A Heideggerian Analysis of Studio Ghibli's Films
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This is a re-edit of an old video that had been previously blocked by copyright.
Heidegger works referenced:
Question Concerning Technology - simondon.ocula...
Building Dwelling Thinking - www.wwf.gr/imag...
Miyazaki interviews referenced:
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www.curatormag...
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www.japantimes...
Movies shown:
Princess Mononoke (1997)
Castle in the Sky (1986)
Pom Poko (1994)
Whisper of the Heart (1995)
Porco Rosso (1992)
Spirited Away (2001)
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984)
Kiki's Delivery Service (1989)
Only Yesterday (1991)
The first part of this video is such a lucid presentation of Heidegger's later work. As someone currently working on a thesis building on Heidegger's phenomenology of technology, I am quite impressed with and envious of your ability to explain this difficult material so effectively.
Spot on. I too am deep in the topic and have wasted pages and pages trying to describe H’s thought, never as clear and descriptive as this.
I'm not particularly well-read or well-versed on Heidegger, but the older I get and the better I think I understand his thought, the more I appreciate his terminology.
Thank you for re-uploading this one.
All I know about him is that he's a Nazi
Being And Time is pretty dense.
@@jordanwaskelis4913 as in stupid or verbose? Or both, which is the correct answer?
@@joshbarghest7058Go read it and find out
When one refers to a literary work as dense they are almost always talking about it's length and inaccessibility.
This reminds me a bit of Scrooge McDuck, as he's is portrayed in the Don Rosa comics. I remember once, I think it was in "Last Sled to Dawson", he remarks that he used to be able to appreciate a beautiful landscape like a forest, but now he just sees uncut timber.
It's a theme in Don's comics that Scrooge used to view money as a direct representation of effort and worth, that he greatly valued it and other keepsakes for the sake of the memories they represented, but that over time, he got more and more obsessed with money it for it's own sake. Scrooge is portrayed as often being stressed with the technicalities of maintaining his money-making empire, that he's alienated from his own wealth.
If I remember correctly, in this narrative, it was when Donald, as well as Huey, Dewey, and Louie came into his life, that he began to rediscover his love for adventure, and began showing some hint of breaking down the cynicism that had gripped him. He loves hunting treasure not just because it's valuable, but because he kind of wants to find his love for things that are awe-inspiring, beautiful, and such.
Also somewhat related, Don also acknowledges the mortality of the characters, such as the death of Scrooge's parents, the finitude of Scrooge as a character living in the eighteen- and nineteen hundreds, and I believe Don also gave some description of how he imagined Scrooge's death at some point. Specifically, I remember learning that he envision Scrooge as passing away at the age of 100, as some kind of semi-canonical vision of the epilogue for Scrooge's story. This frames Scrooge as a person with a concrete life story, filled with wonders and regrets.
As cool as Don's work can be, it was a while since I was a Donald Duck comic reader, so forgive me if I messed any of this up.
Thank you, I'd like to dig up Walt Disnep's body and empty a magazine into his stupid antisemitic skull now. God damn, good thing Miyazaki wasn't dependent on some equivalent of Disnep (yeah that's how I spell his name because that's how he himself wrote it).
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck is the best story of American capitalism ever written. Its the only one that gives the capitalist his due. It recognizes that there is romance and adventure in seeking ones fortune while also depicting alienation that can develop.
Every other story of American capitalism is motivated by ideological corporatism or vindictive envy. Rosa saw the romance and tragedy.
You might want to check out Herbert Marcuse's work because he was a student of Heidegger's and the core of his whole project was to try and use the things he got from Heidegger and Freud to try and sketch out what non-alienated work could look like.
I really liked the scene in the new revival series, when his board of directors emphasize that they are locked in a perpetual "positive minus" because not only scrooge does not want to optimize and pursue capital, he even has huge investments not only for philanthropy but in-house RnD and that library he has for example. Scrooge even has a homely comment on these, where he emphasizes that - who else would hire my weirdo employers, look at them ! - and this defense also brings forth in a subtle way, another quality of his, and a sense that he is trying to give back somehow, because he gives chance to those in need, like how for example Launchpad is someone who claims to be a vehicle expert that is actually unskilled and doesn't even poses a drivers license.
What i got out of Carl Barks's stance on the matter, is that Capitalism is here to stay for a long time because it is just ingrained in the society so much that it would be like a big tumor on a body - it can be removed surgically but the surgery itself would be so complicated and hard on the body, that it might be fatal in the end, and because of this the surgery is perceived by the body as being even more dangerous and fatal than it really is. So, the best thing someone can do in the meantime - someone who is actually more versed and built for business and management - is to actually pursue positions of power. From the comics I read as a kid, I remember that the only times Scrooge does something wrong or bad, it's still serving a larger goal. Glumgold could very well been a normal person that got corrupted by capital and the modern societal norms. And in that small universe - it is Scrooge who foils Glumgolds schemes and grifts. And we somehow know that without scrooge Glumgold would be 10 times more powerful - because Scrooge does foil him on his own in every case, and often Glumgold even has allies and "flying monkeys" (in psychology a flying monkey is a person who is infatuated with a malignant narcissist and because of this is willing to do all sorts of tasks(often malicious) to help the narcissist with their goals) who help him well aware of his real intentions.
Carl Barks could not have scrooge say things like : death to bourgeoise, long live anarcho-communism.. But he did the best he could by just making sure that this becomes a popular and agreed upon view of how someone who is in the 1 percent should be. He had to be very careful with this portrayal because if he leaned too much on either side, these would not become the most popular comics in the world, so think of Scrooge like a seed-symbol, a mind virus that is supposed to go by unnoticed by those who would try to suppress it - and then become some kind of a norm in the mind of people. Of course it can also do damage - people can get the wrong kind of message as - being rich is cool - or - all rich people are like that. Meanwhile in real life, not only obfuscation and acting and performative morality become the norm for all the populace, the 1 percent of today go to great lengths to stay out of the public eye.
It is always a great day when Jonas Čeika uploads a video!
*Reuploads
A Jonas re-upload is worth thrice the upload of most TH-camrs
You mean Cuck Philosophy 😂
It's Jonas Čeika! *trumpets*
I read that as John Cena 😭😭
While listening to your points about Shinto it finally clicked for me why my last trip to Greece was so memorable. I was there with a few friends of mine and we explored the area around Corinth. Opposite of our apartment's living room window we could see a mountain with a cloister on it. So, one day we decided to drive up there and visit it. I'm not christian or religious in any way but I can't deny the presence of the small chapel and crypt. Especially the latter had a divine quality. It felt like a place in our physical realm that was connected to something else, something more. Talking to the nuns there, they revealed it's history and culture. This was not an abstract idea of god and the heavens but a very tangible place that had significance because of it's connection to where it was built on and the people that inhabitated it.
That's why I love the concept of Shinto, because seeing a Torii gate is just an invitation to observe and appreciate what's around you!
If you ever go back to Greece, I would recommend Delphi. It is my favourite place on Earth. It has had significance to the Greek world since Ancient times and is still a place of staggering natural beauty. It is quite remote, as it is in the hills up above, where the bay of Corinth can be distantly viewed. The modern place itself is more or less a big street, with its hostels and restaurants. But the ruins of Ancient Delphi are, though hidden, up above the modern village, beautifully built amongst the natural curves and elevations of its natural hilly, almost mountainous geography.
It's the place that made my soon-to-be wife fall in love with Greece, and what allowed her to understand why I have such a deep affection for the region. It is not far from Athens, in fact you can get a coach there, and the journey is only about 3 hours. I can't recommend it enough.
Thanks for the tip. Definitely keep it in mind and have a wonderful wedding with your soon-to-be-wife ;)@@jabraanshahzad5157
unfortunately, this is a disappearing inheritence in "European" or "western" culture (including those in the Americas and elsewhere), the quiet and stately natural grandeur of God. St John of the Cross wrote that "the first language of God is silence" and the Old Testament describes God manifesting to Elijah as a "small still voice".
I'm not proslytizing here or anything, but a lot of people living in previously imperial-colonial cultures go out looking for this kind of sacramentality and end up appropriating the cultures of previously colonized peoples and sometimes that ends in New Age chicanery and the next thing you know we have white guys in their 40s with topknots passing out potent psychedelics to young college freshwomen so he can take advantage while her entire psyche is being blown out her ears and all across his sticky shag carpeting.
meanwhile, all we had to do was take a look in our own cultural-historical backyard and we could have avoided the whole thing
As a woodworker, I found the analogy of handicraftsmanship quite fitting. Many things traditionally made out of wood, such as furniture, are made from wood because the natural properties of the material are already well suited to that purpose. Lumber can be milled entirely by hand, without modern technology (although with comparable difficulty), and made into usable stock that takes advantage of a given species' hardness, stability, and aesthetic qualities (I specialize in making furniture and cabinetry, by the way; Luthiers are on a whole other level of craftsmanship). Contrast, however, with the products of a company like Ikea. Most flatpack furniture is made from various types of fiberboard, waste products from lumber milling processes, chips and fibers from off cuts and undesirable lumber. This waste material isn't suitable for making furniture on its own, so large quantities of adhesives and binders are added to "coerce" it into having properties good enough for furniture making. It is then covered with manufactured veneers, made from plastics without a trace of wood in them, to give it the appearance to the untrained eye of having been made of real wood, and this entire process is only possible with large scale, automated industrial machinery.
I absolutely agree with you, and my favourite pieces of furniture are made of glorious dark-stained Jarrah wood which has stood the test of time for decades, and will for decades more. (Most were gifted to me, as I can't afford pieces like that myself.) But with that said, I respect Ikea for actually being able to make something highly functional and still somewhat aesthetically pleasing out of what would otherwise be, as you said, waste material. That's actually pretty incredible. I've had a pair of Ikea square-shelf bookcases for years - the ones you can put square baskets in for extra storage where needed - and for a renter in an ongoing housing crisis who often has to move at short notice and sometimes live in fairly cramped apartments, those things are ridiculously functional, clean and pleasing to the eye, light enough for one small woman to carry, and surprisingly hard wearing.
So yeah, props to Ikea for making good furniture out of the discards which cabinetmakers and carpenters can't use. Waste not, and all that.
nothing is more wasteful, ugly , sad and pathetic in this world than an ikea shelf covered in funko pops.
@@kaydreamer Wilecraftanshipreally usually hasthat touch of artisticfelppretty often
Ikea really deserves credit for functional good enough made funiture out of leftovers. And i know its not the only one,youcan use itother ways, but ikea does provide affortable practical decent service.
@@j.2512dude I’ve seen your comments all over the video, you are one sad man. Stuck in his hole of either TikTok, Reddit, discord who knows but to use those terms tells me where you spend most of your time and I suggest you really try to change bro. I mean it cause I came from the same place.
It's always great to read the comment of a craftsman who can accurately, thoroughly and succinctly describe his craft in words.
I'm only 19:30 minutes in, but I have to mention before I forget, that in the manga for Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, the forest (the Sea of Corruption) is not as disconnected from human intention as is implied in the film. in the manga, humans in power before the Sevend Days of Fire (the apocalypse of weapons of mass destruction that happened prior to the story) genetically engineer the Sea of Corruption's plants to spread across the earth after their downfall, consuming what they had decided was corruption and leaving in place a "clean" world without the fallout of weapons and industry. the ancient humans at the height of civilization even left the Crypt, a library of seeds and embryos of "clean" humans, guarded over by an absolutely sinister technological god. the idea is once the world had been "cleansed" (the spreading forest suffocating all surviving human society and life, and eventually itself, including Nausicaa and her people and the Torumekians and the Dorok tribes - everyone alive in the story) then the ancient humans would wake up to a terra nullius for them to rebuild civilization, only this time supposedly avoiding the mistakes of mass death and genocide... ironically.
in the end Nausicaa asks the God Warrior to destroy the Crypt altogether, but she lies to the people about the likely fate that their society would be wiped out within a few generations.
I mention this because it illustrates how Miyazaki doesn't see a clear line between technology and nature. it makes me think of Donna Haraway, the Cyborg Manifesto. the forest is itself a technology, in this case crafted by humans with an intent and a directive, and the weapon of mass destruction is itself alive and natural, born from a womb of sorts and carrying with him a name and a personality, even taking the form of a human, and taking cues from Nausicaa who he bonds with. he struggles with what seems like inborn directives from when he was first engineered, to be a supreme arbiter of justice of some kind, but also listens to Nausicaa who pleads with him to be gentle and peaceful.
I love the movie for what it is but after reading the manga the story seems so simple and clumsy in comparison, the themes and conclusions arrived to are so much more in depth and honestly airtight than in the movie, which feels almost like a Disney princess movie.
iirc current days humans were genetically modified to resist breathing in the shrooms (with varying degrees of success). nausicaa takes a bet herself: she gives currently alive "impure" humans a chance (as slim as it is! they're not designed for good clean air) to strive in the future, against the ancient plan to cruelly let modified humans roam the earth before taking their place.
it seems absurd that humanity could survive its own plan, but to do so it must own up to its mistakes and change trajectories to avoid making the mistakes of the past. even when the most likely outcome is extinction. it beats getting stuck in a loop of violence and destruction and nostalgia
thank you for the reupload. i remember in graduate school a philosophy professor who specialized in German philosophy, specifically Heidegger. To make a long story short, no one would touch Heidegger when it came to the essay requirements, not only because of the often difficult language of Heidegger, but because of his relationship with the Nazis. I thought it all fascinating; the fact that the philosopher can often times be distorted/broken vehicle of his own philosophy. anyways, i think the only reason i received a high score in the class was because i wrote my final thesis on Heidegger. Tried to connect his thoughts with some eastern philosophical views, like you have here, but my professor wouldn't have any of that! not sure why
Essay requirement #1: spell the author's name correctly.
@@buteverybodycallsmegiorgio don't quit your day job. *also* edited for your much needed approval
maybe people should finally realize that the wrong side won WWII . We are living in a distopia were the bad guys got away with it
Eastern phil unfortunately isn't taken really seriously or seen as mysticism and not philosophy in a lot of Western philosophical academic spaces- this is I think due to biases and assumptions about what philosophy is though, ironically. luckily comparative phil between West and East is growing a bit more popular
What sort of topics did you connect?
@@hiero9801 i remember a classmate wanting to connect aspects of Buddhism (didn't remember the specifics). I more Sufism
"Relatively lighthearted Ghibli movie Pom Poko"
I honestly think it's one of Ghibli's darkest movies, its characters are cute but I was really shocked how dark it goes.
I mean , lighthearted?! While ithas a fun tone there is also them havingtodealif they become eco"freedom fighters" or try to adapt. And it becomes pretty dark, even with a more bittersweet, but still tragic ending
Is not the darkest but damn is it one of the pretty ,i mean tere are questions of ecotrrsm directly adressed,and hown. and its complicated too. The hijinks are on a damn dark tragic serious story arc. Its not as dark as mononoke, but a tragedy.
@@marocat4749 It's a rather absurd setting but it works.
It had me thinking with full honesty:
"the sequence with the ball-sack boat was absolutely heart-breaking."
Definately one of the darkest. As well as "Only Yesterday". I think that kiddo completely confused pathetic Miyazaki with brilliant Takahata. A lot of bs on Heidegger here as well. One of the weakest works.
@@TrueNeutralEvGenius I love Miyazaki's work and I'm not familiar with Heidegger to know whether this video is a good representation.
But "Only Yesterday" is indeed great.
@@TrueNeutralEvGenius Only Yesterday reference!!! BatChest
I barely watch TH-cam nowadays but this is one of the few remaining channels I feel excited about when a new video is up ❤
Hi Jonas, beautiful video! Your view of Ghibli movies from this new philosophical lens I wasn’t aware of made me cast my mind back to one of my favourite movies “Kadaisi Vivasayi” (The Last Farmer).
It is a Kollywood movie that talks about a village where almost all the farmland has been sold to real estate developers. Only an elderly, almost senile farmer and his little piece of farmland remains. One night a bad omen presents itself to the villagers and they all approach the farmer to request him to grow rice so they can offer it to the village gods and appease them. The rest is the story of the farmer struggling to grow paddy as well as teaching and recruiting the villagers to help him in the task, in a way reconnecting them with nature and the spiritual nature of farming.
The movie is beautifully shot and left me with a sense of awe and reverence when I watched it. I couldn’t quite put my finger on what I felt or had the appropriate lens to analyse it until today. Now, looking back, I realise I felt the same feeling when I saw Spirited Away for the first time too! You should check it out if you find some time, I wonder what you would think of that movie.
Funny, while you were talking about wood artists who take inspiration from the wood itself, I was literally carving out a branch that I'm turning into art!
That's EXACTLY how I create my art - I find really unique pieces of dead wood while I'm hiking and "see" what I want to create out of it....
Mostly, I've turned them into snakes or birds, as that is what the shape lends itself to.
I've also made a lot that look like lightning bolts and clouds or trees.
Many times, the grains or cracks in the wood denote the pattern I paint too, not just the shape.
It's very much a Taoist way of looking at art, going with the flow and finding inspiration from the individual pieces as I go.
I also take inspiration from the Japanese process of Kintsugi, where gold is used to fill in cracks of broken objects, drawing attention to imperfection and saying there's beauty in that
One of your best videos, glad it's back on TH-cam!
Heidegger's philosophy always reminds me of Tolkien's works and the themes he touches on lol
Every video from you is just a blessing
A video essay on Evangelion perhaps?👀
There is a lot to unpack there I believe
I am reminded of Terry Pratchett's "Reaper Man", where Death retires and starts working on a farm, in disguise. He notices the Combination Harvester, a mechanical contrivance that was to be the dawning of a new technological age on the Discworld (the universe in which Pratchett's novels take place). It was a reaper of corn that horrified Death utterly. He tried to beat it with his method of reaping: one stalk at a time. He nearly did so too, but mortals couldn't. As always, people were dismissive, but were beginning to come round to the idea. In the end, the Combination Harvester came to grief when Death needed the tarpaulin hung around it during a very fierce storm, and simultaneously removed a small but vital part.
“Call me Billy D…”
Please do another. I know it was difficult to zero in on what to discuss on the ghibli side and difficult to breakdown on the heidegger side, but I think that's why another video should be made! This is a solid connection, sentiments plainly expoused by Miyazaki himself. There's other thinkers and figures to consider, Reich and shauberger to name two. There's more shinto thought, analysis, and traditions, than you can read but endless depth available. I think a part two could be many times the success this video is, and more thoughtful, provoking, and enlightening, still
this is the kind of content I want, almost exclusively. inspiring, educational and just the right degree of in-line with my own thoughts.
many thanks to you for this video!
Wow. I was just recently getting to know phenomenology a bit better and rembered this old video yesterday. Very fortunate timing
good to see this reuploaded! one of my favourite vids of yours :3
CCK Philosophy - the greatest channel on this website. Made me get into philosophy myself.
Well, he's no Pewdiepie but he's up there in the top 20 greatest channel for me.
I've since found several other great channels though, some of which are thankfully very successful too, including Thomas Flight, Like Stories of Old, and Skip Intro.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 pewdiepie fell of and wasnt that great to begin with🥴🥴
@@ΚυρίαΚατίνα he was king of TH-cam for a while.
Pewdiepie is a clown lmao.
just when i was looking for a good introduction to heidegger you provided it to me without asking❤❤❤❤
“As mortals, we're ruled by conditions, not by ourselves.”
― Bodhidharma
I think you are missing a big part about Heidegger. The term revealing is meant lifeworldy. Phenomenological. Technology changes our relationship with the world around and hence makes us think in challenging forth terms. His critique is not just the ability of technology to challenge forth as a mere means but the changes in lifeworldy appearance the world gets by this new mode of revealing. The world as a resource or standing reserve comes to be by the new mode of revelation that modern technology triggers. Technology is not a means but a form of revealing, revealing of appearence. Heidegger is much more than a mere romanticist. The distinction between bringing forth and challenging forth is the bets explanation of authenticity e.g.
Thank you,
this video resembles a sentiment i always felt, but couldnt grasp as clearly as you worked out here.
Thankyou! ❤
love this video and glad it's back on youtube!! the only criticism i have is at 28:22 you describe shinto as being older than historical records, although similar practice has existed in actuality shinto was formed syncretically (most obviously with buddhism) until the first years of the meiji when a deliberate ideological programme was implemented to separate 'shinto' from 'foreign influences' in this respect what we understand shinto to be now is a product of deliberate nationalist state-building. this isn't to take away from the video because it's ultimately not something that contradicts what you said, i just think it's important context.
that makes it based.
@@j.2512 nationalism is cringe
>what we understand shinto to be now is a product of deliberate nationalist state-building
This is not entirely wrong, but it's misleading. It is true that many Buddhist temples and Buddhist influences were destroyed/removed because of the Shinto/Buddhist Separation Order during the imperial period, but there were many temples and shrines that were not affected by this, and there were also many that revived their traditional forms after WW2.
"Shinto" is a very broad concept that includes Izumo Taisha Shrine and Ise Jingu Shrine, which have a strong mutual influence on the imperial family and nationalism, as well as local folk beliefs and practices in remote villages that were largely unaffected by the imperial family or Buddhism. While the underlying concepts and basic manners are shared, the beliefs and practices vary greatly from community to community and shrine to shrine.
Shinto is older than historical records, but needs to be separated from "state Shinto" used for nationalistic reasons when Japan needed to become a modern nation and fend off Western empire-builders. Buddhism took over and became the official religion in the Heian period (all citizens to be registered at their local Buddhist temple as was done with churches during the middle ages; smaller more local Shinto spirits "identified" as Buddhist deitites, etc). So it was Buddhism that co-opted Shinto practices.
Im barely 5 minutes in and its so provocative (in the good way)
4:30 "perception and salience" - this is so much of John Vervaeke's work.❤
omg it's back! I used to watch it using a torrent but I've lost it. It's my favorite upload of yours!
I agree with Heidegger in his critique of how modernity has destroyed our relation to nature,but what frustrates me is that,although he understands that it is like this due to the search for profit,he never points out to which class is making it happen and which other class can actually change our relation to the world
It may be because im a communist,but it's undeniable that Heidegger shows no path for change
Yes, there is a huge missing element in his thinking. Ironically, the same thing that allowed him to be so insightful regarding technology and the nature of "what was lost" is what made it impossible for him to fully undertake and incorporate the insights of the kinds of philosophy that precisely might fall under "technological" ways of thinking, that may provide a path forward.
I totally agree. Capitalism has turbo-charged climate change, and now, as we stare down complete ecological catastrophe, it is painfully obvious that communes working in tandem with nature are the only viable future for humanity.
Its because hes a massive nazi
Heidegger like most reactionary Germans from this time period blamed the Jews
he blamed it on the jews
One of the best and most clear descriptions of H’s argument on QCT. I see it poorly done all over YT, this was v good. And doing with SG as a reference was perfect.
I just washed this again and based on your comments at the end about taking the nostalgic ideas and using them for good, I wanted to push you toward Albert Borgmann’s two books. Technology and the Characters of Contemporary Life as well as Crossing the Postmodern Divide. He was a student of Heidegger‘s long ago, and really evolves the idea of the sacred through every day practices by presenting interesting ideas on how to use these thoughts to create a meaningful life and move forward.
It was nice to revisit this video, I still keep a copy on my hard drive from the first time you uploaded it. I hope it stays up this time, it's a good intro to Heideggerian thought.
I have a personal distaste for philosophers who talk at length about history, but without any of the rigor expected from an actual historian. Like it's all just vibes. Did Christianity really have some old era where people were more reverent and connected to the land, or is that just vibes?
can explain further on the, just vibes part. Are you saying the vibes are just generalized feelings throughout history? Or how do you mean?
Worth noting that Heideggeran was also born wealthy and didn't have to work hard in his life at all. It's easy for him to talk about dismantling technology and going back to grueling labor and hands-on work, when he's done none of that his whole life.
It's always the same, funny story - the working man complains about hard work. The wealthy man complains about how efficient and boring not having to work is.
Thank you for this video and thank you for the viewers comments. I am learning from all this while taking a deeper look into my idol Miyazaki's films and the work of Heidegger. Never too late to learn.
Works of Arran Stibbe on the application of critical analysis upon the corpora linguistics with ecological purposes ("Stories We Live by", "Animals Erased") are full of Ghibli references, and the Stibbe himself talks about Ghibli's anti-industrial narrative a lot. What is interesting is how the Hollywood machine tries to frame Miyazaki's animes into this industrial/capitalist narrative by using deliberately incorrect translations in dubbing...
I'm interested in the lines that contrast in the dub and sub versions. Could you reference a couple for context?
Stibbe provides an example of "this bucket has no bottom" being dubbed as "what a stupid bucket" on 45th minute of this video th-cam.com/video/mSgDm9a0Wm0/w-d-xo.html
It's not merely corpora linguistics, it's systematic functional linguistics that he draws upon. A highly sophisticated method of analysis ignored by most because god forbid we put any time into understanding things anymore. A couple of vague philosophical terms should suffice. Ohhh dialectics, ohhhh dasein, how compelling.
I was just starting to get back into Studio Ghiblis films yesterday, and today one of my favourite philosophy channels that I thought would never cover this kind of anime makes a video on it. Feels surreal.
Wow, I must’ve just started to rewatch the berserker video when you reuploaded. I’ve been a long time fan, you’re work is stellar. Thank you for hours of engaging entertainment
I just finished the audio book "café of the existentialists" by Sarah bakewell and went to a miyazaki movie in the cinema 2 days ago. And 8 swear, on my way home I thought about all the similarities I felt existed between miyazaki and heidegger, but couldn't really pinpoint them beyond a few simple points and a certain "aesthetic of thinking". The more I thought abut it, the more I felt like Miyazaki movies are just visualized Heidegger philosophy. And today, only two days later, I find this video which is a perfect deep dive on the thing that was just a theory for me! It's amazing and thank you for this intelligent analysis.
Thank you for this. As the piano music starts near the end of the video I literally chocked up. Awesome analysis.
Excellent. Inspired. Clear and thoughtful presentation. Thank you for making this video.
thankful the reupload put this video on my feed. As with most discussions of technology I'm reminded of Elull's The Technological Society. Years after reading it its still one of the more impactful books for me. This video makes me want to read Heidigger as well; his terminology doesnt seem quite so daunting now
Out of all the youtbe videos I`ve seen through the years, this has to be one of my absolute favorites. Congratulations, and thank you!
I find this kind of hard to take seriously about 1/3 through because a windmill does operate on the currents of the wind. It's like they're romanticizing primitivism and a subsistence lifestyle. What he talks about being challenging versus working with unique qualities is so ridiculously subjective. What does he think metal workers do? It's like anything that is not made out of wood and clay is inherently characterized as Brutish when it's really just a difference of aesthetics and even level of efficiency as aesthetics.
The windmill bringing-forth fits so well with the themes of Naussicaa it's amazing, incredible video gave me new appreciation for the work.
Goddamn This video moved me. I feel a swelling in my chest at these insights, I loved every second of it. Going to go outside and appreciate creation.
Indulgence in nostalgia is a double-edged sword. Only with sustained interest could you create a great philosophy such as Heidegger's. And since interest depends on emotion, it's actually great if his nostalgia drove him
But my biggest problem with all-encompassing philosophies such as his - *especially* when it's about how people would live happier lives - is that they sound great, until you start to consider the fact people are different. Some people, such as me, really do not mind technology. Not every single aspect of my life needs to be infused with meaning. It honestly gets tiring when there's too much of it.
And then Nietzsche's quote starts to make even more sense. ...and to me, even Nietzsche makes this mistake!
Anyway, 'the fourfold', 'dwelling', 'calling-forth' and 'challenging-forth' are certainly wisdoms which I will incorporate in my being. Great video c:
Also these types of philosophers usually come from a more well to do background that hardly necessitated a day of hard manual labor. From their privileged perches they see fit to tell us how things should be. Of course they won't be doing any manual labor, they'll just think and our labor will support them in their ideal world. It's sad that the only experience of the real world these philosophers have is from books, and from there they conjure up these grand theories of how to live and how to structure society. It's like virgins giving out sex tips and advice based on their study of pornography. But they're fun to read if you don't take them too seriously.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 Oh? Is there really no part of Heidegger's work of which you do think it should be taken seriously?
@@captainzork6109Didn't Heidegger support the Nazis? It doesn't seem like his philosophy is a good guide for real life. I'd love to be educated if there's been some contribution to more positive things though.
@@mrcreosote3808 That may be true. But that was a huge mistake, as the Nazis didn't actually align with his philosophy at all. They disrespected nature by claiming their race is superior to others'. They are an egregious example of indulging in 'challenging-forth'. It's not his philosophy which was wrong there - it was him!
Anyway, for positive influences I'd look towards Spinoza as well as Nietzsche.
One thing I like about Spinoza, is that he thought learning about the world is divine. That you should be curious how the world and others affect you, and how you affect others. Especially that last bit is thought to be associated with great emotional intelligence
I like Nietzsche because he wanted his work to be written in understandable, yet colorful language, so that those gems of wisdom would not be hidden under a nearly impenetrable mass of borish text. And I truly do believe that knowledge and wisdom can be as treasure, to share with those who would find those particular treasures highly palatable. A wise man knows he could gain some from every person they meet, but knows he never has enough of it
..Sorry, I digressed. What I wanted to say is that Nietzsche talks about how to become one's own person. And that may be one more bit of wisdom which you would enjoy looking into?
soyboys are not people and one should not concern oneself if they like their shitty funko life eating bugs and living in the pod . Those are not people anymore, we should worry about real human beings not golems
I remember this video and I always loved it, wanted to come back to it but went crazy because I couldn’t find it! I’m so happy it’s back (and not a false memory)
Really wish you made the connections of Heidegger's nostalgia to Miyazaki's even more solid by talking about how Miyazaki created "The Wind Rises," which confusingly romanticizes the life of Jiro Horikoshi, the engineer responsible for the Japanese Zero fighter plane.
I absolutely adore CCK Phil...this comrade is one hard-working communistic hermeneut!!! Brilliant exposition and phenomenological critique!! Feels like you really brought this one forth, comrade---the video sent you where it was going and you thereby proceeded to *send it,* as the skateboarders say these days.
For the last 6 months I was wandering if I watched a video about Heidegger from Jonas, or I only made it up, since I couldn't find it anywhere. Now I can sleep well again. Thank you, great as always!
This is a very good essay. I think the most obvious critical question that comes up is a political one: Heidegger was a rightwing philosopher, indeed a fascist, while Miyazaki is usually seen as a leftwing artist. Whither cometh, then, their commonality? I think these political characterizations are true, yet the commonality remains.
These thinkers sit uneasily in their political roles. The essential characteristic of leftwing ideology is progressivism-- Miyazaki is progressive, yet uneasily so. He can recognize the progressive tendency and importance of Eboshi's ironworks, her nascent industrialism and capital-accumulation in surpassing the feudal order of lords and peasants, and still mourn the death of that order's magics and superstitions.
Miyazaki is centric at best, with his leftist tendencies vague and without teeth as he's gotten older. His own nostalgia for simpler times and his father led him to making a bizarre film about the aeronautical engineer who designed the Japanese Zero fighter plane, a weapon of the nationalist Japanese Empire of the early 20th century.
Thank you! Interesting analysis and presentation of Heidegger's work.
As a Christian and a theologian, I am compelled to say, that in Christianity God is deemed both transcendent and immanent.
Elements of nature, culture, relationships, everyday life can become sacred ("symbols", doors to transcendence, to the realm of spirit and meaning). The whole world has a potential to become a symbol (a door) to the Kingdom in Heaven. Yet, it is human, who is supposed to open that door. And that is in direct connection with bearing the cross...
I particularly love works of XX c. theologian of Russian Emigration, Alexander Schmemann, especially his work "For the life of the world".
And I was always fascinated with how it (indirectly) connects with phenomenology and Shintoism🙂
There's a very interesting essay I read recently called Technically Human: Kubrick's Monolith and Heidegger's Propriative Event
31:36 "and the Shinto themes even come up in the relatively light-hearted Ghibli movie Pom-Poko"
This clause is very backwards from my experience of Pom-Poko. I never actually watched it until I was 25 years old and had seen a lot of other Ghibli movies, but it seemed to me like the most Japanese (though maybe not clearly the most Shinto) of the Ghibli movies, and it also made me cry. (I guess I can't be sure the others didn't, because I was so much younger when I saw most of them.) The narration straight through most of the movie and the time of night I was watching it at probably contributed to the strange state it put me in.
I agree. Saying that Pom Poko is "light-hearted" (it has a lot of levity, but it's also one of the few Ghibli movies with ostensibly tragical endings) or that Shinto just "comes up" feels... wrong.
This is actually incredible. I've heard of Heidegger before in passing but really had no idea about his philosophy. Turns out I've developed in parallel many of the same observations and conclusions as he did. As you talked about his obscure jargon, I was often able to intuitively and accurately predict what it meant and how it fit in the overarching philosophy despite never having heard about any of it before. And... Princess Mononoke is my favorite film of all time. I first time I saw it as a little kid, its brtutality traumatized me at first, frankly. But it left an unshakeable impression on my mind, one that is still present over 20 years later. Everything about this movie, all the ideas it explores, resonate with me to such an extent it's almost uncanny.
To bring these two things together at this point in my life is really nothing short of synchronicity... I know it means very little, but you just gained a subscriber.
Heidegger’s philosophy is beautiful and completely justified. This feels to me like the wisdom that was made by Socrates and Plato. It sounds fluffy but makes complete sense, it can be seen and realized. And it feels meaningful, it feels like this can guide us. We must have some way to engage with the divine, to grapple with meaning in a POSITIVE way. If we can’t do this we will grow resentful of our mortality, the world and our bodies and finally turn on our humanity for the sake of utility. And then what do we have? Nothing.
Heidegger wanted to return to Classical Greek thought. He didn’t like the ethicists of the enlightenment etc
Seriously, the best video to date! I'm probably one of the few Christians that loves your content. I'm a Catholic via my Mexican heritage, specifically. Words cannot describe just how well put together this video was. This Heideggerian interpretation is nothing short of a master class.
I am Turkish. And I just responded like you. Great video ❤
I just washed this again and based on your comments at the end about taking the nostalgic ideas and using them for good, I wanted to push you toward Albert Borgmann’s two books. Technology and the Characters of Contemporary Life as well as Crossing the Postmodern Divide. He was a student of Heidegger‘s long ago, and really evolves the idea of the sacred through every day practices by presenting interesting ideas on how to use these thoughts to create a meaningful life and move forward.
Another video from CCK philosophy in less than a month let's gooo
Thank you for this. Your thoughts about both, miyazaki and Heidegger, are beautiful and elegant. Sehr schön.
Today’s the perfect time to watch a Heideggarian/Miyazaki crossover before I watch Miyazaki’s last movie tomorrow.
Congratulations on the video Jonas, if you can, make a video about Aleksandr Dugin's philosophical thinking, I would like to know your opinion about him.
Thank you for this video. This was a very interesting take and really well done.
Oh man
It only took like 4 years for it to get approved!1!
Great video as always! Just gonna drop this here since I think it could be interesting: Have you considered making one on the thought of Emanuele Severino? His critique of techno-science is quite similar to Heideggers' but different enough in its key points in a way that I think would make for a cool essay topic
Well, I should probably note that even farming is more technological than hunter-gathering.
Did you watch the video? This is addressed. It’s about our relationship to technology not simply technology bad
You know, if even this gets banned, I think you could change the topic a little bit and do something like "Heidegger and The Little Prince." The Little Prince is very much a Heideggerian.
This hits in an extremely personal way. Thank you for making this video, my life is, unironically, meaningfully improved by it.
This upload just came to the right time for me👏
incredible work thank you for your dedication
As a native german i adore your pronounciation :)
There was already all-changing technology present during his childhood and formative years. I believe he was comments reflect that, not bitter towards future generations or nostalgic for his past. The topics he’s discussing were already relevant to him as a child. His later life would have just seen an expansion of the same themes in society.
What about the cases when nature is actively hostile towards us? Many such cases: Blizzards, heatwaves, pandemics, earthquakes, famine, drought, etc. In these cases isn't it only reasonable to have a polemic attitude towards nature and gather resources with the most efficient ways available to us?
I guess it is, when you put mortals above nature. I think it could be argued that in these instances we shouldn't challenge forth but find ways to live in accordance with nature. Importantly, such things as pandemics extreme heatwaves and other things you mentioned are because of our extreme fight against the natural order of things. We wouldn't have to fight massive droughts If we didn't poison the earth and the sky through our technology.
@@MangaMarjandid the dinosaurs fight nature so a meteorite expelled them forever?
I think Heidegger was unintentionally trying to aim for a kind of Aristotle like golden mean between letting nature roll over us and completely taking a shit all over nature.
I don’t know what we’d call that virtue, but I can see the value of some sort of middle ground that we should at least strive for. Maybe we can call that virtue “stewardship”?
Yeah, this is why I can't take these kinds of anti-technologists seriously. Heidegger was also born into comfort and wealth, which he conveniently seems to gloss over in his philosophy. Perhaps if he'd had to actually work in his life, and fight to survive against nature, he'd see the benefits technology can offer.
Furthermore, technology can coexist with nature. We're just not there yet. Metals made of living cells, green cities, and fusion reactors are on the horizon. The only obstacle is time, and of course human greed.
But to argue we should just stop here and abandon technology is completely idiotic. Someone would eventually just start making technology again - as humans do - and conquer everyone else (as humans with advanced technology do). We'd be back where we started. What we need to do is keep advancing technology until we reach sustainable green energy, which will require a push back against greedy economic systems. It will be hard, but once we get there, humanity could enter a new golden age of repairing the planet.
I was writing about something related when this came up. Perfect timing.
Excellent video, fantastic discussion of Heidegger. I’m not as familiar with Miyazaki, but now I’m much more likely to watch his films.
You are very absolutely articulate. Thanks for the great work.
Coming back to rewatch this gem
I watch a lot of TH-cam and this video might be the best of 'say' last 500!
Thank you for this great content. When youtube-A.I. recommended it, I clicked on it with little expectation. My finger on 'back' button, ready to cancel anytime soon.
In opposition I found it quite appealing, well tailored and fascinating to be fair.
And now I am reading the comments of beautiful minded people..
heidegger was a raging antisemite and was even taking part in the famous german book burnings in freiburg during nazi germany
with the words: May these books light a path for a german revolution
hence his "traditionalism" blood and soil ideology was deeply enbedded in his philosophy
also his stance on death is resulting in a reasoning of dying for the fatherland for something more transcending than the mortal
in his black books traces of his antisemitism and essential racism is found after his nazi-past
Yessssss I was just reading Turning Point the other day and wondering about this connection. Thank you for this video!!
Thank you for such an insightful upload. At 30:05 roughly, author's name is Thomas Kasulis not Sakulis - minor misspelling.
Beautiful and relevant. Thank you for your work. ❤
I love your videos. One of the best channels ever ❤❤❤
This is so beautiful. Thank you so much
I just purchased your book! I had a question, though. At 14:33 you say that Heidegger's position is that Western philosophy is in a decline, an increasing forgetting of Being. Is this Being the same Being that you talk about in your book (as in Being vs. Becoming)?
At what point does "bringing forth" become "challenging forth"? because people could also frame a good chunk of industrialisation as being an example of "bringing forth" as well. I get the point being made, I was just wondering if these terms have a defined boundary or not.
You are enframing the conversation 🙂
I think its the difference in german. "Bringing forth" equals "hervorbringen", like uncovering.
"Challenging forth" means "herausfordern", like forcing to uncover. The key difference is the suffix "-fordern", which means demanding.
@@siddhartacrowley8759 thanks, that makes me understand a bit better.
This was great, thank you.
Hey, Im thinking of making a video on Miyazaki films as well but I am taking in the consideration of how strict the copyright system can be towards blocking my video. I noticed you edited the video so that it wouldn't get blocked or striked, could you explain to me how you did that so that I can as well? Thank you.
You’re making me fall in love with Philosophy all over again my university studies makes wanna quit this shit
This was a wonderful reflection, true alethia. The forgotten… unforgotten… unforgettable. Thank you. My being toward now forward.
The Heidegger stuff sounds idealism of the feudal mode of production that was in no way in harmony with nature. Pre industrial societies had no problem burning down forests for example if it helped them in some way
Like, I REALLY hope Heidegger never had his works published using moveable type. The nature of the printing press is to violently coerce the written word onto the page with the force of a horse and carriage at a rate so rapid and careless that no human could ever hope to even comprehend what's being "reproduced." The printed page is merely a reproduction. REAL text is written by a careful and considered hand for the intimate audience of whomever happens to come into possession of the document. To take something as sacred and profound as ideas and scatter them to all four corners of the wind, like a bull spraying it's seed, is to denigrate the very ideas contained within! The """Printed word""" cheapens the written so deeply that philosophy and ideas can scarcely be said to exist anymore! Don't even get me started on the nature digital text. Even letters themselves are abstracted into bits and bytes of code being no resemblance to the beautiful components and exponents of language they are intended to signify
See how dumb this is?
Mate these are fantastic keep it up
I was hoping at one point you would acknowledge the chobani yogurt commercial that was done in this ghibli style, and how in a rare moment of authenticity a wide amount of people admitted into wanting to believe in a future similar to it.
This reminds me a lot of how James C. Scott describes authoritarian high modernism in Seeing Like a State
Jung Archetypes also very very strong in Hayao. Albeit distort portrait of Plato trascendent nature of divinity, which it's too much to explain here, but I let you a key. Don't ever trust an Aristotelean teach you Plato, ever. I really loved this essay as much as I love Myazaki art.
I don't remember having watched this video before. It's really quite something. Lovely, cheers.
That last part is very prescient.
90% of the earthquakes, fires and floods after 2000 have been intenional for the ore (Thorium) extraction. Heidegger and Kaczinski were quiet smart understanding what Technology is despite of the general population.
@@kutay8421 , that’s nonsense. No, they are not intentional or created by lasers.
I don’t even know how you got your way to my comment. You don’t seem like a person who knows or have studied Heidegger.
@@RoxanneM- I am reading Heidegger. I didn't claim any 'laser intervention'. But I am sure todays' technology surpasseses the Kola Superdeep Borehole (1989) and Cannikin (1971) tests.
me, living in a city with a population of 15 million, discovering that Heidegger found Freiburg to be a discomfortingly big place: 🗿🗿🗿
Incredible video. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this magnificent conclusion. The longer the video went on the more problematic aspects in miyazakis and heideggers romantic nostalgic worldview got apparent to me and this conclusion was incredible because it handled this dichotomy of the valuable and really outdated (and politically problematic) parts so well