Rolex vs Omega- Why Is The Rolex Submariner More Popular Than The Omega Speedmaster ?
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- Rolex vs Omega- Why Is The Rolex Submariner More Popular Than The Omega Speedmaster ?
In today's episode of Federico Talks Watches I talk about the Rolex Submariner vs the Omega Speedmaster. The two most popular and iconic watches ever made. However the Rolex Submariner is number one. Why is The Rolex Submariner more popular than the Omega Speedmaster. The Omega Speedmaster is less expensive and more complicated. I think Omega vs Rolex, Submariner vs Speedmaster comes down to different marketing strategies. Let me know what you think in the comment section below.
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I think a Submariner vs. a Seamaster and a Daytona vs. a Speedmaster are more appropriate comparisons.
correct , but sadly omega gets more smashed , because there is no competition ...
@@mnthol That’s pretty arrogant coming from someone who probably still only wears a G-shock.
I love omega however they absolutely have way too many versions of their watches. It devalues the brand.
100% agreed.
Cannot disagree, however the vintage pre-moon (to me) is what matters. I am not interested in getting one just to have one.
I really think this comes down to the name Rolex. Back when I couldn't care less about watches, Rolex was the only brand I really knew and I think that's the case for most people outside the watch world.
It's probably because I'm quite new to the scene and perhaps the purpose is to appeal to those of us who aren't such seasoned enthusiasts but the multiple versions of the speedy was one of the things that attracted me to buy it as my first watch. I like the idea of having a piece which not only has amazing history/quality but also it's own unique appeal that fits with my personal taste.
I'd love to own a rolex but it will almost definitely be a more dressy piece. Dress watches, pilots and chornos are always the ones I fall for.
So true
The difference? I can walk in Omega AD and get minimum 20% off and got treated royally. I crawl on my knees to a Rolex AD pay full price if not marked up and probably another watch to go with the purchase and get screwed royally.
Rolex restricting supply to push up the prestige make me sick. A prestigious watch should distinguish itself by quality and heritage. If Rolex wants to make the sub prestigious, sure, make it better than everything else and drive up the price. Then I would have nothing but respect for it.
From the beginning Rolex decided to make their watches after a certain quality level and not a price level.
It wasn't a luxury brand at all. It was a watch for common people.
In fact when the first Rolex models came out they actually did the best watches on the market. Then after a period people realized this and wanted to pay a little more for the quality. Prices rose due to demand and advanced development over the years. Quality and heritige.
The sad part is that Rolex already had the prestige. First waterproof watch, first chronometer certified watch etc. But using this kind of marketing trick makes the brand less glorious in my opinion.
For me water resistance in a watch is not a minor factor. When talking of luxury watches, I find really annoying a low or non existing water resistance or signs of low durability. I would consider these factors before choosing Submariner vs.Speedmaster, and because of it would go for the first one.
Very good point!
Uh, you do know one is a diver right. Hence the better water resistance. If water resistance is a major factor, there are better choices than Rolex out there with better resistance.
Well, the point for me is not having 1000m water resistance, but having at least 100m water resistance, so that I can walk in a rainy day or use it in environments with water without feeling I may destroy a watch that was not precisely cheap.
Enrique Doc You won't destroy a Speedmaster for watching your hands or getting wet on a rainy day or diving on a jacuzzi
@@whereRbearsTeeth Exactly. No sense in comparing a diver with a chronograph in terms of water resistence - the same way we can say Speedmaster is the much superior watch for having chrono functions. It would have been a much fairer comparison between a Rolex Submariner and an Omega Seamaster from equal vintages - I personally don't believe the Seamaster would have anything to envy the Submariner.
I think people are starting to get annoyed with Rolex. When you are ready to spend ££££ on a watch you should not have to wait years to get one. Also, I still think the ‘I own a rolex’ image is cringey at best.
A company that makes it hard for me to spend my money on their products doesn’t deserve it. Omega over Rolex anytime.
any time man, any time
I agree. First watch of my life was a Speedy. Still had to pick up a Datejust though. Both icons.
I think a lot of it has to do with image. Rolex is for sure the most well known watch brand on earth. People who don't know much about watches or watch brands know about Rolex. It's an aspiration for most people to get their hands on a Rolex. A big part to me of why a lot of people own a Rolex is that they consider it to be the ultimate status symbol that everyone knows. It's so much more universal than Omega that it draws people in easier.
I truly knew that Rolex was THE goal when one of my friends told me he bought a Rolex mariner from some store I never heard of for like $1500. I'm not sure how true that was, or if he bought a fake, but he still spent money he barely had on it, and I'm not sure if I know anyone who would do the same for an Omega.
because there are hundreds of variations of speedmasters with stupid limited editions every year,
the sub has basically stayed the same since it came out, goes long way towards popularty
JogBird nobody forces you to buy a limited.
You have a point there. Who would want a watch that has a new edition almost every year? The Rolex Sub, on the other hand, has barely changed in design since it was introduced in the early '50s.
JogBird Yes but the contemporary Omega speedmaster man on the moon looks more like the 1969 Omega moonwatch than the Ceramic sub looks like the original 1953 sub
Rolex buyers are motivated by vanity. I was once picking up a new 18k White Gold IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar at the AD - and all of the staff were making a huge fuss. A customer came over, wearing his Steel/YG Rolex Sub and asked what the fuss was about. He had not heard of IWC and when learned the watch was white gold he asked with his puzzled look "why? No one will know it's gold or expensive"...I do own a Submariner and several Omegas - but hardly wear the Rolex because it feels so cheap and common to me.
#1 reason and frankly the only reason is, that it has Rolex written on the dial.
Do you know if Rolex earns more with limited volume or Omega earns more with their larger volume?
If you ask me Omega's biggest mistake is having too many versions of the same watch. I think they announced 16 Seamaster variations at baselworld. 16? Crazy!
Christopher from 'It's Complicated' Just wait until next year and the 50th aniversary of the moon landing.
What is weird is that the one that went to the moon doesn't have a date window and the one that is a diver has a magnified one. I've never needed to know the date while diving but I'm sure if you were in space it would be nice to know what day it was. :)
Fed, I can certainly attest that the only reason I don’t have a Speedy is because there are just so many choices and I get overwhelmed and give up. On the Rolex side, the fact that the Sub is so hard to get, means that you have to really want it. It makes it a challenge. Some people like challenges, and when you tell that type of person they can’t have what they want, they want it even more.
This is a good question. Agree with everything you say, but also there is also a perception that a Sub is the most rugged, indestructible daily wearer that money can buy. You buy a Sub, you wear it for life. And you can take it anywhere. I do believe that this is very important.
Good point. However, maybe my perception is skewed, but I think the speedy shares a very similar reputation, considering it was NASA's choice.
Federico Talks Watches Unfortunately the Speedy (wrongly) does not have a similar reputation - just look at some of the comments on this video by other people. Nothing can match up to a Rolex in most people's eyes...... shame. I own both, but must say I hardly ever wear the Speedmaster.
Most watches will last you for life. The SKX, which you can get for less than tax on either of these. I think Federico nailed it with the insane human thing around "I can't get it, so I want it more" - and the status symbol. Ignoring both of these aspects is hard when evaluating a watch but both seem so shallow as a reason to buy something. Assuming you're buying a watch because you love it, and aren't concerned with future value, etc. Keep up the vids and thanks! Endlessly fun topic :)
Larry Kippings Hard to beat a Submariner as a daily wearer..... and that's coming from a Speedmaster owner. I love my Speedy and I wear it everywhere except in the water.
Growing up in a NASA town, watching the moon landing on TV at 14, I will always be Team Speedy, at least for its connection with my childhood.
Hey Fed, I agree most guys want a Rolex because of the perceived image/status symbol. Guys I work with who are not into watches “want to get a Rolex”. I’ve never heard somebody say “boy...I want to get a from a non watch guy for their first piece.
Less is more =
Less inventory,
More Desire + Price =
Rolex is 👑 of Marketing
1. Image
2. Timeless Design ...
Hey Ferederico. I have only one question to you.
What about reliability of Omega? A few weeks ago you have said that Rolex is super tough and in your career you have seen maybe only 2 or 3 "broken" Rolex watches. What about Omega?
Fed, I totally agree with your accessibility argument. Their approaches couldn't be more opposite, and I think they're are both extreme, and frankly annoying. Rolex completely contrives artificial scarcity and people line up and eat it up for years. On the other hand, Omega has over saturated supply to the point that it has been consistently the most discounted brand on the grey market, and that hurts brand perception/retail price greatly. Rolex's approach is obviously working for them, but I'd still like to see them both take a page out of the other's book.
Thanks Fed. I really always wondered why the sea master 300m is not more popular relative to the Rolex sub . The omega 300m gorgeous , exudes class , more dress versatility, wears very thin and just tough as nails. History and marketing rather then function is clearly a major player in consumerism in the luxury world.
The main theory is that Rolex have remained relatively unchanged over the years, whereas Omega have continued to produce far too many versions of their wristwatches. It isn't that simple i'm afraid because how on earth can you explain the popularity of the Datejust & the Day Date which offer just as many if not EVEN MORE options.
Very nice video! I like the fact that the speedy is more accessible, I always loved this watch! I have the reduced and Now I would like to buy also the professional
I have and I love both watches
But in term of quality and finish the sub has the edge
I'd say it needs more than just an "edge" when it's more than double the price.
Most folks do not need a chronograph, a simple reliable 3 hand dive watch that retains its value with a timeless design like a Rolex ticks all the right boxes. Bought my sub in 1992. It is still working after 26 years and will outlive me surely.
waited and got the 60th seamaster reissue, head and shoulders prefer it to the no date sub I was considering. No knock on rolex at all, just deisgn prefference. Build on the omega seems to be just as robust and well crafted. Mind you they cost the same so you'd expect it. just opinion from someone who took road less traveled, but saving up for the new sea dweller. cheers
I love your videos and points of view, this one was on an especially interesting topic, but the static of your microphone is really distracting. Please check out your recording gear, if you can correct it in the future.
Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not complaining for my free entertainment, and I love your videos.
Hey Federico! Here is an idea. Can you make a video about the cheapest COSC certified watches you can get ?
Tissot, MIDO have the most affordable COSC certified watches.
Humans perceive quality by what they see...to my eyes Rolex looks more refined than a Omega...Omega may use better practical materials but Rolex looks more sleek and polished
Shriram Seetharaman refined? It’s big, clunky and utilitarian. It’s a dive watch.
Really? So people buying stupidly expensive "Supreme" t-shirts are just because they look more quality than a Fruit of the Loom one?
Wenslauw van Os Sir I am not talking about only the two watches in question but generally about the watches manufactured by these two incredible brands
Paul Lynch Sir we are comparing different things here...anyway the premise of my argument is..something which people conceive is of a higher quality commands a bigger price tag than other similar/ sometimes even better quality and appropriate items
Hi, Fed. Interesting video as always. A lot out of my price range. But I like to be informed through your excellent videos. Hope you are well . best regards from Adrian in Sheffield England.😀
I understand the demand for the Submariner but it honestly does nothing for me. I would choose the Speedmaster all day. I really think it is a status symbol to get a Submariner.
Hey Fed, how about a quick review of best manual wind watches, especially in the field, dive and sports watch category. Their are loads of slim manual wind dress watches but a lot fewer in those mare sporty categories. I'd find your suggestions in that area very interesting.
I don’t quite get the demand issues unless thousands upon thousands of new watch purchasers have randomly started spending $5,000-$12,000 on a wrist watch. And the same for the high demand AP and PP sport watches. It’s like not even fathomable to me how the market has changed so much in the past 1-2 years with “new” buyers for $20,000-$50,000 watches. The trend with Rolex “new” buyers has been spread out over a longer time than the above but I still don’t get how 5 years ago any non vintage sub could be found in mint condition within a day or two for a great price. Daytona’s have always been a tad bit harder to score since the late 90’s early 2000’s but they could be found for retail or less through grey dealers NIB. What sticks out to me with the rise in new buyers/price increases is when the Batman came out. It’s like that watch brought so many more prospectors into the market at one single point in time than ever before. Maybe they are still here using any model they can source from ADs just because they can even though the watches won’t pocket them as much of a net as what they got hooked on with the Batman. Quick money isn’t something too many people shy away from and that’s kind of where I see the watch market right now and have been saying this for about 1.5-2 years now. There’s just not realistically that many new potential buyers for the $7,500-$12,000 Rolex’s and $20,000-$50,000 APs/PPs sport watches. There really isn’t any other explanation. It’s an addictive practice to flip a watch, purchase a new watch, make money for literally knowing an AD. What’s not addictive is suddenly having and enjoying spending money on a automatic/manual wind wrist watch more less thousands of people suddenly purchasing these relatively ultra wealthy personal items to feed one’s self’s need for pleasure. But I’m just a random watch enthusiast that has only been into luxury watches for approximately 13 years.
Spot on. This is very very simple, as it goes with the laws of supply and demand.. Omega Speedy's are everywhere, easy to get. Submariner, not so easy. If the Speedy's stock goes away, 'watch' how much more desirable they become. Price - that's another topic on its own, completely. Rolex has a very simple, yet effective strategy. It works - like it or not.
Personally, much prefer the iconic Date Just over a sub any day.
Recent subscriber here, great channel - except the lack of love for Grand Seiko :)
Does anyone have any guesses when the steel Rolex Submariner will be redone ? I thought it would have been Basel World 2018. Thanks
An obvious reason is that dive watches are more popular than chronographs in general. I dont know how big the popularity difference is though, maybe Fed can enlighten me?
the Speedy Tuesday, "a bubble?" If you remember, the Daytona was doing nothing but piling up stock for Rolex, for the first couple of decades+ after it was released
Other than being copied by every other design, I don't see how the Rolex Submariner has done more for horology than the Omega Speedmaster Professional. The Omega Speedmaster Professional was the first watch worn on moon and is such a cool piece of American and space history. The Omega Speedmaster Professional even saved the Apollo 13 mission. How cool is that?...You don't even have to be a space or science nerd to think that's cool. In my opinion, the scope of the achievements of the Omega Speedmaster Professional and its spot in space history make it a more iconic watch. Sure the Rolex Submariner is more desirable, but the Omega Speedmaster Professional has a way cooler history.
From my point of view the durability is a main issue. Water resistance makes Rolex more poweful. My brother got a Speedmaster mark Il and l got a Submariner 1680. He had lots of problems with water and sold it. I still enjoy my Sub.
Sorry, what you said is suspicious. If he was having "lots of water problems" with his Speedy, it's most likely because he did something wrong.
Trev Barlow yes indeed. Howver Omega said it was wr 100m.
I think for the general population it's mostly because the fact that the dial says "Rolex". And yeah...Omega has been milking on the Speedmaster line for years now with tons of "special" editions. That said, I love my "basic" Speedy.
Sure the Submariner has more status since it's a Rolex, it's 300m water resistant, auto, ceramic, sapphire, can be had with a date, etc.
.....but I still love my Speedmaster more because it has more character. A chronograph is more useful than a dive bezel in day-to-day life, It ticks loudly and stutters away at 3hz (which I like), the hesalite crystal is AWESOME, and hand winding it daily is an enjoyable and fun thing to do.
Id say the Submariner is a little better in terms of quality but the Speedmaster is much more fun to wear. I still like Submariners but they don't make me happy the same way a Speedmaster does.
Hey Federico, why no love on the new Breitling watches at Basel world? Would Love to hear your thoughts on where George kern is taking the company etc.
I don’t know why but I have the perception that Rolex are a better watch than Omega and certainly have more of a status value than Omega. Probably a marketing thing. Recently I was going to buy an Omega Aqua Terra but saw a blue dial Rolex Oyster Perpetual for about the same price. I thought, wow, I can get a Rolex for the same price as an Omega. I bought the Rolex. I don’t own a Submariner because I am not a fan of the watch but I do own a Speedmaster moon watch. A great watch that is also extremely accurate with its time keeping.
It would be interesting to compare Rolex Sub vs Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre.
Federico why don’t you do reviews of the watches you sell?
Seamaster v Submariner, Speedmaster v Daytona is a proper comparison, also they are ALL icons with heritage. Also the limited supply of Rolex has pushed customers into Omega.
While I was going for my first luxury watch purchase There were few criteria that I was looking for.
1.Brand recognition
2.Iconic status
3.In-House movement
Finally, I have narrowed it down to OMEGA SPEEDMASTER. Now there was this problem
There are 100's Models 100's of calibers Most of them weren't even Manufacture calibers...WHAAAAAAAAAT.....This is what happens when a person tries to Buy a Speedmaster.....Finally, I just bought myself a brand new TUDOR BLACKBAY HERITAGE BRONZE..Problem solved.
Supply and demand definitely has an impact. That is if something is scarce then aside from personal aspirational drive to own there is the question of robust resale value. Rolex is a standout in this regard.
What affords Rolex a corporate advantage being a trust structured organisation at its root is they can set marketing dogma and meter supply without fear of shareholder influence.
In short, do you think Omega could do the effective "marketing campaign" of throttling SS Daytona supply Rolex does? It reeks Rolex is exclusive and special and worth your extra dollars, especially if you can get that money back because so many want the meagre supply.
BTW since I'm on my soapbox let me rant down Panerai senza palle. A historical dive watch brand from the renaissance town can't now handle more than 30m WR. Per l'amore di Dio!
Fed, I have both and like each for different reasons. I just picked up a new in box Tintin. Seems like demand and prices are heading higher on the Tintin, agree? Any idea why this is now a hot watch?
Tin tin is super hot right now rick. You made a great pick up brother.
Its hot because the dial is so different and when it came out for some reason, it got no love.
Too many renditions of Speedies out there. They (Omega) have diminished the magic of the “Speedmaster” name by assigning everything in there product line as a Speedmaster. I think they’ve done the same thing with the name Seamaster too. Both are very cool names, but it seems to me Omega has just worn them out.
Rolex: Consistent in quality, brand management, and marketing strategy. You can depend on them not going stupid. Omega: Good luck with that.
hahahahaha I kinda of agree.
Well said, it’s a simple case of supply and demand. Omega is flooding the market you can pick up a new speedy for 3.5k...
Yeah, pretty much!
great vid Fred!
swatch as a public listing company need to pump out big number from their brands, so omega need pump big sales from its most iconic and sellable item. so they milking it like super crazy... rolex its not listed company
I think if you’re a collector, most people would buy a speedy first. But the common consumer, say buying a watch to commerate an achievement will buy a Submariner. Two totally different watches as well.
This may demonstrate my newbie-ness but why wouldn't you compare the sub to the seamaster , both being nautically related??
Personally I don't consider these two to be rivals. Both are classics but they have a different look. The Sub is more versatile and just tougher. It can be worn everyday, everywhere. The Speedy is more fragile, the Hesalite scratches easier, and it's just a little more complicated to look at. I wouldn't wear a Speedy to a formal occasion for example, but you can get away with a Sub.
Watch people will get either, non-watch people will get the sub
The limited availability, higher price, and more prestigious brand obviously appeal to many. But aside from that the Rolex is waterproof to 300m and automatic with a less complicated movement. You can put it on and never take if off. Speedy needs to be babied.
chillwill120 Do they though? I have a 1971 Mark ii Speedmaster, and not had it serviced for over 20 years. It keeps great time.
I wouldn't go as far as babied, I think its a very rugged watch. But I see where you are coming form.
I think Rolex has better marketing. Rolex also has more AD’s. There is one Omega dealer in my state, and there are multiple Rolex dealers. Having physical products near you to handle helps when making a decision on what you’re going to purchase.
redbird963 isn’t Jared an Omega AD?
Anthony Amato Not all Jared stores sell Omega. Jared will also not negotiate.
Be interesting to see how many speedy vs sub are sold per year...
Got a question for you mate! When someone buys a watch from your store, does the watch get a customary ;) free service before you send it to the buyer?
Yup, all watches that need a service are indeed serviced before being sold.
Federico Talks Watches oh great! Thank you for letting me know
My 2 favorite watches: 1) Rolex Submariner, and 2) Omega Speedmaster Professional. I think we're over analyzing and over thinking things here. I just like the Submariner better, but the Speedmaster is my 2nd favorite watch, so that's says a lot...
I have both which are excellent watches. I will say when I was searching for my Rolex which was hard to get new at a few local ARs I jumped at it once I found one in stock.
It is more subjective and to one's preference. Similar to Mercedes Benz vs. BMW. Both great, but it depends on the individual's preference.
omega is the brain talking, rolex is the heart wanting
If you look only at history and use it's kinda funny that a dive watch is more popular than a space watch... But obviously once you get deeper into the watches themselves and the brands the popularity of the sub starts to make sense.
i had to sell my submariner no date and i miss it so much but i have a speedy that i enjoy wearing all the time but the submariner was a tank!
The submariner is much more rugged. Eg. sapphire crystal and water resistance. I own the moon watch and a BLNR and enjoy them both. The bracelet sucks on the Moon watch also.
Just put mine on a vintage brown leather strap. Gave it a whole new feel after 5 years!
Nice!!
I don't consider a sapphire crystal to be more rugged than hesalite. It would shatter when a hesalite wouldn't.
Yeah, okay perhaps the sub is more rugged in other respects, it's all academic since the speedy has survived the NASA torture tests, do it itself is overly rugged.
Going for authenticity, I put mine on an 18 inch frayed strip of Velcro. Kidding.
In my opinion the New Seiko Prospex coming out In Steel and Green looks better than the Hulk.
When I buy a Rolex I know it probably won’t be outdated by next year. Not the same for Omega. That comfort is worth a few thousand dollars more.
Different marketing strategies but they're both hugely successful watches. So even though Rolex is the most desirable out of the two I wouldn't say Omega has done anything wrong in terms of marketing.
Rolex is like cream - It rises to the top! 😍
Both iconic watches. Can't go wrong with either. The problem with Omega is resale value. Horrible!! Lucky if you get 40-50% back. Rolex is around 75% so that helps out if you like to flip. If you buy and hold then Omega is a better buy. Both have name recognition, but everybody knows Rolex. Non watch people will not know about Omega.
i don't get it either. in my opinion speedmaster is the more iconic, complex, and attainable watch.
probably because there are a lots of speedmaster's type out there. if you want to get "the speedmaster" you have to get the professional for the full experience. while with sub, it is basically "the submariner"
You said it, Fed. Artificial. The entire Rolex gimmick is built on a bit of a fraud. Hans Wilsdorf was a salesman, and a bit of a charlatan, and as you know, sales is a tad shady more than it isn't. You have great industry credentials, more than most, and you also are honest enough to say it. My next purchase will be from you. Happy new year and best wishes for 2020.
It’s a shame that both Rolex and omega are slowing becoming fashion watches. Still wonderful time pieces but makes you want to start buying other brands like Blancpain Breguet Glashute and even Grand Seiko
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SUBMARINER...
Α) The Rolex Submariner was introduced in 1953 and it is the first true diver's watch that surerceeded the depth rate of 100 meters (The Blancpain FF which was introduced the same year had a depth rate of only 91 meters). The Omega Seamaster diver was introduced 4 years later, in 1957!
B) The Rolex Submariner (ref. 6538/A and the following ref. 5512) was chosen by Britain's MOD (Ministry of Defence) as the official watch for naval officers, SEALS and Special Forces (SAS and SBS) during the period 1956 - 1967. In 1967, MOD attempted to replace Rolex with the Omega Seamaster ref. 165.024. But due to problems with Omega's "naiad crown" which was leaking in shalow waters, in 1971 MOD made again the Rolex Submariner (ref. 5513/5517) it's official military watch.
C) The Rolex Submariner is the original James Bond wristwatch. Ian Fleming, wrote in his novels that James Bond wears "a heavy Rolex Oyster Perpetual on an expanding metal bracelet”. It is also immortalized in the first Bond movies with Sean Connery (Dr No - From Russia With Love - Goldfinger - Thunderball) with George Lazenby (On her Majesty's Secret Service), with Roger Moore (Live and Let Die - The Man with the Golden Gun) and with Timothy Dalton (Licence to Kill) as the original and most iconic James Bond's wristwatch.
In conclusion: Omega Seamaster and Speedmaster are undoughtably excelent watches. But the Rolex Submariner has a) older and reacher history, b) better naval - military connection, c) is the original Bond watch (on the Fleming novels and on cinema) long before Omega. My Best Regards
talk about cherry-picking.
It is the economics of Demand Vs Supply.
The marketing is not of *a* watch, but of a series of watches. Men enter the game with the black Submariner, the most functional Rolex. At higher price points, the watches become more luxurious. While men trade up their watches, women trade up in their men.
Own both. Both are high quality. Speedy looks better. I think in fact that it’s one of the best looking watches out there. However, the Rolex has the intangible panache. I’ve talked with watch guys about this for years.
Federico, the way I see it, if you ask any person on the street about Rolex, they will immediately tell you that it is a status provider high-priced watch. If you ask about Omega, they will look at you quizzically as it is not a name highly known in all circles, except watch connoisseurs. Granted as a watch enthusiast, I love what the Omega Speedmaster brings in the sense of class and horology complications and execution. However, the Rolex Submariner brings established ruggedness and quality as well as the coveted status symbol that the Omega does not have unfortunately. So no matter how many versions in the end, if you are walking down the boulevard, it is the Rolex that will make people notice you and not the Omega, sad to say.
I'd rather go for a Speedmaster than a Submariner. It's less expansive, is more complicated and for me the history is more interesting. You can get and awesome divewatch (Prospex, SKX) which I can easily use a a replacement for a Submariner by my standards but it would be harder to get an awesome reputable chronograph for the price of a Speedmaster.
The skymoon is not accessible to everyone and not that high demand on it! Beside the price, accessibility wasn’t a factor of attraction. Rolex is top quality but plays media. OMEGA top quality but available to everyone.. Rolex is a watch to talk about. OMEGA is a watch to live with.
Honest opinion.
Both are great watches and both have heritage. But it's like apples and oranges. The sub is more expensive and less accessible. But if I were looking for a extremely robust, reliable and versatile watch It would be the sub.
Once and if, omega stops producing the speedy in its original form we will talk
The exclusivity is what Rolex want to make their brand feels more luxurious.
First! Because it's Rolex?
Bear Clooney Watches Respektos my phriend
Respektos Larry
Hahahahaha pretty much... Rolex knows how to run a brand better than almost any company on earth... Rolex and Apple.
Neo probably my choice too.
Federico Talks Watches Rolex and apple best comparison of all time
If you’re a normal non WIS/collector and want one good watch that covers everything- the sub is better. Rolex May change this as they outprice most “normal” people who aren’t sportsmen/drug dealers etc but Tudor is plugging that gap or omega seamaster.
If you have a few watches then chances are, you will have automatic watches and sapphire crystals etc so a manual wind plastic glass watch is cool and different and endearing. It’s my weekend watch and I wear a Grand Seiko Springdrive to work in the week which is technically perfect... but I love my speedy 😁
The sub looks better, is more durable, is made of more desirable materials, and is a SUBMARINER. This is from a Speedy owner who does not own a sub.
It's all about marketing. Is the submariner 3 or 4 times better than the speedy ? I doubt it!
I don't think that I am the only one who does not want a stopwatch. I would rather have a diver at half the price than a Speedy.
The Rolex is not difficult to get, yes maybe you will not find it at the 20 AD's in your area, but i never had a issue getting one.
And for the people that find it a hassle to call around, the grey market is full of Rolex watches
You just want a Sub/hulk, and not an MOTFM.. You just answered it! Sub is the deal. Period! For my part I prefer SD's, they are the real deal. But that's all down to personal choice...
Because people want what is hard to get.
First of all, almost every AD will have a sub available or can source one super fast. You are comparing an in house Rolex with a non-inhouse speedy, not really fair to be honest. Also the prices are not really that different.
Wow I disagree with all your statements. 1. No, no they cannot source one super fast. 2. The omega is no officially in house but Lemania is owned by omega. The Lemania is not exclusive but is very nearly exclusive to omega. 3; The price is LITERALLY half, making it not similar at all...
Honestly, the way that Rolex manipulates their customers is frustrating. I wouldn’t give them a dime. Omega/JLC/IWC makes equal or better watches without BS.