How easy is it to change the grind setting back and forth? For example, doing filter, then doing espresso, is it possible/easy to note down the grind setting and return to it *reliably* afterwards? The Mignon style of micro adjustment is often very good for keeping a coffee bean dialed in for espresso, making those little adjustments as the beans age every day, but were not very good to go back to a previous setting (small dial, multiple turns, etc), which is especially important for returning to espresso after doing filter!
If you have never used Eureka's adjustment system, this is no different. Is great the amount of adjustment you can make, but as you said, going for grinds from pour over and back to espresso was a bit tedious for me. This is the reason I got rid of my specialita. If Eureka used a slightly bigger dial with markings, it would alleviate these complaints that I had.
@@naf4361 For For these high end grinders there's no reason that they couldn't put a micrometer into it that shows the actual gap between the burrs. This would allow very high reproducability when changing grind settings. Even if this were to cost more, it's cheaper than having to buy and find room on your counter for multiple grinders, each with a different, dialed-in grind setting. This might be an excellent high end model for those who want it!
All eureka grinders are difficult to change from say espresso/fine to drip/pourover/coarse. It's not as easy or as intuitive as a niche or DF64 is, for example.
@@FleshyPink my DF64s always seem to have some particles stuck so it sounds like burrs are touching when trying to go finer to an espresso setting so you need to go super coarse then pump the bellows to release it. Just an annoyance if you're expecting a super easy way to go from coarse to espresso. At first I was opening the thing up and cleaning it out but luckily it's not necessary usually.
Not a bad review, covered the main features, though the audio is waaayyy quieter than the into music. Would benefit from a tie clip or lavalier microphone and better balancing of the audio.
Local Canadian shop says they should start shipping out end of Nov 2021, but I did hear someone say they had some issues to fix and estimated mid 2022! Not sure if there's any truth to that, but I hope they workout whatever they need to and make it an awesome grinder, Needs to compete with the DF64 and Niche Zero as well as the more expensive speciality ones like Lagom P64 and Monolith grinders etc.
@@BensCoffeeRants iDrinkCoffee just updated the date to Februrary 2022 instead of mid-November :/ However is it me or they changed the pre-order price from 850$ to 1050$. Wtf? I was hesitating between these 3 models. The Oro looks like the best quality/price ratio but no reviews and I don't want to get hyped over marketing bs. Lagom P64 is awesome but way too expensive for a gift to my mom, like 3x more, and then I just saw Jame's review on the DF64 and it looks much cheaper and worse than I've thought so now I'm waiting for the Oro I guess.
@@PanzerIV88 I think the early pre orders are still coming as expected. I should be getting mine soon. I haven't heard of any delays. Next batch I believe is Feb. Price was lower for earlier pre orders then went up, most DF64 retailers did something similar. I guess you get a bonus for being a brave early adopter 😃
@@PanzerIV88 the Df64 isn't perfect but James Hoffman definitely did it a disservice with his 'review' I think he had to make it seem worse because there's no way established coffee grinder companies can compete with the value of that grinder.
@@BensCoffeeRants Ya I see what you mean, he really didn't go soft and easy on the DF64 which is prolly the only good affordable option until the Oro finally comes out cause sincerely why would all single dose grinder have to be between 2000-4000$?! Making such design only requires small modifications and shouldn't make them cost sooo much more than grinders with hoppers or no angle.
Grind quality is likely better for the Oro (XL and Single dose version) large flat burrs vs relatively large conical, retention is likely a bit better in the Niche Zero (without having to resort to using a bellows) also easier to switch between different brew methods, but i wouldn't say it's a big deal unless it's something you do often, but usually it's best to have two grinders in that case.
They share the same motor and 65mm diamond inside burrs. However the Single Dose has been thought and engineered, as the name suggests, for single dosing. It wouldn't make sense to purchase a SD and then use it as a regular grinder and vice versa with the Mignon XL. We have noticed the SD retention has been improved due to some tweaks in the grinding chamber and the standard blow up definitely helps in pushing out those remaining 0.1-0.2g left in. The larger dial on the Single Dose will definitely help when changing through various grind sizes. Overall to decide whether to opt for the Single Dose or the XL it ultimately depends how you're planning to use your grinder.
I wonder if they’ll make brew and espresso versions of this and what the pricing will be? If they price the brew version like their current models they will corner the market. They will definitely hurt sales of machines like the Ode if they undercut them with this.
I still see the activate switch and portafilter fork holder cut out in stock photo. It’s strange why they are there since this is for single dosing. It’s like lazy efforts by Eureka ,just recycle other mignon body and add the incline base.
Wanted to buy this for its flat burr vs Niches’ conical burr, but also concerned about those retained grinds stuck on the screws. Could it be those missing 0.2g are a mix of old and new grinds that were stuck on the screws? Meaning your next grind say a day after your last use has a mix of grinds from previous runs?
actually its quite a pain to brew espresso using a single dose grinder in a home environment due to having to do calibration. (especially if you have a variety of brewing methods eg: morning for espresso, afternoon for filter)
I have some DF64s and pre-ordered an Oro, I suspect they should be pretty similar taste wise. The DF64 does have the advantage of being compatible with some fancy / more expensive SSP burrs which offer you a few different options to suite your taste and style of brewing. I'm also going to test the SSP burrs out. So far just tried the Espresso Burrs and they're a nice slight upgrade from the stock DF64 italmill burrs, but I wouldn't say it's really worth the extra cost (for most people).
@@BensCoffeeRants Thanks for the information, I thought it would make more than just a "slight difference" for espresso as these burrs aren't cheap, plus the hassle of installing it urself and risking not having a good aligment.
@@PanzerIV88 for brew coffee I think I noticed more of a difference with SSP burrs. Much cleaner and less bitter but for espresso I kinda miss the body you get from the stock burrs. The Espresso SSP burrs are similar in that regard (a little fines and body still but less than stock burrs) but the Unimodal multipurpose SSP burrs are very low in fines and low in body. Great for aeropress and brew coffee though. I think if your alignment is bad with the original burrs it's probably going to be the same with the SSP burrs.
It's being released around mid November. Whole latte love is currently taking pre orders in the US for $749 for white and black models, and $799 for chrome. I think that price is far too high for what it is.
No portafilter holder ,have to hold the dosing cup,switch on the side ?excuse me?this looks like not finished product ,quickly fermented product to sell,you know better guys ,this looks like a fail
Single dose grinders often don't have portafilter holders (see niche zero, df64, this), switch on the side is also common (other Eureka models niche zero), and it IS a prototype, so it's not finished. I hope this helps
This is why we mentioned at the start of the video this is a pre-production prototype. The hopper specifically has been drastically improved since the video and we can guarantee it is now smooth as silk :)
@@espressocoffeeshop How can you "guarantee" that? Do you have the new version on hand? Be careful with how you describe things -- neither the video nor your responses sound very objective and separate from how the manufacturer might present it in marketing.
Your tests chart shows an average of 2 grams retention, is this using the bellows? If not, that's pretty poor for a single dose. I have both the df64 and the niche, and they retain .3-.2 grams, which is more along the lines of a single dose grinder.
Thanks for the review but Please get a better microphone
Agree! I cannot continue to watch this after just the first 10 sec.
The intro music was so loud I had to lower the volume then I couldn't hear him when the video started
How easy is it to change the grind setting back and forth? For example, doing filter, then doing espresso, is it possible/easy to note down the grind setting and return to it *reliably* afterwards?
The Mignon style of micro adjustment is often very good for keeping a coffee bean dialed in for espresso, making those little adjustments as the beans age every day, but were not very good to go back to a previous setting (small dial, multiple turns, etc), which is especially important for returning to espresso after doing filter!
If you have never used Eureka's adjustment system, this is no different. Is great the amount of adjustment you can make, but as you said, going for grinds from pour over and back to espresso was a bit tedious for me. This is the reason I got rid of my specialita. If Eureka used a slightly bigger dial with markings, it would alleviate these complaints that I had.
@@naf4361 For
For these high end grinders there's no reason that they couldn't put a micrometer into it that shows the actual gap between the burrs. This would allow very high reproducability when changing grind settings. Even if this were to cost more, it's cheaper than having to buy and find room on your counter for multiple grinders, each with a different, dialed-in grind setting. This might be an excellent high end model for those who want it!
@Léon Chirac +2
All eureka grinders are difficult to change from say espresso/fine to drip/pourover/coarse. It's not as easy or as intuitive as a niche or DF64 is, for example.
@@FleshyPink my DF64s always seem to have some particles stuck so it sounds like burrs are touching when trying to go finer to an espresso setting so you need to go super coarse then pump the bellows to release it. Just an annoyance if you're expecting a super easy way to go from coarse to espresso. At first I was opening the thing up and cleaning it out but luckily it's not necessary usually.
Not a bad review, covered the main features, though the audio is waaayyy quieter than the into music. Would benefit from a tie clip or lavalier microphone and better balancing of the audio.
For this test, you shoud leave cup on its place cos its made to work on that way. We will be able to see clumping and static issue if any.
Thank you for your suggestion! We will make a more in depth review when the first production units will be available around the end of october
@@espressocoffeeshop or maybe december ;)
Eureka grinders are pretty good with their anti clumping and anti static system.
Do you have it in 110V?
I've heard that these have been delayed due to manufacturing issues. Do you know any details?
Local Canadian shop says they should start shipping out end of Nov 2021, but I did hear someone say they had some issues to fix and estimated mid 2022! Not sure if there's any truth to that, but I hope they workout whatever they need to and make it an awesome grinder, Needs to compete with the DF64 and Niche Zero as well as the more expensive speciality ones like Lagom P64 and Monolith grinders etc.
@@BensCoffeeRants iDrinkCoffee just updated the date to Februrary 2022 instead of mid-November :/ However is it me or they changed the pre-order price from 850$ to 1050$. Wtf?
I was hesitating between these 3 models. The Oro looks like the best quality/price ratio but no reviews and I don't want to get hyped over marketing bs. Lagom P64 is awesome but way too expensive for a gift to my mom, like 3x more, and then I just saw Jame's review on the DF64 and it looks much cheaper and worse than I've thought so now I'm waiting for the Oro I guess.
@@PanzerIV88 I think the early pre orders are still coming as expected. I should be getting mine soon. I haven't heard of any delays. Next batch I believe is Feb. Price was lower for earlier pre orders then went up, most DF64 retailers did something similar. I guess you get a bonus for being a brave early adopter 😃
@@PanzerIV88 the Df64 isn't perfect but James Hoffman definitely did it a disservice with his 'review' I think he had to make it seem worse because there's no way established coffee grinder companies can compete with the value of that grinder.
@@BensCoffeeRants Ya I see what you mean, he really didn't go soft and easy on the DF64 which is prolly the only good affordable option until the Oro finally comes out cause sincerely why would all single dose grinder have to be between 2000-4000$?! Making such design only requires small modifications and shouldn't make them cost sooo much more than grinders with hoppers or no angle.
How does it compare to a Nice Zero? These are my two choices after quite some research?
Grind quality is likely better for the Oro (XL and Single dose version) large flat burrs vs relatively large conical, retention is likely a bit better in the Niche Zero (without having to resort to using a bellows) also easier to switch between different brew methods, but i wouldn't say it's a big deal unless it's something you do often, but usually it's best to have two grinders in that case.
I'm shocked about the start button. Just using on/off button to start grinding? better use specialita and change to the single dose hopper. lol
Smaller burrs on the specialita but yeah it would be nice if they also kept that portafilter button so you got options for how to use it.
How would you compare it against the mignon XL?
They share the same motor and 65mm diamond inside burrs. However the Single Dose has been thought and engineered, as the name suggests, for single dosing. It wouldn't make sense to purchase a SD and then use it as a regular grinder and vice versa with the Mignon XL. We have noticed the SD retention has been improved due to some tweaks in the grinding chamber and the standard blow up definitely helps in pushing out those remaining 0.1-0.2g left in. The larger dial on the Single Dose will definitely help when changing through various grind sizes. Overall to decide whether to opt for the Single Dose or the XL it ultimately depends how you're planning to use your grinder.
A little different but functional, near identical.
I wonder if they’ll make brew and espresso versions of this and what the pricing will be? If they price the brew version like their current models they will corner the market. They will definitely hurt sales of machines like the Ode if they undercut them with this.
This is probably the one i'm waiting for :)
It's up for pre order on whole latte love at $749 for black and white and $799 for chrome, which IMO is way too much.
I still see the activate switch and portafilter fork holder cut out in stock photo. It’s strange why they are there since this is for single dosing.
It’s like lazy efforts by Eureka ,just recycle other mignon body and add the incline base.
I have a Eureka Mignon so I know now how to update to single dosing. I just have to incline the grinder 🤣. Let's build a rosewood stand for it
Nice watch!
Voice should have been captured better
07:54 is this graph with using the blow up or without it?
This test has been performed without the blowup
Wanted to buy this for its flat burr vs Niches’ conical burr, but also concerned about those retained grinds stuck on the screws. Could it be those missing 0.2g are a mix of old and new grinds that were stuck on the screws? Meaning your next grind say a day after your last use has a mix of grinds from previous runs?
Avg retention they showed to be much less than 0.2g. watch it again.
Would this be the best single dose grinder for a pour over?
I’ve heard grinders cannot be built to do both espresso and filter well. Is this a myth?
actually its quite a pain to brew espresso using a single dose grinder in a home environment due to having to do calibration. (especially if you have a variety of brewing methods eg: morning for espresso, afternoon for filter)
Nice video fun and informative thank you
Is it me, or did grinds somehow get out on top of the machine during the grind?
The "small" power on/off switch needs to be relocated to the front or somewhere easy to reach.
If all 20G batches leave 0,2 Grams in the grinder.. would it not run full at some point
No. Did you not see their data analysis graph?
I’d like to get that tilt base for my current eureka
Thank you for the video, but do something about the microphone...
Wonder how it does against DF-64
They have 65mm uncoated burrs. I feel like the df64 with ssp burrs and replacing the declumper is better. This machine is much more handsome though.
I have some DF64s and pre-ordered an Oro, I suspect they should be pretty similar taste wise. The DF64 does have the advantage of being compatible with some fancy / more expensive SSP burrs which offer you a few different options to suite your taste and style of brewing. I'm also going to test the SSP burrs out. So far just tried the Espresso Burrs and they're a nice slight upgrade from the stock DF64 italmill burrs, but I wouldn't say it's really worth the extra cost (for most people).
@@BensCoffeeRants Thanks for the information, I thought it would make more than just a "slight difference" for espresso as these burrs aren't cheap, plus the hassle of installing it urself and risking not having a good aligment.
@@PanzerIV88 for brew coffee I think I noticed more of a difference with SSP burrs. Much cleaner and less bitter but for espresso I kinda miss the body you get from the stock burrs. The Espresso SSP burrs are similar in that regard (a little fines and body still but less than stock burrs) but the Unimodal multipurpose SSP burrs are very low in fines and low in body. Great for aeropress and brew coffee though.
I think if your alignment is bad with the original burrs it's probably going to be the same with the SSP burrs.
Does it come with a bellow? and a 110V version?
Yes it will come with a bellow as standard. The 110v version is expected to be released more towards the end of the year/early 2022.
@@espressocoffeeshop Good to know, as to the taste in the cup, how does it compared to Atom 75?
It's being released around mid November. Whole latte love is currently taking pre orders in the US for $749 for white and black models, and $799 for chrome. I think that price is far too high for what it is.
this will be a supreme single dose grinder, the mother of all single dose grinder in her price
No portafilter holder ,have to hold the dosing cup,switch on the side ?excuse me?this looks like not finished product ,quickly fermented product to sell,you know better guys ,this looks like a fail
Single dose grinders often don't have portafilter holders (see niche zero, df64, this), switch on the side is also common (other Eureka models niche zero), and it IS a prototype, so it's not finished.
I hope this helps
Lol "Erica"
quality of materials? :)))) that metal is squeaking when you open and close it
This is why we mentioned at the start of the video this is a pre-production prototype. The hopper specifically has been drastically improved since the video and we can guarantee it is now smooth as silk :)
@@espressocoffeeshop How can you "guarantee" that? Do you have the new version on hand?
Be careful with how you describe things -- neither the video nor your responses sound very objective and separate from how the manufacturer might present it in marketing.
u are a niche fan i think, take your niche and go out from here
:))) no i am not a fan...i am just expecting the best in Eureka and this is not the best. If Niche can do it, Eureka can do it too
@@plinius33 how u know it s not the best? U have this grinder ? Finnaly the only thing will be the taste of espresso shot
Your tests chart shows an average of 2 grams retention, is this using the bellows? If not, that's pretty poor for a single dose. I have both the df64 and the niche, and they retain .3-.2 grams, which is more along the lines of a single dose grinder.
The chart says 18 grams input. 20g on the vertical bar is for ref.
the input for all the 20 tests was 18gr. we averaged 0.1-0.2 gr. of retention :)
@@espressocoffeeshop No, it is not since you did not measure correctly since you do not know what retention actually refers to …
@@tybaltmercutio what are you talking about? Look at their chart.
I am way too distracted by his accent and look lol.
Sehr schlechter Ton, kann es nicht verstehen 😳
Sound is awful.
Nice design, but start button need to relocate. My specialita model & customized hopper still better than this.
Doubt it
nah.. mignon will do the same .. I reckon better with a billow
This grinder comes with a bellows, it's just not in the video.
What?