We are so proud of all our veterans. Its a disgrace that governments says it cares but in reality their actions show they couldn't give a toss. God bless all our veterans.
Veteran of 23 years service on Armour. I joined to defend our society and way of life from the soviets in 1985. I never had a problem with being deployed anywhere I believed that the government sent us cause it was justified, legal and in defence of our society. My issue started after I left and I got curious about the war on terror which did not make any sense even with the reasons the government gave us. We lost so many and accomplished what? I have nothing but love for my fellow veterans but nothing but disdain for politicians and hatred for bush/Blair.
I had the same experience and I've had my doubts but when I started reading about the killing (literally and figuratively ), that US politicians were making from the never ending wars, I felt that we've been lied to and unless the UK is being invaded, I wouldn't fire a shot for those Bas°°°ds. 20 years to replace the Taliban by the Talibans. All lives lost for that?
What an absolute legend that guy is, not all heroes where capes. Just goes to show the tough stuff and resolve certain men and woman who serve in the forces have in their very being. You are saluted 🇬🇧
We should all be proud that this country can still produce men of this calibre. We should all be grateful and thankful for his patriotism and pray that the spoilt indulged youth of today get a dose of realism in their lives.
I'm glad someone is proud to be British and stand up for us. Anyone would think patriotism was illegal these days. Without people like him, we'd all be speaking German under a jew-killing dictator, but I'm sure there's someone trying to rewrite that part of history in Oxford right now.
IMO, I don’t see many people being against patriotism-I do see people trying to make up what is “British” and being nationalist. In my opinion, being British isn’t about racism, arbitrarily kicking out refugees, thinking we’re superior by right or putting British flags everywhere. I think being British is fundamentally about competence, democracy, acceptance, a strong state, unity, perseverance and politeness-among many other things, that’s what Britain is famous for (even if never fully embodied those values). Yeah sometimes I wish we could return to the cold-war era of outrage over Hitler. Nowadays it feels like people are forgetting just how nasty Hitler was and sweeping him under the rug of ‘history’. Wish you the best
Don't tell me that the UK fought against Hitler to defend freedom and democracy. It did it to defend the interests of a slave empire, hardly better than nazism. The truly civilized men are like Gandhi and know that there are better ways, without violence, to reach freedom and dignity.
Standing up for you? You realize those illegal forever wars that kill all those asians are actually against the people on the UK right? Imperialism costs the working class back home, costs you in freedoms, in money and diverted funds, and doesn't make you safer
Long live this man. So many pretentious people at a these “higher level” establishments have no idea what suffering and sacrifice this man has underwent BEFORE the blast. Men who have been through serious situations laugh at pretentious people, and those who argue/comment either for or against something without having direct first-hand knowledge and experience about the topic.
Very well put, i wouldn't fight for king nor queen but would fight to preserve this great nation and every one of of you common people if i was called up. Like him, simply because you are all worth it! What an absolute legend!
What was he fighting for exactly? what have been good to hear why he felt it was right to fight for the UK because he wasnt fighting for its culture thats for sure
THAT is what REAL HEROISM looks like Ladies and Gentlemen! A Simple man, answering the call to protect his Family, Country, and ALL his Countrymen at a drop of a dime! I hope to be HALF a man as Mr. Ormrod has proven to this world to be!!
@@gbrown9694 Now we have Wladimir Putin and his aggression toward Ukraine and all East Europe. Maybe England won't be threatend by this, but we in Poland know, that heroes like this soldier will be needed, to protect safety of others.
Yes peace is vital but the old Chinese proverb says if you want peace prepare for war.I will not compare how much more better a person he is than me because there is NO comparison … I salute you sir!
All respect to this brave, honourable and articulate man. Thank you indeed for your service. Contrast him with George Galloway who is truly a horrible person. Not a word spoke by him has done anything other than inflame conflict and widen the gap of understanding between people. He is an extreme egotist whom we can do no better than to ignore.
He’s a hero but he fought in wars that did not need to be fought and he lost limbs fighting against people who had no threat against our king, country or the people in it. It is not the fault of him or any person in the armed forces but instead the politicians above who send the people of this country off to fight and die in meaningless wars that are not fought for freedom but instead for oil and maintaining the west’s global hegemony over other less well off nations. This man is an absolute hero but the cause he fought for was not at all heroic and many veterans are very aware that the west was the evil force in the Middle East
He joined Her Majesty's armed forces knowing that he would be killing innocent civilians ! He is culpable .When he witnessed the murder of those civilians he had the choice to withdraw his service .He's no hero .
The greatest respect to that man and his audience. I try to keep an eye out closely at these university events; both here and across the pond. It is particularly the latter which has me worried; were it seems to be the case American students are entitled, disrespectful, and refuse to understand the concept of debate. This worries me as quite so often, American society is the tail that wags the body of British society. In this brief clip, it appears this not to be the case, for which I am very grateful. Students and audience member a like who believe that they should not fight for King country (something that I personally do not agree with) still possess the class to applaud this man, a standing ovation no less, for his personal sacrifice, even if the man in question disagrees with the notion. I applaud everyone in the room for their respect, most notably the president who was first to rise, and for the speaker, for his service to our wonderful country.
This is a incredibly HONORABLE man. But I wonder 🤔 if he ever asked himself why go to Iraq & Afghanistan? b/c these two countries never attacked your homeland. How many invasion armies come from these countries?
This man sets an example of exemplary service to his country, so did Muhammad Ali by not joining armed forces of his country. It's always great and wonderful when it's appreciated for the better cause
@@emilianosintarias7337 what I tried to say is that unjustified warfare isn't acceptable at any cost. The film "1917" shows it incredibly well that what horror experience do war bring. Dialogue and diplomacy are the only peaceful way out of a conflict
@@thatsmybird8432 but this guy is unrepentant and is here upholding the glory of war. And that's putting it nicely, these 21st century "wars" are nothing like 1917. No clash of world powers. 6 million civilians dead, unprovoked invasions of 3rd world countries, death squads, infrastructure targeted, for empire. It's t-rrorism. Not to mention what it is does to the people of the home countries (US/UK), it's an attack on them too as trillions is stolen from them.
@@thatsmybird8432 if you think that the First World War could have been simply resolved with dialogue and diplomacy, I might have a bridge to sell you.
@@qboxer That's the sacrifice we did to gain our freedom from imperialistic world. They say you have to sacrifice something to gain better than what you have
I have a question; what is the logical explanation for showing this clip with a week's delay!? I suspect that a fantastic speech, in the same debate by G.Galloway can explain everything!. M.Ormrod's tragic fate is the best proof that lack of education can be very costly! No wonder the people gathered in the hall jumped to their feet with such verve enthusiasm. Lots of applause and merciful looks, supported by enthusiastic shouts of approval (what a tribute to this brave and heroic national "hero") will allow each of them to stay at a safe distance from any armed conflict! And it is their pious wish, that such useful idiots are born every minute!
This man is a HERO. Although most all vets say, the real heroes are those who didn't come home. I hope & pray this man is now firmly engaged in the battle against Leftism & woke ideaology.
Come off it mate. I don’t doubt the bravery of him or anyone who were on the frontlines but the sad fact is thousands of men and women either died or now suffer from long term physical/psychological issues over a pointless, imperialistic war that achieved nothing. And that’s just those who served there. There’s the impact this has had on their loved ones too. And frankly, that’s nothing compared to the consequences this war had on millions of innocent people in Afghanistan/Iraq. If acknowledging these facts is “leftist” and “woke” then I’ll gladly take that branding.
I wonder what the Queen was doing in Iraq? He lost his body for oil companies and it’s a shame the people who sent him to a foreign country will not be tried.
@@jacobcohen9205 I think we all really need to ask ourselves whether it truly is necessary or if violence will just beget more violence. I’m afraid that we mostly fight because of the military-industrial complex (i.e., everyone in the world who profits from war), which truly is an international leviathan at this point. That’s not to cheapen this soldier’s sacrifice, because we really cannot know the motives of everyone involved in making these decisions. I don’t even think they can know the full extent of their own motives. George Bush had an interesting slip up in the last year in which he criticized Putin for invading Iraq, which certainly seemed like a bushism as a result of a guilty conscience.
@@michaelseanderry We know the 'motive or reason the Yanks and their allies went into Afghanistan Michael. We also know why the American-led coalition went into Kuwait in 1990. The only thing not clear is why Tony Blair encouraged Bush to go in again. 'Campbell's 'sexing up' the WMD dossier moment and the death of Dr Kelly are also 'interesting'. I was a serving soldier during this time, not in Iraq though. Were we misled, by Blair and Bush? I believe we were. As Eisenhower first said, 'We must be aware of the 'military-industrial complex'. The inference is they start wars for profit. I'm not convinced of that. Your conclusion regarding Bush and his slip-up is interesting. What motive do you have for that, I wonder?
No way would I sacrifice my life for this country , nobody cares about our culture our religion, our way of life , I would stop my sons and grandchildren from defending this country,
@@gemmag.2988 Go and read the names of all the young men and women on the war monuments who sacrificed their life’s for freedom Look how this generation are repaying them , It’s absolutely disgusting Like I said as an English man If Russia was invading Britain tomorrow I’d welcome them as liberators
This is sad, sad, propaganda. Sad that a man would suffer for something unrelated to king, country or the people in the room, but to believe in error that he did. Giving him a standing ovation is a kind gesture but in many ways, after stating what he did, it makes things worse, not better. The emotive aspect of his presentation tipped the scales of a debate that lost itself in the Question. If Henry Kissinger could say, that "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" then it is even worse when the foreign policy is written by a nation other than your own, or a corporate entity. Israel being a chief candidate for such Nation. Oh the valient IDF set such a fine example left from this debate. 1 000 000 died in Iraq with this "king and country" being the illegal aggressor and instigator of war. no triple amputees being paraded here from the women and children placed in harms way by men who proudly did that killing and maiming for their corrupt king (queen) and country. The youngsters in this room cheering this on are of the age that would go to fight, except made ignorant of the reality yet seduced with the age old promise of adventure. only the PTSD inflicted on the guilty in the maturing years might cure them of this misplaced concept of valor and honour. So many of these soldiers end up turning professional and working for private military companies who have to constantly change their names to escape the shame of what they have done and continue to do by and in concert with the corporate festering King and Country kabal we call modern government. Oxford Union, what a shameful display. We know you know better and yet you stitch up such a thing? Soldiers are stripped of their right to conscience so they will obey. such men, without conscience cannot argue for being morally right because the faculty is laid bare. only a defector can do so. You know what they do to defectors?
I'm sorry for his terrible suffering and accept that the truth is too hard to face, but this is ridiculous. And it does nobody any good to pretend he served his countryman or any greater cause.
You should be sorry for millions of people killed in Afghanistan, Iraq , Libya by idiots like this hypocrite guy,he got what he diserve I'm sad for the real victims not the monsters like him,he will end up committing suicide if he has a heat
Mark Ormrod is a brave man. He has certainly made the ultimate sacrifice for his King and Country/Kingdom/United Kingdom. It is impossible to use logic and reason to argue against a man, a human being, a father of a little girl when the emotional appeal trumps all other arguments to deal with reality. He was injured in Iraq. Iraq or Saddam Hussein who were accused of making weapons of mass destruction by the George W. Bush administration and verified by the Tony Blair administration. Of course, if you actually visited Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Egypt these are societies who are pre-industrialized. They do not have the social structure nor have they evolved to the point where they can build modern weapons of mass destruction. It is still the USA and the UK (and their NATO allies) who are true modern industrialized societies and have the capability to make weapons of mass destruction. No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. But the USA and the UK have petroleum producing companies who are known to have taken crude oil from Iraqi oil wells. There are key cabinet members of the Bush administration who were active or former high ranking executives in petroleum refining companies and weapons manufacturing companies. While this does not prove any collusion between US and UK governments with fossil fuel refining or weapons manufacturing companies, it also does not look good. After the attack on Iraq and regime change by the US and her NATO allies the terrorists organization of the region seem to gain more support in the Middle East and North Africa. It seems that attacking Iraq and replacing the Hussein's regime on false pretenses created more anti-Western sentiments in the region and resulted in the devastating injuries suffered by an honorable English warrior serving Queen and Country. The USA and the UK have open societies with elected officials. The people of the USA and the UK cannot claim they led into a war where many people suffered because of a totalitarian government. The people of a democratic republic has to accept some responsibility for the actions of its society. The only way we can do the right and honorable thing is to have open debate is to questions distortion of the truth, I.e. lies. Mark Ormrod is an honorable man who is willing to sacrifice himself without question. Is that what a democratic republic is? If so then ideas of accelerated western civilization ahead of everybody else on this planet mean nothing. The USA should give up its sovereignty and follow Charles III of England. The UK should give up parliament and put Charles III back on the throne of England with the absolute power to rule as King. Because King is Country. As Charles the I of England said during his trial by Parliament, "I am England." The people of the UK only serve the King. Wake up America and England for you have the right to vote. To use reason and logic to guide governance. Do not let blind emotion direct your action.
Nice to guilt members just before voting with such a blatant appeal to emotion. Seems the man himself has a major sunk cost complex. Glad to see one of the debaters (Galloway) can still think for himself.
Pretty cheap move by the opposition to put this man on the floor, especially given that he presented no argument. This is political theatrics, not a debate.
He has to tell himself that.... but both those wars were completely unnecessary... what exactly was he fighting for??? A million dead in Iraq? and Afghanistan a country on the brink of collapse... what exactly were we fighting for thousands of miles from the UK?
ذهبت للعراق على اساس كذبة امريكية وقتلتم وعذبتم الالاف من العراقيين وليس هناك ما تفتخر به دمرتم بلدا باكمله اغرقتم شعبه في مستنقع وحل لم يستطع شعبه الى الان ان يخرج رأسه منه انتقمت الحياة منك بطريقة ساخرة فقد اخذت منك ذراعك ورجلك ولكن مع الاسف لم تأخذ روحك كما اخذت انت واميرك وزملاؤك ارواح الالاف
It's not a reasoning, it's a sort of logic. As no one can change the past, he is only left with the control of his attitude in the present. So he has to find an attitude which spares him regret for the past. And for the future he finds meaning in the upbringing of his daughter. I can't but feel deeply for this man and wish him the best.
@@winnie796 I listened again, just for you. He deployed 3 times, suffered horrifically, almost left his child fatherless....but he would do it again " for you". Yep, definitely requires further explanation before I would go through this "for king and country".
@@10andrico I suppose it is hard to explain the desire to fulfil a vocation. It is hard enough to understand why the fireman risks going into burning buildings, time and time again, to save a life. It is certainly not for the money. I served like him and finished my service with injuries, thankfully not as bad as his, and I would do it all again too. I dare say you would feel the need to defend family or loved ones if they were threatened. Some of us feel the same need to protect the wider community, our country. We know there are bullies out there who have no regard for our lives, let alone their own people's lives. Some might argue that we are the cause of their hatred towards us and there may be some truth to that. It still does not change the fact that there are leaders and people out there who do want to cause us harm and we need to protect ourselves from them. We do not fight for the fun of it. We probably love peace more than anyone because we have seen first hand the alternative, war. We can bandy negative words about how we both think and believe. Most call us naiive, which I can understand, but it is not true. We are very clear on our purpose and we think about it very carefully. Perhaps we just see things differently. We are easy to criticise by those who do not think as we do. When we see the people we have saved and heard their thanks, it is all the reward and recognition we need. Many think this man's sacrifice in Afghanistan was a waste. Probably the same people that criticised his presence there in the first place. I'll guarantee that life in Afghanistan, now that he is not there, is a lot worse than when he was.
@@winnie796 Comparing a warrior going half-across the world to kill afghans, iraqi's, argentines with a fireman is almost an insult to firemen, bravery, duty, self-sacrifice (and probably 20 other virtues)
Just listened to Mark on Jockopod, and I was so happy to see this speech as the top result when I searched for it. Mark has an amazing story...
This warrior is a thousand times the man I could ever hope of being
Send in your enrolment papers then you coward grub.
Nah.. He is not.. He just got cought
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Good to see someone speak who has an education
We are so proud of all our veterans. Its a disgrace that governments says it cares but in reality their actions show they couldn't give a toss. God bless all our veterans.
This 👆
Veteran of 23 years service on Armour.
I joined to defend our society and way of life from the soviets in 1985. I never had a problem with being deployed anywhere I believed that the government sent us cause it was justified, legal and in defence of our society.
My issue started after I left and I got curious about the war on terror which did not make any sense even with the reasons the government gave us. We lost so many and accomplished what? I have nothing but love for my fellow veterans but nothing but disdain for politicians and hatred for bush/Blair.
eyes that suddenly start seeing....
I had the same experience and I've had my doubts but when I started reading about the killing (literally and figuratively ), that US politicians were making from the never ending wars, I felt that we've been lied to and unless the UK is being invaded, I wouldn't fire a shot for those Bas°°°ds.
20 years to replace the Taliban by the Talibans. All lives lost for that?
might that be a little unfair exposition on the reason we overthrew saddam?
"Once I was blind, now I can see" kudos on your service, unquestionable service👍👍🪂🪂 John 9:25
What an absolute legend that guy is, not all heroes where capes. Just goes to show the tough stuff and resolve certain men and woman who serve in the forces have in their very being. You are saluted 🇬🇧
I would like to praise the parents of this man for a job so well done.
We should all be proud that this country can still produce men of this calibre. We should all be grateful and thankful for his patriotism and pray that the spoilt indulged youth of today get a dose of realism in their lives.
What an amazing man. Thankyou Mark you are a true hero.
I'm glad someone is proud to be British and stand up for us. Anyone would think patriotism was illegal these days. Without people like him, we'd all be speaking German under a jew-killing dictator, but I'm sure there's someone trying to rewrite that part of history in Oxford right now.
i do not believe this young man he now is justifying joining the army to hide what he really joined for
IMO, I don’t see many people being against patriotism-I do see people trying to make up what is “British” and being nationalist. In my opinion, being British isn’t about racism, arbitrarily kicking out refugees, thinking we’re superior by right or putting British flags everywhere. I think being British is fundamentally about competence, democracy, acceptance, a strong state, unity, perseverance and politeness-among many other things, that’s what Britain is famous for (even if never fully embodied those values).
Yeah sometimes I wish we could return to the cold-war era of outrage over Hitler. Nowadays it feels like people are forgetting just how nasty Hitler was and sweeping him under the rug of ‘history’.
Wish you the best
Don't tell me that the UK fought against Hitler to defend freedom and democracy. It did it to defend the interests of a slave empire, hardly better than nazism. The truly civilized men are like Gandhi and know that there are better ways, without violence, to reach freedom and dignity.
Standing up for you? You realize those illegal forever wars that kill all those asians are actually against the people on the UK right? Imperialism costs the working class back home, costs you in freedoms, in money and diverted funds, and doesn't make you safer
How you and anyone who liked your comment came to that conclusion on this video is baffling. Did you just read the title and react to that?
Long live this man.
So many pretentious people at a these “higher level” establishments have no idea what suffering and sacrifice this man has underwent BEFORE the blast.
Men who have been through serious situations laugh at pretentious people, and those who argue/comment either for or against something without having direct first-hand knowledge and experience about the topic.
Very well put, i wouldn't fight for king nor queen but would fight to preserve this great nation and every one of of you common people if i was called up.
Like him, simply because you are all worth it!
What an absolute legend!
What was he fighting for exactly? what have been good to hear why he felt it was right to fight for the UK because he wasnt fighting for its culture thats for sure
What a guy! Respect.
of all the pompous, self congratulatory standing ovations I've seen in my time, this one was truly deserved. What a legend.
This one man is braver than eveyone in that room.
THAT is what REAL HEROISM looks like Ladies and Gentlemen! A Simple man, answering the call to protect his Family, Country, and ALL his Countrymen at a drop of a dime! I hope to be HALF a man as Mr. Ormrod has proven to this world to be!!
What kind of tiger are you?
Protect from who? Saddam was never a threat? And Afghanistan never attacked anyone!
@@gbrown9694 Now we have Wladimir Putin and his aggression toward Ukraine and all East Europe. Maybe England won't be threatend by this, but we in Poland know, that heroes like this soldier will be needed, to protect safety of others.
@@pawelpm100 You must be the same idiot who believe that the Iraqis had WMD's.
@@pawelpm100 Putin was aggressive because the west were aggressive and provoking first
Semper Fidelis, Marine brother Mark Ormrod!
I notice George Galloway refused to either clap or stand..
says a lot.
I can think of just one word...
Yes peace is vital but the old Chinese proverb says if you want peace prepare for war.I will not compare how much more better a person he is than me because there is NO comparison … I salute you sir!
What an eloquent address. He has nothing to apologize for!
God bless you Mark Ormrod and all our vets.
All respect to this brave, honourable and articulate man. Thank you indeed for your service. Contrast him with George Galloway who is truly a horrible person. Not a word spoke by him has done anything other than inflame conflict and widen the gap of understanding between people. He is an extreme egotist whom we can do no better than to ignore.
Top bloke.....steel bollocks.Full respect.
What a guy. Legend.
Well deserved Royal, good to see you are doing ok... U P
Galloway sitting as usual. He doesn’t have the balls to admit that he praised the very men who attacked British soldiers like this lad
Am I the only one that sees the humor and irony in the title of this video??😮😅😮😅
Something the young and privileged
must come to grips with and understand.💯
Absolute admiration and respect to you Sir.
🇺🇸❤️💙🇬🇧
He’s a hero but he fought in wars that did not need to be fought and he lost limbs fighting against people who had no threat against our king, country or the people in it.
It is not the fault of him or any person in the armed forces but instead the politicians above who send the people of this country off to fight and die in meaningless wars that are not fought for freedom but instead for oil and maintaining the west’s global hegemony over other less well off nations. This man is an absolute hero but the cause he fought for was not at all heroic and many veterans are very aware that the west was the evil force in the Middle East
He joined Her Majesty's armed forces knowing that he would be killing innocent civilians ! He is culpable .When he witnessed the murder of those civilians he had the choice to withdraw his service .He's no hero .
True
Dear hero I salute you but you are meant to be a warrior for YOUR country not for stinking global cabala.
We will remember them.
The greatest respect to that man and his audience. I try to keep an eye out closely at these university events; both here and across the pond. It is particularly the latter which has me worried; were it seems to be the case American students are entitled, disrespectful, and refuse to understand the concept of debate. This worries me as quite so often, American society is the tail that wags the body of British society.
In this brief clip, it appears this not to be the case, for which I am very grateful. Students and audience member a like who believe that they should not fight for King country (something that I personally do not agree with) still possess the class to applaud this man, a standing ovation no less, for his personal sacrifice, even if the man in question disagrees with the notion.
I applaud everyone in the room for their respect, most notably the president who was first to rise, and for the speaker, for his service to our wonderful country.
What a man. The thumbnail is very misleading but I feel sorry for this guy. The government treats vets like disposable cutlery.
What can you say? He said it all so well.
This is a incredibly HONORABLE man. But I wonder 🤔 if he ever asked himself why go to Iraq & Afghanistan? b/c these two countries never attacked your homeland. How many invasion armies come from these countries?
Absolutely hoofing Royal 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
UK has an Indian PM? Holy Lord! Utter disbelief. I am speechless. Lord save us!!!
Ignorance is Bliss
This man sets an example of exemplary service to his country, so did Muhammad Ali by not joining armed forces of his country. It's always great and wonderful when it's appreciated for the better cause
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@@emilianosintarias7337 what I tried to say is that unjustified warfare isn't acceptable at any cost. The film "1917" shows it incredibly well that what horror experience do war bring. Dialogue and diplomacy are the only peaceful way out of a conflict
@@thatsmybird8432 but this guy is unrepentant and is here upholding the glory of war. And that's putting it nicely, these 21st century "wars" are nothing like 1917. No clash of world powers. 6 million civilians dead, unprovoked invasions of 3rd world countries, death squads, infrastructure targeted, for empire. It's t-rrorism. Not to mention what it is does to the people of the home countries (US/UK), it's an attack on them too as trillions is stolen from them.
@@thatsmybird8432 if you think that the First World War could have been simply resolved with dialogue and diplomacy, I might have a bridge to sell you.
@@qboxer That's the sacrifice we did to gain our freedom from imperialistic world. They say you have to sacrifice something to gain better than what you have
I have a question; what is the logical explanation for showing this clip with a week's delay!? I suspect that a fantastic speech, in the same debate by G.Galloway can explain everything!. M.Ormrod's tragic fate is the best proof that lack of education can be very costly! No wonder the people gathered in the hall jumped to their feet with such verve enthusiasm. Lots of applause and merciful looks, supported by enthusiastic shouts of approval (what a tribute to this brave and heroic national "hero") will allow each of them to stay at a safe distance from any armed conflict! And it is their pious wish, that such useful idiots are born every minute!
This man is a HERO. Although most all vets say, the real heroes are those who didn't come home.
I hope & pray this man is now firmly engaged in the battle against Leftism & woke ideaology.
Come off it mate. I don’t doubt the bravery of him or anyone who were on the frontlines but the sad fact is thousands of men and women either died or now suffer from long term physical/psychological issues over a pointless, imperialistic war that achieved nothing. And that’s just those who served there. There’s the impact this has had on their loved ones too. And frankly, that’s nothing compared to the consequences this war had on millions of innocent people in Afghanistan/Iraq.
If acknowledging these facts is “leftist” and “woke” then I’ll gladly take that branding.
I wonder what the Queen was doing in Iraq? He lost his body for oil companies and it’s a shame the people who sent him to a foreign country will not be tried.
This man shows us how absolutely important peace is. There is really NOTHING worth the life or the impairment of a person.
Sometimes,' peace' means sacrifice from brave men and women, simple cruel fact of life.
@@jacobcohen9205 I gather you have posted in your enrolment papers then champ? Thought not. Weak prick.
@@jacobcohen9205 I think we all really need to ask ourselves whether it truly is necessary or if violence will just beget more violence. I’m afraid that we mostly fight because of the military-industrial complex (i.e., everyone in the world who profits from war), which truly is an international leviathan at this point. That’s not to cheapen this soldier’s sacrifice, because we really cannot know the motives of everyone involved in making these decisions. I don’t even think they can know the full extent of their own motives. George Bush had an interesting slip up in the last year in which he criticized Putin for invading Iraq, which certainly seemed like a bushism as a result of a guilty conscience.
@DoubtingThomas What was the 'price'? And what is your source for that claim?
@@michaelseanderry We know the 'motive or reason the Yanks and their allies went into Afghanistan Michael.
We also know why the American-led coalition went into Kuwait in 1990.
The only thing not clear is why Tony Blair encouraged Bush to go in again. 'Campbell's 'sexing up' the WMD dossier moment and the death of Dr Kelly are also 'interesting'. I was a serving soldier during this time, not in Iraq though.
Were we misled, by Blair and Bush? I believe we were.
As Eisenhower first said, 'We must be aware of the 'military-industrial complex'. The inference is they start wars for profit. I'm not convinced of that.
Your conclusion regarding Bush and his slip-up is interesting. What motive do you have for that, I wonder?
Someone did a motivational video about his story, I can recommend it.
It really costs an arm and a leg to speak at the Oxford Union these days
No way would I sacrifice my life for this country , nobody cares about our culture our religion, our way of life , I would stop my sons and grandchildren from defending this country,
Wrong. British people care but our govts. don't!
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Go and read the names of all the young men and women on the war monuments who sacrificed their life’s for freedom
Look how this generation are repaying them , It’s absolutely disgusting
Like I said as an English man If Russia was invading Britain tomorrow I’d welcome them as liberators
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thank you
This is sad, sad, propaganda. Sad that a man would suffer for something unrelated to king, country or the people in the room, but to believe in error that he did. Giving him a standing ovation is a kind gesture but in many ways, after stating what he did, it makes things worse, not better. The emotive aspect of his presentation tipped the scales of a debate that lost itself in the Question. If Henry Kissinger could say, that "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" then it is even worse when the foreign policy is written by a nation other than your own, or a corporate entity. Israel being a chief candidate for such Nation. Oh the valient IDF set such a fine example left from this debate.
1 000 000 died in Iraq with this "king and country" being the illegal aggressor and instigator of war. no triple amputees being paraded here from the women and children placed in harms way by men who proudly did that killing and maiming for their corrupt king (queen) and country. The youngsters in this room cheering this on are of the age that would go to fight, except made ignorant of the reality yet seduced with the age old promise of adventure. only the PTSD inflicted on the guilty in the maturing years might cure them of this misplaced concept of valor and honour.
So many of these soldiers end up turning professional and working for private military companies who have to constantly change their names to escape the shame of what they have done and continue to do by and in concert with the corporate festering King and Country kabal we call modern government. Oxford Union, what a shameful display. We know you know better and yet you stitch up such a thing?
Soldiers are stripped of their right to conscience so they will obey. such men, without conscience cannot argue for being morally right because the faculty is laid bare. only a defector can do so. You know what they do to defectors?
I'm sorry for his terrible suffering and accept that the truth is too hard to face, but this is ridiculous. And it does nobody any good to pretend he served his countryman or any greater cause.
Is complicit in the murder of 70000 Afganis and Pakistanis in an illegal war .
You should be sorry for millions of people killed in Afghanistan, Iraq , Libya by idiots like this hypocrite guy,he got what he diserve I'm sad for the real victims not the monsters like him,he will end up committing suicide if he has a heat
And to those sub-optimal-UK-citizens who would not server King-And-Country, this is why you should, if you have to do so.
humbling ... Britain will fight for liberal values and decency
Cant believe there's still some people sitting
jocko sent me here
Mark Ormrod is a brave man. He has certainly made the ultimate sacrifice for his King and Country/Kingdom/United Kingdom. It is impossible to use logic and reason to argue against a man, a human being, a father of a little girl when the emotional appeal trumps all other arguments to deal with reality. He was injured in Iraq. Iraq or Saddam Hussein who were accused of making weapons of mass destruction by the George W. Bush administration and verified by the Tony Blair administration. Of course, if you actually visited Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Egypt these are societies who are pre-industrialized. They do not have the social structure nor have they evolved to the point where they can build modern weapons of mass destruction. It is still the USA and the UK (and their NATO allies) who are true modern industrialized societies and have the capability to make weapons of mass destruction. No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. But the USA and the UK have petroleum producing companies who are known to have taken crude oil from Iraqi oil wells. There are key cabinet members of the Bush administration who were active or former high ranking executives in petroleum refining companies and weapons manufacturing companies. While this does not prove any collusion between US and UK governments with fossil fuel refining or weapons manufacturing companies, it also does not look good. After the attack on Iraq and regime change by the US and her NATO allies the terrorists organization of the region seem to gain more support in the Middle East and North Africa. It seems that attacking Iraq and replacing the Hussein's regime on false pretenses created more anti-Western sentiments in the region and resulted in the devastating injuries suffered by an honorable English warrior serving Queen and Country. The USA and the UK have open societies with elected officials. The people of the USA and the UK cannot claim they led into a war where many people suffered because of a totalitarian government. The people of a democratic republic has to accept some responsibility for the actions of its society. The only way we can do the right and honorable thing is to have open debate is to questions distortion of the truth, I.e. lies. Mark Ormrod is an honorable man who is willing to sacrifice himself without question. Is that what a democratic republic is? If so then ideas of accelerated western civilization ahead of everybody else on this planet mean nothing. The USA should give up its sovereignty and follow Charles III of England. The UK should give up parliament and put Charles III back on the throne of England with the absolute power to rule as King. Because King is Country. As Charles the I of England said during his trial by Parliament, "I am England." The people of the UK only serve the King. Wake up America and England for you have the right to vote. To use reason and logic to guide governance. Do not let blind emotion direct your action.
Crippled for a forgotten bogus war; the man who sent him there is a now real estate mogul. Glorification of such exploitation by the state is sad
Nice to guilt members just before voting with such a blatant appeal to emotion.
Seems the man himself has a major sunk cost complex.
Glad to see one of the debaters (Galloway) can still think for himself.
I noticed several not joining in with the clap
Sad that man lost so much for nothing.
Pretty cheap move by the opposition to put this man on the floor, especially given that he presented no argument. This is political theatrics, not a debate.
He wasn't put on the floor by the opposition, he spoke during floor speeches. Do your research
@@nickd553 It is a cheap move by conservatives and it tries to justify British imperialism over other nations
@@ОбичанЧовек-ч9г That's strange, when was imperialism justified?? I must have missed it
@@nickd553 It was justified when killing Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq was presented as „serving for people and king"
It’s not a question of fighting for a king a queen or a piece of land even ! it’s the idea that those all together represent
He has to tell himself that.... but both those wars were completely unnecessary... what exactly was he fighting for??? A million dead in Iraq? and Afghanistan a country on the brink of collapse... what exactly were we fighting for thousands of miles from the UK?
Absolutely
ذهبت للعراق على اساس كذبة امريكية وقتلتم وعذبتم الالاف من العراقيين وليس هناك ما تفتخر به دمرتم بلدا باكمله اغرقتم شعبه في مستنقع وحل لم يستطع شعبه الى الان ان يخرج رأسه منه انتقمت الحياة منك بطريقة ساخرة فقد اخذت منك ذراعك ورجلك ولكن مع الاسف لم تأخذ روحك كما اخذت انت واميرك وزملاؤك ارواح الالاف
The phrasing is incorrect and has a negative connotation..it should be Why Scotland’s future is better off being part of the union.
Lost his limbs in service of big business and oil barons
Hyppocrites...
He ends by stating he would do it all over again. After all his suffering and loss.
I would love to have heard his reasoning.
then you were not listening to a word he said from the beginning.
It's not a reasoning, it's a sort of logic. As no one can change the past, he is only left with the control of his attitude in the present. So he has to find an attitude which spares him regret for the past. And for the future he finds meaning in the upbringing of his daughter. I can't but feel deeply for this man and wish him the best.
@@winnie796 I listened again, just for you.
He deployed 3 times, suffered horrifically, almost left his child fatherless....but he would do it again " for you". Yep, definitely requires further explanation before I would go through this "for king and country".
@@10andrico I suppose it is hard to explain the desire to fulfil a vocation. It is hard enough to understand why the fireman risks going into burning buildings, time and time again, to save a life. It is certainly not for the money. I served like him and finished my service with injuries, thankfully not as bad as his, and I would do it all again too. I dare say you would feel the need to defend family or loved ones if they were threatened. Some of us feel the same need to protect the wider community, our country. We know there are bullies out there who have no regard for our lives, let alone their own people's lives. Some might argue that we are the cause of their hatred towards us and there may be some truth to that. It still does not change the fact that there are leaders and people out there who do want to cause us harm and we need to protect ourselves from them. We do not fight for the fun of it. We probably love peace more than anyone because we have seen first hand the alternative, war. We can bandy negative words about how we both think and believe. Most call us naiive, which I can understand, but it is not true. We are very clear on our purpose and we think about it very carefully. Perhaps we just see things differently. We are easy to criticise by those who do not think as we do. When we see the people we have saved and heard their thanks, it is all the reward and recognition we need. Many think this man's sacrifice in Afghanistan was a waste. Probably the same people that criticised his presence there in the first place. I'll guarantee that life in Afghanistan, now that he is not there, is a lot worse than when he was.
@@winnie796 Comparing a warrior going half-across the world to kill afghans, iraqi's, argentines with a fireman is almost an insult to firemen, bravery, duty, self-sacrifice (and probably 20 other virtues)
l can't watch him,it makes me so angry.
total admiration,for him.
angry in what way ?
Nothing honorable about defending a history of oppression and robbery
War injuries are not a rational argument for war. Disgraceful