These are some possible reasons why these zeroes keep getting hired. 1.They are cheap to hire 2.They get work done on time 3.They don't argue with the editors 4.The big two blacklisted some creators 5.Some creators got tired of the big two and started working on their own IPs.
I don’t know why but DC just seems determined to make every character and series that should be fun as bleak, miserable and depressing as possible. It’s not deep and powerful to keep deconstructing characters, it just feels edgy and pretentious at this point.
@snowbunnie1113 DC have been making their characters miserable for years so this is nothing new. According to Didio dc heroes are not allowed to have happy lives.
Somebody needs to do an expose on the hiring practices at the big two. How do they find all these talentless writers, most of whom seem to have zero interest in the characters they’re writing? I could be wrong, but my impression is that a lot of them come out of nowhere, and start at marvel and DC.
With few exceptions, stories being churned out of the mainstream comics industry are one of two things -- the writers inserting themselves into the story for first-draft fan fiction, or them asking "Wouldn't it be funny if...?" and creating entire story arc from one painfully unfunny/bad idea. None of them have even the most tenuous grasp of what makes a good, compelling story, and neither do the editors, apparently.
Back in the day, when I was taking a computer programming class, the motto was GIGO, Garbage In, Garbage Out. This is true of the comic book writers of the last ten years.
@@EvandroACruzOr manga, manhwa (Korean comics), European comics... You'd think American businessmen and women would LEARN from the EPIC FAILures that made American car companies PERMANENTLY LOSE market share to Asian and European competitors. The mistakes are always the same: overinvesting in the production of products the PAYING CUSTOMERS do not want, driving them to foreign competitors that WILL make what they want.
I spend around the same amount however I do have around 20 books from Marvel and DC combined, tho I get 90% the good stuff like Ultimate Spider-Man, Get Fury, Avengers Twilight, Symbiote Spider-Man 2099, Green Lantern, Superman, Action Comics, etc. And around 20 from Indies(Ghost Machine, Energon, Spawn, TMNT, etc.) Tho as a relatevely new reader it is insane that I have more Indy books than from the Big 2
DC just wanted to be marvel 2.0 and the editors don’t care about the characters and comics. They are focused on the tumblr fan fiction and the wrong audience. Marvel and DC knows that this is failing but they don’t want to admit defeat.
It is because a lot of new comic characters don't care about the histories of the characters. Arguably the same could be said for some of the things Garth Ennis and Morrison have wrote, but these new ones are worse writers in far greater quantities that cannot even reach the same highs. Writers for decades had to adhere strictly to editorial so they don't break characters or go in weird directions. Additionally, many comic writers were longtime fans of the books they would end up taking like Mark Waid for example. Nowadays Marvel and DC care more about movies and find the cheapest writers they can to sell a few books for pocket change. It is sad how little to no one in the industry within cares while many of the older comic creators are shocked and terrified the situation has become like this. You will constantly see older characters being torn up and made into worse people from these new writers.
God I love your honesty Wes Some people no doubt take it for negativity but what you’re saying is spot on Good writers are struggling with sales due to poor sales in general with the Industry as a whole so why do they continually put writers on books they know won’t make twelve issues 🤷♂️ It’s almost self sabotage.
I have a successful horror series available now called The Crying Boy and I can’t get an email response from any of the big publishers regarding submissions. It’s frustrating.
I usually agree with 85% of what you say I can’t agree about Cantwell! I thought he was the ONLy writer “the Mighty Marvel” had in the last 6-7 years! His Dr Doom was fun and different but ended at 10 issues😳 the only Iron 10:20 Man book I’ve bought monthly in 20+years was his run!
The good writers of comic books don't gravitate to Marvel or DC anymore other than for a paycheck. Its all temp-to-hire work, and they only stay when they are well overpaid for their work. The publishers have "summits" where they pre-determine a character story arc and expect the writers to simply add words to it. Then when fan feedback is negative, it becomes the writer taking all the flak. So these publishers branch out to writers who have made a name for themselves in some other genre (And don't know better). Fixing these publishers and practices will take creative EICs who have a vision for the future, and not someone stuck on the edicts of the past. Good luck with all that.
I think they hire those writers because they are the ones who will work cheap. Maybe not Rowell, who might demand more money based on her YA experience, but most of these people are probably willing to work for cheap hoping to get their big breakthrough series.
It's time for a comic book talent show Like 'America got Talent's.' We need comic creatures that can juggle, swollow swords and get fired out of cannons and create comics....at the same time!!!
As a DC reader, most of the books I’m buying are independent. Geiger, Red Coat, Rook: Exodus, Nottingham, Feral, the Spawn books, the GI Joe books, Ain’t No Grave, and I’m sure there are a couple others I’m forgetting. As far as DC and Marvel go, I really only pick up Batman, Detective, and Daredevil because I feel as though I have to to avoid gaps in my run. I’m reading Worlds Finest and Ultimate Spider-Man too.
Here's some names for them to put out good stories: Ryan Parrott, Kyle Higgins, Michael Moreci, Matt Kindt, Tony Fleecs, Eric Burnham, David Hazan... bring back Jeff Lemire, Rick Remender, or give more work to Jeremy Adams, PKJ, Robert Venditti or Peter Tomasi. There are ways to sell books.
Jeff Lemire is coming back to DC and has a few books he will announce next month. DC supposedly also went to Remember to write Batman but he rather focus on his indie work not that I can blame him. Kyle Higgins I remember doing some solid work at DC not long ago and seems a shame he was not given more work.
Usually when someone is bad at their jobs, they don't keep those jobs very long. It's mind-boggling how these lame, no talent "writers" keep getting chance after chance, despite never showing any actual talent or potential.
@@marcosvarsano6262 cos they're probably afraid that if they tell the person their work is trash or fire that person, that person will probably play the victim or complain about some form of discrimination or try to ruin their life.
Lol, two things not likely to happen in my lifetime: 1) pigs sprouting wings and flying 2) me buying a female superhero book written by a female with the name Rainbow. I mean, seriously. You can smell That product a mile away.
4:42 There’s Action Comics, Kneel Before Zod, Sinister Sons, MAWS, Batman: Gotham By Gaslight - The Kryptonian Age, Batman and Robin, The Boy Wonder, Green Arrow, World’s Finest, Shazam, Blue Beetle, JSA, and Birds of Prey.
Wes I think you’re actually going to lose it, there’s no way you can continue reading this trash week after week with no end in sight. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to still be reading comics now, I just don’t know how you guys keep doing it, there’s no way I could.
Marvel and DC comics are self-destructing. They have chosen this path, willingly. Only 1 or 2 top comic executives are going to come out of this, relatively unscathed.
I saw something earlier today I thought was funny and I wanted to share it. I was on the Party City website looking at Avengers party gear. There were some items featuring a quintet of Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Hulk, and Ugly Mohawk Carol Danvers. As I scrolled, I noticed something. Except for one or two examples, Carol Danvers did not have any stand-alone items; she was either part of the group or nowhere to be seen. Some of the male heroes and some heroines (Black Widow, Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider, and Spider-Girl- the last two of which aren’t even Avengers) had stand-alone stuff, but not her. There were also groups of Avengers without her, such as a quartet featuring Thor, Hulk, Cap, and Iron Man and another grouping that had The Wasp. I thought it was funny because it seemed to indicate that despite modern Marvel expecting everyone to think Carol Danvers is the best heroine ever and an essential part of the Avengers team, the people making the Party City merchandise realized, “Yeah, she’s not going to sell well…” I feel bad for other heroines, like Wasp and Black Widow, because they’re being pushed aside while Carol Danvers is put on a pedestal. I’m not interested in the all-female Avengers team because it’s pure pandering, but maybe they’ll actually remember there are other women who have been on the Avengers. Hopefully they’ll bring back old members and not go, “We got versions of Carol Danvers from other universes/dimensions!” 🤢
I rather liked Outsiders. It was something different. Of course I’m not too knowledgeable about Planetary so I’m not sure how close it was to the source material.
DC comics as a comic book publisher will never recover. The 'cult of personality ' that DC had cultivated is shattered. Even if DC published 5 star comics the fans have become desensitized. The future of comics is comic book criticism.
I would actually buy a Plastic Man comic quicker than nearly any other hero. Same with Red Tornado, some of the first DC comics I ever read had these characters so I thought they were popular and I really liked them. Then when I rarely ever say them again I always wanted comics with them.
@@davekolan862 Yea they were the characters I was interested in, the first collected story I bought was Justice League: Generation Lost, I absolutely loved that story, it was Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Fire & Ice as the heroes. Then I bought the Phantom Stranger comics that were out during the time of Trinity War that connected with it. It was all these characters that I found interesting.
Man, Marvel loves those ten issue mini series. To be fair, Runaways kind of was the original YA story with some Superhero elements but actually worked when it was under their original creator. I can't speak much on Rainbow Rowell's Runaways as I gave up around probably the second arc but it was always the kind of story that was more traditional YA and was originally popular with female audience even if they didn't read traditional superhero books. You are right about how DC and Marvel's current talent pool is so horribly lacking. Even the once solid work seems to be fading like Tom Taylor and Joshua Williams, who I give him credit for acknowledging this and stepping back. Mark Waid one did important work for DC in the past and recently did some do their better books but I wonder if his bad attitude will catch up with him. Even still he is not enough and I'm not surprised DC is courting back Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire and who knows who else. I hear you on Kyle Higgins he did some solid work for DC before and wonder why he hasn't been on anything I can recently remember.
Hey Wes I Think if Marvel and DC wants to save face then they should get rid of unnecessary fat that are Tini Howard and Tim Sheridan etc. bring back veterans to write comics with our favorite characters and get some new blood aka new writers who wants to make good comics give them like 5 or 6 issue miniseries to test the water you know to see of their up to the task. Aside from that , Wes I don’t know if you read about this but in addition of releasing Lobo Compendium that came out yesterday , DC announced LOBO CANCELLATION SPECIAL , a new Lobo one-shot by Kyle Starks and Kyle Hotz. Starks is mostly known for his work at Image comics , where he wrote such titles like Assasination Nation , Trigger Keaton , Rock Candy Mountain and Sexcastle. For him it’ll be his second project at DC following the success of his first DC title , Peacemaker tries hard. Kyle Hotz ? Nuff said. I just preordered that comic with a variant polybagged cover by Simon „THE BIZ” Bisley. Release date is september 25th of this year but I’ll just say this: LET’S FRAGGIN GO!!!
I'm aware that getting hired is mostly about who one knows. Nevertheless, I still can't fathom how "professionals" who cost companies so much money (e.g. DC and Marvel) remain employed.
so true. I've been into comics since 1976. I used to be excited to go to comic shops and flip out on covers and buy I good stack of reads! I almost wish I worked at Marvel. I think I could help. this is the worst era of Marvel.
The other day a friend of mine speculated that the bunch that had been writing Captain America thought they were going to be on the book a lot longer than they ended up being, like they were going to be in the same vein as Ed Brubaker or somebody. I agree with that theory and I’d like to add it seems entitled of them to think that they were going to have a long tenure just because they had some big shakeup and lore alteration (which will probably just be ignored anyway). Was that bad Star Wars book you mentioned the same one that had a rock as a pilot? For those asking, “Wait, what!?” there was an issue making the news a while back because they introduced a character who was supposedly a living rock. It didn’t have any human or animal characteristics; it was just a big rock sitting in the pilot’s seat and being spoken to by its humanoid friend. I don’t know if the rock ever said anything back, so it’s possible the humanoid had psychic abilities and she was just channeling them through the rock somehow. That would have been a more interesting premise, but we were supposed to believe that the rock was sentient and piloting the ship on its own. I think there was supposed to be some message of “Don’t make assumptions about what someone can do,” which is a good message, but a rock? Really? It didn’t help that some character was scolded for being skeptical a rock would pilot a spaceship. Doubting a rock can drive isn’t prejudice, it’s having a functioning brain! 🪨
Cause of the different shipping now..my LCS has not got any new marvel comics in a month i was going to read the new venom miniseries by Micheline and the Peter David Spiderman 2099 mini. Oh well
DC and Marvel need also to learn what the fans want. Marvel needs to give the Spider-Man fans MJ x Peter back and that Peter needs other happy moments. DC needs to learn that a majority of Batman fans don't like Damian, they don't like the Bat-Family as a concept, they prefer Talia's characterization pre Morrison and that Tim Drake should be Robin. Edit: There are really many videos with million views out there with the titles " Even Character Xy (Hellboy, or Batman) hates Damian.".
@@EvandroACruz Yeah, facts. I don't like any new members after Tim. Damian, Ghost-Maker, Harley Quinn and Clownhunter sucks. The Gotham War event is responsible for the Bat-Family hate amongst fans.
@@Dion1605x “…Clownhunter…” Oh, here we go! ~pops knuckles and adjusts neck~ I’ve been wanting to rag on that guy for a while! I’ve heard that Clownhunter’s ability is, “He has special equipment for combating clowns.” ~blinks~ I’m sorry, what? What is special equipment for fighting clowns? Does he carry a spray bottle of seltzer water to blast the cream pies out of their hands before they can throw them? Does he have special gloves to insulate against joy buzzers and protect against wind-up teeth? Does he have some kind of super sealant to trap them in their small cars? It would be one thing if they explained (like how descriptions of Batman & Robin describe their utility belts and descriptions of The Joker usually describe his arsenal of injurious gag weapons), but I never see a description. It’s like they think clowns are like vampires and have their own set of natural weaknesses that everyone knows about. The only weapon I’ve seen him carry is a baseball bat with a Batarang either stuck through it or taped to it, which is something that could hurt anybody, not just a clown. He doesn’t even have a visor over his face, so any clown with a squirting flower or spray bottle of seltzer water could get him in the eye. They took what might have been an interesting concept and turned it into one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in comics. I really don’t get Ghostmaker either (though he makes more sense than whatever Clownhunter is). Weren’t there other characters filling the same kind of role?
I may be repeating myself here, but I honestly believe that Robert Venditti and Jeremy Adams could achieve superstar status if given a chance on high profile books.
DC just needs to stop publishing for at least a few years. They’ve got Mark Waid (who openly hates fans) on Superman, Chip Zdarsky (who’s just given up trying to write a coherent story) on Batman and a miserable hack like Tom King (who just turns every character into an abusive father or a mommy wife) on Wonder Woman. None of the them (save maybe Waid) can tell an exciting or uplifting story. How can DC be a successful company when they put writers like this on their most famous characters?
Waid has decades of actually good comic work so there is at least that much going for him, like at least he is a fan of comics even if he is horrible to the other fans. Zdarsky people highballed to hell over Spider-Man Life Story and his Daredevil run and DC bought the hype too hard. Tom King though is just mind boggling. I guess because his early Batman sales and Mister Miracle but his flame fizzled out really fast but DC still gives him constant high level work. Tom King's position has no excuse, and Batman/Catwoman Wedding Fiasco and Heroes in Crisis should have already taught DC their lesson.
Fantastic fantastic analysis! well said Wes! and that Ourisders comic is crazy how you Mess up a book and you got a downgraded Roger Cruz in it? he should of been used to the max !
The YA genre and the superhero genre do not mix well. I would say the 2 genres do not mix at all. Not everything translates well to comics: the YA-superhero "mashup" is proving this, over and over again.
Wes mentions Ryan Parrot as a good creator. I've only read his run on Mighty Morphin Power Rangers and I thought it was pretty bad. What would be recommended reading to show his talents?
This is one reason why losing CHARLTON comics (long ago) has been a disaster for the comic book industry: no place for people with storytelling talent to hone their skills.
You know what, I actually liked Rowell's She-hulk run. The cover art alone by Jen Bartel is worth the pull. Is it great? Heck no. It's more like a Rom Com than a superhero comic but it is relatively light and relatively light on over the top (club you like you're a baby seal) DEI. Now, I'm not a fan of She-Hulk palling around with supervillains like they're just two sides of opposing sports teams having a beer and hanging out in the off season, but it's not the worse thing I've read recently. If the She-Hulk TV series had had more Rainbow Rowell and less Jessica Gao, they could have put the character over in a snap. People liked She-Hulk and they had to go out of there way to make her as disagreeable as possible. This cancellation is unfortunate. They've killed the golden goose and even mid runs are tanking.
I actually enjoy The Outsiders (I’m sorry) it’s fluff single issue stories, but I read it for what it is and don’t mind. DC should have taken EVS up on his Plastic Man ideas. Alas I can only imagine how great that would have looked.
Why spend the money to hire authors away from the YA novels, only to put them on superhero comics? Just take the extra few steps to revive Epic or some other imprint, and let the YA writers write YA stories! Give 'em 8 to 12 issues to write a complete story, and then get the author to promote the heck out of the story once it's released as a trade paperback. The project would still probably fail, but at least they wouldn't be angering their traditional fans/ruining their legacy characters along the way...
I think that is very hard to do a successful She-Hulk comic after Jason Aaron ruined the character in your shitty Avengers run. Outsiders i don't read but I know that it's a such desrespect with Planetary and the original Wildstorm universe.And I don't know how Tini Howard manage to get a new title yet, she's awful. The modern great writers don't will work in DC or Marvel anymore because indie books are more profitable for them. The talentess hacks writers are all the remain to the Big 2 in nowadays.
Auque viejo seamos sinceros estas empresas son el diablo ya que le robaron y estafaron han muchos escritores,sin olvidar que hicieron "trucos" para ser un asqueroso monopolio llamalo karma si lo es una gran desgraciada y lo vienen a buscar
They crammed so much Woke in their stories to get the "attaboys" and the eyes of Hollywood. Get a movie and transition into screenwriter... Leaving the comicbook industry a smoldering crater in their wake.
I know you guys have issues with Sy Spurrier but Hellblazer is cruising along nicely under the radar. I understand DC even extended this current run due to solid sales.
Si Spurrier is a good writer as long as it's for characters he created from the ground up. The second he gets his hands on ones he didn't create, he breaks them in ways beyond repair and then complains online about the fans legitimate criticism of what he put on paper.
Creó es el propio dv que no sabe , sy spurrier le va mejor en la magia al igual que ram v y dan watters son bueno pero en la parte magica y eso ta bien
Thanks for the comments! I am not super familiar with Sy, but l like what he is doing on HB. I have heard that he can be trouble on the wrong title, but that holds for anyone. These editors don't seem to be doing their job in terms of matching talent with the right characters.
Why isn't She-Hulk the focus of attention on the COVER of 'The Sensational She-Hulk' Issue 10, i.e., HER OWN BOOK? The artist dispersed my attention to the many colorful characters crowding the cover, and I'm certain the writer DID THE SAME in the story. Have they learned NOTHING from the GOOD stories they read?
Looks like Doctor Strange is getting cancelled after Blood Hunt. Other than FF, Marvel has nothing for me. More than happy to spend my dollars at Ghost Machine and Skybound.
Great. They finally cancelled She-Hulk. She doesn't have to suffer through that garbage writing anymore. They rebooted She-Hulk. To try to trick people. Sensational was the best run. Minus the crap issues near the end by other writers. And that was only because of John Byrne. You don't have him, you got nothing. Either you get him back. Or you find writers that KNOW the character. Not this garbage nonsense.
Perhaps I should just read indie comics until the big two get there act together. I've said it once and I'll say it again it is not hard to write good guys versus bad guys stories. Just have supes stop a villain or the jla face a intergalactic threat. It's not hard.
I think you have to let creative people take chances and spread their wings. Yes. Sometimes it fails. Talent is a mysterious thing, but when you find it fly and let it take you on that creative journey, and everything works together, all of a sudden you are Goerge Lucas. Always bet on great talent because it is a gift of nature. It came from someplace else and doesn't grow on trees.
Well when writers keep bringing their agenda to characters who differ from the characters make it difficult to read .... When you create fan fiction doesn't make a writer.....
I met someone who said instead of trying to find a good washing machine, he’ll get a cheap one, use it for a few years until it breaks down, and then buy another cheap one. Whether that’s a good strategy for large home appliances or not, it seems to be the same strategy these companies are using for writers and series. Get cheap ones, run them as far as they’ll go, and repeat.
CB & Jim Lee have checked out! In my store Indy outsells 99% of Marvel. 85% of DC. There is more quality. Gatchiman. Johnny Quest. Conan. Thundercats. Space Ghost. MMPR. TMNT. All Red Coat, Rook, Geiger. Energonverse. The Feral/Stray Dogs people. It's much better product
Wes, do you think Marvel and DC are destroying the books and heroes on purpose by keeping these garbage writers on the books even month after month of bad sales? It seems like it. I have my business and if I have an employee who isn’t selling month after month, I move him around twice a year and he’s still not selling. There’s no way in hell I’m gonna keep losing money by keeping him. I don’t care how cheap he is as far as paying him
I'm selling a load of my collection now as I have given up on collecting comics now. I'm keeping my trades and only picking up classic runs in trades now. Modern marvel and DC have destroyed all there comics Ill not be going back Peace
Maybe today's writers are a reflection of their generation? Shallow personalities defined by a lack of depth in their personal lives and friendships. Writers from the 70's, 80's, and 90's, at least, had to bang out a career in the minors - doing fill-in issues and apprentice duties to an editor or more senior writer. Today, writers go from fanfic and internet blogging to full-fledged writing on a flagship character.
This is what happens when you prioritize hiring woke writers over hiring good writers. All that matters nowadays is how left of center you are in your politics, not your talent.
surprised you don’t like Doctor Aphra. I haven’t read it but other TH-camrs are recommending it. Side question Wes, what does your omnibus collection look like?
Marvel big main characters line sucks.iron man.cap. fantastic Force x-men. ASM. Thor.All suck.they should be selling 100g + but only probably sale less than 15,000
The only Marvel books that are remotely enjoyable are Dr Strange, Fantastic Four, Hulk and all the reprints. Everything else including Star Wars in terrible. I know this would not be profitable, but Marvel needs to take a break from new books for 6 months, and do a back to basics re-launch. One spider book, one X book, etc.
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These are some possible reasons why these zeroes keep getting hired.
1.They are cheap to hire
2.They get work done on time
3.They don't argue with the editors
4.The big two blacklisted some creators
5.Some creators got tired of the big two and started working on their own IPs.
There's a reason there's so few known talented writers working for Marvel and DC right now, they chased them off.
It’s all nepotism babies and friends hiring friends over at the “big two”. All the old talent has been chased out and no new talent is allowed in.
It's not about talent, it's about who will work cheap. And so you get what you pay for.
Exactly. If you’re a talented writer, how can you justify working for them if they aren’t going to pay well?
@@jeffhabib6673similar to how companies no longer advertise in comic books.
Top down. They need to start with replacing the editors.
It Will happen. Soon.
I've dropped virtually every comic and at one point I had damn near 60-70 titles on my pull list. I'm going back to my loves of 90s DC and Valiant
Fix the editors first. Then hire the talent.
Why the hell do we need a badly written Plastic Man story. I want a fun story to be told and not something like Plastic Man getting old and dying.
Total agreement.
I don’t know why but DC just seems determined to make every character and series that should be fun as bleak, miserable and depressing as possible. It’s not deep and powerful to keep deconstructing characters, it just feels edgy and pretentious at this point.
@@snowbunnie1113 I really hate characters constantly being deconstructed.
@snowbunnie1113 DC have been making their characters miserable for years so this is nothing new. According to Didio dc heroes are not allowed to have happy lives.
@@zemox2534I know but why? It’s not like those stories sell well, certainly not anymore.
Somebody needs to do an expose on the hiring practices at the big two. How do they find all these talentless writers, most of whom seem to have zero interest in the characters they’re writing? I could be wrong, but my impression is that a lot of them come out of nowhere, and start at marvel and DC.
I imagine they grab them from the nearest starbucks
With few exceptions, stories being churned out of the mainstream comics industry are one of two things -- the writers inserting themselves into the story for first-draft fan fiction, or them asking "Wouldn't it be funny if...?" and creating entire story arc from one painfully unfunny/bad idea. None of them have even the most tenuous grasp of what makes a good, compelling story, and neither do the editors, apparently.
Putting on your resume that youre a sex worker or of a certain persuasion seems to be the key to being hired as a 'writer' now.
Back in the day, when I was taking a computer programming class, the motto was GIGO, Garbage In, Garbage Out. This is true of the comic book writers of the last ten years.
I spend $50 a week on comics. None of it goes to DC or Marvel
Indie comics?
@@EvandroACruzOr manga, manhwa (Korean comics), European comics...
You'd think American businessmen and women would LEARN from the EPIC FAILures that made American car companies PERMANENTLY LOSE market share to Asian and European competitors. The mistakes are always the same: overinvesting in the production of products the PAYING CUSTOMERS do not want, driving them to foreign competitors that WILL make what they want.
Yup....Same.16-18 books...Not one has DC or Marvel on the cover.
I spend around the same amount however I do have around 20 books from Marvel and DC combined, tho I get 90% the good stuff like Ultimate Spider-Man, Get Fury, Avengers Twilight, Symbiote Spider-Man 2099, Green Lantern, Superman, Action Comics, etc.
And around 20 from Indies(Ghost Machine, Energon, Spawn, TMNT, etc.)
Tho as a relatevely new reader it is insane that I have more Indy books than from the Big 2
@@atigerforever1can you make some recommendations among your regular titles? I'm looking to read some independents but don't which ate good.
DC just wanted to be marvel 2.0 and the editors don’t care about the characters and comics. They are focused on the tumblr fan fiction and the wrong audience. Marvel and DC knows that this is failing but they don’t want to admit defeat.
It is because a lot of new comic characters don't care about the histories of the characters. Arguably the same could be said for some of the things Garth Ennis and Morrison have wrote, but these new ones are worse writers in far greater quantities that cannot even reach the same highs.
Writers for decades had to adhere strictly to editorial so they don't break characters or go in weird directions. Additionally, many comic writers were longtime fans of the books they would end up taking like Mark Waid for example. Nowadays Marvel and DC care more about movies and find the cheapest writers they can to sell a few books for pocket change.
It is sad how little to no one in the industry within cares while many of the older comic creators are shocked and terrified the situation has become like this. You will constantly see older characters being torn up and made into worse people from these new writers.
God I love your honesty Wes
Some people no doubt take it for negativity but what you’re saying is spot on
Good writers are struggling with sales due to poor sales in general with the Industry as a whole so why do they continually put writers on books they know won’t make twelve issues 🤷♂️
It’s almost self sabotage.
I have a successful horror series available now called The Crying Boy and I can’t get an email response from any of the big publishers regarding submissions. It’s frustrating.
I usually agree with 85% of what you say I can’t agree about Cantwell! I thought he was the ONLy writer “the Mighty Marvel” had in the last 6-7 years! His Dr Doom was fun and different but ended at 10 issues😳 the only Iron 10:20 Man book I’ve bought monthly in 20+years was his run!
i thought his Doom was garbage, and i've loved the character since the late 80's.
Giving them a Z rating is very generously kind.
The good writers of comic books don't gravitate to Marvel or DC anymore other than for a paycheck. Its all temp-to-hire work, and they only stay when they are well overpaid for their work. The publishers have "summits" where they pre-determine a character story arc and expect the writers to simply add words to it. Then when fan feedback is negative, it becomes the writer taking all the flak. So these publishers branch out to writers who have made a name for themselves in some other genre (And don't know better). Fixing these publishers and practices will take creative EICs who have a vision for the future, and not someone stuck on the edicts of the past. Good luck with all that.
I think they hire those writers because they are the ones who will work cheap. Maybe not Rowell, who might demand more money based on her YA experience, but most of these people are probably willing to work for cheap hoping to get their big breakthrough series.
"Do you have a GOOD female writer?"
Rippaverse: We have two: Jen and Sylvia Soska.
"We said GOOD female writers..."
Rippaverse: uh...
@ccateni28 I really enjoyed Yaira #1. Haven't read anything else they wrote but I thought that was a solid story.
@@shj2783 The Soskas also wrote Black Widow: No Restraints Play back in 2019 - pretty good book, and brutal too.
Poor writing talent is one thing and higher prices are another
It's time for a comic book talent show
Like 'America got Talent's.'
We need comic creatures that can juggle, swollow swords and get fired out of cannons and create comics....at the same time!!!
As a DC reader, most of the books I’m buying are independent. Geiger, Red Coat, Rook: Exodus, Nottingham, Feral, the Spawn books, the GI Joe books, Ain’t No Grave, and I’m sure there are a couple others I’m forgetting. As far as DC and Marvel go, I really only pick up Batman, Detective, and Daredevil because I feel as though I have to to avoid gaps in my run. I’m reading Worlds Finest and Ultimate Spider-Man too.
Here's some names for them to put out good stories: Ryan Parrott, Kyle Higgins, Michael Moreci, Matt Kindt, Tony Fleecs, Eric Burnham, David Hazan... bring back Jeff Lemire, Rick Remender, or give more work to Jeremy Adams, PKJ, Robert Venditti or Peter Tomasi. There are ways to sell books.
Jeff Lemire is coming back to DC and has a few books he will announce next month. DC supposedly also went to Remember to write Batman but he rather focus on his indie work not that I can blame him.
Kyle Higgins I remember doing some solid work at DC not long ago and seems a shame he was not given more work.
Usually when someone is bad at their jobs, they don't keep those jobs very long. It's mind-boggling how these lame, no talent "writers" keep getting chance after chance, despite never showing any actual talent or potential.
these editors are too scared to tell these writers that their work is trash
Why? Isn't it part of their job?
@@marcosvarsano6262 cos they're probably afraid that if they tell the person their work is trash or fire that person, that person will probably play the victim or complain about some form of discrimination or try to ruin their life.
I'm down to three marvel titles on my pull lists. Although I am considering making it two titles. 😢
Lol, two things not likely to happen in my lifetime:
1) pigs sprouting wings and flying
2) me buying a female superhero book written by a female with the name Rainbow. I mean, seriously. You can smell
That product a mile away.
4:42 There’s Action Comics, Kneel Before Zod, Sinister Sons, MAWS, Batman: Gotham By Gaslight - The Kryptonian Age, Batman and Robin, The Boy Wonder, Green Arrow, World’s Finest, Shazam, Blue Beetle, JSA, and Birds of Prey.
Modern dc makes me miss new 52. Atleast back then i had fun
Wes I think you’re actually going to lose it, there’s no way you can continue reading this trash week after week with no end in sight. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to still be reading comics now, I just don’t know how you guys keep doing it, there’s no way I could.
Marvel and DC comics are self-destructing. They have chosen this path, willingly. Only 1 or 2 top comic executives are going to come out of this, relatively unscathed.
I saw something earlier today I thought was funny and I wanted to share it. I was on the Party City website looking at Avengers party gear. There were some items featuring a quintet of Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Hulk, and Ugly Mohawk Carol Danvers. As I scrolled, I noticed something. Except for one or two examples, Carol Danvers did not have any stand-alone items; she was either part of the group or nowhere to be seen. Some of the male heroes and some heroines (Black Widow, Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider, and Spider-Girl- the last two of which aren’t even Avengers) had stand-alone stuff, but not her. There were also groups of Avengers without her, such as a quartet featuring Thor, Hulk, Cap, and Iron Man and another grouping that had The Wasp. I thought it was funny because it seemed to indicate that despite modern Marvel expecting everyone to think Carol Danvers is the best heroine ever and an essential part of the Avengers team, the people making the Party City merchandise realized, “Yeah, she’s not going to sell well…”
I feel bad for other heroines, like Wasp and Black Widow, because they’re being pushed aside while Carol Danvers is put on a pedestal. I’m not interested in the all-female Avengers team because it’s pure pandering, but maybe they’ll actually remember there are other women who have been on the Avengers. Hopefully they’ll bring back old members and not go, “We got versions of Carol Danvers from other universes/dimensions!” 🤢
I rather liked Outsiders. It was something different. Of course I’m not too knowledgeable about Planetary so I’m not sure how close it was to the source material.
DC comics as a comic book publisher will never recover. The 'cult of personality ' that DC had cultivated is shattered. Even if DC published 5 star comics the fans have become desensitized. The future of comics is comic book criticism.
I would actually buy a Plastic Man comic quicker than nearly any other hero. Same with Red Tornado, some of the first DC comics I ever read had these characters so I thought they were popular and I really liked them. Then when I rarely ever say them again I always wanted comics with them.
I'd personally like more Booster Gold, Spectre, Phantom Stranger, the oddball DC heroes, but they practically don't exist anymore
@@davekolan862 Yea they were the characters I was interested in, the first collected story I bought was Justice League: Generation Lost, I absolutely loved that story, it was Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Fire & Ice as the heroes. Then I bought the Phantom Stranger comics that were out during the time of Trinity War that connected with it.
It was all these characters that I found interesting.
Green Lantern War Journal is ending at issue 12.
Batman Caped Crusader trailer is out. Looks good.
Ed brubarker es lo mejor
I seriously believe Marvel and Dc went to a party together and both got high and took stupid pills together
Man, Marvel loves those ten issue mini series.
To be fair, Runaways kind of was the original YA story with some Superhero elements but actually worked when it was under their original creator. I can't speak much on Rainbow Rowell's Runaways as I gave up around probably the second arc but it was always the kind of story that was more traditional YA and was originally popular with female audience even if they didn't read traditional superhero books.
You are right about how DC and Marvel's current talent pool is so horribly lacking. Even the once solid work seems to be fading like Tom Taylor and Joshua Williams, who I give him credit for acknowledging this and stepping back. Mark Waid one did important work for DC in the past and recently did some do their better books but I wonder if his bad attitude will catch up with him. Even still he is not enough and I'm not surprised DC is courting back Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire and who knows who else. I hear you on Kyle Higgins he did some solid work for DC before and wonder why he hasn't been on anything I can recently remember.
Chances are that Plastic Man mini-series will be cancelled before #2 drops.
3:40 Calling it now - one year after Scott Snyder begins the Absolute Universe, DC will replace him with Jordan White and crew.
😄
It would be ironic if the parade of hacks that got into the industry through Scott Snyder’s DC new talent showcase ended up kicking him out.
Hey Wes I Think if Marvel and DC wants to save face then they should get rid of unnecessary fat that are Tini Howard and Tim Sheridan etc. bring back veterans to write comics with our favorite characters and get some new blood aka new writers who wants to make good comics give them like 5 or 6 issue miniseries to test the water you know to see of their up to the task.
Aside from that , Wes I don’t know if you read about this but in addition of releasing Lobo Compendium that came out yesterday , DC announced LOBO CANCELLATION SPECIAL , a new Lobo one-shot by Kyle Starks and Kyle Hotz.
Starks is mostly known for his work at Image comics , where he wrote such titles like Assasination Nation , Trigger Keaton , Rock Candy Mountain and Sexcastle.
For him it’ll be his second project at DC following the success of his first DC title , Peacemaker tries hard.
Kyle Hotz ? Nuff said.
I just preordered that comic with a variant polybagged cover by Simon „THE BIZ” Bisley.
Release date is september 25th of this year but I’ll just say this: LET’S FRAGGIN GO!!!
I'm aware that getting hired is mostly about who one knows. Nevertheless, I still can't fathom how "professionals" who cost companies so much money (e.g. DC and Marvel) remain employed.
Dude, you need to be a talent manager at Marvel or DC.
Image comic is top dog right now.
Wes embodied the voice & rage of the readership in this video. Bravo Wes.
so true. I've been into comics since 1976. I used to be excited to go to comic shops and flip out on covers and buy I good stack of reads! I almost wish I worked at Marvel. I think I could help. this is the worst era of Marvel.
The other day a friend of mine speculated that the bunch that had been writing Captain America thought they were going to be on the book a lot longer than they ended up being, like they were going to be in the same vein as Ed Brubaker or somebody. I agree with that theory and I’d like to add it seems entitled of them to think that they were going to have a long tenure just because they had some big shakeup and lore alteration (which will probably just be ignored anyway).
Was that bad Star Wars book you mentioned the same one that had a rock as a pilot? For those asking, “Wait, what!?” there was an issue making the news a while back because they introduced a character who was supposedly a living rock. It didn’t have any human or animal characteristics; it was just a big rock sitting in the pilot’s seat and being spoken to by its humanoid friend. I don’t know if the rock ever said anything back, so it’s possible the humanoid had psychic abilities and she was just channeling them through the rock somehow. That would have been a more interesting premise, but we were supposed to believe that the rock was sentient and piloting the ship on its own. I think there was supposed to be some message of “Don’t make assumptions about what someone can do,” which is a good message, but a rock? Really? It didn’t help that some character was scolded for being skeptical a rock would pilot a spaceship. Doubting a rock can drive isn’t prejudice, it’s having a functioning brain! 🪨
Cause of the different shipping now..my LCS has not got any new marvel comics in a month i was going to read the new venom miniseries by Micheline and the Peter David Spiderman 2099 mini. Oh well
What else is there worth reading? I think Shazam is still decent (on its way to good) despite Mark Waid's departure.
DC and Marvel need also to learn what the fans want. Marvel needs to give the Spider-Man fans MJ x Peter back and that Peter needs other happy moments. DC needs to learn that a majority of Batman fans don't like Damian, they don't like the Bat-Family as a concept, they prefer Talia's characterization pre Morrison and that Tim Drake should be Robin.
Edit: There are really many videos with million views out there with the titles " Even Character Xy (Hellboy, or Batman) hates Damian.".
I hate Damian but I love Batfamily like a concept.
@@EvandroACruz Yeah, I think it's alright, maybe a bit overblown, but many fans want Batman be a loner.
@@Dion1605x The problem is he never was a loner Robini always been in your side since 1940.
@@EvandroACruz Yeah, facts. I don't like any new members after Tim. Damian, Ghost-Maker, Harley Quinn and Clownhunter sucks.
The Gotham War event is responsible for the Bat-Family hate amongst fans.
@@Dion1605x “…Clownhunter…” Oh, here we go! ~pops knuckles and adjusts neck~ I’ve been wanting to rag on that guy for a while!
I’ve heard that Clownhunter’s ability is, “He has special equipment for combating clowns.” ~blinks~ I’m sorry, what? What is special equipment for fighting clowns? Does he carry a spray bottle of seltzer water to blast the cream pies out of their hands before they can throw them? Does he have special gloves to insulate against joy buzzers and protect against wind-up teeth? Does he have some kind of super sealant to trap them in their small cars? It would be one thing if they explained (like how descriptions of Batman & Robin describe their utility belts and descriptions of The Joker usually describe his arsenal of injurious gag weapons), but I never see a description. It’s like they think clowns are like vampires and have their own set of natural weaknesses that everyone knows about. The only weapon I’ve seen him carry is a baseball bat with a Batarang either stuck through it or taped to it, which is something that could hurt anybody, not just a clown. He doesn’t even have a visor over his face, so any clown with a squirting flower or spray bottle of seltzer water could get him in the eye. They took what might have been an interesting concept and turned it into one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in comics.
I really don’t get Ghostmaker either (though he makes more sense than whatever Clownhunter is). Weren’t there other characters filling the same kind of role?
Awesome work mate
I may be repeating myself here, but I honestly believe that Robert Venditti and Jeremy Adams could achieve superstar status if given a chance on high profile books.
I cant believe they rebooted Sensational She-Hulk
I think you have to consider most good writers just don’t wanna do comics anymore. Why? Pay most likely is a big reason.
Since I gave up Marvel and DC I don’t worry who they put on this characters anymore. It’s better for my blood pressure.
DC just needs to stop publishing for at least a few years. They’ve got Mark Waid (who openly hates fans) on Superman, Chip Zdarsky (who’s just given up trying to write a coherent story) on Batman and a miserable hack like Tom King (who just turns every character into an abusive father or a mommy wife) on Wonder Woman.
None of the them (save maybe Waid) can tell an exciting or uplifting story. How can DC be a successful company when they put writers like this on their most famous characters?
Waid has decades of actually good comic work so there is at least that much going for him, like at least he is a fan of comics even if he is horrible to the other fans. Zdarsky people highballed to hell over Spider-Man Life Story and his Daredevil run and DC bought the hype too hard.
Tom King though is just mind boggling. I guess because his early Batman sales and Mister Miracle but his flame fizzled out really fast but DC still gives him constant high level work. Tom King's position has no excuse, and Batman/Catwoman Wedding Fiasco and Heroes in Crisis should have already taught DC their lesson.
I loved Chip's run on Daredevil; I don't know what the hell happened to him
Fantastic fantastic analysis! well said Wes! and that Ourisders comic is crazy how you Mess up a book and you got a downgraded Roger Cruz in it? he should of been used to the max !
The YA genre and the superhero genre do not mix well. I would say the 2 genres do not mix at all. Not everything translates well to comics: the YA-superhero "mashup" is proving this, over and over again.
Wes mentions Ryan Parrot as a good creator. I've only read his run on Mighty Morphin Power Rangers and I thought it was pretty bad. What would be recommended reading to show his talents?
I'm severely streaming my pull because of way too high prices of comics. My new pull includes no DC. Batman, my all- time favorite, sucks!
This is one reason why losing CHARLTON comics (long ago) has been a disaster for the comic book industry: no place for people with storytelling talent to hone their skills.
You know what, I actually liked Rowell's She-hulk run. The cover art alone by Jen Bartel is worth the pull. Is it great? Heck no. It's more like a Rom Com than a superhero comic but it is relatively light and relatively light on over the top (club you like you're a baby seal) DEI. Now, I'm not a fan of She-Hulk palling around with supervillains like they're just two sides of opposing sports teams having a beer and hanging out in the off season, but it's not the worse thing I've read recently. If the She-Hulk TV series had had more Rainbow Rowell and less Jessica Gao, they could have put the character over in a snap. People liked She-Hulk and they had to go out of there way to make her as disagreeable as possible. This cancellation is unfortunate. They've killed the golden goose and even mid runs are tanking.
Having new talent for 5 years also means they never made the attempt to learn anything and have just been riding the shit train.
Sucks cause I love the Outsiders but this series looked absolute crap
Well, that’s what happens when you hired untalented hacks. By this point, DC and Marvel might as well Hire fanfiction Writers.
I actually kinda liked it, it was a bit different
I actually enjoy The Outsiders (I’m sorry) it’s fluff single issue stories, but I read it for what it is and don’t mind. DC should have taken EVS up on his Plastic Man ideas. Alas I can only imagine how great that would have looked.
Why spend the money to hire authors away from the YA novels, only to put them on superhero comics? Just take the extra few steps to revive Epic or some other imprint, and let the YA writers write YA stories! Give 'em 8 to 12 issues to write a complete story, and then get the author to promote the heck out of the story once it's released as a trade paperback. The project would still probably fail, but at least they wouldn't be angering their traditional fans/ruining their legacy characters along the way...
Ngl I’m interested in reading wolverines venom war tie in since it has tony fleecs and kev walker
I think that is very hard to do a successful She-Hulk comic after Jason Aaron ruined the character in your shitty Avengers run. Outsiders i don't read but I know that it's a such desrespect with Planetary and the original Wildstorm universe.And I don't know how Tini Howard manage to get a new title yet, she's awful. The modern great writers don't will work in DC or Marvel anymore because indie books are more profitable for them. The talentess hacks writers are all the remain to the Big 2 in nowadays.
Auque viejo seamos sinceros estas empresas son el diablo ya que le robaron y estafaron han muchos escritores,sin olvidar que hicieron "trucos" para ser un asqueroso monopolio llamalo karma si lo es una gran desgraciada y lo vienen a buscar
They crammed so much Woke in their stories to get the "attaboys" and the eyes of Hollywood. Get a movie and transition into screenwriter... Leaving the comicbook industry a smoldering crater in their wake.
Why are Kelly and Lanzig always teaming up to write books?
I know you guys have issues with Sy Spurrier but Hellblazer is cruising along nicely under the radar. I understand DC even extended this current run due to solid sales.
Si Spurrier is a good writer as long as it's for characters he created from the ground up.
The second he gets his hands on ones he didn't create, he breaks them in ways beyond repair and then complains online about the fans legitimate criticism of what he put on paper.
Creó es el propio dv que no sabe , sy spurrier le va mejor en la magia al igual que ram v y dan watters son bueno pero en la parte magica y eso ta bien
Thanks for the comments! I am not super familiar with Sy, but l like what he is doing on HB. I have heard that he can be trouble on the wrong title, but that holds for anyone. These editors don't seem to be doing their job in terms of matching talent with the right characters.
Plastic Man by Christopher Can’t Right Well from DC Black Label?! Seriously? WTF is DC even doing anymore? 😂
Why isn't She-Hulk the focus of attention on the COVER of 'The Sensational She-Hulk' Issue 10, i.e., HER OWN BOOK? The artist dispersed my attention to the many colorful characters crowding the cover, and I'm certain the writer DID THE SAME in the story.
Have they learned NOTHING from the GOOD stories they read?
Collin Kelley and Jackson Lansing's Batman Beyond comic was absolutely boring, holy sh.
Looks like Doctor Strange is getting cancelled after Blood Hunt. Other than FF, Marvel has nothing for me. More than happy to spend my dollars at Ghost Machine and Skybound.
Great. They finally cancelled She-Hulk. She doesn't have to suffer through that garbage writing anymore. They rebooted She-Hulk. To try to trick people. Sensational was the best run. Minus the crap issues near the end by other writers. And that was only because of John Byrne. You don't have him, you got nothing. Either you get him back. Or you find writers that KNOW the character. Not this garbage nonsense.
It's very hard to fix all the damage that She-HUlk character suffered in the past years in the hands of Jason Aaron.
@@EvandroACruz That writer they got for these two years. Just did was Tamaki did.
@@mbob4337 I heard that your title have many She-Hulk MCU TV series vibes.
Can I ask what was wrong with Rowell’s She-Hulk? I read all of it and enjoyed it pretty well.
@@suriah12 Have you read Savage She-Hulk 1-26. And Sensational She-Hulk 1-60?
Pretty much all the good writers( and artists!!!) have given DC and Marvel ," I'm your #1 fan" finger.
Perhaps I should just read indie comics until the big two get there act together. I've said it once and I'll say it again it is not hard to write good guys versus bad guys stories. Just have supes stop a villain or the jla face a intergalactic threat. It's not hard.
I think you have to let creative people take chances and spread their wings. Yes. Sometimes it fails. Talent is a mysterious thing, but when you find it fly and let it take you on that creative journey, and everything works together, all of a sudden you are Goerge Lucas. Always bet on great talent because it is a gift of nature. It came from someplace else and doesn't grow on trees.
Well when writers keep bringing their agenda to characters who differ from the characters make it difficult to read .... When you create fan fiction doesn't make a writer.....
Cheap work that can get them to 10 issues so they can fire them and restart with a new #1 for easy money. What's the point anymore
I met someone who said instead of trying to find a good washing machine, he’ll get a cheap one, use it for a few years until it breaks down, and then buy another cheap one. Whether that’s a good strategy for large home appliances or not, it seems to be the same strategy these companies are using for writers and series. Get cheap ones, run them as far as they’ll go, and repeat.
I swear hearing about comics now makes me feel depressed.
sooo the death of plastic man is basically can't write well's attempt at knocking off the immortal hulk?
I try to be positive, but I’m thankful Tini Howard is being removed from catwoman and Harley Quinn.
Is she getting removed from Harley Quinn? I thought she was just leaving Catwoman. Honestly both books should have been cancelled long ago.
@@snowbunnie1113 I read somewhere it was both but I could be wrong. And agreed!
she ruined them both, although harley was already pretty bad.
CB & Jim Lee have checked out! In my store Indy outsells 99% of Marvel. 85% of DC. There is more quality. Gatchiman. Johnny Quest. Conan. Thundercats. Space Ghost. MMPR. TMNT. All Red Coat, Rook, Geiger. Energonverse. The Feral/Stray Dogs people. It's much better product
Wes, do you think Marvel and DC are destroying the books and heroes on purpose by keeping these garbage writers on the books even month after month of bad sales?
It seems like it. I have my business and if I have an employee who isn’t selling month after month, I move him around twice a year and he’s still not selling. There’s no way in hell I’m gonna keep losing money by keeping him. I don’t care how cheap he is as far as paying him
Fire them
I'm selling a load of my collection now as I have given up on collecting comics now.
I'm keeping my trades and only picking up classic runs in trades now.
Modern marvel and DC have destroyed all there comics
Ill not be going back
Peace
Maybe today's writers are a reflection of their generation? Shallow personalities defined by a lack of depth in their personal lives and friendships. Writers from the 70's, 80's, and 90's, at least, had to bang out a career in the minors - doing fill-in issues and apprentice duties to an editor or more senior writer. Today, writers go from fanfic and internet blogging to full-fledged writing on a flagship character.
The fans need to create a pirate comics group that dedicates itself to rewriting everything that came after the silver era of dc marvel .
This is what happens when you prioritize hiring woke writers over hiring good writers. All that matters nowadays is how left of center you are in your politics, not your talent.
Jackson Lanzig is the comic book equivalent of M. Night Shymalan: they deliver nothing but turds no matter who funds them 😅
surprised you don’t like Doctor Aphra. I haven’t read it but other TH-camrs are recommending it. Side question Wes, what does your omnibus collection look like?
No matter how many time you polish it, a turd is still a turd.
I have every appearance of she-hulk but even I couldn't keep reading rainbows nothing burger of a comic.
98% of the talent at marvel and dc are d-list...some are a little bit more competent so they same higher that d-list..
Marvel big main characters line sucks.iron man.cap. fantastic Force x-men. ASM. Thor.All suck.they should be selling 100g + but only probably sale less than 15,000
The only Marvel books that are remotely enjoyable are Dr Strange, Fantastic Four, Hulk and all the reprints. Everything else including Star Wars in terrible.
I know this would not be profitable, but Marvel needs to take a break from new books for 6 months, and do a back to basics re-launch. One spider book, one X book, etc.