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f0rest said on stream that he has no intention of retiring and that he enjoys the game so much that wished there was no player break so could go back to playing. This man is the definition of grit.
@@welcometolife4237 yeah but over 30 in esports is considered old. He's young irl but in his profession he's old if that makes sense. The fact he still has the drive and passion to still compete and improve is what makes it so impressive.
@@MontySlython I dont even know why they think the reaction time gets slower i never saw a 30year old guy with lower reaction time then a 20 or 16 years old
@@xRaiZx you never saw even one? That would mean that all 30yo you saw had better reaction times than 20yo. Please phrase it right. What you meant was: From my experience the mean reaction time doesnt differ between 20 and 30yo.
@@MontySlython its the mentality. Guys get burned out playing 30 hours a week for 10 years. The burnout leads to just a lack of motivation which will cause them to play worse and start getting sloppier aim most of the time.
@Zhào Liǔ it's not a problem of reflexes, it's a problem of eyesight. You wouldn't react to something you can't see. Nerves don't deteriorate because of you playing videogames. If you take precautions (use special glasses, rest properly, etc) I don't see an actual reason for a 30yo having a harder time playing videogames than a 20yo. Maybe in RTSs because of the high APM but definitely not on FPSs.
I was in that crowd, it was absolutely incredible, even if fucking North won that tournament. The problem with Swedish crowds is that we are kinds meh when there is no Swede playing but when there are Swedish teams playing we can get real loud.
13:47 this play is for the ages, just remember the facts: -nuke t side -NiP down 0-4 -he had 0 frags before that round -vs the godlike Astralis of 2018 -1 vs 4 + Ace clutch -almost no time left, he gets the first kill with only 42 seconds left to win the round -absolutely destroyed device with an AWP sitting at a headshot angle before cleaning up the whole team -4/5 kills where headshots
Santa of CS:GO XD Actually, f0rest is the boomer to boomers, he knew that the boomer were cursed by the zoomers. So he try to help the other boomers by improving his aim. I told you the true story, now give me a cookie >:((
eSports has barely started, and only dominated by kids cos of free time to play and stigma. Imo you'll see more grown players remaining competitive in the coming years as it becomes more socially acceptable.
Greifvogel that’s my theory too. Aiming is almost all reflexes. If you really look at aim, it’s a combination of many strung-together reflexes since you’re reacting to movement as well as what you are placing your crosshair. So it’s natural for aim to deteriorate as you age
@@Dog3D Yeah but did you guys not hear the pretty lady? It's negligible as opposed to the other factors that hinder a person as they age. You're not gonna see a big decline in reaction from 20 all the way probably to even 40 honestly. How could you explain MLB sluggers that stay in the game til their old age and they're going up against fucking 90+ zingers on the daily? Let's be honest here.
as a 32 year old just getting into CS, f0rest is a motivator for me to grind through the ranks and get better and better and stop worrying about my age. absolute legend. i've been watching on and off for a couple years, but only bought a PC a few years ago and was intimidated by jumping into such an old game that many people know so much better than me.
Just turned 40 and the guys I met recently (in their early 20's) are bringing me into comp matches with them and it's nice to see stuff like this after I get frustrated trying to keep up with them (Been gaming since Duke3D/Doom/Quake on dialup/lan), it's getting harder and harder to play in high intensity matches at the same level they do. He's only 30 so the age factor hasn't really kicked in full force yet for him but it still gives me hope that I can hold off the 'gamer retirement' a bit longer before getting sidelined to the perma-solo realm of has-beens. Maybe.
Probably the best cs player of all time. Really hope when he retires that he is gonna go be a coach to a team, or he is gonna teach kids how to play the game, how to stay consistent and just everything in the game, and out of the game! He can defiantly use his experience in so many good ways, i just hope that he picks something that helps kids.
I like how f0rest is always referred to as an "old man" and such but he still only is 32 years old. Hasn't even reached halftime ^^ May he frag out forever
As 29y old, i can tell first hand im not snappy as i would say 3y ago... More and more weight is put on experience from relefexes.... Its shitty feeling but yeah...
nsperience Slow down in your reflexes should not be noticeable in such a short time span( unless your playing at the highest level). We’re talking 50-80 ms at worst. My aim and reflexes have gotten consistently better over the years.
Kinda feel sad watching this hahah im 32 myself but actually on top of my game in Apex (Ranked #4 in the Netherlands) hope my skills wont dwindle fast ill keep my practice up haha :P hail to the oldies here
Depends on genes and environment but most folks reaction times don't start to truly fall off until their mid to late 40's. If you look at F1 racing there have been drivers that won into their mid 40's and that's pretty much the pinnacle of human reaction time measurement since failure means death and not pushing to the razor edge means a loss. I bet f0rest plays well into his late 30's and possibly until he's 40, anything past that is just icing on the cake tbh. That'd be a 30 year career at the highest level of a professional sport.
@Jeremy NL I think thats the big thing. The older people get the more responsibilities start to pile up. Theres families etc and you just start to move your attention elsewhere. Then the motivation to play starts to go down.
I feel really old when you said "the most famous beard", because the f0rest I know never had a beard. I stopped playing CS in 2012 when 1.6 died, but it was one of the best games I've ever played.
I used to be pretty decent at CS1.6 playing in ladders and going to LANs. I'm now 33. The issue isn't decline in reflexes as long as I have enough time to warm up I am still every bit as good as I was before. But as you get older other things take over - work, family and the rest - so you cannot commit to an 80 hour a week gaming schedule any more so you lose track of the meta and your game mechanics suffer a bit. That is what makes it harder to keep up with the youngsters.
I used to watch f0rest videos back when i played cs 1.6 like 15 years ago. He motivated me and always made me feel hyped! Since then he's been my favorite player.
This reminded me from the time i played with a guy that was 63 years old, i was 13 at the time so we were 50 years apart. He was a really chill guy and really nice very humble and Even had a kid that was 40 and had a wife. I think he had played cs for 20 years at the time i cant remember his steam name though and i didnt add him which im kinda sad about. Hey man If you see this, have a good life
I'm 37 years old right now and I'm chasing the dream in Valorant now. 28 years have passed since I've played the first FPS game in the history (Wolfstein 3D) and I can assure you, age is just a number, the numbers that matter are the KDA.
Good luck with Valorant! I recently turned 36, but i still feel like I can still click on some heads like I did in CS1.5/1.6 when i was 18/18 years old.
Yeah, the age discussion should be put down. I am 34 years, and I have a lot of 20ish friends that I game with. We also play Valorant. They have even played if longer than me. I almost always outfrag them and outclutch them. So I do agree with that the woman in this video says. The reaction time isn't that decaying in the age we are in. Maybe when you get a lot older, but then again experience comes to play and that can often be more valuable than clicking the mouse faster...
f0rest said himself that growing older isn’t too much of an issue mechanical wise, it’s more about the motivation one has to have grinding the game at that age. Older pros normally want more time to settle down and start the next chapter in their lives, but I’m sure that if someone who is 30+ wanted to still be at the top, they could do so. F0rest is a very prime example of that.
I'm getting close to 30 years old and I only see my awareness, reaction time, depth perception, and hand-eye coordination getting better every day. I don't believe for a second that a person can be too old to compete in which they need to retire. Priorities, injuries, and maybe eyesight I can understand. It's all mind over matter. Do not doubt yourself or lose confidence in oneself and you'll only see improvement. I'm talking video games btw cause obviously it's a different story in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc
Fun fact: HeatoN calls f0rest "Gaming Genious" due to his ability to get good at any game he touches. Apparently f0rest has been quite high rank in DotA2 and ended up in an argument with a player from LoL about LoL being the lesser game in terms of skill. And just by proving a point, he ranked to Challenger in LoL. A game he didn't even really play.
I think LoL heavily favors micro and individual perfomance, and with exceptional micro you can easily reach the upper echelons of non-pro play, even if your macro game equals that of a potato. LoL also favors skillshots and smaller aoe and duration cc, whereas Dota favors targeted casting and them big juicy cc chains. With the question in LoL often being "am I able to land this particular sequence of skills?", where in Dota the question is often "when is the the optimal time to use this particular sequence of skills?". With Dota being more mana and cd heavy it rewards careful use of skills with regards to timing, and potientally being out of juice in crucial moments, should you start spamming. Whereas LoL is more spam friendly rewarding frequent use of skills, provided you are able land them. (There are of course exceptions to this in both games, but overall I think this rings true). Dota 2 dosen't necessarily favor good micro to the same extent as LoL, usually with other macro related factors being the main claim to victory. Also with illusions, both from skills and items, and the attackspeed cap being much higher in Dota, achieving micro mastery to the same extent as possible in LoL, is not feasible in Dota. Hell even regular ass creep and jungle farming requires a PhD to do properly in Dota, whereas creep farming in LoL is very straight forward, with only player-to-player interaction in lane, being what requires any real thought. Altough LoL lacks the deny mechanic, I still believe this is true. (There are other ways to deny gold and experience than simply last hitting friendly creep yourself, zoning and good lane control being examples). I think a way to see it is that LoL is a streamlined form of the Dota formula, where player-to-player interaction takes the foreground. Which makes it more accesable, but also a lot harder to secure a win if you're up against an opponent with surperior micro skill. Compared to Dota where good macro descisions can outweigh the shortcomings of potential poor micro. Which game is the lesser boils down to preference in my opinion. Dota is a very complex game with a crazy high skill ceiling, where brain can often triumph over brawn. LoL is a very player-to-player intense game, where you can often brute force your your way out of a bad spot by being the better mechanical player. Also keep in mind that this is regarding mid to high ladder non-pro play, with pro play being a whole different beast for both games.
@@oralevato7848 I don't play either games but your comment makes it very easy for me to understand better not only both games but the comment above as well.
orale vato well this is a surprisingly non toxic explanation. Props 👏🏻. Agreed on the point that league requires more raw mechanical skill to reach the top tier while dota relies heavily on the macro game.
He’s not denying his own physiology. He is just so talented and was so far ahead of everyone else when he was younger that he’s able to coast and continue to be a solid pro.
42 here, picked up the game when I was about 23 when it was 1.4/1.5. And they're right about the experience. I'm still stacking up aces and carrying a 140 ms reaction time on human benchmark.
A coping mechanism for late 20-year-olds to disassociate from the fact that they too can age. 30s are still young dude, anyone who says people in their 30s is old are really dumb. (Also, I'm 22)
32 is young in terms of living normal life, but in eSports its way different, that's age where your reactions are going down slowly and kn cs every second matters. He is kinda old for eSports 😉
He is calling him an "old man" in a counter strike point of view since he is competing at a professional level that requires sharp reactions , precise aim and knowledge.For example if you cloned a forest but at his peak (cs 1.6 era) and let them battle it out on a aim map the cs 1.6 era forest would defeat present forest because of reaction time and aim but if you put them in a normal map say Train for example the present forest would outplay cs 1.6 forest due to experience/knowledge of the game.This scenario also applies to a normal counter strike competitive where veterans outplay the newbies but the newbies can sometimes out-aim the veterans.
f0rest started blowing up right as I got into following the competitive 1.6 scene, he had just joined fnatic a few weeks or months prior. I remember getting familiar with lots of international team and player names but they were the first, and I immediately clicked with fnatic's style as he became my favorite player. Followed his career until the end of competitive 1.6, all the ups and downs, with Na'Vi bursting onto the scene, mTw's short dominance, f0rest and GeT_RiGhT leaving fnatic for SK, etc... The fact that he still plays with so much skill and precision today is insane. Made me want to get back into CS a bit after watching his channel, it was incredible to see him still playing with legends from that era, huge wave of nostalgia.
What’s going to be funny is when this magical “you’re done at 30” fades away because video games are no longer a youth dominated market. I may have never been at pro level but my aim is better at 38 than it was at 21.
I'm 34 and while may aim was pretty good in the 1.5/1.6 days, with age comes experience and my survivability, gamesense and clutching have all improved. So fun to see them go really quiet, when people assume that because you wrecked them you're some 15 year old no-lifer, and you tell them you're just a casual player in their 30s. I don't think we'll see many if any older players become pros, because orgs will want to invest in something they can develop over time, but it doesn't mean a pro's shelf life is that short.
@@maxek46 I don't think you'll see old players like you and I ever attempt pro because our actual careers are more lucrative(assumption based i know). I just think that kicking the current Pros to the curb just because they had a birthday is more about marketing and salary. These decline in "reflexes" is grossly over stated especially for people in their 30's lol
@@hektik2200 I think it depends on the type of game. FPSs are not that taxing on muscles as RTSs for example, were if you aren't capable of insanely high APM, you are at a clear disadvantage. FPSs don't require for you to be pressing keys and clicking 24/7 at high speeds.
12+ years ago, I watched and idolized f0rest. I'm so happy to see that he is one of the only players from that era to still be playing. This guy is a legend. He was killing it in the 1.6 days, and he's still killing it today. He makes me want to get back into playing CS, so bad...
It's almost look like that they're sibling. Even in get_right's farewell speech, he's the only one who paying attention to get_right. And from the look you could tell how f0rest really care about get_righr
Remind me of b4nny in TF2. He's been playing since I was born, crazy to think about. Given he didn't start playing competitively until 2008 (a year after I was born), but that's still insane. He's known as the best player in the world and he has been for years.
I've seen a lot of esports since I first started watching comp TF2, and it may just be rose tinted glasses, but I've never seen a player in any game who was more impressive than b4nny. And it helps that he's gotten less toxic over the years. I think that's potentially one of the biggest benefits of having older players around. They've had the time to mature a bit get over some of the childishness in gaming while still being competitive and having fun.
when it comes to reaction time decline just look at professional cricketers especially batsman, they face bowling of up to or over 150km/h and have to react to the line of the ball, the length of the ball the speed of the ball and the bounce of the ball and make up there mind on the shot to play in like a second and they hit there peak around the age of 30 thats when they play the best. it completely debunks the "your reaction times are way slower at 30" argument
@@ludvigborga266 the reaction time is comparable, especially when it comes to decision making, i was making a quick comparison in reality its a lot less time to react "The average professional fast bowler (137kph or 85mph) = 0.53 seconds. " still science has proven your reaction times at 30 haven't decreased enough to have a real affect and eyesight is something that is more likely to drop off first
14:45 oh man look at the glory in f0rest's face listening to the crowd cheer his name, this is probably one of the reasons he still plays. What a legend.
@Kai Shipman thats just pure bullshit. the brain is fully formed anywere from 27-35, basicly thats your life's prime, where you are at your peak physicly and mentally, including reaction time and such.
@@dazza1240 No it's not. The brain has many parts that develop at diffrent times. Some are done at 14, some at 18. But the main part, the prefrontal cortex takes upto 35 years to fully mature. Thats why people in their early 30's are still concidered youth.
You know how some autists can become very proficient in a very niche field? How they suck at most things in life, but in that very niche field, no normal human can come close to that level of readily available expertise. Like how extreme iq usually tends to go hand in hand with being somewhere on the spectrum. I predict that there will emerge someone in the near future, with some form of autism, who will be beyond any normal human in their chosen game (most likely a solo-based pvp game though, unlike csgo). Like they will never burn out, be super consistent, have some strange deeper understanding, shit like that, because their brain simply works different. I think something like that already happened in chess, correct me if I'm wrong, where the best players are all somewhere on the spectrum, and normal functioning humans just can't compete with them.
@@oralevato7848 It does not happened in chess. Autist people are not just magically better. In competitive games like chess you just will not be good without a lot of training and experience. In order to be good in chess you will have to make a lot of tactic exercises, study engames, analise games and a lot of other stuff. Even as a casual chess player, stereotype of magically amazing at chess autist players is really annoying
@@kaczoo8482 There was a study, I believe, that tried to analyze levels of talent but ended up not finding any actual signs of talent. The musicians' level of performace was basically proportional to how many hours they had practiced. That being said, once you meet an actual prodigy in chess, it's mind boggling. It's hard to not believe in talent when a kid a quarter your age is beating you while playing two games at once while blindfolded.
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you should also clarify that most countries want you to be 17 in order to compete in money pools, WHICH IS ESPORTS.
Itz -xRhino Anyone thats trying to get into esports should automatically know that
How are going to complement this guy and make the title “The Geezer God”
Dude, I love F0rest. He's so funny, kind and humble on his streams. This series is also great.
This old guy can aim better than me
lol shut up
pretending to be a fan
@@nethenx6914 don't project, be nice.
You love F0rest?? don't forget his best friend :] *GeT_RiGhT!!!*
f0rest's kid: Hey dad wanna play this shooting game with me? I bet i could-
f0rest: *_so you have chosen death_*
Perfect reference 👍🏻
i bet he will trick shot and show off his skill by destryoing his kid in 1v1 in any games
No his kid will be the next god
Lmaooo
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f0rest said on stream that he has no intention of retiring and that he enjoys the game so much that wished there was no player break so could go back to playing. This man is the definition of grit.
Definition of passion
f0rest is the legend
He's not 100 yrs old ffs
He just love the game thats all .. at least hes enjoying his work .
@@welcometolife4237 yeah but over 30 in esports is considered old. He's young irl but in his profession he's old if that makes sense. The fact he still has the drive and passion to still compete and improve is what makes it so impressive.
In Afghanistan, they used to say : "Be weary of the old man in a profession where men die young"
Why Afghanistan? They say that literally everywhere.
"Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
You can die in esports?
@@yellowcam1422 Sometimes for extra immersion gabe newell will occasionally shoot a player if they perform poorly enough
I highly doubt Afghanistan coined that term dude
When he was young, he’s beating legends. Now that he’s a legend, he’s beating the youngsters.
ZOIDCORE just stop. What you said makes 0 sense. Almost got a spasm reading that.
@@doobydoes4956 ? i think you're just a lil slow in the head
@@doobydoes4956 you better get back to elementary for not understanding that simple sentence lol
@@doobydoes4956 that is your fault
@@doobydoes4956 LMAOOO THAT BACKFIRED
“He’s keeping up with the kids.”
Cites f0rest singing Justin Bieber song from over 10 years ago
Wait, its been that long? Holy shit
@@Anonymous-td9fl Wait I thought it was yesterday he made that song
now, i don't wanna get whooosh'd, but that was the joke
I still like him lmao
@@lorefox8628 r/eoosh
The NBA: oh, he’s 32? He’s in the tail end of his prime, probably about a few more years left
Cs: WOAH HES 32 HOW IS THIS FOSSIL EVEN ALIVE!?!?!
I really don't understand players fixation with age on comp esports
@@MontySlython I dont even know why they think the reaction time gets slower i never saw a 30year old guy with lower reaction time then a 20 or 16 years old
@@xRaiZx you never saw even one? That would mean that all 30yo you saw had better reaction times than 20yo. Please phrase it right. What you meant was: From my experience the mean reaction time doesnt differ between 20 and 30yo.
@@MontySlython its the mentality. Guys get burned out playing 30 hours a week for 10 years. The burnout leads to just a lack of motivation which will cause them to play worse and start getting sloppier aim most of the time.
@Zhào Liǔ it's not a problem of reflexes, it's a problem of eyesight. You wouldn't react to something you can't see. Nerves don't deteriorate because of you playing videogames.
If you take precautions (use special glasses, rest properly, etc) I don't see an actual reason for a 30yo having a harder time playing videogames than a 20yo. Maybe in RTSs because of the high APM but definitely not on FPSs.
Any new pro: "Oh I haven't done this trick before"
f0rest: "Oh I haven't done this trick in a while"
F0rest and get_right are the REAL power duo
aye sm0lmark
i left cops for csgo and i want u upload some csgo gameplay on your channel too man , i would luv it.
@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi lel he had some stomach surgery and problems , he is a consistent rifler
@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi I completely disagree
F0rest >>>>>>>>>>> Get_Right. Get right is overrated, correct me.
"This dusty ass 32 year old" Why you gotta do us like that, man.
That crowd roar when he clutched against Astralis in the end. Damn i miss the crowd
I was in that crowd, it was absolutely incredible, even if fucking North won that tournament. The problem with Swedish crowds is that we are kinds meh when there is no Swede playing but when there are Swedish teams playing we can get real loud.
@@thetoyyya6890 yeah i was there, SO loud, but SO good
Yeah I was there too, insanely loud
@@thetoyyya6890 should have been one heck of an experience
Well no use to missing it now. It's back!
So I'm 29 and never thought someone 3 years older than me would be called "dusty" 😂.
Facts,
i was expecting someone in their 50's+ before clicking lol
fr, they make 32 sound like 86
Yeah...I am 33 and now I feel like an old fart xD
@@Zabijaka87 33!!!!! My god you are a fossil!!! The Grim Reaper is probably knocking on your door old man!!!!!!
13:47 this play is for the ages, just remember the facts:
-nuke t side
-NiP down 0-4
-he had 0 frags before that round
-vs the godlike Astralis of 2018
-1 vs 4 + Ace clutch
-almost no time left, he gets the first kill with only 42 seconds left to win the round
-absolutely destroyed device with an AWP sitting at a headshot angle before cleaning up the whole team
-4/5 kills where headshots
And he didn't have bomb
Truly an epic gamer.
are we not gonna talk about get_right's reaction tho?
@@pak8310 wait what?? Lul
@@BenedictPenguin he just wanted a fist bump
"Dusty-ass 32 years old" oh man that hurts so much
F0rest is the santa of CS:GO. A legend that the new counter strike players look up too, and he's their to gift us his wonderful gameplays
Santa of CS:GO XD
Actually, f0rest is the boomer to boomers, he knew that the boomer were cursed by the zoomers. So he try to help the other boomers by improving his aim. I told you the true story, now give me a cookie >:((
Now dignitas ain't struggling anymore.
@@7cknggood126 Daigo Umehara is around 40 now and still competing at highest level...
hes 30years old man. thats young xD
Used to watch this guy back in the CS 1.6 days. Good to see hes still owning.
"this old man"
bro he's 32, not 67...
Well old for esports
Basically a fossil in esport terms
@@yoyu8641 lmao
eSports has barely started, and only dominated by kids cos of free time to play and stigma. Imo you'll see more grown players remaining competitive in the coming years as it becomes more socially acceptable.
@@nightra3663 How is 32 too old for esports?
Man, they make this dude sound like he's 50. Early 30ers isn't old
This guy’s movement is impeccable as well
That's also the experience, but the Aim is what deteriorates usually because reflexes get slower
@@GreifvogelSGE haha and my reflexes still slower than pasha.
Greifvogel that’s my theory too. Aiming is almost all reflexes. If you really look at aim, it’s a combination of many strung-together reflexes since you’re reacting to movement as well as what you are placing your crosshair. So it’s natural for aim to deteriorate as you age
@@Dog3D Yeah but did you guys not hear the pretty lady? It's negligible as opposed to the other factors that hinder a person as they age. You're not gonna see a big decline in reaction from 20 all the way probably to even 40 honestly. How could you explain MLB sluggers that stay in the game til their old age and they're going up against fucking 90+ zingers on the daily? Let's be honest here.
@@Fohnzii There are so many people on here in their thirties saying that they are not able to play as snappy as they could in their teens or twenties
as a 32 year old just getting into CS, f0rest is a motivator for me to grind through the ranks and get better and better and stop worrying about my age. absolute legend.
i've been watching on and off for a couple years, but only bought a PC a few years ago and was intimidated by jumping into such an old game that many people know so much better than me.
CS is so Swedish I visited my family in Sweden and literally my cousin, her husband, her brother, and her son all play CS.
it's one off the most popular games over here tbh but your cousin is a fucking legend
LOL
if only it was like that in America :/
@@tongdak. yeah but we do workout a lot aswell
Gotta love the Swedes!
f0rest is a monster that consistently surprises even the best of players, glad to see that he's getting his own offbeat because he deserves it.
Just turned 40 and the guys I met recently (in their early 20's) are bringing me into comp matches with them and it's nice to see stuff like this after I get frustrated trying to keep up with them (Been gaming since Duke3D/Doom/Quake on dialup/lan), it's getting harder and harder to play in high intensity matches at the same level they do. He's only 30 so the age factor hasn't really kicked in full force yet for him but it still gives me hope that I can hold off the 'gamer retirement' a bit longer before getting sidelined to the perma-solo realm of has-beens. Maybe.
A legend among legends. Most consistently great player across all of CS.
yeah. People talk about s1mple being the goat or whatever, but i think we'll see once s1mple hits 30
Imagine F0rest at age 60 and prob enters the silver sniper
Everybody loves Forest, this legend has been top fragging for 20 years now. Unbelievable.
elvisg7 i read fragging as “foraging” lol
@@beansy8258 I mean he do be doing that tho his picking those headshots like ez pz
Probably the best cs player of all time. Really hope when he retires that he is gonna go be a coach to a team, or he is gonna teach kids how to play the game, how to stay consistent and just everything in the game, and out of the game! He can defiantly use his experience in so many good ways, i just hope that he picks something that helps kids.
I like how f0rest is always referred to as an "old man" and such but he still only is 32 years old. Hasn't even reached halftime ^^ May he frag out forever
Yeah 32 isn't old in other major sports. I think it's a matter of being able to dedicate your life to it.
@@spadeykins9114 well it depends what sport. For example, in hockey 32 would be considered a veteran, borderline old
The FGC has players winning major events past 30, so it's not out of the realm of possibility in any esport
Christopher Mitchell golf isn't a sport
@@ChessCat1500
And neither is a video game.
"I've been doing this longer than you've been alive"
as a fellow gamer father "well definitely, i'm scared of everything" is the best answer to "has anything changed by becoming a father?"
didn't resonate with, i have no idea what 2 of you are talking about
@@efreitorhabibulin238 hes worried something will happen to him or his son now, old age comes with its consequences
Less time to play lol
F0rest deserves the respect he gets. No question about it. Man is a literal legend.
People acting like 32 is 80 or something.
It is in esports
As 29y old, i can tell first hand im not snappy as i would say 3y ago... More and more weight is put on experience from relefexes....
Its shitty feeling but yeah...
im 28. the older i got the better my aim got, period. its weird as fuck, but it is what it is. idk why
nsperience
Slow down in your reflexes should not be noticeable in such a short time span( unless your playing at the highest level). We’re talking 50-80 ms at worst.
My aim and reflexes have gotten consistently better over the years.
@@niksperience that's your mind messing with you not your body my dude you gotta evolve and adapt you gotta engage your brain again
Kinda feel sad watching this hahah im 32 myself but actually on top of my game in Apex (Ranked #4 in the Netherlands) hope my skills wont dwindle fast ill keep my practice up haha :P hail to the oldies here
Knee, argued to be the best Tekken player ever is still playing at the very highest level is i believe 35 years old.
Depends on genes and environment but most folks reaction times don't start to truly fall off until their mid to late 40's. If you look at F1 racing there have been drivers that won into their mid 40's and that's pretty much the pinnacle of human reaction time measurement since failure means death and not pushing to the razor edge means a loss. I bet f0rest plays well into his late 30's and possibly until he's 40, anything past that is just icing on the cake tbh. That'd be a 30 year career at the highest level of a professional sport.
Also Daigo who is going 40 is still pretty high leveled only thing holding him back is SFV. Oh and the guy is the champion of FT10
yeah, but again... its Tekken
@Jeremy NL I think thats the big thing. The older people get the more responsibilities start to pile up. Theres families etc and you just start to move your attention elsewhere. Then the motivation to play starts to go down.
So is K1llsen in Quake, at 33. And Cypher,Cooller,Rapha, who are all 30-33.
I feel really old when you said "the most famous beard", because the f0rest I know never had a beard. I stopped playing CS in 2012 when 1.6 died, but it was one of the best games I've ever played.
Imagine having a dad that is a professional gamer.
Must be suck to never have a chance to beat your dad in a game.
My dad is professional at hide and seek
And excluding FIFA
@@Miguel-dy9lw i know i shouldnt be laughing but i cant help it
I used to be pretty decent at CS1.6 playing in ladders and going to LANs. I'm now 33. The issue isn't decline in reflexes as long as I have enough time to warm up I am still every bit as good as I was before. But as you get older other things take over - work, family and the rest - so you cannot commit to an 80 hour a week gaming schedule any more so you lose track of the meta and your game mechanics suffer a bit. That is what makes it harder to keep up with the youngsters.
A guy who doesn't love f0rest is a guy who doesn't love counter-strike.
True. f0rest GeT_RiGhT NEO and of course spawN will always be Counter-Strike legends
@@mdra_ spot on list I hate when ppl forget about NEO too
I used to watch f0rest videos back when i played cs 1.6 like 15 years ago. He motivated me and always made me feel hyped! Since then he's been my favorite player.
the thumbnail got me there
This reminded me from the time i played with a guy that was 63 years old, i was 13 at the time so we were 50 years apart. He was a really chill guy and really nice very humble and Even had a kid that was 40 and had a wife. I think he had played cs for 20 years at the time i cant remember his steam name though and i didnt add him which im kinda sad about. Hey man If you see this, have a good life
I'm 37 years old right now and I'm chasing the dream in Valorant now. 28 years have passed since I've played the first FPS game in the history (Wolfstein 3D) and I can assure you, age is just a number, the numbers that matter are the KDA.
Good luck with Valorant! I recently turned 36, but i still feel like I can still click on some heads like I did in CS1.5/1.6 when i was 18/18 years old.
I'm 30, but now I had arthritis in my left arm and my right shoulder.
Respect and goodluck to you brother!
Yeah, the age discussion should be put down. I am 34 years, and I have a lot of 20ish friends that I game with. We also play Valorant. They have even played if longer than me. I almost always outfrag them and outclutch them. So I do agree with that the woman in this video says. The reaction time isn't that decaying in the age we are in. Maybe when you get a lot older, but then again experience comes to play and that can often be more valuable than clicking the mouse faster...
Holy shit I feel like a toddler in this thread Ik 30 isn’t old and 40 is still pretty young but like I’m 15-16 So it’s just mad weird lul w
f0rest said himself that growing older isn’t too much of an issue mechanical wise, it’s more about the motivation one has to have grinding the game at that age. Older pros normally want more time to settle down and start the next chapter in their lives, but I’m sure that if someone who is 30+ wanted to still be at the top, they could do so. F0rest is a very prime example of that.
"Not only can he keep up with what the kids are into nowadays..." *Sings song from over a decade ago*
I'm getting close to 30 years old and I only see my awareness, reaction time, depth perception, and hand-eye coordination getting better every day. I don't believe for a second that a person can be too old to compete in which they need to retire. Priorities, injuries, and maybe eyesight I can understand. It's all mind over matter. Do not doubt yourself or lose confidence in oneself and you'll only see improvement. I'm talking video games btw cause obviously it's a different story in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc
He's just mastered the game. He doesn't do aim practice. Only plays and surfs.
He's just too good. He can carry this form for years.
9:26 thought everybody would be simping to that hot scientist
i am
we are
Fun fact: HeatoN calls f0rest "Gaming Genious" due to his ability to get good at any game he touches. Apparently f0rest has been quite high rank in DotA2 and ended up in an argument with a player from LoL about LoL being the lesser game in terms of skill. And just by proving a point, he ranked to Challenger in LoL. A game he didn't even really play.
I think LoL heavily favors micro and individual perfomance, and with exceptional micro you can easily reach the upper echelons of non-pro play, even if your macro game equals that of a potato.
LoL also favors skillshots and smaller aoe and duration cc, whereas Dota favors targeted casting and them big juicy cc chains. With the question in LoL often being "am I able to land this particular sequence of skills?", where in Dota the question is often "when is the the optimal time to use this particular sequence of skills?".
With Dota being more mana and cd heavy it rewards careful use of skills with regards to timing, and potientally being out of juice in crucial moments, should you start spamming. Whereas LoL is more spam friendly rewarding frequent use of skills, provided you are able land them. (There are of course exceptions to this in both games, but overall I think this rings true).
Dota 2 dosen't necessarily favor good micro to the same extent as LoL, usually with other macro related factors being the main claim to victory. Also with illusions, both from skills and items, and the attackspeed cap being much higher in Dota, achieving micro mastery to the same extent as possible in LoL, is not feasible in Dota.
Hell even regular ass creep and jungle farming requires a PhD to do properly in Dota, whereas creep farming in LoL is very straight forward, with only player-to-player interaction in lane, being what requires any real thought. Altough LoL lacks the deny mechanic, I still believe this is true. (There are other ways to deny gold and experience than simply last hitting friendly creep yourself, zoning and good lane control being examples).
I think a way to see it is that LoL is a streamlined form of the Dota formula, where player-to-player interaction takes the foreground. Which makes it more accesable, but also a lot harder to secure a win if you're up against an opponent with surperior micro skill. Compared to Dota where good macro descisions can outweigh the shortcomings of potential poor micro.
Which game is the lesser boils down to preference in my opinion. Dota is a very complex game with a crazy high skill ceiling, where brain can often triumph over brawn. LoL is a very player-to-player intense game, where you can often brute force your your way out of a bad spot by being the better mechanical player.
Also keep in mind that this is regarding mid to high ladder non-pro play, with pro play being a whole different beast for both games.
@@oralevato7848 I don't play either games but your comment makes it very easy for me to understand better not only both games but the comment above as well.
@@oralevato7848 props to you if u actually typed it out yourself
orale vato well this is a surprisingly non toxic explanation. Props 👏🏻. Agreed on the point that league requires more raw mechanical skill to reach the top tier while dota relies heavily on the macro game.
overall I'd give the edge to DotA being the harder game as a whole but the micro skill in league is at a very high level
He’s not denying his own physiology. He is just so talented and was so far ahead of everyone else when he was younger that he’s able to coast and continue to be a solid pro.
they should make a "the story of" for different esport orgs that would be sick
42 here, picked up the game when I was about 23 when it was 1.4/1.5. And they're right about the experience. I'm still stacking up aces and carrying a 140 ms reaction time on human benchmark.
bro he is legit only 32 years old, why is he calling him an old man?
A coping mechanism for late 20-year-olds to disassociate from the fact that they too can age. 30s are still young dude, anyone who says people in their 30s is old are really dumb.
(Also, I'm 22)
32 is young in terms of living normal life, but in eSports its way different, that's age where your reactions are going down slowly and kn cs every second matters. He is kinda old for eSports 😉
He is calling him an "old man" in a counter strike point of view since he is competing at a professional level that requires sharp reactions , precise aim and knowledge.For example if you cloned a forest but at his peak (cs 1.6 era) and let them battle it out on a aim map the cs 1.6 era forest would defeat present forest because of reaction time and aim but if you put them in a normal map say Train for example the present forest would outplay cs 1.6 forest due to experience/knowledge of the game.This scenario also applies to a normal counter strike competitive where veterans outplay the newbies but the newbies can sometimes out-aim the veterans.
@@seriousone44 did you watch the vid? Chick says the difference in reaction time from 20 to 30 is negligible
he was overreacting as a joke I think
f0rest started blowing up right as I got into following the competitive 1.6 scene, he had just joined fnatic a few weeks or months prior. I remember getting familiar with lots of international team and player names but they were the first, and I immediately clicked with fnatic's style as he became my favorite player. Followed his career until the end of competitive 1.6, all the ups and downs, with Na'Vi bursting onto the scene, mTw's short dominance, f0rest and GeT_RiGhT leaving fnatic for SK, etc... The fact that he still plays with so much skill and precision today is insane. Made me want to get back into CS a bit after watching his channel, it was incredible to see him still playing with legends from that era, huge wave of nostalgia.
He is living as his nickname. It's FOREST bro!!
This thing will take a very long live!! Salute
"Dusty a$$ 32 year old"
If that young of an age is worrying for your skill in videogames then I am scared to age.
14:29 Legends say that Get_Right is still waiting for fist bump
7:22 I remember watching this live and my jaw just dropped. Took my a solid 30 seconds to pick it up.
What’s going to be funny is when this magical “you’re done at 30” fades away because video games are no longer a youth dominated market. I may have never been at pro level but my aim is better at 38 than it was at 21.
Well, that experience is more important than the loss of reflexes
I'm 34 and while may aim was pretty good in the 1.5/1.6 days, with age comes experience and my survivability, gamesense and clutching have all improved. So fun to see them go really quiet, when people assume that because you wrecked them you're some 15 year old no-lifer, and you tell them you're just a casual player in their 30s. I don't think we'll see many if any older players become pros, because orgs will want to invest in something they can develop over time, but it doesn't mean a pro's shelf life is that short.
@@maxek46 I don't think you'll see old players like you and I ever attempt pro because our actual careers are more lucrative(assumption based i know). I just think that kicking the current Pros to the curb just because they had a birthday is more about marketing and salary. These decline in "reflexes" is grossly over stated especially for people in their 30's lol
@@hektik2200 I think it depends on the type of game. FPSs are not that taxing on muscles as RTSs for example, were if you aren't capable of insanely high APM, you are at a clear disadvantage. FPSs don't require for you to be pressing keys and clicking 24/7 at high speeds.
Thats why i disliked. And there are people way older in the compeditive scene.
12+ years ago, I watched and idolized f0rest. I'm so happy to see that he is one of the only players from that era to still be playing. This guy is a legend. He was killing it in the 1.6 days, and he's still killing it today.
He makes me want to get back into playing CS, so bad...
8:01 Get_rights face, best friends forever xD
It's almost look like that they're sibling. Even in get_right's farewell speech, he's the only one who paying attention to get_right. And from the look you could tell how f0rest really care about get_righr
This guy is CS personified, he is not human anymore ... he is a legend, a symbol of our community
Remind me of b4nny in TF2. He's been playing since I was born, crazy to think about. Given he didn't start playing competitively until 2008 (a year after I was born), but that's still insane. He's known as the best player in the world and he has been for years.
I still watch B4nny
Ahh i see, tf2 players
I've seen a lot of esports since I first started watching comp TF2, and it may just be rose tinted glasses, but I've never seen a player in any game who was more impressive than b4nny. And it helps that he's gotten less toxic over the years. I think that's potentially one of the biggest benefits of having older players around. They've had the time to mature a bit get over some of the childishness in gaming while still being competitive and having fun.
Is B4nny still playing Scout, or has he finally made a grand slam tour and won a season as medic?
Yeah b4nny is really good in tf2
32 is old?
Tokido: laughs in 35
Daigo: laughs in 39
Sako: laughs in 41
Qudans: laughs in 34
street fighter... do u even understand what is still aiming the same way but with 32 years old? No u dont get it
@@freedomphantom9071 and you clearly don't understand how hard fighting games are
Daigo is 39. Holy shit
By far the greatest CS player of all time.
f0rest is very humble on stream and in real life and is just a chill person
Wow, it's almost like the "32 years is too old for esports" is just a complete myth.
That's weird to see Saskatchewan mentioned in something on the internet.
Did him dirty in the thumbnail
This man is gonna be 67 and still somehow win a major with 3 ace rounds in the final, I'm calling it now
2:55 “probably the greatest beard in esports history” y’all must not know z1ronic from the Siege community.
" Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
This man caught lightning in a bottle and then said to it “if you live on my face we can be famous....”
The rest is history
When he's old, he's gonna become The End from MGS3
Early 2000: f0rest is the best aimer
2015-2018: ScreaM is the best aimer
2018- Present: Twistzz the overpowered anime protagonist
f0rest deserves another video: "The Story of f0rest" The goat of CS
when it comes to reaction time decline just look at professional cricketers especially batsman, they face bowling of up to or over 150km/h and have to react to the line of the ball, the length of the ball the speed of the ball and the bounce of the ball and make up there mind on the shot to play in like a second and they hit there peak around the age of 30 thats when they play the best.
it completely debunks the "your reaction times are way slower at 30" argument
For them is also muscle memory
That's a whole another mechanical set of skills, in no way comparable. 1 second is a long ass time in esports.
Baseball is a way better comparison. No bouncing at all.
@@ludvigborga266 the reaction time is comparable, especially when it comes to decision making, i was making a quick comparison in reality its a lot less time to react "The average professional fast bowler (137kph or 85mph) = 0.53 seconds. "
still science has proven your reaction times at 30 haven't decreased enough to have a real affect and eyesight is something that is more likely to drop off first
14:45 oh man look at the glory in f0rest's face listening to the crowd cheer his name, this is probably one of the reasons he still plays.
What a legend.
He’s 30-something and I’m sitting here at 43 like, “Bring on those kids!”
One lifetime is never enough for a gamer.
"Biological clock" - 32 years old is closer to male physical prime than a 20 year old. Also his brain would be fully developed
@Kai Shipman thats just pure bullshit. the brain is fully formed anywere from 27-35, basicly thats your life's prime, where you are at your peak physicly and mentally, including reaction time and such.
@@dazza1240 No it's not. The brain has many parts that develop at diffrent times. Some are done at 14, some at 18. But the main part, the prefrontal cortex takes upto 35 years to fully mature. Thats why people in their early 30's are still concidered youth.
Hearing Swedish crowd cheering for f0rest is one of the most satisfying thing in esport. Dreamhack winter 2014 neva forget
Counter Strike: 32 is old
Tokido : Allow me to introduce myself.
These videos keep getting better and better! Good fukin work guys!!!
8:07 "In the world of modern counter strike, forest is practically a unicorn"
Idk why this makes me laugh
14:32 is it just me or was this a really heart touching moment
“Dusty ass” lmaoooo that was uncalled for 😂
32 year old in society: Middle-aged man
32 year old in eSports: So old he's basically considered dead
32 isn't middle aged lol, it's young
Fun fact: 28 people can't all be first
Another fun fact: this comment ain't original
One more fact pretty pls
kinya a group of crows is a murder
@@kinyt alright fine
Fun fact: you're more likely to die from a dog bite than a shark attack
@@killerbug2201 pls dont bite me
People become overwhelmed by stress and become unfocused as they age. Being "too old" means NOTHING.
I didn't know who this guy was so I really thought he was 60 something and looked like the thumbnail lmaoo
the most amazing thing is that he is on that classic frag video, the one with the iron maiden song; i loved that video so much as a kid
f0rest + get_right in a team = i can watch all day
happy retirement legend o7
Next: The Story Of TENSE1983 - Autism But Still A Global Elite
I didn't know Tense was autistic. He is toxic I know but I didn't know that.
You know how some autists can become very proficient in a very niche field? How they suck at most things in life, but in that very niche field, no normal human can come close to that level of readily available expertise.
Like how extreme iq usually tends to go hand in hand with being somewhere on the spectrum.
I predict that there will emerge someone in the near future, with some form of autism, who will be beyond any normal human in their chosen game (most likely a solo-based pvp game though, unlike csgo). Like they will never burn out, be super consistent, have some strange deeper understanding, shit like that, because their brain simply works different.
I think something like that already happened in chess, correct me if I'm wrong, where the best players are all somewhere on the spectrum, and normal functioning humans just can't compete with them.
orale vato actually amazingly well said
@@oralevato7848 It does not happened in chess. Autist people are not just magically better. In competitive games like chess you just will not be good without a lot of training and experience. In order to be good in chess you will have to make a lot of tactic exercises, study engames, analise games and a lot of other stuff. Even as a casual chess player, stereotype of magically amazing at chess autist players is really annoying
@@kaczoo8482 There was a study, I believe, that tried to analyze levels of talent but ended up not finding any actual signs of talent. The musicians' level of performace was basically proportional to how many hours they had practiced.
That being said, once you meet an actual prodigy in chess, it's mind boggling. It's hard to not believe in talent when a kid a quarter your age is beating you while playing two games at once while blindfolded.
Damn you guys really did my boy f0rest like that @1:54
1:15 "I have 2 kids and a waifu"
Man..... he did it
Lmao the accent
It must feel so good to clutch a 1v4 ace and have the whole crowd cheer your name.
"He's thirty and still aims like most people." Well, I'd like to have aim like he does xD
Been playing CS for a month or so now and been binge watching all these story of ... and other videos of CS players. It’s really, really fascinating.