care much about tried and true technique also I don't like drawing accordingly with a reference picture so I create my art independently outside of the box as I want. However, I follow instructions in the things such as cooking, fixing and maths because I care more about results because I don't enjoy the process so I want to finish in the most efficient way asap.
Can I be a Ti and Fi user at the same time? Maybe it's not Ti but my intuition which makes me want to create things from stratch. Or I should accept my fate as being a Ti/Fe user ENTP
I guess this video fits more to high Si high Te users but when high Ne comes to stage it wants to change the forms of how things had always been done. In art and literature I genuinely don't care about a procedure, plus tried and true methods sound annoying in the fields in which I yield with my pure imagination. Despite this, I follow instructions in school to get passing grades.
I must have both cuz I like figuring out things by my self and by other cuz I feel stupid listening to others and qnana prove myself. But I also wanna follow other rules sometimes cuz I don't trust my mind and doubt myself sm. I think im infp just with autism and adhd makes my brain differently to nt infps
Hmm I'm reasonably sure I'm an INFP but sometimes wonder if I'm actually INFJ. I do relate more to Ti than Te at least in school...but then again, if I'm learning something practical like a computer skill I'd rather only learn what I need in the moment.
Both INFJs and INFPs have problems with Te. Do you focus more on identities/ideals (INFP) or on harmony/emotions (INFJ)? Do you focus more on (a) big goal(s) (INFJ) or small improvements at a time (INFP)?
what do you do if you do both im still tryna figure out if im infp or intp pretty sure I use te...but I don't follow manuals or instructions, I figure things out myself I cant follow instructions at all..but maybe thats cause I have adhd
Based on your description, I'm an INTP whose basically using Te to do things. Is that possible? I suck at it though. However, when I use Ti, I'm a whole lot better.
I really like the description of Ti and Fi being more "creative" than Te and Fe. Also, as a Ti user (INFJ), the whole pyramid explanation was spot on. I need to understand every step from the bottom to the top, I really have a hard time with just following set steps without understanding why or how come I should do them. I always want extra information, more background details, answers to "what happens if I do that instead" etc etc. Lol.
god, so true. Ti developing with Ni-Fe, is just so overwhelming! I'm used to be okay with just knowing the answer but Ti, it's just so labor-intensive haha
Mary K
Interesting. I have Te as an inferior function and I do the same.
I have Te as a second function and i do the same. I really like following instructions, but i need to fully understand them and why i do it the way i do things and if there's maybe an easier way to get where i want. I'm never okay with just having the solution, i need to understand every little detail in depth.
I think that's just Ni, I'm an INTJ and I have the same (unfortunately)
The best and quickest way to determine between Ti and Te is answering the question, "does the end justifes the means?".
A Te would answer absolutely yes, end of discussion; and a Ti would most likely say "it depends" and then get philosophical and and even moralistic and proceed to give a speech on different scenarios on which either could apply. LOL.
Also, Te always asks: why do I need it, how can I use it. So we don't really need to know, how things work. We only need to know, how to get what we want(Fi). But since Ti-Fe are not aware of their preferences, and its strengths, they can't do it this way. Therefore they have to try to understand the whole concept.
This has interesting side-effects. Te users understand, how other people think, and can tell other people intentions based on their actions. Ti cannot do that. They presume, that everybody has the same intentions, as they would.
Fe users understand, how other people feel, depending on whether their Ti was validated or scrutinized. Fi cannot do that. They presume, that everybody has the same feelings, as they would in the same situation.
it's not that we are not the aware of our preferences. our priority is usually a complete understanding. i mean, at least for me, an infj.
@@chasingtheunknown3763 For whatever task, that I am doing, I know, which outcome I would prefer. If I have to learn something, my mind creates a reason for it. I think, that this makes it easier to learn something without understanding it. Because I know why I need it (Fi). And then I learn steps to get it.
But, of course, a complete understanding is better.
@@jankom.7783 Is that automatic? I've thought of having an objective but that's after getting too overwhelmed and getting lost with what I'm learning. I don't know when to stop and if something is already useless. lol. What if you encounter something interesting and seemingly important along the way, what do you do with it? How do you decide what's important?
@@chasingtheunknown3763 There is always a reason. I might not be conciously aware of it, but there is a reason, why I am learning it, or find it interesting. I am interested in Jungian typology, because it explains human behavior. And that is very helpful. It gives me more insights into how people think, their intentions(Te). I think, that we all use all deciding cognitive functions. So I can use Ti. But it is only to join my different parts of Te facts together. When I speak to someone, I am focusing on what they want (Fi), which facts they know (Te). I am interested in their understanding of things (Ti) only as far as it is useful to any of our intentions (Fi). But I don't keep track of it. I correct them, when they are wrong, so that we think the same (Te enforces standardisation of knowledge).
@@jankom.7783 this is so accurate I almost jumped out of my chair. - INFP
As an INTP, I can confirm the Ti stuff. Honestly, i don't know how people can be adequate at doing something without finding patterns, and knowing how it all works together. It seems like a nice skill, and probably saves a lot of time in many cases.
But for me, once I take the time to learn how everything works together, I can figure out any future issues, create shortcuts/more efficient ways to go about completing a task, and all of the other nice perks that come with understanding the nuances. Unfortunately, that is hardly necessary in most cases haha
please teach me your ways. i am an infj and it's kind of overwhelming. lol
@@chasingtheunknown3763 lol I wouldn't have the slightest idea on where to start with that.
Generally speaking, being aware of/making accommodations for my weaknesses beforehand is really helpful for me. Like if you know it takes you a while to become competent at something, then go ahead and set aside that extra time beforehand to accommodate for that weakness. I know that once I pass that hurdle, my strength of mastery will show and make everything else pretty simple.
Truly knowing yourself is one of the most underrated and powerful things a person could ever do, at least in my opinion
infj suffering here
plz say how??!!
Chasing theUnknown and Suu96, I’m an INTP as well. It’s a combination of our functional stack, TiNeSiFe, that gives us this ability. Pattern recognition and discrepancy finding happens with me all of the time. I think this works because Ne is sandwiched in between Ti and Si. Ti provides the logic checking. Si provides past inputs to look at, nicely categorized. Ne provides the wide experimentation and looking at things from multiple angles. Because Fe and polar Fi are so far out of this loop, we can ignore feelings, unless that is one of the logical inputs (messy feelings).
I will spend enormous lengths of time automating something, to save even a tiny bit of time in the future. The journey to do that is fun, and over time, it will free up time to do “more important” things, which could be thinking, problem-solving, or things we are passionate about (yes, INTPs have personal things that they are highly passionate about - it takes passion, a logical reason, last minute adrenaline rush, or procrastinating something else to actually accomplish something in the physical world, ugh).
I do not think this can be taught. However, if we all keep working and developing well with the functions we have, we can approximate the cognitive functions that we don’t have, except for either our polar inferior function, or maybe our polar Feeling function in general. For me, Fi is both: I sometimes don’t know what I feel and dislike feeling questions that deal with likes or did I have a good time. When Ne views things from so many angles, the good, the bad, it is non-trivial and slightly untruthful to assign one feeling or overarching summation.
I used to love being an INTP, but I now hate it much of the time, feeling trapped and alone. We all need friends and loved ones. Connecting with people on the deep level that I want is nearly impossible. It seems like I’m from a different planet trying to fit in and learn this feeling stuff. I guess that’s why we need to rely on each other: to fill-in what we are lacking. But how?
My advice? Be an awesome INFJ. You are far better at the whole people thing than I may ever be. Make child-like art: it is supposed to be good for INFJs. I love INFJs, even if I can’t fully figure them out, and they don’t love me. I personally wish I was more like an ENFP.
I guess it is best to not focus too much on the drawbacks of a given MBTI type: it makes life worse.
INFJ enneagram 5 should be capable of doing the same.
All throughout school, I thought I was "slow learner" because I took my time to learn from the "ground up" but now you help me realize that it's simply my Ti working! I'm glad ro know that I'm not the only one who approaches learning this way.
Me too! I thought I was so slow, but as I've gotten older I've come to realize that the people who "learn" faster than me don't have knowledge that's as deep as mine.
This is very interesting, I for example am an INFJ and all throughout my academic education I’ve always panicked whenever I don’t understand a concept 100% (Ti), be it for an exam or for a project that needed to be delivered. I hate writing half assed explanations. I always need to feel like I understand each step, and if I don’t I usually rely on youtube to find a video that explains it in a very concise way and only then my stress levels go down lol
In exams, I care more about results than actually learning in depth unless it's a subject I'm passionate about. Throughout my education in maths, I applied formula to get passing grades and after getting grades it's over for me. I guess this video validated that I use Te over Ti.
Same ENTJ here! Although I don't freak out. I just go : Damn, I didn't understand even 1% of that shit.
This is what made studying take so long for me (INTP), and if it didn't seem like I had time to study it all, it made me kind of give up early lol
I used to work as sales, selling a lot of surveillance/security System like cctv, alarm, fingerprint and I always need to know how all these things is work or connected each other. It's frustrating me bcs on training days they only give a boring explanation without practical stuff how to operate it, I panicked a lot bcs I barely know these electronical stuff and I have to sell it to ppl too. So I learning by doing, or watching yt tutorial and it calms me a bit
As an INTP I've learned many skills and tasks on my own, but mostly beginning with instructions, which IMO is only logical and part of the research process. A perfect example is learning something via a YT video. You have to start out with didactic instruction to familiarize yourself with the item or process. Ultimately you'll figure out shortcuts or better ways of doing it. But to start out blindly with something that has a zillion parts or steps and think you're going to figure it out on your own is silly. I've tried that with software thinking that I was intuitive enough to figure it out, only to find out later that the instructions provided a better method.
currently 1:57am and starting a project due in for tomorrow .... have to swallow this bitter pill 😮
@@edomoeli1347 I only ever did that once and I started at 9PM--but didn't finish until 3AM. Most of the time I use a psychological trick that somehow works--I set deadlines ahead of the actual one, knowing I'll go down to the wire. Anyway, how did it go?
Ti user here - I do start out with instructions/procedures. Then I ditch them as soon as I understand the patterns and trust my knowledge enough to adjust. Sometimes I ditch them too early, which results in lower marks in school for things I deem overly particular.
Each step in Te land is more seperate and attached on each side to either the step before it and after it, while in Ti land there is no beginning or end, but rather a more hollistic system. The hollistic system (Ti) understanding is slower to aquire , but once the information is put together, very flexible and deep. Te is better and faster for default options and Ti is better when you need customised results slower. It's exactly the same for Fe and Fi. Fe is a "general understanding" and Fi is a "customised understanding"
Nicely put! Agree with the description. Its slower but reliable
I think of it like Te builds step-by-step procedures, whereas Ti builds templates.
Wait this is actually so true! For a while my boyfriend (INFP) and I (ENTP) were having the same types of arguments over and over. After most recent spat, I realized that it was Te/Ti conflict. He kept assuming we were on the "same page" with what he thought was the most obvious and efficient way to do something, and I kept getting offended because of my level of awareness of the subjectivity of logic and frameworks. I would get so mad and offended, and he couldn't understand why. After some talk about it we both understood that we were logically coming from two different places (Te/Ti) and it felt like a revelation. He's not as fluent in typology so I'm pretty excited to share this info with him lol.
INFP here. If you live in a different country the subjectivity of logic frameworks gets bashed into you
@@superAweber same here
Really thought I was a Te user before this video but just realized that I'm hardcore Ti. I even remember in algebra how my classmates were just breezing through the new concepts every day but if I were to learn something let's say in programming for example, even if I was told this would work I always need 100% clarification as to why and needed to test it out to see for myself or else I would just be stressed because I would worry that I didn't retain a satisfactory amount of information. It does kind of suck how as a result of this, I progress very slowly and it's not because I'm incapable but that Ti can be very stubborn until it knows everything about this one thing.
Late reply but I completely relate. A while back in my grade 12 math class, I didn’t do all that hot because we just blew through all the units (and maybe I didn’t do the homework:)) and I didn’t have all the pieces. My teacher would tell us to use the log button on the calculator, never explained why, just told us it worked, and it made me so frustrated. I ended up taking the class again, my first test mark went up 30%. My teacher was baffled but I just needed to take it all in with more time
@@goosesatan also late reply but i relate too, i always need time to process what i've learned and understand it on my own. like whenever i get a definition of something, or an instruction, i sort of deconstruct it to analyse all the aspects and figure it out using my own logic
and I'm so Te that it hurts, I'm prob Te dom
Ugh this is me
When I was the best in my 11 and 12th grade in math -> ( but my whole life i was only good in math and science... languages too but only at the beginning... later when you have to Analyse the meaning behind sth i got only a -> a 4 or 5 -> im from germany 1 is the best mark...)
Off All my "friends" ( i remember my whole life in the middle school i do this apprenticeship after school and then I have my liberation... in the 9th 10th grade i got friends.. -> and then in the 11th there were some of people of the other class in my old school -> but now they were in my class -> at first i was still independent and I knowed that I do this 11 and 12 year and then I do this apprenticeship from which I already knowed. But later I become friends with them and forget about my own Identity and didnt played no longer ps3.) And in class i Was the best in class and i didnt Took in seriously because i knowed from this one apprenticeship where my end/ legacy is.
Infp? Intp? Entp? Entj? Intj? Infj? Isfp? Istj? Isfj? Enfp?
I think personally -> infp infj intj. -> can someone who is infp -> inferior te -> thats why he is better in math as an dominant ti User?
When i remember I also learned also 1 day before the exam and wrote the best exam.
But I was also careless and now I see that when I am careless and absentminded I am better when I take everything seriously...
I Took this 11 and 12 grade
( and then again the 12 grade because i jumped from fhr to Ahr... -> you have to do this 12 class again -> but before my 13 class I decided to do my apprenticeship... 2020 -> but 2021 on another school I decided to again my last year of high school on a another School. )
Not seriously because I knowed my end/ legacy is this apprenticeship-> and that I knowed already when I was in 8th grade 2015 -> 2017 when i finished my 10 class -> I was so happy -> because now knowed " now only 2 year Part, high school and then my apprenticeship can Start..." but in the high school I changed my self because New people and then New things -> and I forgot also little bit about the apprenticeship and who I am.
-> 2015 I remember who I was and where I wanted to go and when I am Looking back -> I see-> I had no friends my whole life -> and 2016 till 2020 i was doing so much with my "friends" without knowing of 2015 -> ps3 and my Internet friends and of my knowing of my apprenticeship after the 10th grade.
-> but on the New school 2021 - i was stressed as fuck because of my apprenticeship from which I always knowed was gone -> and now I am in the last year of my high school and then I dont know further.
Remember, I come from a dysfunctional family and am the black sheep of the family and was beaten really badly in 2015, which was the reason why I wanted to finish my training quickly, but then I made friends in 2016 and yes.
Throughout my life I suffered from strange illnesses and had to go to the doctor and they didn't take me seriously. My parents didn't pay any attention to me.
Bad past with mother -> and my father was blind for years. but I'm fragile.
mother lied to father and I got beaten..
But you forget about that, just like when you've made friends, but now you part ways and yeah...
5th grade I cut my face and then told the class that my cat scratched me.
Then you got sunburned again on purpose so that the teacher could see you again and give you a tip because the first time she said that I should put cream on it.
-> and unfortunately I did something like that again in the 11th and 12th exams...
Because I found friends there -> maybe I allowed myself to be like that there because I knew my end would be somewhere else and this is just incidental.
-> should I send a recipe to my sister..milkshake-> accidentally sent it to a guy in my class and quickly deleted it -> the next day he talks to me about how he saw that -> and he became addicted to it and would also like to try this milkshake and I laughed... -> next time I should send a link like that to my sister
But this time I intentionally sent it to Oli from my class and then deleted it so that he would contact me again tomorrow.
Tertiary Ti user here. That’s true for me I really desire to understand how things work. I get frustrated with people who say that this is just “how the facts are”. No I need to understand why it is that way and the deep down underlying reason behind the external facts. I think both Introverted judging functions like to understand underlying motives. Fi is probably more about understand underlying emotional motives behind the external emotional values. Whereas Te and Fe seem more satisfied with just taking and applying what’s going on the external world either emotionally or rationally. Then using that data to make decisions.
Interesting to see a Ti user's perspective I consider myself a Te user, and I've never cared to understand how things work. I've always felt like it was a waste of time, when I could just apply the facts/knowledge and get quick results instead. For example, in school, I only memorized the facts to get good grades, but I never cared about understanding.
I only care to understand how things work if having an understanding of those things leads to a beneficial outcome (e.g. understanding how the stock market/specific stocks work to make more money). Otherwise, I derive very little pleasure from just 'understanding' things. I feel like personality theory has been the only thing that I've cared to understand for its own sake, but even that has a practical outcome (e.g. learning what my weaknesses are, how to better my strengths, etc.)
I do question the facts though and don't just accept them at face value (though i could be tricked into accepting facts if they support my closely held worldview), e.g. the "facts" need to make sense and lead to a beneficial outcome (Ni). If the facts lead to a useless outcome, then the facts have no value.
@@LoveSidekick Wow same! What's your mbti type?
@@allison1385 INTJ or ENTJ i guess
But wtf I'm infp but I wanna know all that too but ig it's cuz im autistic
Still watching the video, but I just wanted to stop for a second and say your nail polish looks really cute on you!
It does! 8:22 and it matches her little butterfly hair clip
@@mutantmacrophage6653 ppl
Very spot on about Ti. Being an INFJ graphic designer I find it tedious to follow photoshop instructions because who knows if that’s the best way of doing an outline?! Just tell me what each function does and I’ll figure the best way out myself. Interesting to see that you somehow got to the same conclusion as the guys at Objective Personality. They explain it as Ti and Fi relate to identity, so Ti users have an internal logic system (don’t tell me instructions), vs Fi having an internal value system (don’t tell me how to feel). Thus, having no internal values as an FJ, we’re so easily swayed by the feelings of other people (whom we Ti respect for their expertise or intelligence) to inform our decision making.
Everyone figures this stuff out they're just calling it different things and most of them don't realize other people (but not everyone) are like them. They either think everyone is or most people aren't.
Read a self-help book. It's not going to be exactly the same, but you'll see MBTI littered all throughout.
Wow. Please never stop posting your videos. All this inside knowledge about the mbti system is very interesting!
Ti- converts abstract ideas into a concrete framework
Te- converts concrete examples into a general rule which could be applied
As an ENTJ, I definitely don't want the whole pyramid of information, I just want to pull out the one brick that I need right away! I like to change other people's structures and put my own spin on it but I like taking their templates as a starting point. I definitely don't want to hear a long-winded backstory of how they got to that though, I just want to take what I need and go! In my projects, the content itself will be creative and original (coming from aux Ni) but the structure/format of how I present it, will usually follow how it's being done by others.
Very interesting!! I tend to see it more like: Ti cares about the journey/process (of figuring it out) while Te wants efficiency and results, and following/giving directions sometimes just seems like the more efficient way. I like the pyramid analogy very much. As INTJ I agree, my Te is super present, but my primary function is intuitive and boy do they butt heads sometimes. Ps. there's another mbti youtuber I follow, Asura Psych, he once said something like for an INTJ to grow they need to stop seeing themselves as a thinking type and accept that they are an intuitive type. Really hit me hard :)
"Ti cares about the journey/process (of figuring it out)" It's definitely not this. If you give me a complete explanation I will take it, I just can't take a partial explanation that can't be replicated in other cases. Is very common in a Ti vs Ti argument that they end up agreeing (one adopt the vision of the other)
@@renand3z Cool, you've definitely put it into words much better that I can as a non-Ti person! I think by journey/process I was trying to say exactly that, the complete explanation and the search for accuracy and having all the details. Sometimes as Te person I'll go "ok, no idea how and why this works but it gets the job done." Maybe I'll research it some other time for pure intellectual curiosity but it's not necessary IF it works. From my experience with Ti people that just doesn't work, they want the how and why first. I may be wrong though, feel free to explain it better from your own experience! Always happy to learn how people work :)
@@andreeadobre3190 jesus, so polite. Did you have Fe parents that bullied u? Definitely worked lol, never saw an intj with that much Fe and I know some.
We Ti users want to know the why and how bc if not, the thing will fail later. It's a deeper and more complete method but way more time-consuming. I go to the gym, I could have done it in a Te way "do this proved thing that works for most people" But bc Ti is a bitch I had to understand everything about muscles. Now I got more progress than other people and I can easily adapt my methods to different people and machines. If a machine breaks, I know how to adapt to other machines. If I need to hit some specific muscle I invent some variation of the exercise on the spot. If some friend is not feeling certain muscle in their machine, I know how to analyze their body and suggest a different posture or machine. Most people do in a Te-way so they grow fast but end up plateauing later, and they don't know how to fix, bc they don't understand how they got there. So they overdo to gain more muscles and end up injured.
So your comment is mostly right (like every Te method xD), but this thing that we like to figure out in our own way to get enjoyment is not true at all. If someone knows their shit and explains to us (deeply), we generally get attached to the person bc they saved us so much time. Ofc we enjoy it when we understand something, it's an accomplishment after all. But we don't refuse opinions so we can't get an "ego-win (oh discovered alone)", this is more a Fi thing I think, Ti really doesn't care about authorship and merit.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the word "results." For Te, completing a task is all about the end result, about achieving the desired outcome. For Ti users, completing a task is about executing it in a way that lines up with their pure, internalised logical ideal. They want to understand the mechanics of the task and enact it in the most optimised way.
When push comes to shove, Te will sacrifice optimisation and perfection for efficiency and speed, while Ti will sacrifice efficiency and speed for optimisation and perfection.
@@renand3z interesting what you said about politeness and had the person been bullied by Fe parents, and you suggested they were using Fe. I would say this was Fi they were using. In exactly the same way that you said about Ti's happily utilising something if they see it is clearly the best way to do it. Fi's will do the same.
Interesting video!
Te: “Does it work?”
Ti: “How does it work?”
As an INTP, I have trouble following and remembering a procedure unless I know the why behind the steps. I hate following recipes.
I highly agree with that fi against more of a script form. My brother is an ti dom and this totally relates to him and he works in i.t and enjoys breaking apart each detail to fix a computer problem, he thinks of it as an art p.s thank you for your informative videos! ^__^
my favorite ASMRist watches my favourite MBTIst :O
As an INTP if I'm doing something i've never done before I want or even need instructions. Not because I wouldn't be able to do it but because the way I would do it without instructions will surely be different from how I'm expected to do it. After knowing how I'm I supposed to do it i make changes to make it my own or to make it better.
Ones I know how to do something I don't want to follow instructions, I want to do it my own way.
Yep agree, I'm the INTP mentioned in the vid. From our discussion in Discord, we've agreed the difference lies more in the thought process and tendencies. Even when following instructions, I'm always looking beyond the steps to try to understand what's going on behind the scenes to form a basic mental model which I can use for future reference (rather than just taking the instructions at face value). So I tend to kind of almost skim instructions and go back and forth to look up certain concepts, unless I simply don't care about the subject. By understanding the concepts, I then have less need to look up specific instructions yay :D
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@@zereon i know, don't know why I wrote it that way, lol.
I agree .. i usually understand the concept and see the final result of someone else's work as a refrence of how my work should be .. then doing it my own way not paying attention to the steps .. even though later on i make adjustments in my mind to the reference (how my work should be)
If I do something for fun for example: producing. I like learning things on my own rather than watching a tutorial. But If I have to do something like idk cooking, then I don't have time to mess around since I'm probably hungry so I follow the recipe because it's more likely I'll get a good result.
As a dominant Ti user, I understand why and how things work from the ground up. If I forget how to do something I can just re-figure out how to do it from components of knowledge. This also allows me to go off script and invent my own methods rather than just memorising things. From my perspective I''ve always felt I learn concepts in school faster than most of my peers for this reason.
PS There is a button that outlines text actually. It's called a layer style. - stroke.
at the end where you talked about Fe and Fi was so eye opening to me. i'm an ISTP (at least i'm like 95% sure) so ofc i have low Fe but i definitely experience the "script" thing because i do not know how to act emotionally most of the time so having a script to go off of makes things easier. i had to teach myself how to socialise better through this, like learning appropriate reactions to things that don't say anything to me (maybe emotional reactions to something where i'd just go it's wtv). i don't want to seem or be rude but some things i just don't care about enough to have a real reaction to so learning how to express understanding has been helpful - i'm definitely less socially constipated than i was a few years ago thanks to this 😭
i also noticed with Ti that i prefer just doing things.. most of the time when i do something for the first time and there's instructions (like building or playing a new game or smth else) i just ignore what's written in front of me and do it. maybe this is more thanks to my Se because i'm more up for the first hand experience even if my knowledge isn't good on that certain thing, i learn much better by doing something than just listening or reading, yes i'm much more efficient when i know something well but learning things through first hand experience is fun too - and i deal with failure quite well because trial and error ig? equally tho, if i know something then why would i need to be told what to do - i'd just do it. it's that simple. instructions are just a waste of time, so is planning ahead. there are instances where i am capable of following instructions and they are helpful, but they can become very restrictive in my opinion, and then i feel like a robot by not being allowed to use my own brain or implement my own methods or knowledge. like starting at a new job? yes tell me my role and what is expected of me, give me the necessary training but don't tell me how to execute something if the process doesn't affect the result.
INFP with INTP parent. I TOTALLY agree. For example, when my dad and I cook. When dad cooks he doesn't follow a recipe (even though he knows NOTHING about cooking XD ). I prefer to follow a recipe (from which I might change a few measurements or something since I don't like to feel boxed in lol). And I have to look up the recipe at least 5 or 6 times before I start to remember it. But while I do prefer to follow a recipe, usually nothing I make is ever exactly the same. I like to change things slightly every time so that I feel creative and it's a new experience.
My brother is also an INTP, and, in the rare instance that he wants to cook, he REFUSES to read a recipe XD.
BTW thanks for helping to prove that INFPs are badasses and can work hard and do stuff on their own, and are, in fact, often better off for it.
I consider myself an INTP and I would swallow my useless pride and follow the damn instructions while building my pyramid of cooking skills. Eventually when I'm good enough I'll improvise.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Maybe it does not have much to do with pride? I find understanding stuff by figuring it out myself easier than following instructions
And as an INTJ, I glance at a recipe and then follow Ni while following the general guide but adding my own touch. I spent a long time (years) getting to know how heat levels impact different pots/pans/foods, so that I have that knowledge to maneuver things on a stovetop without thinking too much, Te. Baking is boring as hell though and frankly sucks lol.
I follow the recipe when I cook cause for some reason I want the thing I made to look exactly like the thing in the video.I make small changes like you do(like spices).But that happens when I see something that I liked so much.I do like to experiment with the food a lot.I like combining things.Pretty sure that I am a Ti user but your comment confused me a lot.Like a lot a lot.When my enfj dad cooks he just does what he wants and he is not afraid about screwing things up.Without a recipe I dont know how much I will add something,how long ı will cook something I know nothing.This tought of not to know something
I follow a recipe while cooking because I don't like and don't care about cooking so I want to finish it asap.
I have to look up the rules to a board game to find out exactly how it’s supposed to be played. My wife gets impatient about that and would rather figure it out as we go or even change the rules. Same goes for preparing a meal. I’m ENFP and she’s INFJ.
I do the same as you (INFJ) and my sister does the same as your wife (INTJ). My ESTJ boss is hands-on ‘intuitive’ like my sister.
Is this why when I(INTP) ask my s.o.(INTJ) why he is doing something a certain way, he responds, "Because that is how it is done?"
INTJ can struggle to explain the why of things. The conclusion is intuitively obvious ("that's just how it's done") but lacking Si, Se and Ti we don't carefully consider the step by step processes; mostly the framework and the bigger picture. The ISTJ will say "because that is how it is done (within the parameters of the procedure)." It's important to consider INTJs as Ni users *more* than Te users, since Ni is the dominant function.
We all need to perform tasks. As an INTP I don't feel the need to immediately know the reason or background behind every task I perform or every bit of information I encounter. I just don't have the time to research everything--especially since so much is done last minute. However at some time down the road this information will become known to me, dots will connect, I will find it interesting and useful, and the world will be a better place. :-)
"So much is done last minute" so true, all I care is meeting the deadline in last night, I can learn later, too.
From what i understand a Ti user wants to know why something is true whereas a Te user wants use a truth for a goal
I’m INFP but I use the Ti process of figuring things out. I know a lot of random facts and ways to do things because I tend to figure out the principles behind them, and then I can apply it to other related things. I can’t just memorize facts without understanding the principles first. Give me instructions and it takes me 10x longer than other people to finish because I pause a million times to think things through 😂
I also micro analyze my emotions and where they’re coming from, as well as other people’s emotions and reactions lol.
That's exactly like me, I prefer to understand things or figuring them out than just memorizing facts or following instructions.
For exmple, people is so quick repeating things while I just can't do it unless I use all my concentration
Why do you believe you are an INTP??
Sounds like an intp to me
@@l_ishigami489 do you mean Infp? I’ve taken the test many times but honestly, it’s very subjective. I have a theory that you actually use your 8th shadow function in a similar way to your dominant function, because it comes from a similar place. For instance, if I use the introverted judging function of Fi to make decisions, it means I prefer introverted judging. Therefore, I’d probably engage in Ti use as well.
I thought of this first from observing my ENFP friend (who leads with Ne), as she uses Se so much, albeit in a clumsy way. I think another way to put it is we enjoy using our 8th function. What do you think?
Edit: INTPs value individuality, right? That’s a very Fi thing as well. I think feelings and thought, sensing and intuiting are more interrelated than MBTI suggests.
@@rangkara7201 😂 stop don’t confuse me more. Lolllll
This is so weird because I have both Fe and Te, which can’t be right. Fe because I am definitely not Fi, my actions and opinions are usually influenced by other people’s opinions. I always worry about what other people think or feel. And Te because I like to follow rules, I do things perfectly this way. For instance in a school project if there are specific instructions I tend to follow them exactly how they are, and add just a few stuff to make the project more interesting. I do not trust myself enough to do everything on my own lol.
Same position the more reason we need to develop Ti (in my case). As you are on the Te and Fe balanced try to search infos about Fe-Ti and Te-Fi. There has to be more dominant on Fe and Te.
I scored 52% on F and the latter on T. I'm more an Fe user in most cases but I've seen where Te is more mindful to use. Try to learn more about the combos and you'll surely know.
Try to understand and relate to this:
"When Ti and Fe are well-developed, a person is able to think of a solution that minimizes harm or, in the best case scenario, is a win-win for everyone involved. When Ti and Fe are imbalanced, a person becomes too extreme in judgment, either childishly rejecting all viewpoints but one’s own (Ti extreme) or getting overwhelmingly confused and unable to sort out too many conflicting viewpoints (Fe extreme)."
Link: mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/142863816372/type-spotting-te-v-ti
Ti types care about the reasons they like something and Te types care about the reasons other people like something.
IMO the Ti vs Te descriptions in socionics are pretty spot on. I never understood why the West rejects socionics and then still goes round and round in MBTI with all the different opinions.
As an ENFP (Te users) I always wondered why all textbooks basically start of with explaination of componants and only then end with the big picture.. when studying I would get so frustrated that I was studying for something that I didnt even know what it was conceptually (in its entirety). Sometimes I would love to study backwards - getting the big/final picture and only then I would get enough interest to learn about the details. Details would then have sense to me.
You should do a collaboration with Frank James! (He's INFJ :) )
also Bogdan Yakubets (watch his elevator vids make sure to watch the istp one last(epic)), before alex left I could have seen them doing some crazy mbti roleplaying stuff, still possible with just the three
Is he really though?
This is so great. I completely identify with what you said. I’m an ENFP and in high school I was really good at math and maybe even art because I was given a specific task to “perform.” Whereas in the social sciences, which were not as “linear” in the instructions, I would get frustrated at having to come up with my own thinking. Someone close to me is an INFJ and sometimes when she’s struggling to get something done I just start telling her every step to follow and I can see a blank stare on her face and often just get an “yeah… I’ll figure it out” response.
In social situations, I hate to sound like I get my phrases or conversations from an “instructions manual” so to speak, so I try to be as authentic socially as I can. This doesn’t always yield the best results but it feels soooo unnatural to do the “most accepted” or “effective” thing in those situations. Whereas my INFJ friend literally says she follows a script when she’s in a social situation. She’s very good at choosing the right thing to say and I’ve never heard her say it bothers her to do that… though she’s still introverted so being in social situations is draining to begin with.
Also at work and in anything I learn, I’m totally one to grab the pyramid and look up what I need to know. Haha. I’ve done that with the whole Adobe suite. Whereas my INFJ friend went through a course and is very bothered if it seems like I’m not doing something as it “logically” should be done. I do it in an effective way, whether I know all the functionalities of a tool or not, I’ll still use it. But if she’s using a tool, she has to know what every box does.
Anyway, just supporting your analysis. Thanks so much!
It's interesting how I felt INFP vibes from your stare/look/way of speaking
Ti user here (INTP). I think up about ten or so different ways to do the same thing in Photoshop, or in any software, and will know what needs to be done, but never remember the steps and I can not even force myself to follow a tutorial, I like watching tutorials, but I have to do something entirely different and will generally even try to achieve a similar effect by doing it my way. I do things this way even when I am very new to something. In Photoshop 90% of my time is spent trying to find where a menu item is. I work out how to do things logically each time I do them, and I generally don't memorise the steps.
This video series is really great. I watch a lot of MBTI channels but you are great at explaining things from a unique perspective that's really useful for differentiating the functions. Keep up the good work!
Undecided INxP here. Once again I relate very strongly to everything you said about both Ti and Fi, but not so much Te and Fe.
It just doesn't make sense.
Jack G
I feel the same:)
have you figured it out yet?
@@candletabletop154 Sooo that was a year ago. My personality changed a lot, and I thought I might actually be an INFJ.
I realized I couldn't type myself because I was undergoing personal growth, and that was a good thing, so I stopped worrying about it.
I no longer feel the need for 4 letters to tell me who I am. I'm still interested in MBTI but I realized it's not as useful as I was trying to make it be.
By the 4-letter dichotomy, just looking at the letters, I am probably an INFP.
If someone like Calypso were to visually type me, she would probably say I'm an INTJ or ISFP.
So no, I don't really know my type, but it's not something to worry about. You can still learn a lot about MBTI and grow just by understanding the types you *might* be.
hi i’m an INFP :) , i just wanted to say that Beyond the dominant and auxiliary, the functions do not necessarily fall in any order (of “strength” or otherwise). So it’s possible to identify with a shadow function more than your inferior. the inferior is the most consciously suppressed, while the shadows are usually unconsciously controlled, and may be more noticable, because they’re even more “not me” (when compared to the dom. and aux.). Another theory adds a dynamic of brain lateralization, where Fi and Ti are both in the right hemisphere, and Ti will actually serve as an “alternate” for Fi, when the dominant can’t solve a problem. (as you mature the tertiary, Si will then fill that role more).
note : A lot of INFPs seem to use Ti actually. FiNeSiTe is the commonly accepted function stack, but it’s only a theory, developed by neither Myers or Jung but by Grant. There are others theories, and none of them have been empirically proven or disproven.
I think we can agree that all INFPs use Fi and Ne by definition but the rest is kind of disputable. Along with those two main functions, I don’t see why different life experiences can’t lead to you develop other functions more or less strongly. Everyone’s different..
I don't really like following instructions because it takes me a while to understand how it works and I'm slow when it comes to following directions, especially written instructions. Exploring and figuring out how things work helps me to learn (even if it will take longer), because I'm not relying on the instructions or trying to remember it, rather by forming my own "instruction", I am likely to retain that knowledge.
Metaphysics. Intp loves metaphysics.
Haha so true
TE is top down reaching to an Fi point and Ti is building up from a Ti point reaching an Fe system
(INTP) We do not remember, we understand. And we figure things out.
1) When I was a student, on a Differential Equations course I stated that "I am not interested in methods, I'll figure a solution by myself"... and I did.
2) When my wife tried to teach me painting, I rejected her instructions saying " I will do it my way"
I like formative vs. performative. can't think of better terms
Whoa, you nailed it! (INFJ).
I think these 2 functions cause the most confusion between people. Te are all about what is and what works in world now, Ti are more about how things work and therefore how they could work differently. Similar with Ni versus Si.
Yeah as an ENFP, I relate a lot to what you've said about Te. When I was learning to draw, the first thing I did was look at a bunch of tutorials with step-by-step processes on what to do to make a specific drawing. I would make my own observations in my mind as I kept mimicking these videos, which helped me branch out and start making my own drawings from scratch. If I were to cook a dish, I'd find a very specific step-by-step tutorial on said dish and follow it. Then, next time I make the dish I'd change up a few parts of it and observe the results. I also typically follow exact measurements without needing to know why, I will only really question them if I'm with another person and find it interesting or fun to get their perspective on. If I got a new electronic machine of some kind, and there were lots of buttons on it, I wouldn't care to learn why every single button is there and what it does. If there was a specific button I needed to use at the time, I'd learn about that one by itself and then use it.
Also, in school, let's say algebra class for example, I only felt the need to zone in on the specific areas of a subject that I thought would matter for a test, or that would cover a lot of ground. I can see how Te is viewed as being efficient because of that. I wanted to learn the least amount possible to perform the most. Unfortunately, this messes me up sometimes. There are a few topics I am super invested in, a couple being MBTI and Enneagram personality types. I am also generally interested in psychology and sociology. The problem is that I keep gathering just enough info to help me with a certain question (ex. a specific question on Fi vs Fe to help me understand a character's typology better), but not enough to assist me in future questions. Whereas a Ti user would probably spend more time understanding every MBTI function from the ground up, I only really zone in on one at a time, and even then may zone in further at what parts of that function helps me with my current, specific question. I also often have to go back and reread questions I have already asked multiple times over. AAAAAAAAAA, although I enjoy my Te at times, I really respect Ti users thinking moreso...
@@LightningShade12 LMAOO that reminds me of my intp friend, are you intp perhaps or nah?
on sewing: my mom (unknown mbti) learned to sew through the school system in the 60s and 70s so she know of an "proper" "right" way to sew and is really clean and good with it, I, an INTP, learned to sew as an autodidact i do whatever feels right and most often get really good (impressive i guess) results. It's impossible for us to sew anything together because if something isn't right but i hate doing it and don't feel like putting in the effort (or if i just don't know the "righ" way) i'll wing it to correct it along the way but i hate being micromanaged, for my mom if something isn't done the "right" way, she assumes the whole piece has turned into garbage and there is no way for it to ever look okay, her mind will bug out and she'll implode
I'm however quite easily influenced and i kinda have to have internalised a system or rules to do something, kinda like a computer having to blindly go through it's coding until it falls on a bug and everything crashes down, it feels like it's more linked to my Si than my Ti though
As an ISFJ regarding following the social script is so true. I usually don't care about it and because of that I end up in akward situations. My help is my sister who usually says "you are supposed to say this and do that" which helps, but to me it's kind of meaningless tbh. Also about the Ti being tertiarry, sometimes I want to know why this happen(a recent example is that a shirt got little after I washed it, so I start searching why this happens and apparently is because the animal fibers revert back to their original state when washed on high temperatures or high spins).
I have primary Ti and I hate building knowledge "pyramids". It's so inefficient and full of irrelevant stuff. I'd rather build a tower straight up. Maybe it's not that stable, and maybe I can't build it that high, but at least every piece in that tower is useful
thanks! very interesting. as an ENTJ having some close INTP friends, I could relate to it all.
never thought of the part where you say Fe users are more willing to follow emotional patters, while Fi users will kind of find there emotional path. fascinating. thanks!
This makes a lot of sense and fits with what I've seen in others based on type. I'm an INTJ (flirted with the idea I might be INFJ for a while, but came back around because, according to Objective Personality, if I have masculine Te and feminine Fi, that makes me feel like I might have Fe, and I might be a jumper, so Ni and Fi saviors also make me feel like a feeler--my flow state isn't intuitive thinking, I have to make an effort and I find it draining...my flow state is intuitive creativity, like writing narrative fiction), and I see Te playing out exactly like this. My preferred style is to learn something new by following the instructions of an expert, and from there, once I understand the system well enough, I can start to play around with it and optimize. But if you give me a new system and tell me to figure it out for myself, I hate it. I'll tinker around to see if I recognize anything, but if I don't, I'll turn to Google or seek out an expert to help me.
Similarly, I make a lot of Excel macros for work, but unlike a Ti user who would first set out to learn VBA from the bottom up in order to code from scratch, I just Googled what I want the macro to do and copy/paste the VBA code and adjust settings to make it fit my parameters. Over time, sure, I have learned some code along the way, but I have only internalized some of the basics as well as some of the overall logic. When I need a new macro that does something I have in an old macro, I still have to look up the old macro and find the relevant code in order to copy/paste again. So I have a reputation at work for being a macro master, but really I'm not--I'm really good at seeing the Ni overview of what I want the macro to do and Frankensteining the macro from bits and pieces of other macros.
5:19 that's me with how to screenshot on a Macbook..
same😭😭
I'm INTJ, so Te is in my second slot. I prefer to jump in and try something first, but will then google it after ten minutes. The main thing that concerns me is usually 'does this work intuitively?'. Then I either get grumpy and think 'this should work _this_ way, not *that* way', or I write documentation on how to find the easiest way into something, and how to make it intuitive. And get paid for it. ;-)
I thought following instructions was more of an Si thing? Focusing on the details and repeating the "tried and true" routine? I get Te vs Ti in terms of external vs internal legitimization of logic and how others' thoughts are regarded, but when it comes to the more "problem-solving" elements particular to a task, I find there is some confusing overlap between the way Te and Si are explained in conflicting definitions from different systems. Like, how do you differentiate a Te focus on standardization from an Si focus on following the tried-and-true procedure? Is it just the rationalization behind why it's being followed? Because that seems easy to misinterpret.
I've actually always considered myself good at following instructions (and writing instructions!) but I thought that was because of my attention to detail. If it's something that's outside of my area of expertise, like fixing a car, I can follow instructions by the book. But I hate people trying to tell me how best to do things (which seems anti-Te). I prefer to figure it out for myself, doing my own research and looking at manuals if necessary. Unsolicited advice I generally see as yet another biased or flawed opinion. When it comes to something like cooking, I almost never follow a recipe... That's boring and unoriginal. In that sense, instructions are like "suggestions" or "recommendations" and I might mish-mash ideas from different recipes together and put my own spin on it... But I think that's more of an Ne thing?
Can you offer some clarification on Te vs Si in this context? Like, when is a to-do list Te goals to check off a list and when is it an Si routine? Would it only then be about repetition? Or efficiency? This seems confounding to me for some reason.
Following instructions here seem to be a Te Si combination. It's hard to differentiate both as each of the functions have different motives, yet the result behavior is about the same. The real way to differentiate would be Te Ni vs Te Si and Si Te vs Si Ti to see the actual differences.
I had the same thought. I thought that following tried and true instructions was more about Si than the thinking functions. It's hard to tease them apart.
Definitely agree. Ni is the dominant function for INTJ, so even though they are Te secondary, they are going to go with a process that makes intuitive sense and simply use Te to prove or implement that intuition. They (we) cannot take information at face value, Ni is always going to look for the entire meaning or potential of a thing or concept when initially perceiving it. The tried and true knowledge is only considered insofar as building a pattern network out of which the Ni comes forth. Also, with Se being opposing and Si being demon function, engaging with physical systems will be taxing (take menial, repetitive tasks or jigsaw puzzles asexamples). (I'm INTJ) In the Jungian archetypal model the primary function greatly dominates the rest.
I follow instructions in the things I don't value much but I'm obliged to do such as cooking, fixing, maths (it's ok as long as the result is passing). I also google things such as "how to do this in autocad" as a short cut for not losing time. However, I hate instructions in the things I'm passionate about such as art, I don't follow technics nor I don't find references to draw, I want to do it in my own way, outside of the box, regardless of the previous artworks. I'm also against art school because I think they are killing imagination by making students follow the instructions to draw with the same procedure.
I know I'm very late to the party here, but here's how I understand the difference between the two functions, and the differences which underlie the apparent similarities you mentioned.
Si is procedural memory. Si doesn't learn by following a set of instructions, but usually by being shown how to do it by someone, in a hands-on kind of way. It's the internalised memory of carrying out a task in a certain way, reinforced by repetition. The more it's repeated, the more it's favoured over novel methods. But it isn't favoured because it's the generally accepted way, established by a collective consensus (that's a Te consideration), but because it's the way that is familiar to the Si user. It's a personal thing, stemming from the individual's attachment to their own experiences. It's the 'tried and tested,' sure, but it's what's tried and tested for the individual, in their personal experience. It just so happens that this will often coincide with the generally accepted, 'traditional,' which is to say collectively tried and tested, way.
A set of instructions is a procedure codified into a language of external logic, which is to say the language of Te. It might be described as an Si procedural memory stored externally and in a form designed to be easily understood by Te. You need to have some level of Te to be able to follow instructions easily.
So a person with both high Si and high Te (i.e. STJs) will be very good both at learning how to do something by following instructions (Te) and also internalising and remembering the procedure (Si) which is codified in those instructions.
My mum is an ISFJ (so dominant Si and tertiary Ti, and Te blindspot), and she finds it really difficult to follow a set of instructions. Any new thinking-type system or problem she encounters has to be processed through her own subjective sense of logic, and it takes her a long time to figure things out, but she's extremely practical and skilled and knows how to do all kinds of different things, because it's stored up in her head in the form of experiential, procedural memory.
I, on the other hand, have strong Te and basically no Si. I find it really easy to follow instructions, and will follow rules and instructions meticulously, and enjoy it. But my procedural memory is so bad that if I go for a month without, for example, boiling an egg, I will actually forget how to do it. My brain just throws out the information if it's not in regular use, and I have to ask someone to remind me how to do it, or look it up on the internet.
WTF!!! I AM SO STRONG IN BOTH. This is driving me crazy.
So I'm an INFJ. And when writing Statements of Purpose etc., I often feel like "Yeah, alright! Everyone has hopes and desires. But exactly WHY I have THESE hopes is what will show them who I am." So I think of my reasoning as more personal to me, yes! Ti. Like you say at 8:30
People here casually spitting out they are (infj) is just fascinating
Yeah, I know right. It's really annoying... I mean, I'm an INFJ, but I don't do that because it's stupid...
Everyone is infj, it's odd to see that much infjs.
I’m always typed as a INTP but sometimes relate a lot to the INTJ as I’m kinda lazy sometimes and just do whatever to get to the goal without thinking. I like thinking though, maybe thats why I’m typed as Ti but often quite lazy to think
TI: If you have all the abstract logic inside your mind you can create new conections and discover new possibilities for a task or even apply a concept to another work you might do in the future.
INTJ’s like making directions and instructions. Which I think fits within the whole paradigm you’re proposing: Te users like instructions in general.
Yeah I suppose this is why my INTJ friend orders me around without me even noticing most of the time LOL.
I will WANT to start out doing something by going at it on my own. I'll try to figure something out. But it's just too big. I can't take something and know exactly where to start. I have to go step by step. But I hate being told what to do (at least by someone who feels domineering, or when what they tell me to do something, it puts me down). If it's more or less "you should try this" instead of "DO EXACTLY THIS RIGHT NOW" then I'm better.
For example, if I'm trying to write a program to do something. I'll be like, "okay I know how to do this!" *goes off to figure it out* "Uhhhhhhh...." *doesn't know where to even start* "Here you should try something like this, start here" *understands where to begin* "I got this now!" *continues on smoothly*
I don't like to be trapped in instructions but it's useful to have a skeleton of how things work given so that I can get grasp of what I'm doing.
I work as a study counselor. I am really good at my job but for factual information about university courses and other bullshit details, i always have to go look it up. Its in my opinion because I don’t think that remembering all those mechanical steps are any important
What makes me a TJ is that i don't know what i am thinking about unless i say it out loud and hear myself. Kind of useless when i am alone and I like to be alone.
Use diagram, images, visual representation to make your point easily.
I'm an ISFP and my brother just took the test and got INTP (I feel it's accurate). I see that our function stacks are LITERALLY UPSIDE-DOWN. We used to fight a lot. Is there something that we can find common ground in? Are there any examples you have of an INTP and ISFP personality finding harmony in some way?
Conspiracy theories, beer, and food. I'm serious.
Usually isfps and intps get along
Yesss it's so true. I'm an infp and my fourth function is te. When i started editing videos on my computer a couple of months ago i tried to watch videos about this app to figure out how everything works there... But 10 minutes later i decided that it's not efficient at all and why on earth would i do it when i just can google for instruction for one exact task? That's basically how i learn everything.
I am an INTP and I agree with pretty much all of this traits outlined
this was soooo spot on!!
I feel like I am so good at both Ti and Te now! Honestly I am enjoying the Enneagram more these days.
Nowadays I started to value enneagram over mbti. It seems more insightful and useful as one can decide their enneagram quicker. I've been researching mbti for nearly a year but I'm still not sure about my type. According to this video, I prefer Te over Ti.
I can relate. Ennegream has been much more helpful for me than mbti. I realized that mbti is kind of too precise and stereotypical. Like I can't be more than this or that.
Excellent, concise explanations and analogies. Thank you!
You are so pretty with your style... Congrats for that! :)
I think I'm an ENTP. Almost certain at this point to be honest. I work in software and often have to build complex systems that interact in weird ways.
If I do have Ti then my experience of it isn't that Ti users think "logic" is subjective. Most of the time "logic" is objective. I think the subjective aspect of Ti is the framework of logical connections which build our worldview.
The more dig into this the less certain I am if my explanation is specific to NTPs. It feels as though we learn discreet pieces of information we know (or believe) to be true. There's a belief that these are axioms, but I think that's not a valid term as these building blocks can be aggregations of other building blocks. A Ti user can build an entirely different world view based on what these building blocks have determined to be true.
E.g. What is healthy food?
This question is far too complex to have a clear answer but often a Ti user will give their interpretation of healthy based on the building blocks they've established on healthy foods.
These facts could be:
- Saturated fat causes heard disease
- Eat more fibre
Which could be completely different from someone else who learned a separate set of facts on what healthy food is based on the experiences/information they've been exposed to.
Ti is the why. Why are things connected. Why things work.
If we're talking Mathematical proofs, Si/Ni patterns are the steps and Ti is the process of walking through them to see if the connections are valid.
Something I often have to do as part of my job is think about scenarios which don't exist.
E.g. What will happen if we make these changes to our software system?
In these moments I will essentially go through almost simulation style scenarios in my head. I essentially do a "proof" through the known facts (with the addition of the change) until either something breaks (the change will cause issues because x y z) or the simulations seem to work out.
It's like Ti is the process of following the logical connections until it passes/fails the internal checks.
I imagine that process is just Ne Ti in some form.
Not sure if this is helpful or just a caffeine fuelled ramble, I thought I'd write down my thoughts as I know you've mentioned struggling to comprehend Ti before.
Hope you're doing well Calypso, glad you're putting out new videos again :)
Tertiary Ti here: With the Photoshop example, when it comes to learning new programs and features, I'd try to play around and figure it out. If I can't get something, then I'll look for a tutorial on TH-cam.
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No Calypsoooo. I can’t concur. I hate following instructions- ENTJ verified by you. I hate following any instructions. I’ll glance over the idea, but do my own thing. I think it’s an Si/Se thing. I love researching until I figure out my own system.
High Tes give instructions. They also prefer doing actions that work.
I wish I had Ti, but yeah as an ENFP I have tertiary Te so I need to know what the instructions are more or less in terms of whats logical. I think in other aspects like my Fi I don't like conforming to how I'm supposed to feel, so I hate when someone tells me to calm down or smile when I don't want to.
When someone tells me to cheer up I look more grumpy lol.
The INFP having a 'low' Te is largely a myth, with the type often excelling in both academic and hard-science environments :)
If it's a myth, then the MBTI is wrong because Te is their inferior function, by definition. If there is some explanation for how they can compensate for having inferior Te, or why they learn to use it better than other types learn to use their inferior function, I'd like to hear it. I could believe it that they tolerate using a lot of Te when doing so is necessary for the sake of something they care about.
We can develop it, but using it for long periods of time is exhausting. We certainly can excel in academics because you don't have to be strong in TE to do that, and we can excell in hard-science environments, because even in "hard-science" there is an element of creativity, a big picture, a goal (and also, probably instructions, like Calypso was saying).
Great responses! A function differs in varying attributes/modes of expression according to its place in the stack - INFPs will indeed find using Te in order to make decisions, plan and formulate their own set of instructions and external frameworks. However, they often excel at, as Calypso said, following instructions and working a pre-existing Te framework - this does not imply a low Te in any sense, but simply a lack of Te-decision making. These are two entirely different concepts.
The reasons listed above are exactly why the INFP is better suited to the two fields I mentioned than Te convergents, as they excel in carrying out step-by-step procedures to a degree of excellence while simultaneously understanding the reasons behind them. INFPs are not mindless drones but rather a type fully connected to external order while aware of the deeper infrastructure behind it owing to the Ne lens the function is connected to. This is a Te user :)
Brendan Golledge
I’ve read in many articles that INFPs chose academic fields quite often, and as children grasp scientific concepts with ease.
@@zain4019 An alternative explanation to being super good with their inferior function is that they have Ne as their tool function and Ni as their critical parent (strongest shadow function). Their Si also shouldn't be that bad if they are mature. That would seem to indicate to me that they can understand the ideas just fine, but might have a harder time deciding rationally what is effective and what isn't. My inferior function is Se and I was complimented once during a science class that my reports were very detailed. I did not actually like the details, but thought of it as the bullshit part of the assignment that I just have to do for a couple hours so that I can get it done, usually after I'd already done everything else. I wonder if INFPs have a similar relationship to their Te?
I like the "actor performing a script" metaphor (yay intuitive language!) when looking at Te. I can see how this would also apply to Fe;
trying to be emotionally efficient, in terms of: how emotions are "used", in the outer world (conduct in interpersonal relationships).
This conduct is something that Fe-users often view as "objectively true" or "objectively agreed upon by everyone", i.e. this is "proper" human-based conduct, and this is not... Instead of backing Te objectivity with "this is what I want"/"this is what truly matters to me, personally, independent of anyone else's influence" (introverted Feeling), an Fe-user will back up their "objective emotional data" with a subjective logical assessment (introverted Thinking), i.e. "this makes sense because of a, b, and c... but especially because of section 14G of point e..." LOL :P
If what you're saying is correct, i'm a hardcore Ti user.
I use Te but I hate following I instructions without actually knowing what I am doing. I am INTJ so this may be Ni instead of Te, but I just really NEED to figure it out myself. I notice this in math class. It takes me longer to understand something, because I want to have a deeper understanding of something and not just throw some numbers into some equations without knowing what that means. Yeah, that has to be Ni. But I still got secondary Te. Doesn't this disprove your theorem?
or maybe you're a mistyped INTP xD
@@renand3z actually it seems like you are an INTP
Love the hair 😉
my Japanese is rusty, what does the shirt say?
ピンクのウサギ (pink rabbit)
What about ENTPs? Let's take the photoshop example. They have Ti, so they would prefer to figure everything out by themself. But since their Si is low, wouldn't they have little patience to explore everything first? In my case (I don't know what type it is): I would like to figure it out by myself, since I would be annoyed by the fact that I have to follow or even read instructions. Still I would also be annoyed by the fact that I have to figure out every detail. So I would love to know what I can do, but I don't have the patience to test everything.
So from what I gain from this is....Te users prefer "objective" logic with a purpose. Ti users prefer "subjective" logic that may or may not have a purpose, as long as it makes sense to them.
Can you be both Fi and Ti and how would that effect the other main functions?
You helped me figure out I'm for sure an intj
INTJ are dominant Ni users, do keep that in mind. We aren't likely to follow instructions for the sake of it, unless it is a task (such as math) that demands it. In general, when confronted with new information we filter it through our own intuition, against a network of patterns and previous understanding, and use Te to the extent that it implements the Ni vision. ISTJ are likely to follow step-by-step procedures. Suppression of Ni and over-reliance of Te typically leads to unhealthy intj behaviors (think the teenage edgelords who take pride in their lack of sociability and general contentiousness).
Wait, this isn't a Spanish instruction video. She was so cute I couldn't turn it off. Lucky man that Allen.
Isn't applying tried and true ways more Si? Probably Si-Te combination. Si users are more focused on what worked in the past and instructions given are methods that worked in the past by other people. So I think that googling something and applying an instruction which goes like step 1,2,3... in that order directly sounds like someone with Si preference would do. But what about Ni-Te? I don't think that Ni would be that much tied to step by step tried and true methods, they can be more flexible about it.
I'm still confused in relating my behaviors or how I do things to certain functions. But I have this kind of behavior, where for example I'm learning a new topic for Mathematics. I usually will try to understand the formula given, by seeing what each variable is for, what this unknown represents, and how can I change this certain value with other value to get the right answer. then I formulate somewhat like a personal understanding of that topic or formula, kinda like my own understanding of the flow or steps, which what I will apply to other questions. so I have like a very personal understanding of that topic. is this Ti?
For me, I prefer to have instructions... that I skim through then quickly forget. So, I'll bang on whatever I'm trying to work on and then watch a TH-cam to show me the step-by-steps :D As for applying what I learned... even though, for instance, I've spend a few hundred hours crocheting one particular design, I can never remember how to start a new project. I have to sit through the YT video to get started :/
As for Fe/Fi... If it's a serious interaction (appointment; serious conversation), I'll mentally script out all possible variations of conversation- for myself and the other person as well.
Otherwise, I hate Fe because I can't turn it off. I anticipate the needs of others and where a conversation will lead.
My Fi is triggered by very few things (live and let live y'all :) )
Hmm I’ve been typed as INFP and ENFP , but I’m always trying to find my own way to do something.
I hate following instructions too, I like to figure things out and be creative.
I think that the definitions of Te and Ti are flexible in terms of which functions they pair with. For example, a Si-Te ISTJ would be more concerned with following instructions smoothly from A to Z. However, I like to leave a creative space between instructions and my imagination. For example, I'm passionately against the procedure of art schools because of pre-set concrete instructions of how to draw, I don't care much about tried and true technique also I don't like drawing accordingly with a reference picture so I create my art independently outside of the box as I want. However, I follow instructions in the things such as cooking, fixing and maths because I care more about results because I don't enjoy the process so I want to finish in the most efficient way asap.
@@NoOne-wt6om te tend to be more rude while ti tend to be more manipulative
Ti=Figuring
Te=Operating
How do i get involved in you typing. I wanna know my type...
Can I be a Ti and Fi user at the same time? Maybe it's not Ti but my intuition which makes me want to create things from stratch. Or I should accept my fate as being a Ti/Fe user ENTP
I guess this video fits more to high Si high Te users but when high Ne comes to stage it wants to change the forms of how things had always been done. In art and literature I genuinely don't care about a procedure, plus tried and true methods sound annoying in the fields in which I yield with my pure imagination. Despite this, I follow instructions in school to get passing grades.
@@NoOne-wt6omso then what's the diff between Ne and ti
I did a keys2cognition test and got high in Ti and Fi but lowest in both Te and Fe, which doesn’t make sense 💀
I must have both cuz I like figuring out things by my self and by other cuz I feel stupid listening to others and qnana prove myself. But I also wanna follow other rules sometimes cuz I don't trust my mind and doubt myself sm. I think im infp just with autism and adhd makes my brain differently to nt infps
Hmm I'm reasonably sure I'm an INFP but sometimes wonder if I'm actually INFJ. I do relate more to Ti than Te at least in school...but then again, if I'm learning something practical like a computer skill I'd rather only learn what I need in the moment.
Both INFJs and INFPs have problems with Te. Do you focus more on identities/ideals (INFP) or on harmony/emotions (INFJ)? Do you focus more on (a) big goal(s) (INFJ) or small improvements at a time (INFP)?
what do you do if you do both
im still tryna figure out if im infp or intp
pretty sure I use te...but I don't follow manuals or instructions, I figure things out myself
I cant follow instructions at all..but maybe thats cause I have adhd
Based on your description, I'm an INTP whose basically using Te to do things. Is that possible? I suck at it though. However, when I use Ti, I'm a whole lot better.
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