MFNZ members call the police on RCModelReviews
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- This video also appears on my XJet channel, sorry about the duplication but I wanted as many people as possible to see this.
I received a phone call from the police today after a complaint was lodged by MFNZ members of the jet SIG who alleged that I had "threatened them".
Watch the vid and tell me what you think.
Surely this borders on harassment?
When will the petulant children of MFNZ grow up and start acting like adults?
Unbelievable!
Fortunately the police realized almost immediately that this was a ridiculous complaint by group of disgruntled fools and were happy with my explanation of events.
Case closed!
How much longer will MFNZ and some of its members persist in this idiotic and disgraceful behavior when all I want to do is promote the hobby and keep RC fliers informed and safe?
His shirt says "The more hair I lose ... The more head I get"
Where can I get this shirt? Nm found it.
If you walked up to me and said all that to me i would abandon my fly-day and ask if you'd show me your project. what a bunch of losers.
Sorry that happened
I was thinking the same, I just starting to get into the hobby, and i still want to see the project
too right maybe he should build a signal blocker to crash the aircraft of these sooky barstards don't get mad get even
100% I would want to know more about this awesome tech.
The trouble with being the smartest man in the room.
+Kjell Kittelson
Hahah, yep, I know just how that feels ... being smart isn't all fine and dandy!
+Benjamin “Ozias” Esposti Haha, I second that. Being the smartest person in the room is hard work, and a little lonely...
There is nobody in the room right now, so you could see why it is lonely :)
Been there still doing that. Sometimes it requires being honest with yourself and upping your communication game.
+Kelly Jackson true. in my opinion being smart fucking sucks you cant communicate with anyone and everyone elses jokes are always stupid and people wonder why you never laugh but they never think that they are a bunch of dumbasses so to make friends and you ARE the smartest person act dumber and play along get your fake laugh ready. its hard to blend in you need your social ghillie suit
Awesomelord101
Time for some change maybe?
One Engineer to another say nothing to these people leave them crash. The problem is your giving idiots fuel and ammunition to use against you.
+Long Range FPV Quadcopter .TBS Discovery
if it was me, i would jam the frequencies their transmitters operate on. LOL. Look into something called Skyjack. Technically, you could ground their aircraft by just sending across the Data packets that keep the motors RPMs low enough as to not create enough lift to fly..
UkPrepper2016 Military/Survivalist you got that right
This is a clear cut case of bullying. I would hire a lawyer and go after the MFNZ for loss of income, and after the police for harassment if anything goes beyond questioning for a complaint. That being said, I don't know the laws over there, were you in Canada this would work. I'm sorry for all the unnecessary stress you endure due to these petulant children. They're lucky you're so compliant if I had your knowledge I'd create a device to ensure they lose control over their RC's every time they're in the air and I would cost them every penny plus interest that they cost me. I hope everything goes well with your current project.
carry a camera or a mic with you when you go talk to them... that way, you have video, or audio evidence that they are full of crap, and not to be taken seriously by anyone.
sounds like they dont deserve any courtesies...
Bruce, don't talk to them. If their equipment is not up to spec then they deserve to lose the plane and their case they would assume that it was their own piece of junk plane that was at fault because that is what it is. As long as you are operating with in the limits of your country's regulation do not do the clowns any favors because as you know no good deed goes unpunished.
Unfortunately, and despite the specious allegations of MFNZ, I am someone who likes to try my best to ensure that expensive models don't get broken and people don't get hurt (or in the case of a 200mph turbine... possibly even killed).
***** I am sorry and I know that it sounds a little Draconian on my part but Bruce the idiots that you may have possibly saved from losing their turbine are likely to lose their turbine anyway even without you being around because their equipment is still out of spec and your concern did not change that situation. Their mistakes are not your responsibility; certainly not when they stab you in the back at every opportunity.
0917bobb If a serious accident occurred these "pilots" (using that word very loosely) would undoubtedly blame Bruce. He was just trying to do the right thing and covering his ass by warning them. BTW, Bruce you are very welcome to move to Aussie land. It's nice and warm at the moment and there's a lot less "Grumpy old men" here :)
***** Even in NZ with coco drinking grumpy old men they still require proof to take action against Bruce.
0917bobb
Sorry Bob, you just don't get how things work here.
The SWMAC was shut down by MFNZ on the basis of undisclosed allegations of wrongdoing. No details of these "serious allegations" were ever presented, no evidence was ever provided and no chance was ever given to the club (or myself) to defend ourselves.
Things work differently when monopolies are involved -- they are accountable to nobody and what they say goes - regardless of whether they're right or whether their rulings are unfair and unjust.
That's the reason I no longer belong to a model flying club. Too much politics along with shitty attitudes. They get pissy if you miss a club meeting where its the same old BS that bores you to sleep. Glad I own 25 acres now in the country where nobody is around to bother me :)
Make some noise on the 2.4GHz band now - so much noise that their receivers can't hear the transmitter :-)
LOL... I use the term "infants" and "grumpy old men" regularly when I refer to the same 2% of model fliers we have here in the USA. I used to think this was a cliché, but there truly is a small group of individuals in the world who really "Had their lunch money stolen on a regular basis when they were kids." Go on now, run to mommy and tell her how bad Bruce has been behaving lately.
I think one good threat of legal action, for loss of earnings could grease the wheels in that place.... and I think you could have a case of loss of earnings...
Bruce - unfortunately, your mistake. If you are compliant and operating within the law, I wouldn't have even bothered telling them! It shouldn't be up to you to fix stupid if they are flying heavy jets with AA cell Rx packs. On their head be it!
totally agree, you didnt write the rules, but you gotta play the game. sucks but thats life.
*****
I totally support you Bruce but unfortunately, anyone who now crashes their planes will claim you are responsible when in fact, you are not. These little people will be waiting to start the blame game. Another battle looming over the horizon.
Even here in america we don't have these problems! And I fly on weekends in a public park or school field in plain sight of major roads! Not once has anyone said something much less call the police! Something must be done!
Bruce, i can tell by the strain in your voice that this really bothers you.
Unfortunately, that's probably just what those knuckleheads wanted.
Don't give them the pleasure.
The 16 thumbs down are probably from that group.
I realize that this video is over 2 years old, but I would suggest making a claim against the heads of these organizations that are keeping you from exercising your rights, and do so at the NZ equivalent of Queens Bench, where lawyers are not allowed. If they are denying you your rights and causing you loses (money) and injuries (denial of rights), then you have a valid claim. If the problem has been resolved at the time of this comment, then hopefully it will help others with similar troubles in Canada, uSA, Australia, and England...basically any country where the jurisprudence is English common law.
Cheers
Can you not take anyone to court over the wings cert?
Bruce
You're right, they don't have a case. 2.4 GHz is a GURL (General User Radio Licence) band and no one can complain about someone using it even if they were using it first. Same for 5.75 GHz.
"You pays your money, you take yer chances".
Having said that you may have interference issues into your obstacle avoidance system too. My mate and I build high level drones here in NZ and I agree that electronic obstacle avoidance is the key to all these fears from the regulators.
I'd be interested in learning more. We've been working with LIDAR so far which uses lasers.
Never a shortage of dummies, anywhere you go.
Wow Bruce, MFNZ members have stooped to new lows! Calling the local authorities because of a personal grievance is despicable cowardly behavior. Let alone a waste of public resources and time.
Bruce, you're a true ambassador to the hobby. Unfortunately the world over there are small minded folk around who have complexes about themselves and find it difficult to integrate with good folk like yourself who are actually contributing to the development and safety of the hobby and prepared to share their knowledge for the betterment of others.
It's their problem their idiots, not yours.
I've just subscribed as I think your GREAT. Carry on regardless and stay cool.
You got my support!
If you are fully compliant, the best is to keep good records of it (just in case someone crashes a plane model), but never to go and tell people that you are doing something that may disturb them. "may" will always be taken as a certain.... And tough crap for them if they need to adjust their gear. If you are fully compliant they can't touch you.
And BTW, the gadget you are working on is a great idea! I hope it works!
Bruce, I'm afraid the idiocy on some level lies with you. You need to take this to court. 1. Get your ability to fly restored and 2. Stop playing Mr Nice Guy please. You're getting screwed! If you need some advice on representing yourself as a litigant in person pls message me. This is now ridiculous! Fight! Fight! Fight! I am LIP in the UK and winning against bulldog barristers. No fear, take it to court!
Unfortunately, lawyers cost money. Perhaps this is why MFNZ seems hell-bent on stopping me from earning a living -- they know that if I don't have money I can't sue their arses off :-)
Bruce become a LITIGANT IN PERSON. It will cost you very little and with sound arguments you will win. You may have to make an undertaking not to take the piss outta them on TH-cam, but if flying contributes to your income then you have a case to win. A bit of research on your part, maybe a McKenzie friend to help and you will win in court. Your ability to fly and continue this great channel is far more important than staying the same saying, "I can't afford a barrister". Act!
FlyBoySee
I don't think I'm actually taking the piss.
If I called them names that were in appropriate and did not accurately reflect their actions then you'd be right.
However, I called them "grumpy old men" and, someone correct me if I'm wrong, that certainly appears to be nothing more than an accurate description -- even if they don't like it -- it's a fact.
Likewise those who called the police on the weekend. No person in their right mind could challenge the claims I've made as to the sensibilities of those who engaged in that ridiculous course of action.
I *have* made MFNZ an offer to resolve this situation. I believeit to be a very fair offer and it would result in me working hard within the organisation to promote the hobby, support its members and restore, preserve and enhance the reputation of the organisation.
Will they accept it?
Whether they do or not will speak volumes.
***** I agree with FlyBoySee and many many others here.
I always liked your Videos and your uncomplicated attitude towards mostly any kind of thing.
You went to the people, to make sure, they know what are doing, to clear things off, I fully understand that, give them a precaution, because you care for not being responsible for any damage and you want them to fly safely.
I guess that is just how you have been raised, being polite to people, being a (like it seems on YT) nice person willing to share knowledge. And that's great!
What is not that great, is that are being exploited and suppressed by MFNZ.
You are being totally *nasty word*-ed by these people and they do what they do, because... well no body in the MFNZ has the courage to do the right thing, obviously.
The mistake you make, is not claiming your right in front of something that is ABOVE MFNZ. There is a saying in Germany "If there's no claimant, there's no judge." If you don't claim, don't expect anything to happen.
Maybe a fundraise would help getting you a lawyer, and I would definitely chip in with 20 Bucks, even though I am a poor Student, it would be worth it, because you are doing great work!
Sincerly,
Banquo
I just seen this video now. is a couple yrs old. I just want you to know, your inspiring for 10's of thousands of people around the world. your videos have taught me things i didnt know and in turn continue to seek out your videos as referance and learning. I just wanted to say a personal Thank You and keep up the great work.
It bothered me to watch this video about the issue your having, Im glad to see that the police ended there investigation due to frivalise no-minds.
Reminds me of a lesson I learned decades ago. 'Never be top anything at a rich pilots club if your not in the click.' Yep, been shot down many times and had the thermal printed freq scan to prove it. Those with the power enforce their rules, Hang in there Bruce.
Good Sir, I was a Deputy Sheriff of 20 years up until a couple months ago. These people you speak of never ever seem to go away. They are ridiculous and childish to say the least. Their not happy unless they are in the middle of some type of drama. Best wishes to you in dealing with these pathetic individuals.. Oh and happy flying!!
Sorry to hear your being bullied and harassed. I've quietly sat on the backbench enjoying your reviews and delivery of your technical prowess. Thanks a lot for all your efforts, I'm sure the quiet majority (1 million youtubers) also support you in your fight against political bureaucracy as you have inspired so many enthusiasts in RC modelling world. Keep up the fight.
PS. Your not banned in Aussie if you care to jump the ditch!
Thought I'd re-post this from your xjet channel, so others can read what I've said... "Exactly why I won't be joining any MFNZ affiliated club. My Uncle was into it in a BIG way before his passing a few years ago, that spiked my interest.... took me a little while to get into it, but anyway...I'm new into all of this RC stuff, started out with a large and cheap, gyro helicopter, but certainly loads of fun! I want to get into it so much more. Your videos got me to really want to fly RC planes. Not some grumpy old club that bends over for MFNZ. You have my support Bruce. Thank you for what you do."
lol you can ban people from flying rc for calling people names in New Zealand :DD what kind of a country is that :DD
@SEIKA Deadass. Lets let emotional mentally deficient manchildren run countries and be in charge of important mission critical programs that are essential in keeping safety and order in a country. Surely these manchildren and soyboys wont have a power trip and surely wont have their insufferable heads explode the moment their given a drop of power.
It a country with ZERO freedom, run by sucking psychopaths. Been there... wouldn't bother returning.
30 yrs ago I met my wife, it turned out her father was a RC modeller, he used to build his planes & repair his own controllers. He was pretty good to the point, he was the go to guy when new comers needed tuition? He would fly over any Council run fairs in the town & do shows & the highlight was dropping sweets from the RCM for the kids. He said he had individuals, even then who would try to sabotage his hobby by interfering with the frequency & cause the RCM to go out of control! Digressing a little. I used to ride MTB & on a ride I ended up in a wood in Pudsey near Leads, pleasantly riding through the wood, never straying off the paths, then we turned to a steep dip in the path, luckily nobody got injured! At the bottom of the slope between 2 trees either side of the path was a boulder rolled in the centre of the path & a rope around both trees, designed to injure & a sign in front of the boulder stating "Friends of Pudsey wood". Spoilers only care about their own selfish needs?
Hi Bruce, from what I've seen in your videos you come across as a very knowledgeable gentleman who is more than willing to help anyone. These people don't deserve you. Jump across the pond and come and live in Australia. People over here are much nicer and dare I say it quite a few of your countrymen and women have already seen the light. I might add that our regulators are much more understanding. Cheers mate,
John
I agree, think it might be time to pick up and leave that place! Looks to be more trouble than its worth!
***** Without meaning to say unnecessarily disparaging things about the many cool people who still remain in New Zealand, it's suicide rate is extremely high, one of the worst in the world.. this is blamed chiefly on the pushy macho culture and neoLiberal/free market policies pushed there by trendy sneer suited conservanuts.. it has one of the worst incarceration rates too, the highest in the developed world I believe.. Far right think tanks in America call it a roaring success.. ie, what normal humans call complete failure in which low IQ psychopaths rip the population off with junk and drivel, where life seems meaningless, filled with hollow ads, bullying finance, sociopathic bureaucracy, little sense of justice, fairness or equality.
Australia has it's problems too.. but I (in the UK) would far rather live in dynamic and exciting Australia than in NZ.. which by all metrics appears to be imploding into an ad lobotomy and greedy snide Hell.
If Bruce moved to Australia, he could pick and choose a spot to live, where his work could make a real difference to remote communities, with small deliveries, monitoring land, long flights over desert areas, leisure and beach life etc.
Such flight of talent out of NZ would be no more than a typical consequence of it's own decline of smart & human friendly culture.,. and exactly what it appears to deserve.
Heck, he'd be a super star there in many ways to the Australian RC community.. undoubtedly they, or many other countries, would welcome such an interesting and helpful personality with open arms.
There are plenty of needless nanny state rules and regs here in Australia... A lot vary state to state. The DSTA - Divided States & Territories of Australia! Probably not as bad as NZ though.
combatwombat71 I was referring to Kochbot banker criteria.
www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/news/display.aspx?id=19171
it is a measure of how conservative and how little regulation countries have, ie, how much corps rule with tabloid sales junk.
ie, it does not take any account of things like incarceration rates, standard of living of the population, or justice etc.
I would not of said a word about anything, because for 1, you work within the laws.
2. No matter what you do Bruce, These children from MFNZ will only see it in a bad way, no matter how good the cause is.
I personally think they want you out and gone. and also watch out for more games by the kiddies.
Keep doing your thing Bruce, And I hope common sense will prevail soon.
You have a lot of support my friend.
Good luck Bruce.
How absurd that someone with your knowledge who continues trying to bring that knowledge to the RC community, has to deal with others who LIVE IN A CAVE.
I am building my first Quad Copter and have found your videos to be soooo helpful and reliable.
I only wish you offered a 3-5 day "hands on" course.
Job well done and thank you.
I love Bruce's work! I just want him to take some time off and get an MBA degree, or hire a consultant, so he can learn how to monetize his talent. A "Store" tab on his website, offering PCBs, Schematics, Kits, PayPal Checkout etc would do it. The revenue would be exponential compared to the minimal AD revenue he is realizing..
" In every one of those little stucco boxes there is some poor bastard who is never free except when he is fast asleep and dreaming " - George Orwell
Hang in there Bruce!
Sounds to me as though you need to get a really good lawyer Bruce. Perhaps an online petition wouldn't be a bad idea either. It would enable those of us who really value your expertise and information, to show our support, and enable us to voice our opinion related to what is patently shoddy treatment at the hand of the MFNZ. Although I'm not a fan of FB perhaps that would be a suitable medium.....?
That's actually funny to me as a licensed Amateur Radio operator in the USA. Hams here are allowed up to 1500 watts of power (or 1500000 mW if you prefer) on the bottom 6 wifi "channels" of that ISM band, as primary users. Plus we have 3 channels below channel 1. So the modelers would have a moot point here, and the federal license would trump any unlicensed complaints. (However, intentional interference would still be a no-no, and wind up getting you labled as a LID, if not fined!)
Of course, unless you were doing deep space communications, no one in their right mind would use 1.5 KW, especially when a 22 dBi gain antenna would boost that to an ERP of 384 KW. No, 10-20 watts would be more than anyone should normally need at those frequencies.
However, even reasonable wattage HSMM (or even SSB, FM, PSK31 or what have not) ham equipment could spell doom for any nearby flying craft here, so they (professional moddlers) tend to avoid doing command and control over the 13 centimeter band, at least that is what I've heard. Some even go further, get their amateur license, and there are tons of frequencies, at much higher power, that are available to them for command and control. Not only that, but by gentleman's agreement (bandplan), there would be no hams using those frequencies, unless it were to fly. More data here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_multimedia_radio
Bruce, there's always a warm spot for you here in Arizona.
Hi from Denver, Colorado I am a commercial, multiengine, instrument rated pilot and currently fly as an aerial survey pilot inspecting oil and gas pipelines. I also am very involved in the model community I love flying helicopters mostly. I just wanted to say I love your videos and am blown away with your knowledge and experience! Certainly am always learning and appreciate all your effort. Good luck with your traffic collision avoidance work on 2.4ghz! I am sure you know this but we are now requires in America to use ADS-B in general aviation and commercial aviation in all airspace through out America. I'm sorry to hear that new zealand wont let you fly I think that is BS 73 KCOSUM is my ham radio license call see ya here!
Iv'e had enough of some of the idiots in NZ too. I was flying my glider at the park when some old guy came to me and said that by flying in the park I was endangering people life's. He explained that I was breaking the law because it was too big to fly there and might hurt someone. Anyway, I landed and moved to another area to get away from him.
A few minutes later I was greeted by him again this time he was really angry and I explained to him that if he just let me land I would talk to him. With that he grabbed the controller off me, smashing my glider into the ground, snapping the wing and totalling the fuselage. As if a piece of lightweight foam which I was in total control of was a risk to anyone before he intervened. I was pretty mad just seeing my new glider totalled and told him to f#@K off before gathering up my broken parts leaving the park.
Later I did check with the counsel to see if I was breaking any of these laws he talked about earlier, anyway they said that as long as I was not flying anything bigger that 2m and under a certain weight I was fine. I was totally compliant.
I don't fly there any more. Which is a shame, because it was a really nice place, however assholes like these have to wreck it for everyone. I really wish that people were more understanding and tolerant of these things. I wasn't doing anything wrong, no one was in danger.
I flew 8 to 10+ft wingspan gliders at Sunset Beach in Hawaii for almost 40 years and many other Beaches on the Islands. The life guards that control the beaches knew I had better control of the glider than most tourists have walking in the sand. And never once did anyone ever complain they just took a lot of pictures and years a latter a lot of videos. I've let kids catch my Oly2 while their parents took their picture. But that's onshore beach air and it's doesn't get much better than that. And most people know better than to grab something that belongs to me or learn the hard way that's not the right thing to do. But some things take time to sink in.... Sorry about your glider. Sorry to hear what NZ is turning into.
in america that would be assault and damage to private property possibly theft when he grabbed your tx. why did you not call the police??
You're obviously a nice guy, I'm not so sure I would have left the field or him peacefully after he crashed my plane which I had worked so hard for ... hmmm, GBH comes to mind, amongst other things! :)
Richard Hamilton What's GBH? Whatever it is I bet it hurts;-)
Grievous Bodily Harm, yes, some hurt involved!
I am so sorry that people are like this. at one time being courteous was common and being rude was rare (or more rare) not being rude is common and courteous is rare. this isn't just in new zealand this is almost everywhere. it truly is a sad thing... I wish you luck. a good idea might be to record any contact between you and these asshats.
We call it club drama here in the U.S. We get your frustrations.
As a ham operator, I understand your frustration. Anytime we interfere with a neighbor's stereo because they are not properly filtered, we get a complaint.
I believe the kids were probably intimidated by your experience and expertise when you confronted them. To privately save face and feel empowered, the only thing they can do is then to backstab. Younger generations of today are much worse in handling confrontation and conflict IMHO. I've seen failing social skills upfront on display so many times. It shouldn't bother you.
I know the NEW "Multi Rotor" community would never create this scenario.
Pick your battles, and know you ARE so welcome to so many of us that really do appreciate that knowledge AND your wonderful way of teaching.
Laugh it off to those that are only interested in their "small minded" ideals and can't understand your true interest, knowledge and imparting that to those us that are hungry for your knowledge and appreciate it.
Thanks so much.
We are the winners and they are the losers.
why the heck would you even tell them a darn thing, 1st your 100% legal, 2nd its up to them to make sure their stuff is working properly, your only making problems for your self trying to help some people,
He was being courteous. Some people are just dicks.
In hind sight, I would type something out on paper and hand it out, stating why it's being given out, what is being done, what he is legal to do, and what he can't do. So if people start whining, there is what was ACTUALLY said. It's a bit more work, but then he doesn't have to deal with the cops.
What most concerns me is that people like "them" can control your life. It also bothers me that there are people like this in the hobby. Is there no one you can get involved to clear this up once and for all? I love your videos and keep it up. You are doing all of us a great service.
Thank You!
Looks like life in New Zealand for you is getting worse.
I invite you to come and live in the good old UK.
I REALLY feel for you Bruce.
At the end of the day all you are trying to do is help and inform the world's flyers.
I feel this is now gone way to far,and NEEDS to be addressed by the power's to be.
Thats if they get of there lazy backsides .
Just remember mate when life gets shitty you still have a lot of good people out there how still believe and value both of your utube channels.
Chin up.
All the best from the UK.
Allen, from what I understand in the Uk, once a petition has a certain number of signature it has to be addressed. Not sure on kiwi laws but it's worth a shot. Bruce has so much to bring to the hobby and I for one have relied on his experience since getting back into from flying after a 15 year break. It's such a shame there are people out there that are so short sighted and pety.
I am staggered that a group of so called "grown ups" who fly toy planes can take it way too serious. In an already over regulated world we have these "grown men" who are acting so childishly and killing the hobby for many... Bruce you should just fly your planes mate. How many people have we all met who won't join a club because of the complete 'BS' and rubbish that goes on from the "power chiefs" in these clubs. Mini-dictators who think their way is the only way. Start your own club Bruce, the authorities would be foolish to "block you" or they may find they breach some 'discrimination' laws'. NZ could do with a club that offers free Membership (just user pays insurance). Sure there will be a farmer or private land owner who would grant permission to a responsible chap/group to fly some model planes. You need to take it to the Transport Minsister and get some adult sense into this argument.
Keep doing the good fight man, I love listening to your thoughtful responses on manufacturers, I get sooo tired of people who shill for anything the companies release. You are a breath of fresh air. :)
'BAD BOYS, BAD BOYS, WHAT YA GONNA DO, WHAT YA GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU"
sorry Bruce just had to do it.lol
I'm sorry for your troubles, especially when you were kind enough to give them a heads up about what you were doing. Best of luck with your creations ...I hope you got the frustration out of your system; from what I've seen of your videos you seem like a genuinely nice guy- don't let the idiots get you down.
Ignore them Bruce and as you say "Back to the binch"!
Well I'm trying to ignore them -- but when they call the police even when what I'm doing is "binch"-based, what are you to do?
crezzee, I think at this point there is no ignoring this any longer. They seem to be rather determined to ruin Bruce.. Bunch of childish pricks. They need a lesson in courtesy . (see my post above)
***** Start your own model aircraft association and get it approved by the director ;)
Jon Keller
Mr Rex Kenny, who seems to be MFNZ's proxy within the ranks of CAA has clearly informed me that "under no circumstances will CAA recognise any other model flying organisation than MFNZ, regardless of how many members it has".
That is just another reason why, in my honest opinion, there is a very unhealthy relationship between MFNZ and certain persons within CAA and that is a situation that ought not be tolerated. When a single organisation is given a monopoly over who can fly at or within 4Km of an airfield, they should be required (as a condition of that monopoly) to accept the membership of anyone who applies - or you end up with the type of abuse of power that I am being subjected to.
Typical CAA really. The CAA has always been a boys club, truly sad situation.
Sorry you have to deal with such idiots!!! Love the channel!!
Mate it's clear you already knew you had dotted the P's and and crossed the Q's, where this all went wrong was the part where you extended common courtesy to others. Once you know you're within your legal rights, proceed. Don't give people like this an opening. Half of my extended family are like that, petty and childish. I've learned over the years it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, and nine times out of ten I don't have to ask for forgiveness because they stay none the wiser to what i was doing. Have fun on your bench and good luck with your endeavors. :)
The one that called the cops was probably the same 'jobs worth' that used to hand out the 'pegs' on a busy model club Sunday - when crystals used to rule the airwaves - & only his bezzy mates used to get the best frequencies!! Maybe you should point an aerial towards their flying area (and a decibel meter) and check how 'legally' compliant all their kit is?? Then you would of course be 'obliged' to report any non-compliances you discovered!!
I hate to say it but if things get much worse in NZ some of us modelers across the pond may import you to continue your work in friendlier skies!
My thoughts are with you, and I hope you get your cert back soon.
They're all the same ilk, miserable people who arn't happy unless they are making others miserable too. Anyone who pops up as standing out in the crowd becomes an instant target. It's a epidemic here in the US, with all the dishonest politicians lying, people have just assumed lying is an acceptable way of dealing with anything you don't like.
Good luck on the crash avoidance system, it sure would save lives if you can make it "fly" (if you're allowed to). Keep the faith, and good luck, Scott
Move here to the USA and don't worry about it.
I second that! We would love to have ya :)
FLASHTV move to Syria and get to fly an uav
By watching this clip, I realized what a caring, considerate and knowledgeable person you are. It made me subscribe to your channel. Thank you Sir!
Most people dont understand a good will.
Thats because they wouldnt do it therselfs..
Hope you continue your work.
This avoidance system he's working on is much needed. Sad to see anyone that loves RC aircraft would get in the way of its development.
They are likely envious of the TH-cam success.
Agree... when some people can't have something they don't want anyone else to have it. His reviews are straight and he say's it like it is... a nice change of pace IMO.
Move to canada my friend. Your welcome here anytime, i have a trampoline you can sleep on for now.
That'll give him a lift.
I'm a bald grumpy old man too...can I come?
North america as a hole is so much more free than Europe honestly.
Move to USA. Things are improving.
Sorry to hear that... it's been some time since I've been into my planes and such therefore haven't watched yours or other related shows.. however The last time I was watching religiously I remember you had just starting to have problems that restricted you from flying... I am simply shocked that they can do that and still have you restricted from flying.. I have been watching your not so weekly news and such since around 2011.
it's shows like yours that have helped me to advance in my hobby of flight... Thank you for what you do. You have my support from USA.
Why not take R/C plane and fly over MFNZ then drop dog shit on them !!! LOL
while that did make for an awesome mental image and gave me a good chuckle, I couldn't help but cringe at the thought of what would come from that if they were willing to call the cops over a courtesy heads up.
Oh man!! That kind of crap just urcks the hell out of me! Ignorance begets ignorance to a point that any said group can't recognize intelligence anymore when it stares them in the face. I say don't back down and definitely don't pander to these dolts! Keep up the good fight! carry on!!
I wouldn't have told them a thing Bruce. Your installation and testing is done legally so if there is a problem with their stuff it is not your fault. Now what is going to happen is when one of them stuffs up and crashes they are going to be pointing the finger at you regardless of the real cause.
Yeah, but who really wants to see an expensive model get destroyed or (worse) someone hurt -- when a simple heads-up might help?
You have to remember that I'm trying to promote and support the hobby, regardless of who's flying.
***** Because they think like the petty children they are, they probably thought, "He's doing this to jam us, to deny the field to us just we and our kind have effectively banned it from his use." Twits...
I couldn't agree more with you under normal circumstances but given your history with the "Grumpies" they are not likely to view anything you say with anything but contempt. Some of them are ok but the majority of "Grumpies" are just daft. They wanted me to only fly circuits with my gliders FFS. I have never been less inclined to join a club than that lot. Now I fly in a paddock down the road completely ignorant of any rules. In my 30 something years of flying I have yet to kill anybody or do any damage to property (other than a few planes of my own). I don't need their stupid licence.
Keep up the good work Bruce, I have followed your channels fore years no, and you have learnt me so much. Good luck on your project, greetings from a cold and windy Norway
Hopefully they were charged with wasting Police time... :-(
I agree, there's got to be penalties for false accusations. Perhaps you accuse somebody without merit, you pay the penalty you were falsely trying to smear on them. Seems the complainers should lose their licenses in this case.
I am truly saddened by the attitude of most of the youth today toward the older generation, i served a electrical mechanical apprenticeship on leaving school, so spent ALOT of time with people much older and wiser than myself... This guy clearly knows his stuff and would more likely help when asked (properly). It's a real shame the older generation were young too once and so much more life experience
cant believe this garbage. These people need to find a different hobby and leave innovators alone.They should be thanking you and kissing your feet. sorry mate, come to the US
Ive face similar issue to this and so I simply just broke the law until it was nearly at the point they were going to put me in jail. In court it became very evident the gross incompetence of that association, not to mention the media embarrassment it brought onto them over petty behavior and with no foundation of justifiable cause. I was thrown out of court with the association foot the bill and the Judge recommended they have their association registration removed. You probably thought of this, but why not start up another association and in doing so when CAA advise you there is already one in place, simply point out it fails to comply to the brief.
Associations suc*. But I was slick and did not break the law and now Capt Karma is sounding his drum. e{a}/t=hv
I think the moral of the story is that sometimes it's just better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission... ;) don't let it get you down bud :)
I agree. Canada is where it is at! Great drone laws. Great airspace, and here in Vancouver, great weather year - round.
I am also interested in helping with your DSA project. Any info on how I can get Involved?
since when does the government,..the police or whoever have jurisdiction to tell you that you cant fly a model airplane ? as long as your not hurting anyone or damaging property they have no grounds to tell you shit !
Since the world became a police state backed by nagging busy bodies.
Alan Fox it's socialism , get used to it. The new generation are walking blindly to their own demise.
There are idiots in this world with no common sense, that's why. They end up seriously hurting someone and with lawyers and such they just make it difficult for the rest of us.
Sorry to hear about your travails Bruce, you should just tell them to bugger off!
If I was in your shoes I'd develop some way to give them a taste of their own medicine or jam up all the 'free for all' channels and statistically place them on trees where fling grounds and obstacles are so that models flying next to them will jam up and crash into the obstacle! Just make sure it is just under the legal transmitting power and they can't get you for it!
No... that's not how you do it. Let them hang themselves. Let them have time on a platter...
Hi Bruce. Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with the MFNZ people. It's the same over here in blighty with the BMFA, seems to be run by a bunch of self serving back slappers! I don't think they appreciat just how much how much damage they are doing to their own reputation AND model flying over in your part of the world. Given the following you have, the negative repercussions will come back to them for years. My advice would be to get in touch with one of your modelling mags with a letter
BMFA would not behave like MFNZ me thinks
Move over to the USA .:)
Sure, great idea. Our cops will beat him, taser, shoot, kick, punch him for that. Or anything else actually.
geneticallyinferior1 Fuck me mate, are you a member of the SIG jet club or just some sad troll. You have commented on here quite a few times and your animosity towards this guy is bordering on the deranged and dangerous. Anyone who is mentioning physical violence and death in these comments needs investigating pronto before they really lose it. Go away and get a life!
***** this was completely unnecessary ..ive just simply blocked him.. O_o..
The AMA is not much better. They have become increasingly politicized, and made the fatal error of agreeing to negotiate with the FAA / govt mobsters many years ago.
You don't negotiate with with politicians and bureaucrats. These people are sociopaths, and negotiating with them just encourages them.
Best to ignore them... Do what you want, but try to avoid confrontational situations. As far as I'm concerned the AMA, MFNZ, nor any similar organization really sends the correct message to the crony mobster bureaucrats.
K Danagger we don't want him lol .
You yell at someone's kid over here you'll get your ass kicked
A Little knowledge is a dangerous thing especially in the minds of those who feel entitled.
Keep pushing forward!
I love you videos, your depth of knowledge and energy AND I commend and support you!!!
I know there are always two sides to the story, but here is an idea. Film everything. And don't be polite and neighborly. Don't tell them shit. do your work, and if the others crash, well, they will learn something too.
famous line (CLEAN your optics)
cheers, and for all the backyard scientists and developers. More power to you.
Cheers!
Probably better to get along well with the local enforcement authority, they don't make the rules and can make your life miserable. Put the misery where it belongs; like what kind of shit storm can you stir up for MFNZ?
Is clean your optics the nerd version of a pilot's check six?
Aye, you got it ;)
Hello , I live in the U.S.A. and I can hardly find a park to fly in ! I have people come up to me that live next to these parks and threaten to call the police if I fly over their homes ! I'm in the park and only fly there only when it is safe to do so. I've have a feeling it's all the pot people grow now that it's legal to do so here in California. I can smell that stuff all over the place ! I can guess why they don't want me anywhere near their homes . But when you have someone pull up in their car glassy eyed and smelling like pot telling me their going to call the cops it makes me MAD AS HELL!!( DUI ) I'm sorry to say this but this country's going to POT ! Pretty soon people won't have the IQ to tie their shoes. Man I miss the 50's !
Hey, Bruce, did this get any better for you in two years?
i know right? i just watched this today, this guy rules. hater goina hate.
Bruce, Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for all the info you provide. We love your channel back in the USA. We just have to hope we don't make the same mistakes with our Beaurocracy. Good Day Sir!
Bruce you need to learn @55 covering 101... document all interactions. Just because you are a nice guy does not mean everyone else is. If as you say you are operating within the laws does the law state you need to "notify" others? I assume not.... perhaps you need to just get on with what you are doing and leave them to themselves.
The problem is that *I* don't want to be responsible for any crashes or (heaven forbid) anyone getting injured or killed as a result of these people's failure to fully understand the technology (as witnessed by the jet in the pine-tree). It was a courtesy to alert them to the facts -- but one which they chose to turn around and treat as a threat.
If I hadn't advised them of the increased noise floor and half a dozen poorly set-up models had crashed then guess who'd be copping the blame? After all, there will shortly be a new cluster of antennas on the workshop roof and naturally they'd claim that I'd shot them down on purpose if I hadn't "done the right thing" as I did.
You are absolutely right.
Bruce, you shouldn't even tell them that you may increase the noise floor because you don't need to, you will not be responsible if their models crash(they should always do a range check before flight. It's their fault if they did crash), and how do they know that you caused the problem.
I know are a nice and honest guy but you should just ignore those people.
Not worth the time and the effort.
***** Bruce... you are always enforcing that operators need to operate safely and within the laws which is why you dont just fly. You can not be responsible for what may or may not happen because another flyer does not use their equipment correctly. Onus of proof is as much on their side as yours. Document everything you do in details... if they throw enough mud some might stick but you can defend yourself. Stop being the victim
***** Like want I said. How do they know it's caused by you? Even if it is caused by you, do they have any proof? I do think they are going to go to the court for $500-$1000. It's not worth the money. Even if they did, I'm sure that the judge won't be bias.
Good luck, Bruce.
Love the dedication. Two thumbs up !
Why did he get grounded?
And who got the power to do so?
Like he says in the video, he talked nasty to the people responsible for managing the required local license, and they revoked his.
And then he went to another RC group and threatened to try to get their licenses suspended too, so they called the cops on him.
And so he makes a video and explains it all. It is very useful to learn how to translate Passive-Aggressive-Excuse-Whining into English in these situations, you can often piece together a fairly accurate sequence of events even just from the one side of the story. ;)
railspony
Obviously this man is a trouble maker, but this should have no impact on his license unless the trouble he makes is against the laws. Thus, clearly there is a power of tyranny exposed in this situation if we rest this conclusion on what is said in this video. Funny how you could come to a false conclusion when the correct one was so simple to figure out. Maybe you're just helplessly stupid and a chicken shit and used to go with the stream. The pattern of your reasoning unfold this must be the case. That Passive-Aggressive moronic shit you pull suggest you're so unfamiliar with reason letting emotion take full control of your non.working brain.
thats not what i heard him just say at all... and you gotta be pretty ignorant to think you can get accurate details from one side of an argued story...
Vatsyayana
The premises is what one can conclude from a single side, then it's not the least relevant what you think one can get from two or more.
Are magnetic pulse generators or Wifi frequency jammers illegal in New Zealand? That would give them something to bitch about. You would think fellow RC pilots in the area would have your back especially if you are giving them a heads up! I would shake your hand and thank you for that information if it was me. Keep up the great reviews you are the best at what you do. I always look for your reviews first before others simply because you cannot match the experience you have as an electronics engineer in our wonderful world of RC. Thanks!!!!
People who call the cops are bitter jealous people wishing they had an awesome hobby themselves.
Glad to head S&A system is back in full swing!! =D
Good luck buddy!
hey look... 28 MFZN members have seen the video (28 thumbs down...lol)
ya... I want to see Bruce flying again
I love your channel, don't let these people get you down. Hope you carry on what you do cuz you're great at it, and i look forward to more videos!
Love this mans accent. Reminds me of dave Jones eevblog
Cheer up Bruce, Don't let "those" people upset you. Next time I come over to NZ I will have to check out your town, maybe a visit too. Cheers.
You kind of sound like Dave Jones when he's ranting, weird.
Any who, I would try to find loop-holes( Have a knowledgeable and trusted friend fly for example ) or move, but I'm sure that's easier said than done.
I know right?
I thought it was David with a false beard at first.
I think Dave L. Jones must be related to him. I wonder if you put these two guys together what project they might come up with.
Anatoly Vizitiu L? Huh. Nah, that's,probably what all smart ass electrical engineers sound like when they get screwed over.
You have my deepest sympathies Bruce. These idiots are everywhere and there are more coming out of the woodwork every day trying to destroy the hobby in pursuit of money and power!
Your videos and honest reviews are the reason I got into this hobby in the first place, I recommend your channel whenever I can and will continue to enjoy your honest and entertaining way of helping and educating people. Just a real shame you can no longer enjoy to the same extent yourself due to these scumbags!
Keep up the great work! Myself and many others will be following your hard work all the way :)
Move to a country that allows human rights.
lol where is that? cuz if your talking about here in the US then thats not a good statement since every single state and county have their own laws and regs, take California (West Korea) for instance, they have revoked your 2nd amendment rights unless your pay them ridiculous amounts of money and other bullshit requirements.
And "Human Rights" doesnt say anything about the right to fly RC Planes...
Vatsyayana in America we just do shit without asking... if you can find an open field, it's likely that the owner doesn't care.
well it depends on how close you are to a base, our high school had to inform the airbase before they set off little baby rockets, but its a military base.
Vatsyayana I set off rockets and fly planes on MY field when ever I want key word MY none ever go above 150 ft and if a air force plane is flying that low the pilot needs to be grounded.
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I am a new subscriber and have only watched a few of your videos. This whole mess reminds me of my uncle's experience dealing with his local club. He ended up having to leave the club and start his own because of his son's mental disability and the way the club was treating them because of it. They pulled similar crap on him when he was considering running his own club and runway. It definitely changed the way I looked at clubs when I was old enough to really grasped what had happened.
Best thing about it, my cousin is a better rc pilot than I am and they still run a field that is better in a lot of ways than they were flying out of, paying less overall and actually having FUN with their hobby. (this is in Ontario Canada fyi)