What welding instructions come with the kit? I ask because most OEM frame rails are made from high-tensile steel which requires preheating and controlled temperatures to prevent heat shock when welding. Are the new aluma-duty Ford frames now made from plain ol' mild steel?
@@noone42069 Yes, I know they are steel frames, but what grade of steel? I had a 2017 F250 and now have a 2022 F250. It makes a big difference if you plan to do any welding on them. Do it wrong and the steel will crack and possibly fail.
Been ordering pretty much everything y’all offer through dirty diesel customs defenetly after a set of these soon as the intake shows up wait time is the only downside since it’s going through 2 different companies but much cheaper in the end since I’m cad
We do offer universal weld on kits. Please check them out in the link below and give our team a call at 630-277-8239 with any questions. www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=universal+traction
WCFab Thanks I checked the link. Unfortunately both kits are much longer than I need. I have K5 Blazer those would put the ends through the front end LOL. I would really hate to have to waste a lot of that kit by cutting those bars in half.
@@deegan727 Ah, that's completely fair, our bars would be a tad too long for that application. Haha! We unfortunately do not offer a shorter bar length than 60" at this time but if you contact one of our authorized dealers they should be able to help you purchase one of our installation kits separately and any miscellaneous parts like bushings or the Johnny Joints.
We don't have a kit specifically for that truck, but please give us a call at the shop (630-277-8239) or email us at sales@wcfab.com to speak with our team about whether one of our universal weld on kits would be suitable for your application.
No because the suspension is not creating power or torque to the axle, therefore the axle stays level as it should. The suspension compresses downward and has no effect on the axle
The shackle on the rear of the leaf spring will swing to allow what you're thinking. Look at the front connection of the leaf spring. If the rear was the same, the suspension would not compress and you would have a bumpy ride.
@@WCFab hey I'm looking at my axle brackets and my u bolts face down . It seems the p goes on driver side looking at the angles and d on passenger 🤔 does that sound right to u..
We offer 1/2 ton traction bar kits that are currently confirmed to fit 2014-2018 Chevy and GMC 1500 trucks. Here’s a link to where you can check them out on our website: www.wcfab.com/c-1460738-half-ton-truck-2014-2018-chevrolet-silverado-gmc-sierra-1500-chassis-and-suspension-traction-bars.html
Thanks for the question! We don't have any bars currently that are 2014 Tundra specific, but check out our universal weld on kits in the link below to see if they might work for your needs. To verify compatibility measure from the bottom of your axle tube forward the length of the bar that you're looking at and check to see that you have a flat, section of frame suitable for welding the brackets (and that nothing will land in the path that the bar needs to take). If you have additional questions or would like our team to give you a second opinion, please shoot us an email to sales@wcfab.com with some pictures of the frame and rear axle on your truck and we can go from there. Link: www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=universal+weld+on
Yes! We offer traction bar kits compatible with the 2017 3500 HD trucks. Check out the link below for details and give us a call at 630-277-8239 with any additional questions: www.wcfab.com/i-30107016-2011-2019-duramax-60-traction-bar-kit-rclb-ccsb-ecsb.html?ref=category:1460521
Please have a look at our universal weld on kits in the link below and call us at the shop (630-277-8239) with questions. www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=Universal+traction
We’ve confirmed that our current Duramax models will not unfortunately, but we do have 1500 models in development presently with a planned release in 2022. Make sure to keep an eye out here and subscribe to our newsletter for new product updates.
Hey Jason I was wondering I don't have a pickup but I do have a Nissan Xterra 4x4 completely stock all the way is there a kit for my truck in the rear and what I need a kit for the front too
We are unfortunately not Nissan specialists so our knowledge of the Xterra platform is limited, but strongly suspect that our standard universal traction bar lengths will not work for that application and wheelbase.
We specialize in diesel but our traction bars are compatible with the gas HD models as well. If you have additional questions, please give us a call at the shop (630-277-8239) or email us at sales@wcfab.com and we would be happy to help.
Would you consider manufacturing air ride kits? I think with the quality workmanship and expertise you have you could make an excellent aftermarket system.
That will honestly depend a bit on how you define towing heavy and off road use. Expect a set of bars to firm up suspension feel when towing. We run them on our shop trucks that pull loaded gooseneck trailers and competition sleds regularly with no issues. We would not recommend them for applications chasing RTI scores, but they will be just fine for running through fields or unpaved roads. Please give us a call at 630-277-8239 to discuss your truck, suspension modifications, and how you use it with one of our specialists and we would be happy to help answer your questions and make a recommendation that will work best for your needs.
Could you answer me this question. I have a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7 With the 4link suspension on the back . And a local shop told me I couldn’t install traction bars on mind. Because of the 4link Is that true??? But they did mention I could Upgrade the 4link
Thanks for your patience with our delayed reply. We missed your comment and it got buried in our inbox. Traction bars are not necessary for 4 linked suspensions such as what your 2018 Ram 2500 is equipped because the design of the suspension already negates the axle wrap issue commonly encountered in leaf spring designs due to the way the control arms connect to the axle. Hope that explanation helps. Please give us a ring at 630-277-8239 with any further questions.
Hold tight and subscribe to the email newsletter on WCFab.com. We’ve got some half ton bar kits in the work presently and should be releasing more details about them in the next couple months.
It honestly depends on how much lift you're talking about. Going from stock height to a level or mid lift you should have sufficient adjustment where the bar meets the Johnny Joint at the front to compensate. Anything beyond that and you'll be looking at changing bar length and possibly be relocating the front frame brackets. Please give us a call at 630-277-8239 to speak with one of our specialists about your truck and we would be happy to help make sure you get the right parts for your build.
Since you're looking to color match and only powder coat our bars (no paint), we would recommend plugging your paint code into Prismatic Powders website to see what they recommend as a match and ordering a sample to see if you like it since they are often very close but not exact. Once you decide on a powder color that you're happy with, give us a call at 630-277-8239 and our team would be happy to help get your order placed.
Hi Julio, you can find more details on our traction bars here: www.wcfab.com/c-1460273-shop-products-powerstroke-2003-2007-6-0l-powerstroke-chassis-suspension.html Please call us at 630-277-8239 with any additional questions.
Blueberry Frost (-BBF) You can also check out WCFab's website for other color options: www.wcfab.com/p-37270-powder-coating-check-out-our-video-below.html
We offer weld on front and rear kits in 60" and 68" lengths for those trucks. If you have additional questions about your application, please give us a call at 630-277-8239. www.wcfab.com/c-1411449-shop-products-cummins-4th-gen-6-7l-2010-18-chassis-suspension.html
No. Just about any leaf spring rear can benefit in many ways with traction bars. If your doing burnouts and have wheel hop it will help, towing, hard acceleration, or even just cruising believe it or not. All of the above will make the rear diff pitch upward changing the driveline angle and that will cause vibration, wear, breakage all depending on how much axle wrap we’re talking about. There are videos where people show their axle wrap, some are very gnarly and make you want traction bars. In my case my axle wrap is noticeable at 50mph and higher when I’m giving enough throttle to maintain speed. The springs are soft enough to let the axle pitch upward just enough to cause a light vibration. If I do a hard launch there is no vibes because the drive shaft isn’t up to speed like it would be at 50+ but the wrap would be extreme enough to cause excessive wear and or breakage eventually. The difference in having vibes or not can be tenths of a degree in angle change. If your going to be doing some serious off-roading or care about your ground clearance get a single triangulated bar. If it’s mainly a street truck you can get away with the 2 bar setup like this vid. Sorry for the long explanation.
Thanks Jason 😊
That blue is really attractive.
Thanks! That's our Blueberry Frost (-BBF) powder coat color option.
What welding instructions come with the kit? I ask because most OEM frame rails are made from high-tensile steel which requires preheating and controlled temperatures to prevent heat shock when welding. Are the new aluma-duty Ford frames now made from plain ol' mild steel?
They should be, my F150 is a steel frame.
@@noone42069 Yes, I know they are steel frames, but what grade of steel? I had a 2017 F250 and now have a 2022 F250. It makes a big difference if you plan to do any welding on them. Do it wrong and the steel will crack and possibly fail.
@@kennnva551I know it's an old comment but call an up fitter that does OEM conversions and they'll be able to help you
Been ordering pretty much everything y’all offer through dirty diesel customs defenetly after a set of these soon as the intake shows up wait time is the only downside since it’s going through 2 different companies but much cheaper in the end since I’m cad
Appreciate the support! 🙌
Do you guys have some sort of a universal, fabricator, DIY series? Such as weld on brackets, Heims, bushing sleeves etc.?
We do offer universal weld on kits. Please check them out in the link below and give our team a call at 630-277-8239 with any questions.
www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=universal+traction
WCFab Thanks I checked the link. Unfortunately both kits are much longer than I need. I have K5 Blazer those would put the ends through the front end LOL. I would really hate to have to waste a lot of that kit by cutting those bars in half.
@@deegan727 Ah, that's completely fair, our bars would be a tad too long for that application. Haha! We unfortunately do not offer a shorter bar length than 60" at this time but if you contact one of our authorized dealers they should be able to help you purchase one of our installation kits separately and any miscellaneous parts like bushings or the Johnny Joints.
1999 K2500 GMC - Need Traction Bars...help!?! Your website doesn't show these.
We don't have a kit specifically for that truck, but please give us a call at the shop (630-277-8239) or email us at sales@wcfab.com to speak with our team about whether one of our universal weld on kits would be suitable for your application.
I understand axle wrap, but when the suspension compresses, doesn't the traction bar force the axle rearward??
No because the suspension is not creating power or torque to the axle, therefore the axle stays level as it should. The suspension compresses downward and has no effect on the axle
The shackle on the rear of the leaf spring will swing to allow what you're thinking. Look at the front connection of the leaf spring. If the rear was the same, the suspension would not compress and you would have a bumpy ride.
So i have a 6 inch lift crew cab duramax short box would i want the 68 inchers or the 60
We would recommend going with the 68 inch bar length for that setup.
@@WCFab hey I'm looking at my axle brackets and my u bolts face down . It seems the p goes on driver side looking at the angles and d on passenger 🤔 does that sound right to u..
I know it's backwards but the bars need too angle out towards the Frame
@@hammertreemasterchief6447 the bars need to angle inwards towards the frame. The frame is narrower than then the spring perches of your axle.
@@WCFab ya I probably should have assesd that before asking silly questions..I thought the frame was angled out sorry to bug ya on a Saturday 👍🤣
Very nice what color blue it’s that on the set of traction bars
Blueberry Frost (-BBF) is the color of the bars that are laying on the table for this video.
@@WCFab thank you
Could you make a set for a 2020 TRD OffRoad double cab king bed 3rd gen supercharged Tacoma?
Do you manufacture anything for 1/2 ton Chevys
We offer 1/2 ton traction bar kits that are currently confirmed to fit 2014-2018 Chevy and GMC 1500 trucks. Here’s a link to where you can check them out on our website:
www.wcfab.com/c-1460738-half-ton-truck-2014-2018-chevrolet-silverado-gmc-sierra-1500-chassis-and-suspension-traction-bars.html
Thank you for the link very appreciated
You got them for 2014 tundras?
Thanks for the question! We don't have any bars currently that are 2014 Tundra specific, but check out our universal weld on kits in the link below to see if they might work for your needs. To verify compatibility measure from the bottom of your axle tube forward the length of the bar that you're looking at and check to see that you have a flat, section of frame suitable for welding the brackets (and that nothing will land in the path that the bar needs to take). If you have additional questions or would like our team to give you a second opinion, please shoot us an email to sales@wcfab.com with some pictures of the frame and rear axle on your truck and we can go from there. Link: www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=universal+weld+on
Can I get them for my 2021 Toyota tacona sr5 4x4 ?
Will this kit fit a 2017 Duramax 3500?
Yes! We offer traction bar kits compatible with the 2017 3500 HD trucks. Check out the link below for details and give us a call at 630-277-8239 with any additional questions: www.wcfab.com/i-30107016-2011-2019-duramax-60-traction-bar-kit-rclb-ccsb-ecsb.html?ref=category:1460521
Do you do bars for a Ford Excursion??? 6 inch Bds lift.
Please have a look at our universal weld on kits in the link below and call us at the shop (630-277-8239) with questions.
www.wcfab.com/search.html?q=Universal+traction
Will they work for a lifted ‘17 Silverado 1500 4x4?
We’ve confirmed that our current Duramax models will not unfortunately, but we do have 1500 models in development presently with a planned release in 2022. Make sure to keep an eye out here and subscribe to our newsletter for new product updates.
@@WCFab awesome! Will do!
Hey Jason I was wondering I don't have a pickup but I do have a Nissan Xterra 4x4 completely stock all the way is there a kit for my truck in the rear and what I need a kit for the front too
We are unfortunately not Nissan specialists so our knowledge of the Xterra platform is limited, but strongly suspect that our standard universal traction bar lengths will not work for that application and wheelbase.
Do y'all make em for a 2005 GMC Sierra 1500
Not at this time.
Are your products just for diesel trucks?
We specialize in diesel but our traction bars are compatible with the gas HD models as well. If you have additional questions, please give us a call at the shop (630-277-8239) or email us at sales@wcfab.com and we would be happy to help.
@@WCFab thanks appreciate your feed back and will be in contact.
Would you consider manufacturing air ride kits? I think with the quality workmanship and expertise you have you could make an excellent aftermarket system.
How much bind or limited suspension movement can I expect while towing heavy or off road
That will honestly depend a bit on how you define towing heavy and off road use. Expect a set of bars to firm up suspension feel when towing. We run them on our shop trucks that pull loaded gooseneck trailers and competition sleds regularly with no issues. We would not recommend them for applications chasing RTI scores, but they will be just fine for running through fields or unpaved roads.
Please give us a call at 630-277-8239 to discuss your truck, suspension modifications, and how you use it with one of our specialists and we would be happy to help answer your questions and make a recommendation that will work best for your needs.
Could you answer me this question. I have a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7 With the 4link suspension on the back . And a local shop told me I couldn’t install traction bars on mind. Because of the 4link Is that true??? But they did mention I could Upgrade the 4link
Thanks for your patience with our delayed reply. We missed your comment and it got buried in our inbox. Traction bars are not necessary for 4 linked suspensions such as what your 2018 Ram 2500 is equipped because the design of the suspension already negates the axle wrap issue commonly encountered in leaf spring designs due to the way the control arms connect to the axle. Hope that explanation helps. Please give us a ring at 630-277-8239 with any further questions.
Do they make them for the front ????
Our traction bars are designed for use on the rear axle of a leaf spring suspension setup only.
Would these work on a 2016 Silverado 1500
Hold tight and subscribe to the email newsletter on WCFab.com. We’ve got some half ton bar kits in the work presently and should be releasing more details about them in the next couple months.
If I put these on then lift my truck then what happens?
It honestly depends on how much lift you're talking about. Going from stock height to a level or mid lift you should have sufficient adjustment where the bar meets the Johnny Joint at the front to compensate. Anything beyond that and you'll be looking at changing bar length and possibly be relocating the front frame brackets. Please give us a call at 630-277-8239 to speak with one of our specialists about your truck and we would be happy to help make sure you get the right parts for your build.
Can I give you guys my paint code and have the traction bars paint matched?
Since you're looking to color match and only powder coat our bars (no paint), we would recommend plugging your paint code into Prismatic Powders website to see what they recommend as a match and ordering a sample to see if you like it since they are often very close but not exact. Once you decide on a powder color that you're happy with, give us a call at 630-277-8239 and our team would be happy to help get your order placed.
WCFab thanks for the reply!
With a Duramax with 6” lift. What length should I get?
NorCalFarmboy what cab and bed combination do you have?
WCFab crew cab short bed with 6” lift.
@@NorCalFarmboy we would recommend 68" for that application.
WCFab welp guess my measurements were right then. I was figuring I was gonna get the longer ones.
How much are these trac bats I have a 2001 f350 diesel truck, interesting in getting some for my truck thanks for the great video
Hi Julio, you can find more details on our traction bars here:
www.wcfab.com/c-1460273-shop-products-powerstroke-2003-2007-6-0l-powerstroke-chassis-suspension.html
Please call us at 630-277-8239 with any additional questions.
What color is that?
Blueberry frost is the color of the bars that are laying on the table.
Blueberry frost - popular color i dig it
Those would look so good on my truck! That blue though! :)
What color blue are those traction bars?
Blueberry Frost (-BBF) You can also check out WCFab's website for other color options: www.wcfab.com/p-37270-powder-coating-check-out-our-video-below.html
Would u have this for a 2011 ram 2500
We offer weld on front and rear kits in 60" and 68" lengths for those trucks. If you have additional questions about your application, please give us a call at 630-277-8239. www.wcfab.com/c-1411449-shop-products-cummins-4th-gen-6-7l-2010-18-chassis-suspension.html
Hell yeah Wagner Powder gun! Come up to Mn to the Wagner Headquarters someday we have a huge powder lab
Does it need to be a diesel truck for trac bars? I have a leveled 1500 was looking for trac bars
No. Just about any leaf spring rear can benefit in many ways with traction bars. If your doing burnouts and have wheel hop it will help, towing, hard acceleration, or even just cruising believe it or not. All of the above will make the rear diff pitch upward changing the driveline angle and that will cause vibration, wear, breakage all depending on how much axle wrap we’re talking about. There are videos where people show their axle wrap, some are very gnarly and make you want traction bars. In my case my axle wrap is noticeable at 50mph and higher when I’m giving enough throttle to maintain speed. The springs are soft enough to let the axle pitch upward just enough to cause a light vibration. If I do a hard launch there is no vibes because the drive shaft isn’t up to speed like it would be at 50+ but the wrap would be extreme enough to cause excessive wear and or breakage eventually. The difference in having vibes or not can be tenths of a degree in angle change. If your going to be doing some serious off-roading or care about your ground clearance get a single triangulated bar. If it’s mainly a street truck you can get away with the 2 bar setup like this vid. Sorry for the long explanation.
deegan727 great explanation and I know what they do 👍🏼
Dr. BOWDOIN Sorry that comment must have been when I was working nights. I tend to get long winded in these comments LOL.
deegan727 no worries explanation was spot on
fucking love these guys
not those prices they dont i just make them myself
I remember years ago when you would drive a Ford super duty, Dodge Ram, or a Chevy Silverado but these days you can just drive the engine!
Crazy right!?
I mean I would need them if it wasnt like a million dollars to ship to Canada 🤢