The Absolute King of BVR - Now With Lofting! | F-14 War Thunder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- When it comes to BVR combat, none can challenge the F-14 with its combination of versatile and strong radar, potent long range weapons and the largest quantities of them. And now the AIM-54 Phoenix got lofting as well... It's a combination made in heaven..
00:00 Intro
00:18 6 Phoenix Philip
00:58 AIM-54 Buffed
02:00 Lofting in Action
03:00 Designed for Bombers, not fighters
03:20 My opinion on Jet Bombers
04:00 Preferred Loadout
05:00 Switching Lock Type Mid-Lock
05:40 CW Guidance
06:15 Flight Performance
06:50 The Importance of Early Hits
07:35 AIM-9H
07:48 Should be 12.0
Outro composed by Lucas Ricciotti
Source: • Morning Stars - Summer...
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Its probably a controversial opinion, but I think heavy bombers should be added. In mainstream AB and RB matches, there could prehaps be a few ai bomber flights on the EC maps, much like the attacker flights. But then should also be in the tech tree. Although they should be limited to either sim matches, or a reworked version of heli PvE mode where bombers and strike aircraft are more viable for those wanting to get away from the very TDM like matches in normal AB and RB
That's fair. My point was more that they wouldn't work in typical air RB as player controlled vehicles, I would love to see them as AI for sure.
I really like the idea. But they could make a way so that people would escort you and get points for it
Air RB (mostly for top tier) just needs to be completely reworked anyway. More nuanced game play would allow for more verity of aircraft types to be effectively used.
the vulcan and the b52 would be so cool to see
Not in the current state of bomb points, map design, and ticket system. No it would not be fun, either for the bomber, or for people facing the bomber.
“The one area it’s lacking in is acceleration.” Gaijin took that personally
F-14B on its way!
For F-14 I run: 2 Pheonixes, 4 AIM-7s and 2 AIM-9s. Pheonixes are bit of a meme so just climb, fire them at enemy climbers if you get kills then great if not it's back to missile jousts with AIM-7s and use 9s on unsuspecting fellas or use them to force them to turn
I run 1 phoenix just for fun and 5 aim7s, but 6 aim7s would get me a better chance of winning on average
I run 4 phoenix and averages 1-2 kills per game, 2 sparrows, 2 sidewinders, accuracy by volume my friend.
@@StarTransformer1245 2 kills in the f14 is a bad game for me
That’s exactly what I do. Probably average 0.8 kills per game with the Phoenix. Not phenomenal, but it’s usually one of the other teams mig-29s and I think it makes a difference
Did anyone else notice the phoenix just passing by at 4:37?
warthunder is a horror game
I had to rewind to make sure I wasnt seeing things lol
@@THECAKEISTALKING I did the same
lmao i was there on the stream when u pulled off those kills with the aim-54, the reaction was priceless
I was not expecting that at all ahahaha
Watching this live was a experience, it was hilarious haha.
😁😁 That 4K was a massive bruh
I personally think that Gaijin should make the F14 12.3, along with the F16 and MiG-29.
Fair and valid, we need more decompression
Then give it 9Ls
Me: *is sad*
Also me: *sees Lee post*
My sadness: byebye
Awww 😎
Don't know if anyone else say this but at 4:38, he almost go slammed by a enemy missile.
You can only see it for a brief seconds but it zips by right under him.
It was a phoenix lmao, it didn’t even look like it was trying to pull up towards him, probably just another example of the phoenix being kind of dog water.
I’ve used lofting since the MLD came out it’s crazy how much it can make a difference
Back when it first came out you could manually loft them by aiming way above the target, and the missile would just take forever to turn back down towards them. That got me an 80km kill on thr large maps
I have actually taken up your tactic you said in a earlier video that the first aim54 is good for catching people off guard but the second one is way harder to dodge
I like how 4:37 you never even noticed the missile that passed under you lol
after the buff I finally got my first phoenix kill
Yoooooo!
joined the stream right before you got that 4 Phoenix kills it was awesome lmao. I was flabbergasted for a few minutes before making my first comment in the chat hahah
Ahahaha, it was pretty funny, I just had to include it
close call missile at 4:35
Cheeks clenched😁
Technically the F-14, even in War Thunder is a rate fighter, meaning it does a 2 circle fight well. It’s when you get too slow is when you’re in trouble. As any aircraft that’s great in a radius fight aka a one circle fight, you’re almost guaranteed to lose. Keep the speed up and keep in the rate fight and you will have a good chance to win an engagement.
my biggest gripe with the F-14 is the hot engines, Seems slightly easier to dodge heatseekers in the latest patch atleast.
Dude the user skin for the f14 from top gun 2 is SICK
My kill rate with my pheonixes went from 0 or 1 per match to and almost guaranteed 1
Love that Waltz of the Tornado song in the background
Banger
Great Vid =)
Appreciate you :)
I run the exact same configuration. 4x AIM-54A’s, 2 AIM-7F’s, and 2 AIM-9H’s. It’s a classic a very realistic munitions loadout the real F-14 used
4:35 holy fuck that missile *nearly* hit you, wtf that was close af xDD
addition of bot awacs will be cool in ARB
Good video.
Glad you enjoyed!
Opinions on the AMRAAM and contemporaries coming this year? Gripen C is confirmed and the AIM-54 lofting fix leads me to believe we'll be receiving other earlier ARH missiles such as AIM-120A/B, R-27EA, R-77, PL-12, and Python IV. Unsure if we'll see MICAs for the French and if we do they must be nerfed.
I think we'll be getting early AMRAAM and R-77 this year, still waaay too early for stuff like MICA at this point though.
@@GeneralLee2000 I'd agree. MICA only gets added if it's heavily nerfed. I'd expect AMRAAM-B at most. PL-12 could be trouble.
R-27EA never saw any service under any circumstances. I would be shocked if they added it. I hope they don't.
@@supersarge24 makes more sense then the R-77 as the first iteration of the R-77 was kinematically dogshit. R-27EA is much more similar to the AMRAAM kinematics wise.
and now we are getting F-14B :)
We just need reworked modes so all planes can be properly utilized. And reward system in AIR RB is also super inconsistent - If you don't want to be passive wus, or just get unlucky uptier where you just gonna get 3 people on your 6 without much to do about it, you beat 10 missiles while others watching them to deplete all ammo before they get to scoop freebies, and in 50% cases like this, friendly 9L from A10 will hit you, and you get exactly nothing for 10-15 minutes of dicking around.
4:36 bro is dodged a missile and didn't even see it.
Yeah I only saw it editing ahaha
FINALLY
And they're adding the F-14B, for reasons™
i thought you only had to climb to like 2000 meters, thats usually how high i flew before and i got kills for days
bro, I remember getting my first jet around the time danger zone dropped. holy shit the amount of times I've been killed by a phenix in that update is bullshit. I hatted that update
How are you cycling targets on tws without slaving radar?
The game needs Fox 3 aswell for Mirage 2000, F16 and Mig 29 !
1:36 Maverick does too now
I think they should add awaks to rb. Playable with no kills but u get decent money for intellegence when someone on your radar gets killed. Im not to the jets yet to know how radar already works for fighters. But you get some accurate radar. Then u got 1-2 awaks max that can be played per game first come first serve. They don’t show up in the sky with red names like ab. But they constantly show up on your data link radar or something. Some way to do it thats realistic and badass. It could be op so thats why i think it would be limited so theres no constamt awaks if the enemy is skilled enough to take them out. Also theres a tree for awaks so not everyone has the same one etc.
What's the climbing method for tue f14? What fuel load and climb angle? To fire off phoenixes early, I mean.
Usually I try to get above mach .85, and then angle up to 20 degrees. You'll slowly push closer to mach while you climb. I usually run 45 minutes personally
HI great video man. Just a quick question: how do you change "locked" target in tws mode. I saw that you didnt actually lock the target (full solid square) but it was still "dashed" and as soon as you fired, you changed target. Thanks man
It should be something like "select radar target" or "switch radar target". You press it and it cycles through available targets
@@GeneralLee2000 Thanks for the quick reply man. I'm gonna try it next time. :)
After this little buff i got kiled 2 games in a row by the 54
Do you have to keep the target detected on TWS radar screen until it hit the target?
If so when does you can safely look away the TWS tracking?
I mean when does the 54 itself is now self tracking its own target which you no longer require to track target on TWS?
Good question! You don't have to no, the missile starts guiding itself at about 18km or so. Amd for that at least you just gotta guess
can we get a keybinds tutorial on all this. been stugling so get it to wokr as well as this.
Lee I have a quick question for you. During this sale should I grind the Soviet tree, the f4j/f8u, or the f5e (mainly bc I’m good in the f5c) I’m quite unsure lol
Personally I would go F8U/F8E instead of the F-5E, though any are a good choice. Long term, Soviets are a good grind, the MiG-29 is excellent and they have a healthy future just like the American treee
@@GeneralLee2000 thanks, welp time to grind sl all day (I have them researched but not bought) but it should only take me a day or so, then I’m,a use the rest of my premium time to grind Russia (I also have to become the grinding god bc I only have a month and a week of premium and I can’t buy anymore rn ;-;
If you haven’t used the Tomcat, the F4J is a decent way to learn radar missiles.
@@hoanglongtran5895 I have the f4e, but I might go all the way down to the f4j depending on how much sl I grind in the f5c today
I've bought the F8E and F4J and former isn't that much of an improvement over amazing-since-downtier F8U, latter resides 24/7 in Mig29/F16 hell. And while I can see outline of greatness of Sparrows with Phantom, radar lets me down bit too reliably. Either players in average furball accidentally notch you, or PD refuses to lock anyone not head-on, while standard mode is prone to all the usual shenanigans.
Also stock experience in F4J is pain incarnate.
If they're gonna nerf the thrust to Mk47 levels they should at least also make it smokeless, like the Mk47 was designed for.
It'd sure as hell make it harder to dodge, since you wouldn't be able to see it unless they give it a permanent diamond OR give it the missile diamond while in pitbull range (since they actually fire off already active in WT, also I think they should do that for all Fox-3 missiles especially because almost all of them have smokeless motors).
Doesn't matter to me tho, I don't play anymore, thank fuck.
Also, still not convinced the 54 actually lofts. When you pointed out that example, you also fired the missile intentionally pointing your nose upwards, and then dropped it after. It kept around the same angle you had when it launched, it used to do exactly that. And I didn't really see it bend either, even looking at its trail. It just looked like it was lofting (I guess it was, just forced) because you were no longer at that same climb angle, so it drifted above your nose.
To truly test if it actually lofts, you'd need to fire on a very slow moving, large target as far away as possible, while having your nose level, not flight path level, nose level, and as slow as you can get, co-altitude with the target. This will make it so it HAS to loft if it wants ANY hope of hitting the target. Something like a PBY or BV-238 at like 20k feet and preferably around 75-100km away.
I can tell you 100 percent for certain it does loft against faraway targets, I've done testing as well. If you're in my discord I can show you too. :) The Mk 47 wasn't smokeless BTW, that was the Mk 47 Mod 1.
@@GeneralLee2000 I don't play anymore nor use discord much anymore so I'm not in it. But I'll take your word for it.
@@evangalinsky2499 Fair. Feel free to join if you ever feel like it, I appreciate seeing you in my comments either way!
I have a question for the pheonix, how do you know when it goes pitbull when in tws mode?
You just have to guess howbfar away it is, there's no actual indication. It goes active at about 18 km.
Whenever it’s close enough to the target
Dont let Seekerhead see you bring in phoenixes.
He gonna have an aneurysm.
He knows I do ahahaha, I was using them the other day with him when I was testing them after the buff.
And he didnt have a fit?
Damn maybe he has grown up.
Last time i checked he could not believe that i average 2 kills per match while bringing bombs in the f5c [his WT video about things you should not do.
@@remus907 lmao that video was so stupid. he should honestly take it down its so ignorant
its designed to climb so high then dive at mk6 on top of people. getting to loft is very effective.
"The F-14 has been buffed, what does that mean for you?"
An empty SL wallet
*cries in Soviet main*
Did they nerf the motor because they're introducing the AIM-54C with the "Bombcat" ?
Also nice to see lofting finally implemented in the game, can't wait for the 530D to have the capacity to loft too
Most likely not, the AIM-54C also didn't use the mk 60 in most cases. It used the Mk 47 mod 1, which was smokeless :)
@@GeneralLee2000 maybe they want to make them more different from each other, we'll see
When I am playing I run 4 aim 7fs 2 aim54s 2 aim9hs on small to medium maps, and on ec maps I run 4 phoenixs 2 aim7fs and 2 aim9hs
Still contemplating whether I should try this game. I love fighter jet games but on the other hand, this looks complicated af.
It took like 800 hours to get to the f14 and lots of money
DO NOT DO IT
Now just clarify for me. Doesnt switching from PD TRK to regular TRK make the missle more prone to go after chaff? I ask as i main France and boy do the Mirage F1C radar missles love chaff. For example the last kill you got in this vid, if that guy chaffed atleaset once would it have saved him ?
The missile has it's on on board PD radar it will not see Chaff. However, the F-14s radar in TRK mode will see chaff and guide the AIM-54 on it.
No, the missile seeker doesn't care as long as the target is being illuminated by enough radar energy.
Missile doesn't care about chaff if it's internal Radar is in PD mode.
Doesn't matter what your plane locks as long as there is moving target in lock cone, your missiles will go after that target.
Mirage F1 sucks for the reason that it doesn't have PD radar mode either it's missiles, so they get chaffed as easy as AIM-9C/R-3R do.
Nope, the missile is exactly ss prone to chaff in PD as it is in normal TRK. The reason your missiles in the Mirage F1C get eaten by chaff is because they don't have a CW seekerhead like the sparrow, they have a Pulse seekerhead which will eat chaff every time, even in PD. You can have the target locked still on your radar and the missile will eat the chaff.
@@theflyinggasmask it does care if it’s a pulse seeker and not a cw seeker
Aim 54: imma side climb
Pro tip: you can actually run 3 Sparrows and 3 Phoenixes.
We love custom loadouts!!!
No you can’t run 3 and 3. It wouldn’t let me do that and I tried multiple times.
@@gtmike916 You can, and I do. You just have to put a Phoenix and a Sparrow on the outermost pylon near the Sidwinders.
Yeah I got to see the buff in person when they first did it. Got hit side-aspect by a 54… I saw the lock, notched it and spammed literally all my chaff/flares which was like 30ish each. Still got hit directly from the side. I watched the damn thing come right from the left side of my screen and slam into the wing of my jet. Only time I’ve been more pissed off at gaijin is when their Gepards one shot headshot my pilot going Mach or higher.
I’m Aim54 are supposed to be easy to defeat. You’re supposed to be able to literally just notch it and it’s done. Yet notching AND 30 chaff did nothing?.. okay..
If you don’t maneuver then the missile will use the last information it got and will intercept you regardless, if you maneuver it will not maneuver with you if you had notched and chaffed it would’ve lost lock and no longer is tracking you, it was just tracking your last radar signal.
I find so many people don't know how to play the F-16. In a sustained turn it beats every top tear jet in the game, you just have to slow down to 600-700 kph. All the other jets bleed to much speed and energy and in the 16 you end up coming around the circle to their 6....and there is nothing they can do about it!
Is it still worth it to grind? Or should i jist go for the f14 b?
It's still good, but I would just get the F-14B
I would say the F-14 is the best top tier in the current meta, most kills in a average match are made with radar missiles, and you get 6 opportunities to do it. Sure the R-27ER puts the Aim7F to shame, but Mig29 can only carry 2 of them and the F-14 still outperforms a mig29 in a dogfight + better radar for situation awareness
the only weakspot in F-14 is: Radar.
pheonix is the only cheese way to get kills in sim
Can you do a tutorial on switching radar? Could use the help
Probably not a dedicated thing for that, although I made do a short. In the meantime all you have to do is press the button to switch lock types while you're already locked on
@General Lee ok might be something I need to fool with. Right now in the f 14 my radar looks like a pie shape on screen and its a pain to get a lock and change targets. Yours looks different and way easier to use.
@@buckwildlonghorn8843 check my radar tutorial!
F-14A should 100% stay at 11.7, has weaker flight performance than the f-16 and mig and a weaker radar and thrust than the yak. Only advantage it has is the aim54 but its more gimmicky than reliable kills. However some of the other jets you listed dont really deserve 11.7 and should probably be be dropped down to 11.3. Mirage 2k really didnt deserve the nerf to 11.7
I heard about the buff so I tried the tomcat again and fired 10 phoenixes in tws with no hits lol. I prefer fox 1s anyway
That's fair. Perhaps my Phoenixes were just blessed by the snail 😤
what's the command name to asign button for next target like that?
Switch Radar target AFAIK
@@GeneralLee2000 Thanks!
i just want a half-decent equivalent to russia's magical data-link, IOG-guided Fox 1. i am finding it increasingly hard to believe that even AIM-7Ms weren't equipped with atleast SOME sort of analogue to the technology- if we get to lofting AIM-7MHs that still cant handle losing lock for more than 3s im probably gonna some rip hairs out lmao
Its gaijin they have to artificially nerf everybody missiles just to make russia air to air missile good in comparison.
@@gotanon9659 source: trust me bro
3:31 maybe the map designer doesent have a place on the game. If they bothered on designing maps with objectives for bombers they would be useful.
How did you obtain 93km? I tried everything but it won't go over 37
Change Radar/IRST scope scale
it still doesn't loft nearly enough. Should be 30 degree's plus in most scenario's. It still just keeps itself level most of the time unless you're throwing it super long distance
This hard loft happens only at high altitudes, (around 10km and definitely not lower than 7km) and long distances (70km or more), while aiming at a target with high altitude. In wt we never get these altitudes, and for 30-40 km shots, when missile hits while still burning or shortly after, straight trajectory is just kinematically better
i think its not fair that the f-4s gets put in matches with the f-16 and mig-29
I actually believe that the Yak-141 is superior to the F-14. The Zhuk radar has about 100km range on TWS and the R-27ER is among the fastest missiles in game, not to mention FVIFFing and its overal agility. The only problem with it is its relatively low top speed and 4 missile slots (again, counteracted by the option to have 4 R27's).
Personally the energy retention and the ability to carry 6 AIM-7Fs puts the F-14 above the Yak IMO, although it is very good. I just wish jt was allowed to carry 4 R-27ERs, that would be nutty
@@GeneralLee2000 I forgot to mention that the zhuk radar has about an 85° horizontal himbal limit, meaning that you can hypothetically notch whilst keeping your radar on target. Also, the lack of energy retention is very much counteracted by the sheer, incomprehensible acceleration of the Yak.
Is that a Defyn Skill issue decal I see.
👀 Mayhaps
It still doesn’t loft as real life for targets further than 60 km it should climb to 80000 feet or 23 KM
Not looking forward to this when I reach top tier air.
0:44 Eh, dont get me wrong i like the F14 but, i have more fun in the F16 than anything eles.
R27er lofts
First thing I did was test with a buddy how far you could slap a bitch with these. Let's just say that Gaijin will have to push the max radar detection range (105km) out a little farther for me to find that point...
Yup! Technical admin on the forums said 130 km shots are feasible now
@@GeneralLee2000 High altitude 80km shots are actually scary now for standard RB (or even scarier for SB) cause someone may not see the launch. They'll be spending a few seconds figuring out if it's a plane or a missile cause we don't have a launch tone yet
@@Registered_Simp well and the thing is, the Phoenix wouldn't even give a tone on launch (provided you launch it in TWS of course). You would only get the tone once it goes active.
@@GeneralLee2000 Kinda what I mean. I'm just stating how it compounds the issue since from my own testing, the average point the Aim-54 goes active is around 7 seconds to impact. To have to take 3 seconds of that to figure out of it's a plane or not (or maybe not at all) is annoying as hell
R-27ER is lofting aswell
You can manually loft it yes, but it doesn't actually have the code to actively notch like the Phoenix
Why would anyone take Phoenix out? Such a useless weapon since everyone is keeping close to the ground
Just take 6 Sparrows
I respectfully disagree about best missle , the longer 40km lock range of Aim7m defeats R37ER every time
The lock range stat doesn't really mean anything, the ER can score hits much further out than 40 km because it guides off of datalink. I've scored hits in excess of 60km with it personally, you can actually see it on my last MiG-29 video as well :)
R27 is the best missile rn, sparrows aren’t long range bvr missiles, and the r27 is faster, aim120 would be better vs r27
cap, yak141 is the best BVR figher ingame
I'm at low tear. The game seems boring just lauching missiles at higher tears
as vezes é chato mesmo, principalmente quando você toma um míssil sem saber de onde
mas é legal a mistura de míssil e dogfight que o jogo proporciona em certos momentos
@@Neves_23 real né... Mas sempre vai ter cara com flare e outros lançando mísseis do espaço
Well that's bullshit it's the king of bvr, because it's the *Only One* that can bvr... R-27er can hit out to 30km on a good day and if the target is an AI plane..6:48 and *that* is exactly why it's a bullshit vehicle
I want the AIM-54 to have a ridiculous cost associated with them, so if you use one or two not to bad but if you spam 6 go back and spam another 6 you go broke
Already going broke isn't that hard
@@czester9991 eh, the idea was to screw those players who just dump 6 phoenixes RTB and do it again and rarely get kills
Then don't play top tier, it's pure cancer. I have shitload od jets and im not playing them
@@czester9991 I don't
moving up its br wont do anything
It really will. War Thunder has quantitative matchmaking, which means that in 11.0-12.0 games you can only have 4 12.0s... there's no limit on 11.7s. So a full team of F-14s with 4 F-16s can fight a full team of MiG-21s with 4 MiG-29s
Personally I prefer flying the F-16A ADF. The radar is much better and I’m a big fan of the flight model. Maybe I’m just flying the F-14 wrong, but I always seem to have horrible luck with it, despite me performing quite well with the F-4J
played a few games and got 0 phoenix kills yeah no fuck phoenixes are still all luck based and im gonna stick to aim7s
They're not luck based, but the 7F is definitely better for killing fighters so I won't fault you for it
the f16 is gross rn w 9Ls acting how they r
Im just gonna be annoying and say it, first
You were indeed first
Nope r27er is still better
Well yes, but you don't get 6 of them and the F-14s radar
this guy killed 4 people in 20 sec and say " it's not a how you win the game with 6 phoenix" what a joke
That was an unusual match 😅 that's not typically how that would go. But me showing all the matches I fired a bunch and got 1 or no hits isn't fun to watch.
just waiting for the F15 and AMRAAMs
F-15A can't carry AMRAAM BTW, so we probably won't get that combo just yet
F16 is much better than the f14 I have more aces in the f16 and I’ve take 2 f14s at the same time I honestly target f14s as they are dangerous for my team who doesn’t see them yet and that’s it imo
Its a advertisement video, from a paid "content creator". Dont belive anything he has to say, its pure, evil lies. Like all gayjin employee, he has one goal in mind, to rip you off.
I wonder who "pays" us 🤔
Gayjin. Very intresting how any "independent content creator" never adresses any issue or contraversy with this game...just praises to hell....like he never played it at once....
@Nagy Kiss lee doesnt praise it, me neither. There are content creators that constantly bitch on the game and get huge views from it, but im not into that. If you like pessimistic content more, go watch that, but i believe nobody is here to hear someone crying how bad gaijins decisions are for 5 minutes straight.
With all due respect, I've literally posted 3 rant videos already and I'm still a new CC. Refer to my "F-14 Problem" vid (which BTW is my most viewed video) "War Thunders Attacker Problem", and one of my VERY RECENT ones about Russian top tier...
You sound like you're on Eagle Dynamic's payroll.