This is an excellent video because it explains exactly what happened to cause the crash. I had always wondered what happened, now I know. The check list is a HUGE part of flying any type of aircraft no matter how many hours you have under your belt. THE CHECK LIST.
Thank you AJ, I have been a lifelong Yankee fan since I was 5 years old. This tragedy hit us all in NY, and Munson certainly maintains most of the fault here through errors and not doing he checklist. Time to feed Patreon again my friend, well done
After Munson’s death, his locker at Yankee Stadium remained undisturbed. Years later, a rookie named Derek Jeter had his locker next to Munson’s. And it remained that way until Jeter’s retirement.
I enrolled in Accident Investigation in college in the mid 80s with an Ex NTSB Investigator who taught the course and had these reports. I saw the investigation report because this was my report I had to present. The jet struck a tree stump, and it pinned Thurman in his seat. The others were not able to get him released from his chair before the plane burned. He misjudged his airspeed, forgot to extend his flaps, and was landing from a right side approach, after doing left hand touch and go's that day as I remember. A very sad and tragic end to a baseball legend.
we just had moved to the west coast but I was a die hard Yankee fan, and loved Thurm....I remember exactly where I was when it came over the radio that Thurman Munson had died.....
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world. Social media narcissism at its finest." th-cam.com/video/PTmCxbcRXs4/w-d-xo.html
Yes, State St just west of Lauby Rd. We’re in that area periodically as well. I remember that accident scene was there for a good while until it was finally cleaned up after that part of the “investigation “ was completed.
Unfortunately, it sounded like a rich kid driving an expensive muscle car that had too much performance for his experience level. Unless you intend to be a professional corporate pilot, you have no business flying a jet like this. It takes constant ongoing experience to continue to fly them safely, which really can only be obtained by frequent flying for a living. I speak as a former private pilot. No, I never flew jets, but just flying a Cessna was enough of a task for me.
The video doesn't make clear whether the two passengers were just friends or instructors. If the pilot in the right seat was an instructor, he should have enquired about the flaps and corrected the error.
I'm so confused that I'm reading comments hoping to find out too! Half way through when he let the other pilot 'have a go' I thought "oh, okay, Thurman must be a fully qualified pilot then" but apparently not? It said "practice" at the start but yeah, we REALLY needed some context cos I had no idea why it was a plane full of pilots!
Obviously he was not an instructor as he told the NTSB he wasn't sure what speed was required with the no-flaps situation and he wasn't telling Munson what to do. I'm interpreting that Munson was showing this plane to prospective buyers as why else would he be showing them all this stuff in a sales-y kind of way.
@@theMoerster The right seat passenger had been Munson’s multi-engine and instrument instructor. However, he had no Citation type rating or experience.
“Don’t quit your day job” comes to mind. Not sure how much experience he had, but he seemed to forget he was in a multi engine jet, not flying a 152 at a country airport
Too much aircraft, not enough experience, just like JFK Jr. I know from being a WW2 historian that some combat-experienced fighter pilots never successfully transitioned to jets--it was just too difficult, and that is at the highest level of USAF training, not GA. The transition from prop to jets also left some commercial pilots in the dust.
@@donnafromnyc Yeah I heard that too. The prop planes still remained in service until the mid 1960s so that may be all those pilots could have flown til retirement. Charter outfits flew them such as the DC-6 well into the 1970s.
@@kge420 Keith, in all fairness, that denigrates a lot of conscientious GA pilots. You have to have some money to get into this game, build hours, and to keep up and advance your certifications, you also have to have the time and dedication. Often money and time are mutually exclusive and life gets in the way. A lot of these folks should be collecting classic cars (like Reggie Jackson did)...if the engine quits or you blow a hose you can always pull over and call your mechanic or AAA.
If you look for it, the pre-game ceremony of the Yankees game following Thurman Munson's death is on youtube; it's moving. When the Yankees took the field, they left the catcher's box open, as a sign of respect; even after all these years, I still choke up.
Tomorrow is the 43rd anniversary of this tragedy. Thurm was the heart and soul of that team. I was 13 when I came home for dinner and my father dat me down to tell me the news.
As a 14 year old Yankee fan this was and is one of the saddest days of my life. Still remember just sitting on my stoop with a friend crying. A few years back while visiting Cedar Point had to make the detour to Canton and visited the crash site and Thurmans grave, a pilgrimage that was 38 years in the making. RIP #15... and thanks for this video.
However, in a 2022 tribute piece for his Countdown with Keith Olbermann podcast, sports commentator Keith Olbermann recalls Baseball Digest editor Rick Cerrone confiding to him four months before Munson's death, that Munson was "not as good a pilot as he thought he was" and that one of the Yankee executives was attempting to get owner George Steinbrenner to trade him to Cleveland to get him to stop flying: "They're all terrified he might wind up killing himself."
It was a sad day for me. I have been a life long Yankee fan and had seen Munson play. He was one of the greatest catchers to wear pin stripes. He died way before his time.
If I remember correctly, he actually survived the crash initially, and with only minor injuries, but ended up trapped in the wreckage, while the other 2 made it out and realized he hadn't yet escaped, and before they could get to him it was too late since the plane had caught fire.
I believe he was not wearing his shoulder harness and, in the crash, was thus not adequately restrained. He received a spinal injury which made it impossible to move. His passengers (possibly unaware of his injury) tried to get him out but the fire spread too rapidly.
@@em1osmurf I'm trying to understand the inuendo here. It seemed to be fairly straightforward and factual to me. He was not wearing a shoulder harness; he had a neck/spinal column injury. Is this inaccurate? I don't understand the basis of the litigation -- but I admit I haven't researched it. Why was the revelation of facts "cruel"? Surely, whatever was "told" to the family, eventually they would have seen the accident report and been able to join the dots?
I was 11 years old visiting my grandfather in Lafayette, Louisiana for the summertime. Was watching them play a card game at the Knight of Columbus when the phone rang, a young man answered the phone and then handed to an elderly man. He spoke on the phone for about 3 minutes, he told us that was his grandson Ron Guidry who was one of the pitchers for The Yankees at the time telling his grandfather that they (the team) were just informed about the plane crash.
My instructors literally beat into me "USE the checklist." I forgot to call for the check list to be read and the instructor smacked me across the back of the head with the check list and asked, "Forget something?" I never failed to use a check list again.
I feel like his whole mind set changed when told to do a right hand pattern and then extend it 1 mile further. That created a brain fart.he forgot everything else.how sad.
After mentioning Hill's accident, i remember David Coulthard's plane crash in 2000. Two pilots died, he survived and just a few days later he finished 2nd in the Spanish GP.
The news of his death announced at the Phillies - Mets game brought the game to a halt while all players on field stood there stunned. For years, Yankee Stadium left his locker as it was.
Seems like Munson was forgetful. First the landing gear and then forgetting to lower the flaps. He didn't seem to be reckless or act like a cowboy. And what about the checklist. Never forget them.
That's what I don't get: He was a rookie in the left hand seat.... Qualified pilot to his right...who spotted the landing gear...but not the flaps...? WTF?
Awful tragedy, but did the family really have a legal case? I’m sure the instructor never taught him to fly without consulting a check list. Sad to say but it seems like complete pilot error.
The FAA long ago used to quantify and analyze disproportionate accident rate of doctor pilots. They should now do this for celebrity pilots. Overconfidence and over privileged in passing tests?
The tail number N15NY was his jersey number and NY for New York. Twelve years after this incident, I got my pilots license. You must use the checklist every time and most importantly FLY THE AIRPLANE.
Strangely I remember this crash! I was kinda young. I was playing outside with my neighbors, my big brother called for me at our front door. He said Thurman Munson died in a plane crash, he was really bummed out!!! I can remember like it was yesterday!
Such a sad, tragic story. I was living in Green at the time coming home from work when I saw the plane. I did not see it crash, but I knew what I was seeing wasn't good. A Ohio state trooper pulled up beside my car and told me to leave the area. When I got home I heard that the plane belonged to Thurman Munson.
Thanks for making this video. I was a young boy and lived near this airport and a baseball fan. But I have to admit while you were referring to Thurmon as the "pilot" (presumably out of respect for the deceased) it was confusing as I always assumed he was flying solo but the video made it uncertain who was at the controls.
Munson was out of his depth of course. Not only that but negligent in not using a checklist. It brings to mind that a model of the Beech Bonanza was at one time nicknamed "fork-tailed doctor killer" especially in Australia. This was to infer that well-heeled GA pilots are sometimes overly confident in their ability to fly complex aircraft. That was certainly the case here.
Those old Bonanzas were treacherous. They were placarded all over the cockpit with a warning not to intentional spin the aircraft. The V-Tail config was almost impossible to recover from a spin of any kind as I recall.
@@bugsysdadenterprises That's interesting. I would imagine very few stall-spin accidents were due to a pilot intentionally spinning the aircraft. It was not an airplane for low time casual GA pilots.
In 18 months, Munson was allowed to advance from part-time student pilot in a Cessna 150 to pilot in command of a Citation. This was nuts. "Munson began flight training in February 1978 in a Cessna 150. Later that spring he also began flying a Beech Duke and completed his private pilot training that June in a Cessna 172. Several days later, with a total flight time of 97 hours, he added a multiengine rating. In February 1979, at 330 hours, Munson purchased a Beech E-90 King Air. In early July 1979, he had logged about 480 hours with 428 hours of multiengine time when he purchased the Citation. At this point he had 165 hours dual and 315 hours pilot-in-command." "He flew with the [Citation] instructor for 10 flights before receiving a type rating in the CE-501 in July 1979. The flight training was conducted during cross-country flights to Oakland, Seattle, Kansas City, and Wichita. Local training flights were also made at Oakland and Seattle. Munson logged 21.7 hours and 24 landings in the aircraft but only completed four hours in FSI’s Citation simulator. In the 16 days following the check flight, he flew 10.6 hours dual with 4.1 hours as single pilot. At the time of the accident he had 516 total hours and 34 hours in the Citation." Excerpts from www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2008/august/01/safety-pilot-landmark-accidents-jet-transition-troubles
Not necessarily. How many hours a day, week, month was he in training? That matters. Total length of time in months mostly irrelevant. Yes, I'm a pilot. For 34 years now. Would I expect to transition that quickly? No way in hell...
That's pretty self explanatory then. That King Air would've gotten him in trouble had he stayed with it. That's a real high-performance twin, and another ride not for the amateur pilot.
You do a task 10 times a day ( or more) it becomes muscle memory you stop mentally thinking about doing it, It just turns into a blur, that is why check-lists are a necessity to slow the process down intill you can mentally confirm what your body is, or isn't doing.
Can you find any photos of the actual N15NY? As I remember it was white with blue pinstripes, to match his Yankee uniform. Munson was considered one of the all time greats, and this accident attracted huge attention at the time.
I was 10 and my aunt worked in Akron. We were picking her up that evening to drive home and our path took us behind the airport and to the edge of the landing-side of the runway. It was the day after the wreck and you could still see the aircraft in the field. I didn't know who Munson was; only that he was a Yankee. I did find it interesting that Munson was being given special flight-training.
I was out riding my bike on that day when my dad called me inside and told me Munson had been killed in a plane crash. I couldn't believe it. It was almost that feeling like when Kobe died -- I'm not a big basketball fan but I remember thinking, "Wait -- Kobe can't die!" It's a ridiculous notion, I know, but it's what a lot of people thought. Same thing with Munson. So young and such a supreme talent behind the plate, and with the bat too. A senseless loss.
@Jim Malcolm, yes That might have initiated the accident... And yes, the flaps were not extended on the approach, which explains the excessive sink rate, that was made clear on the CVR we heard in the video... He just was not ready to be doing what he was in that plane.... Too fast, and far more technical than he was capable of handling at that point.... Did he have a pilot's license before that flight? If so, with what type of aircraft? Maybe a Cox PT-19 trainer, powered by a formidable .049 glow fuel engine?
@@robertvaughn6646 a little tip, L/H and R/H runways usually refer to two parallel runways that have identical headings on the compass expressed in terms of degrees. One set of numbers on the runways, will describe what what heading that both L/H and R/H runways travel, while the other set of numbers on the opposite end of the parallel L/H & R/H runways will describe what heading on the compass they are running towards... The numbers on the runways will always be 180 degrees apart at their opposite ends.... These numbers are ALWAYS determined by the direction of the approach (landing) crossing that runway threshold first... On multiple parallel runways the L/H and R/H side will ALWAYS be determined as when viewed from the direction of an approach (landing), just as with the heading.... Look into some of the FAR's into these really interesting things, by purchasing some government published instruction manuals of basic flight rules & regulations....In my opinion those FAR's are worth every penny that they charge for those manuals....
@@michaelmartinez1345 I was making a point that I didn't clarify well. There was no reason for the accident. There was an instructor on board. That's his job as PIC to make sure the student has his situational awareness. I understand parallel runways but wasn't this right and left hand traffic. Many runways have the traffic pattern based on the environment around the airport like housing.
@@michaelmartinez1345 "These numbers are ALWAYS determined by the direction of the approach (landing) crossing that runway threshold first... On multiple parallel runways the L/H and R/H side will ALWAYS be determined as when viewed from the direction of an approach (landing), just as with the heading." Sorry but I'm not following this statement. The runways are based on magnetic heading of the runway. they are adjusted periodically for magnetic pole changes. I assume you're talking about traffic pattern direction which I will agree with but it wasn't clear. Obviously XXL will have a left hand pattern and XXR will have a right hand traffic.
I was living in the Bronx at the time.. We were playing Stickball in the streets when my mother yelled down that Thruman Munson had died.. We all just stopped playing and were shocked. I was about 10 at the time.. The whole Block went into mourning..
Sadly, having the money to purchase an airplane does not equate with the ability to fly said airplane. Happens all the time. JFK Jr. learned the hard way about being a part-time pilot and full time something else.
What the hell was the purpose behind the lawsuits? He inadvertently flew his plane into the ground. There was nothing Cessna or the training company could've done to prevent it. Well, they could've refuse to sell to him on the grounds they thought his wife would be a greedy bitch if he ever wrecked the thing. But that would apply to damn near everyone in the country able to afford their product.
Always wondered about how this accident occurred. I am a resident of Canton and remember when this happened. There are many landmarks in town named after Munson because he was a hometown guy. Sad how his life came to an end at such an early age and for someone that had so much going for him at the time.
Wealth does not allow shortcuts in everything. This reminds me of several high profile pilots (JFK Jr) dying in high performance aircraft that were far beyond their skill set. Senseless tragedy.
@ kingofcastlechaos, I heard there has been no definitive explanation of the JFK Jr. Accident , what have You heard that caused that to take place? What is the report docket # ? When was it determined & completed ?
@@NCLUSA sadly, that's the case for a lot of "pilots". They buy a plane that they aren't really qualified to fly just because they are a celebrity before they're a pilot.
considering that they had just performed a no flaps landing, the passenger could not know that the pilot wanted flaps for this landing... pay attention.
@@thedocnak Some of us are: His "passenger" a qualified pilot....reminded him as to landing gear...surely a mention of flaps or no flaps was in order.... if...as a qualified pilot...he was sat in the pilots seat? (Do pay attention junior.)
it would prob. have gotten him sooner or later. lookin at the wrong big picture. seen hiself smokin a cigar listening to some pink floyd flyin to a big game instead of bein trapped in a cockpit on fire. real sad.
Munson came to my dad and wanted to buy a Hawker jet, when he refused to go to flight training my father refused the sale, he went straight to a Cessna FBO and bought a Citation apparently they weren't so concerned with flight training, the rest is history
Can you use font and color that is readable on top of the video. As it is, you to pause the video on every new text paragraph in order to read it in time before it indexes to the next paragraph.
i was a yankees fan from way back when my cousin mick played for them. this was horrible trajedy. my father just sat and stared at the tv screen for hours.
Inexperienced/incompetent pilot + high performance business jet is a bad combination that often ends fatally. Even highly experienced pilots crash business jets way too frequently. They are a handful to fly and loss of situational awareness/task saturation can overwhelm the pilot very quickly.
They say Munson screamed, cried and pleaded for rescue at an extreme volume as his body slowly burned while he was trapped in the wreckage but fully conscious and thrashing about. "Get me out, GET ME OUT!" his voice echoing as he tried to escape the burning plane but there was nothing anyone could do. This indicates that Munson was: 1. Conscious: He was aware of his surroundings and situation as his flesh burned for over 4 minutes. 2. In immense pain: The severity of his burns and injuries caused immense and unbearable suffering. 3. Desperate: Munson's loud and persistent cries for help reflect his urgent need to escape the flames. -"Thurman's cries were a mix of pain, fear, and desperation." - Emergency responder (Akron Beacon Journal, August 3, 1979) - "Munson's screams were blood-curdling... He was begging for help." (Emergency responder) - "The screams, the cries for help, it's a sound that stays with you forever." - Jerry Anderson, passenger who survived the crash (Sports Illustrated, 2019) - "Thurman was yelling, 'Get me out! Get me out!' It was heartbreaking." - David Hall, passenger who survived the crash (New York Daily News, 2019) - "The plane was engulfed in flames, and Thurman's voice was loud, pleading for help." - Emergency responder (Akron Beacon Journal, August 3, 1979) - "Munson's desperate cries still echo in my mind." - Witness (Cleveland Plain Dealer, August 4, 1979). A final hushed and resigned "Help me Dave" were his very last words as the flames engulfed his upper body and began scorching the flesh from his face, his trademark mustache and lips suddenly melting away whilst his eyeballs boiled until they popped. Finally, he inhaled and tasted the putrid toxic flames and fumes and Thurman Lee Munson was released from this life. He was only 32.
@@trent3872 Geezer, ask your grandkid if 103 wins is going backwards. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ It’s too bad munson forgot the checklist. How ignorant can a novice pilot be?? But, I bet his buddies were impressed…until he crashed. The yanks were above .500 from 83 to 88. By 89, thurmy was ancient history. You old guys need to start thinking a little more clearly. While you were yanking, your team won 103 games in 1980, the year after thurmy kicked the bucket. In 1981, he was long forgotten. His buds were thinking about money. One hundred and three wins!!! Go on, keep believing your wet dreams, old man. Flaps to you, geezer!!!! Hey, isn’t it time to change your colostomy bag?
@@trent3872 Only a pathetic fan boy would ignore the simple facts. By the way, a three year old would know losing a great player will hurt a team. By the way, champ, did you even read my post?? Munson’s accident was so typical of an inexperienced pilot in a difficult airplane. His arrogance did him in.
@@sludge8506 I'm a fan, little boy, have been sick once the late 70s, I'm guessing you were born in 1990, and don't know sh@$& About baseball. You implied that Munson's death had no effect on the Yankees future. You'll probably say the death of Len Bias had no effect on the Boston Celtics of the same era. Quit playing with your mom's phone and get in there and do your homework. You can't fail summer school or you'll repeat.
If you have a chance to fly with a new jet owning pilot, new jet pilot, well you don't want to be doing touch & go's. They tell me it is easy to get behind the work in a jet. That last change to right downwind, probably changed the whole flow. From there Mr Munson was behind, then etxtended downwind. Long low final approaches are another challenge/change. The prior landings/touch n go's were are workout for new jet pilot. Always let a new jet pilot practice pattern work while your on the ground. This was a huge loss for everyone. Passengers were totally lucky to be alive after. Maybe I would have made the same mistakes, but never got to flying jets. I am sure many learned from this accident. Sad event, but worth studying.
I remember this well, it was just before I married my first wife, his mistake was buying the plane, my mistake was marring my first wife. ) : we all make mistakes, don't we?.
This is what I would call a “character “ crash! An accident brought on by the personality of the pilot and/or the paying passengers like in Aaliyah case. Strong characters or VIP think that laws of physics and aerodynamics don’t apply to them, unfortunately they later find out they were wrong!
Depends on the deceleration rate after he hit the tree stump. F = m*a, and a = dV/dt was a very large (negative) number, meaning his head would have violently snapped forward with his body held semi-stationary. Very much like a hanging.
27 years later it happened again. An inexperienced Yankee pilot killed himself. Smh. A lot of sports contracts have specific clauses that forbid doing dangerous shit or even playing pick up games with friends in the off season. That sports team literally owns your body. I'm surprised more teams don't add these "danger of injury" clauses to contracts.
Allec, if you are going into air accidents by sports figures, please look into F1 World Champion Graham HIll's crash in the UK. It happened after he retired when he was organizing his own racing team.. From what I've read it was an absolute cluster, including an uncertified aircraft. RIP Jim Clark 1968 Hockenheim
@@alantoon5708 I downloaded the report (easy to find, search on Graham Hill AAIB, thank you for the tip 💝)and yes, it was a concatenation of events that is true of every crash. The aircraft wasn't at fault though unregistered in the UK--it had been maintained. Poor judgment by Hill flying at night into a private and marginally equipped for conditions field (Elstree) in poor weather at night. There was almost another crash near there that night. He overestimated his ability to deal with the deteriorating conditions, which if he was current with his IFR certification, he might either have been able to deal with or avoid. This is a good one for Allec.
Jet engines take some time to spool up. You can’t get low on final. Pay attention to the vasi lights. If you notice you’re low you need immediate power. I use Thermun Munson to point out how people with money can buy expensive airplanes but they are not professional pilots. This jet is not a toy. Hire a professional to fly with you.
You're trying to imply he was a dumb jock and not bright enough to pilot which if you actually knew anything about him couldn't be further from the truth. But continue to flaunt your ignorance and the rest of us will just laugh at you.
Fell out of the sky. Stunning. Tragic. Late 80's NZ, Bell 500 hunting copter, and with children enjoy flights across town, the next hour or two headed off into hill country, shoot nets for dear, and caught in down draught, get pushed to ground, copter destroyed, 2 men survive.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world. Social media narcissism at its finest." th-cam.com/video/PTmCxbcRXs4/w-d-xo.html
Tragically, This accident was caused by not using a checklist and forgetting to apply critical steps... He should have had a checklist and followed it... He also skipped the 2-week pre-flight training course that most people at that flight school had to pass...Too much plane, for someone who had too little experience flying a plane of that type... RIP Thurman Munson...
@@billolsen4360 unfortunately yes.... He should have gone through all of the steps to get to the point of flying a plane like that.... He under-estimated the amount of expertise needed to be able to fly a jet of this type.... He Obviously had no idea of the importance of: Airspeed, AOA, Glide Slope, Decent profile, Thrust effects, How to determine the amount of engine thrust, Single pilot operating capability., Single engine operating procedures, It is almost as if he should have been flying something like a Cessna 150 instead of this plane.... Comparable to a kid on a sand-lot neighborhood baseball team, trying out to go into the Major Leagues.... The ONLY difference between the Kid on the sand-lot team and him; Is Thurman had the money, to get into something that he never should have been into at that stage of his extremely limited aviation experience. Where the kid could have tried-out for the farm teams , but probably would have been cut. So the kid lost an opportunity. Thurman, lost his life by pretending he knew how to fly that plane.... That is where the major problem started... Thurman, never should have gotten into the pilot seat of that plane, that soon.... Sadly, End of story....
Sounds like the both the Yankees and the wife found a quick way to make some major free bucks when Munson was the one that actually caused the crash. An aircraft manufacturer can't force somebody to follow the flight rulers, i.e., the checklist (which he never used). Greed takes many forms.
This is an excellent video because it explains exactly what happened to cause the crash. I had always wondered what happened, now I know. The check list is a HUGE part of flying any type of aircraft no matter how many hours you have under your belt. THE CHECK LIST.
Tragic loss! It just goes to show, there are checklist for a reason. RIP, Thurman!!🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
He was a fool
Another reminder to stay with the process in spite of distractions.
It ain't always easy.
Thanks Allec
Thank you AJ, I have been a lifelong Yankee fan since I was 5 years old. This tragedy hit us all in NY, and Munson certainly maintains most of the fault here through errors and not doing he checklist. Time to feed Patreon again my friend, well done
After Munson’s death, his locker at Yankee Stadium remained undisturbed. Years later, a rookie named Derek Jeter had his locker next to Munson’s. And it remained that way until Jeter’s retirement.
Actually Yankee stadium was torn down after the 2008 season and Jeter retired 6 years later. I get what you are saying though.
@chesvvick , did the Yankees also do that with Lou Gehrig's locker?
Did they move the locker to the new Stadium?
@@theworldwariioldtimeradioc8676Thurman’s locker is on display at the Yankees museum
Did it smell like jet fuel?
I enrolled in Accident Investigation in college in the mid 80s with an Ex NTSB Investigator who taught the course and had these reports. I saw the investigation report because this was my report I had to present. The jet struck a tree stump, and it pinned Thurman in his seat. The others were not able to get him released from his chair before the plane burned. He misjudged his airspeed, forgot to extend his flaps, and was landing from a right side approach, after doing left hand touch and go's that day as I remember. A very sad and tragic end to a baseball legend.
Thurman Munson was so highly-regarded by the Yankees' team that he was one of the very select players to ever be named captain.
No kidding! 🤣🤣🤣
He was only the second Captain of the Yankees. The first? Lou Gehrig, who was also cut down in his prime.
they were even going to trade him after the accident! It says so in the suit!
we just had moved to the west coast but I was a die hard Yankee fan, and loved Thurm....I remember exactly where I was when it came over the radio that Thurman Munson had died.....
I’m reminded of this every time I drive by that area almost every day :( RIP Thurman.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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Yes, State St just west of Lauby Rd. We’re in that area periodically as well. I remember that accident scene was there for a good while until it was finally cleaned up after that part of the “investigation “ was completed.
Unfortunately, it sounded like a rich kid driving an expensive muscle car that had too much performance for his experience level. Unless you intend to be a professional corporate pilot, you have no business flying a jet like this. It takes constant ongoing experience to continue to fly them safely, which really can only be obtained by frequent flying for a living. I speak as a former private pilot. No, I never flew jets, but just flying a Cessna was enough of a task for me.
The video doesn't make clear whether the two passengers were just friends or instructors. If the pilot in the right seat was an instructor, he should have enquired about the flaps and corrected the error.
One of them was a flight instructor
I'm so confused that I'm reading comments hoping to find out too! Half way through when he let the other pilot 'have a go' I thought "oh, okay, Thurman must be a fully qualified pilot then" but apparently not? It said "practice" at the start but yeah, we REALLY needed some context cos I had no idea why it was a plane full of pilots!
@@GeoffInfield The wiki entry is pretty informative.
Obviously he was not an instructor as he told the NTSB he wasn't sure what speed was required with the no-flaps situation and he wasn't telling Munson what to do. I'm interpreting that Munson was showing this plane to prospective buyers as why else would he be showing them all this stuff in a sales-y kind of way.
@@theMoerster The right seat passenger had been Munson’s multi-engine and instrument instructor. However, he had no Citation type rating or experience.
Last game was against my hometown White Sox. I remember hearing about this. So sad.
“Don’t quit your day job” comes to mind.
Not sure how much experience he had, but he seemed to forget he was in a multi engine jet, not flying a 152 at a country airport
I think the NTSB felt the same about his experience. Still a very tragic loss.
Too much aircraft, not enough experience, just like JFK Jr. I know from being a WW2 historian that some combat-experienced fighter pilots never successfully transitioned to jets--it was just too difficult, and that is at the highest level of USAF training, not GA. The transition from prop to jets also left some commercial pilots in the dust.
@@donnafromnyc Yeah I heard that too. The prop planes still remained in service until the mid 1960s so that may be all those pilots could have flown til retirement. Charter outfits flew them such as the DC-6 well into the 1970s.
@Morgan Brown Toxic wealth comes to mind for me.
@@kge420 Keith, in all fairness, that denigrates a lot of conscientious GA pilots. You have to have some money to get into this game, build hours, and to keep up and advance your certifications, you also have to have the time and dedication. Often money and time are mutually exclusive and life gets in the way. A lot of these folks should be collecting classic cars (like Reggie Jackson did)...if the engine quits or you blow a hose you can always pull over and call your mechanic or AAA.
If you look for it, the pre-game ceremony of the Yankees game following Thurman Munson's death is on youtube; it's moving. When the Yankees took the field, they left the catcher's box open, as a sign of respect; even after all these years, I still choke up.
Tomorrow is the 43rd anniversary of this tragedy. Thurm was the heart and soul of that team. I was 13 when I came home for dinner and my father dat me down to tell me the news.
As a 14 year old Yankee fan this was and is one of the saddest days of my life. Still remember just sitting on my stoop with a friend crying. A few years back while visiting Cedar Point had to make the detour to Canton and visited the crash site and Thurmans grave, a pilgrimage that was 38 years in the making. RIP #15... and thanks for this video.
However, in a 2022 tribute piece for his Countdown with Keith Olbermann podcast, sports commentator Keith Olbermann recalls Baseball Digest editor Rick Cerrone confiding to him four months before Munson's death, that Munson was "not as good a pilot as he thought he was" and that one of the Yankee executives was attempting to get owner George Steinbrenner to trade him to Cleveland to get him to stop flying: "They're all terrified he might wind up killing himself."
It was a sad day for me. I have been a life long Yankee fan and had seen Munson play. He was one of the greatest catchers to wear pin stripes. He died way before his time.
If I remember correctly, he actually survived the crash initially, and with only minor injuries, but ended up trapped in the wreckage, while the other 2 made it out and realized he hadn't yet escaped, and before they could get to him it was too late since the plane had caught fire.
You are 100 percent correct.
He burned alive, horrible way to die.
his cause of death is recorded as asphyxia due to severe neck trauma, he may only have lived a few minutes after the crash anyway
I believe he was not wearing his shoulder harness and, in the crash, was thus not adequately restrained. He received a spinal injury which made it impossible to move. His passengers (possibly unaware of his injury) tried to get him out but the fire spread too rapidly.
yes. this is what was told to the family, cruelly enough, and why the vicious litigation.
@@em1osmurf I'm trying to understand the inuendo here. It seemed to be fairly straightforward and factual to me. He was not wearing a shoulder harness; he had a neck/spinal column injury. Is this inaccurate? I don't understand the basis of the litigation -- but I admit I haven't researched it. Why was the revelation of facts "cruel"? Surely, whatever was "told" to the family, eventually they would have seen the accident report and been able to join the dots?
I was 11 years old visiting my grandfather in Lafayette, Louisiana for the summertime. Was watching them play a card game at the Knight of Columbus when the phone rang, a young man answered the phone and then handed to an elderly man. He spoke on the phone for about 3 minutes, he told us that was his grandson Ron Guidry who was one of the pitchers for The Yankees at the time telling his grandfather that they (the team) were just informed about the plane crash.
My instructors literally beat into me "USE the checklist." I forgot to call for the check list to be read and the instructor smacked me across the back of the head with the check list and asked, "Forget something?" I never failed to use a check list again.
This should be a reminder that just because you're "great" at one thing, doesn't mean you'll be great or even good at another thing.
I remember the day..I was a Red Sox fan but cried. Thurman was a Titan.
This was really interesting - thank you Allec! Your videos never disappoint.
I feel like his whole mind set changed when told to do a right hand pattern and then extend it 1 mile further. That created a brain fart.he forgot everything else.how sad.
Maybe. I suspect letting the right-seater fly a zero-flaps touch-and-go took him out of his rhythm. Maybe it was the combination.
I had the same thought tbh
This is why referring to a checklist is absolutely necessary
it’s always really nice to see you cover sports tragedies, you should really make a video on the alan kulwicki or graham hill crash
I like when he does celebrities too, I'm hoping soon he will cover the plane Travis Barker was on
@@TheAdx1001 or Lynrd Skynrd.
After mentioning Hill's accident, i remember David Coulthard's plane crash in 2000. Two pilots died, he survived and just a few days later he finished 2nd in the Spanish GP.
I hate the Yankees with a passion, but this was an enormously sad event, a terrible tragedy. The impact was felt across Major League Baseball.
after seeing here that that they tried to cash in, I dislike them even more.
Why do you hate the Yankees?
The news of his death announced at the Phillies - Mets game brought the game to a halt while all players on field stood there stunned. For years, Yankee Stadium left his locker as it was.
Seems like Munson was forgetful. First the landing gear and then forgetting to lower the flaps. He didn't seem to be reckless or act like a cowboy. And what about the checklist. Never forget them.
That's what I don't get: He was a rookie in the left hand seat.... Qualified pilot to his right...who spotted the landing gear...but not the flaps...?
WTF?
Awful tragedy, but did the family really have a legal case? I’m sure the instructor never taught him to fly without consulting a check list. Sad to say but it seems like complete pilot error.
We have seen it too many times where the cost of the trial (and potentially bad publicity) is more than just settling the case.
I remember when this happened - as many do. Because it was huge news at the time. But I did not know until now why the plane crashed. Thanks.
I was flying nearby in Medina, Ohio. He was a bad pilot who rushed his certifications.
it's like a surgeon rushing his exams using daddy's influence, so he couldn't have been very bright.
He wasn't bad. That's so easy for you to say. He was an up-and-coming pilot. He could fly, but the citation was just too much plane for him.
@@johnts1 That Citation is probably one of the easiest planes to fly. An MU2 is much harder and demanding.
The FAA long ago used to quantify and analyze disproportionate accident rate of doctor pilots. They should now do this for celebrity pilots. Overconfidence and over privileged in passing tests?
The tail number N15NY was his jersey number and NY for New York.
Twelve years after this incident, I got my pilots license. You must use the checklist every time and most importantly FLY THE AIRPLANE.
"Fly the AIRLINE"? And you have a pilots license? What happened to the checklist?
@@patagualianmostly7437 Good catch, I corrected the error.
Thank you.
Being of modest means has probably kept me alive alot longer than had I had fabulous toys like planes, Bugattis and cigarette boats.
Not heard of this one before. Thanks Allec.
After so many years I still miss you number One fan ....
Strangely I remember this crash! I was kinda young. I was playing outside with my neighbors, my big brother called for me at our front door. He said Thurman Munson died in a plane crash, he was really bummed out!!! I can remember like it was yesterday!
Such a sad, tragic story. I was living in Green at the time coming home from work when I saw the plane. I did not see it crash, but I knew what I was seeing wasn't good. A Ohio state trooper pulled up beside my car and told me to leave the area. When I got home I heard that the plane belonged to Thurman Munson.
Some people are destined to be pilots, some people are destined to be ballplayers, and the rest of us sit back and enjoy watching both.
You should do a video about the Audie Murphy crash... I live about fifty miles from where his plane went down.
Didn't even get through the opening animation - Thumbs up because EVERYTHING AJI does is top shelf.
Thanks for making this video. I was a young boy and lived near this airport and a baseball fan. But I have to admit while you were referring to Thurmon as the "pilot" (presumably out of respect for the deceased) it was confusing as I always assumed he was flying solo but the video made it uncertain who was at the controls.
Since you are doing celebrities crashes. Can you do Otis Redding?
And skynyrd or have u done it before? I know I asked once in the past
This is so unbelievably sad and angering. Extreme negligence and tragedy. Rest in power, Thurman.
Munson was out of his depth of course. Not only that but negligent in not using a checklist. It brings to mind that a model of the Beech Bonanza was at one time nicknamed "fork-tailed doctor killer" especially in Australia. This was to infer that well-heeled GA pilots are sometimes overly confident in their ability to fly complex aircraft. That was certainly the case here.
Those old Bonanzas were treacherous. They were placarded all over the cockpit with a warning not to intentional spin the aircraft. The V-Tail config was almost impossible to recover from a spin of any kind as I recall.
@@bugsysdadenterprises That's interesting. I would imagine very few stall-spin accidents were due to a pilot intentionally spinning the aircraft. It was not an airplane for low time casual GA pilots.
In 18 months, Munson was allowed to advance from part-time student pilot in a Cessna 150 to pilot in command of a Citation. This was nuts.
"Munson began flight training in February 1978 in a Cessna 150. Later that spring he also began flying a Beech Duke and completed his private pilot training that June in a Cessna 172. Several days later, with a total flight time of 97 hours, he added a multiengine rating. In February 1979, at 330 hours, Munson purchased a Beech E-90 King Air. In early July 1979, he had logged about 480 hours with 428 hours of multiengine time when he purchased the Citation. At this point he had 165 hours dual and 315 hours pilot-in-command."
"He flew with the [Citation] instructor for 10 flights before receiving a type rating in the CE-501 in July 1979. The flight training was conducted during cross-country flights to Oakland, Seattle, Kansas City, and Wichita. Local training flights were also made at Oakland and Seattle. Munson logged 21.7 hours and 24 landings in the aircraft but only completed four hours in FSI’s Citation simulator. In the 16 days following the check flight, he flew 10.6 hours dual with 4.1 hours as single pilot. At the time of the accident he had 516 total hours and 34 hours in the Citation."
Excerpts from www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2008/august/01/safety-pilot-landmark-accidents-jet-transition-troubles
Not necessarily. How many hours a day, week, month was he in training? That matters. Total length of time in months mostly irrelevant. Yes, I'm a pilot. For 34 years now. Would I expect to transition that quickly? No way in hell...
Absolutely crazy how meteoric his rise from rookie to Top Gun! This disaster was surely inevitable. Just glad there weren't more fatalities.
That's pretty self explanatory then. That King Air would've gotten him in trouble had he stayed with it. That's a real high-performance twin, and another ride not for the amateur pilot.
Another Yankees player, Corey Lidle, died in a 2006 Cirrus crash.in New York city.
I remember that
"TheFlightChannel" has recreated that crash.
Corey blew that one completely. Flew himself into an urban box canyon, that was too tight to turn in.
You do a task 10 times a day ( or more) it becomes muscle memory you stop mentally thinking about doing it, It just turns into a blur, that is why check-lists are a necessity to slow the process down intill you can mentally confirm what your body is, or isn't doing.
Can you find any photos of the actual N15NY? As I remember it was white with blue pinstripes, to match his Yankee uniform. Munson was considered one of the all time greats, and this accident attracted huge attention at the time.
I was 10 and my aunt worked in Akron. We were picking her up that evening to drive home and our path took us behind the airport and to the edge of the landing-side of the runway. It was the day after the wreck and you could still see the aircraft in the field. I didn't know who Munson was; only that he was a Yankee.
I did find it interesting that Munson was being given special flight-training.
That’s not uncommon actually, many high profile people get “special” flight training. It’s how they use that training that counts.
I grew up in the tri state area and was 15 when he was killed. Always knew it was a plane crash.......but not the details until now, Terrible.
the plane was too powerful for the pilot, it happens alot. As a pilot you need to give due respect to the plane.
I was out riding my bike on that day when my dad called me inside and told me Munson had been killed in a plane crash. I couldn't believe it. It was almost that feeling like when Kobe died -- I'm not a big basketball fan but I remember thinking, "Wait -- Kobe can't die!" It's a ridiculous notion, I know, but it's what a lot of people thought. Same thing with Munson. So young and such a supreme talent behind the plate, and with the bat too. A senseless loss.
The change to right traffic, then the extended downwind probably got him out of his normal routine. That is what the checklist is for.
The checklist doesn't address which direction the landing traffic is flying. But yes he didn't run the chk list.
@Jim Malcolm, yes That might have initiated the accident... And yes, the flaps were not extended on the approach, which explains the excessive sink rate, that was made clear on the CVR we heard in the video... He just was not ready to be doing what he was in that plane.... Too fast, and far more technical than he was capable of handling at that point.... Did he have a pilot's license before that flight? If so, with what type of aircraft? Maybe a Cox PT-19 trainer, powered by a formidable .049 glow fuel engine?
@@robertvaughn6646 a little tip, L/H and R/H runways usually refer to two parallel runways that have identical headings on the compass expressed in terms of degrees. One set of numbers on the runways, will describe what what heading that both L/H and R/H runways travel, while the other set of numbers on the opposite end of the parallel L/H & R/H runways will describe what heading on the compass they are running towards... The numbers on the runways will always be 180 degrees apart at their opposite ends.... These numbers are ALWAYS determined by the direction of the approach (landing) crossing that runway threshold first... On multiple parallel runways the L/H and R/H side will ALWAYS be determined as when viewed from the direction of an approach (landing), just as with the heading.... Look into some of the FAR's into these really interesting things, by purchasing some government published instruction manuals of basic flight rules & regulations....In my opinion those FAR's are worth every penny that they charge for those manuals....
@@michaelmartinez1345 I was making a point that I didn't clarify well. There was no reason for the accident. There was an instructor on board. That's his job as PIC to make sure the student has his situational awareness. I understand parallel runways but wasn't this right and left hand traffic. Many runways have the traffic pattern based on the environment around the airport like housing.
@@michaelmartinez1345 "These numbers are ALWAYS determined by the direction of the approach (landing) crossing that runway threshold first... On multiple parallel runways the L/H and R/H side will ALWAYS be determined as when viewed from the direction of an approach (landing), just as with the heading." Sorry but I'm not following this statement. The runways are based on magnetic heading of the runway. they are adjusted periodically for magnetic pole changes. I assume you're talking about traffic pattern direction which I will agree with but it wasn't clear. Obviously XXL will have a left hand pattern and XXR will have a right hand traffic.
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Was the right seat passenger in fact the designated pilot training or was it a less formal arrangement?
He was basically a passenger.
I was living in the Bronx at the time.. We were playing Stickball in the streets when my mother yelled down that Thruman Munson had died.. We all just stopped playing and were shocked. I was about 10 at the time.. The whole Block went into mourning..
The checklists are there for very good reasons. They are the result of lessons learned with blood.
Interesting story. Well done. 😀👍
Sadly, having the money to purchase an airplane does not equate with the ability to fly said airplane. Happens all the time. JFK Jr. learned the hard way about being a part-time pilot and full time something else.
What the hell was the purpose behind the lawsuits? He inadvertently flew his plane into the ground. There was nothing Cessna or the training company could've done to prevent it. Well, they could've refuse to sell to him on the grounds they thought his wife would be a greedy bitch if he ever wrecked the thing. But that would apply to damn near everyone in the country able to afford their product.
As a Yankees fan this story really digs deep. Hurts so much 😭🙏
I root for another team, but I really respected Munson as a player.
"Where's that darn landing checklist, It's always in the way"
Always wondered about how this accident occurred. I am a resident of Canton and remember when this happened. There are many landmarks in town named after Munson because he was a hometown guy. Sad how his life came to an end at such an early age and for someone that had so much going for him at the time.
File this case under "More Money Than Skills."
Sad loss. But also incredibly sad how often people feel the need to blame - and sue - SOMEONE ELSE after this kind of loss.
It was a very sad day for the City of New York and for Yankee fans all over the world.
Wealth does not allow shortcuts in everything. This reminds me of several high profile pilots (JFK Jr) dying in high performance aircraft that were far beyond their skill set. Senseless tragedy.
@ kingofcastlechaos, I heard there has been no definitive explanation of the JFK Jr. Accident , what have You heard that caused that to take place? What is the report docket # ? When was it determined & completed ?
Also John Denver.
USA: if a pilot makes a deadly mistake you can be sure someone (usually family) goes to court to blame anybody....
The passenger was a better pilot than Thurman, but Thurman was a better ballplayer.
He should have never bought the plane, he was not qualified to be a pilot. Just because you have the money to buy a plane doesn't mean you can fly.
@@NCLUSA sadly, that's the case for a lot of "pilots". They buy a plane that they aren't really qualified to fly just because they are a celebrity before they're a pilot.
When the passenger (who was a pilot himself) saw that the landing gear lever was still up, he should have said: "Gear and flaps".
considering that they had just performed a no flaps landing, the passenger could not know that the pilot wanted flaps for this landing... pay attention.
@@thedocnak Some of us are: His "passenger" a qualified pilot....reminded him as to landing gear...surely a mention of flaps or no flaps was in order.... if...as a qualified pilot...he was sat in the pilots seat? (Do pay attention junior.)
@@patagualianmostly7437 His passenger was NOT the copilot. Pay attention, champ.
it would prob. have gotten him sooner or later. lookin at the wrong big picture. seen hiself smokin a cigar listening to some pink floyd flyin to a big game instead of bein trapped in a cockpit on fire. real sad.
Munson came to my dad and wanted to buy a Hawker jet, when he refused to go to flight training my father refused the sale, he went straight to a Cessna FBO and bought a Citation apparently they weren't so concerned with flight training, the rest is history
Can you use font and color that is readable on top of the video. As it is, you to pause the video on every new text paragraph in order to read it in time before it indexes to the next paragraph.
I remember picking up the NY Daily news the next day and the back page was a photo of the crash scene.
Only takes a second up there...
i was a yankees fan from way back when my cousin mick played for them. this was horrible trajedy. my father just sat and stared at the tv screen for hours.
Inexperienced/incompetent pilot + high performance business jet is a bad combination that often ends fatally. Even highly experienced pilots crash business jets way too frequently. They are a handful to fly and loss of situational awareness/task saturation can overwhelm the pilot very quickly.
They say Munson screamed, cried and pleaded for rescue at an extreme volume as his body slowly burned while he was trapped in the wreckage but fully conscious and thrashing about. "Get me out, GET ME OUT!" his voice echoing as he tried to escape the burning plane but there was nothing anyone could do.
This indicates that Munson was:
1. Conscious: He was aware of his surroundings and situation as his flesh burned for over 4 minutes.
2. In immense pain: The severity of his burns and injuries caused immense and unbearable suffering.
3. Desperate: Munson's loud and persistent cries for help reflect his urgent need to escape the flames.
-"Thurman's cries were a mix of pain, fear, and desperation." - Emergency responder (Akron Beacon Journal, August 3, 1979)
- "Munson's screams were blood-curdling... He was begging for help." (Emergency responder)
- "The screams, the cries for help, it's a sound that stays with you forever." - Jerry Anderson, passenger who survived the crash (Sports Illustrated, 2019)
- "Thurman was yelling, 'Get me out! Get me out!' It was heartbreaking." - David Hall, passenger who survived the crash (New York Daily News, 2019)
- "The plane was engulfed in flames, and Thurman's voice was loud, pleading for help." - Emergency responder (Akron Beacon Journal, August 3, 1979)
- "Munson's desperate cries still echo in my mind." - Witness (Cleveland Plain Dealer, August 4, 1979).
A final hushed and resigned "Help me Dave" were his very last words as the flames engulfed his upper body and began scorching the flesh from his face, his trademark mustache and lips suddenly melting away whilst his eyeballs boiled until they popped. Finally, he inhaled and tasted the putrid toxic flames and fumes and Thurman Lee Munson was released from this life.
He was only 32.
Always say checklist out loud….even if you’re the only one listening.
Lifelong Yankees fan, remember this horrible day like yesterday. Set the Yankees back so much. The Captain.
Yeah, the yanks only won 103 games the next season, champ. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@trent3872 Geezer, ask your grandkid if 103 wins is going backwards. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s too bad munson forgot the checklist. How ignorant can a novice pilot be?? But, I bet his buddies were impressed…until he crashed.
The yanks were above .500 from 83 to 88. By 89, thurmy was ancient history.
You old guys need to start thinking a little more clearly. While you were yanking, your team won 103 games in 1980, the year after thurmy kicked the bucket. In 1981, he was long forgotten. His buds were thinking about money.
One hundred and three wins!!! Go on, keep believing your wet dreams, old man.
Flaps to you, geezer!!!! Hey, isn’t it time to change your colostomy bag?
@@sludge8506Yankees went from 78 to 96 without a world series title. Only a real spaz would downplay the importance of Munson. 😂😂😂
@@trent3872 Only a pathetic fan boy would ignore the simple facts. By the way, a three year old would know losing a great player will hurt a team.
By the way, champ, did you even read my post??
Munson’s accident was so typical of an inexperienced pilot in a difficult airplane. His arrogance did him in.
@@sludge8506 I'm a fan, little boy, have been sick once the late 70s, I'm guessing you were born in 1990, and don't know sh@$& About baseball. You implied that Munson's death had no effect on the Yankees future. You'll probably say the death of Len Bias had no effect on the Boston Celtics of the same era. Quit playing with your mom's phone and get in there and do your homework. You can't fail summer school or you'll repeat.
If you have a chance to fly with a new jet owning pilot, new jet pilot, well you don't want to be doing touch & go's. They tell me it is easy to get behind the work in a jet. That last change to right downwind, probably changed the whole flow. From there Mr Munson was behind, then etxtended downwind. Long low final approaches are another challenge/change. The prior landings/touch n go's were are workout for new jet pilot. Always let a new jet pilot practice pattern work while your on the ground. This was a huge loss for everyone. Passengers were totally lucky to be alive after. Maybe I would have made the same mistakes, but never got to flying jets. I am sure many learned from this accident. Sad event, but worth studying.
He’d been flying for a year but forgot to put the flaps down .. strange . Also if he’d put on the correct restraint he may still be alive today .
I remember this well, it was just before I married my first wife, his mistake was buying the plane, my mistake was marring my first wife. ) : we all make mistakes, don't we?.
This is what I would call a “character “ crash! An accident brought on by the personality of the pilot and/or the paying passengers like in Aaliyah case.
Strong characters or VIP think that laws of physics and aerodynamics don’t apply to them, unfortunately they later find out they were wrong!
Exactly. He didn’t have near enough experience. He thought he was flying some simple Cessna 152.
he wasn't hotdogging... flaps or no flaps seems to be the issue here
Lawsuits. Now you know why airplanes are a hundred times more expensive than cars.
I love that his tail number was his playing number 15 and NY for the Yankees!
This crashed solidified my insistence on always using shoulder straps. Munson would have lived if he had used his.
Depends on the deceleration rate after he hit the tree stump. F = m*a, and a = dV/dt was a very large (negative) number, meaning his head would have violently snapped forward with his body held semi-stationary. Very much like a hanging.
27 years later it happened again. An inexperienced Yankee pilot killed himself. Smh. A lot of sports contracts have specific clauses that forbid doing dangerous shit or even playing pick up games with friends in the off season. That sports team literally owns your body. I'm surprised more teams don't add these "danger of injury" clauses to contracts.
I always thought it was a King Air. Love the details Alec.
Allec, if you are going into air accidents by sports figures, please look into F1 World Champion Graham HIll's crash in the UK. It happened after he retired when he was organizing his own racing team.. From what I've read it was an absolute cluster, including an uncertified aircraft.
RIP Jim Clark 1968 Hockenheim
The AAIB (British NTSB) report is on line. Sad reading....
@@alantoon5708 I downloaded the report (easy to find, search on Graham Hill AAIB, thank you for the tip 💝)and yes, it was a concatenation of events that is true of every crash. The aircraft wasn't at fault though unregistered in the UK--it had been maintained. Poor judgment by Hill flying at night into a private and marginally equipped for conditions field (Elstree) in poor weather at night. There was almost another crash near there that night. He overestimated his ability to deal with the deteriorating conditions, which if he was current with his IFR certification, he might either have been able to deal with or avoid. This is a good one for Allec.
Jet engines take some time to spool up. You can’t get low on final. Pay attention to the vasi lights. If you notice you’re low you need immediate power. I use Thermun Munson to point out how people with money can buy expensive airplanes but they are not professional pilots. This jet is not a toy. Hire a professional to fly with you.
This is why Munson was a baseball player and not a rocket scientist. Totally avoidable. Case of right hand left hand.
Right. Rocket scientists don't make mistakes; just ask Christa McAuliffe.
@@christosvoskresye she was a school teacher
You're trying to imply he was a dumb jock and not bright enough to pilot which if you actually knew anything about him couldn't be further from the truth. But continue to flaunt your ignorance and the rest of us will just laugh at you.
@@christosvoskresye lol
You might want to choose a different "example". 😂🤦♂
It was actually NASA Administration that killed the crew of Challenger. The so called rocket scientist tried to stop the launch.
Fell out of the sky. Stunning. Tragic. Late 80's NZ, Bell 500 hunting copter, and with children enjoy flights across town, the next hour or two headed off into hill country, shoot nets for dear, and caught in down draught, get pushed to ground, copter destroyed, 2 men survive.
Very sad. May Thurman R.I.P.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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Tragically, This accident was caused by not using a checklist and forgetting to apply critical steps... He should have had a checklist and followed it... He also skipped the 2-week pre-flight training course that most people at that flight school had to pass...Too much plane, for someone who had too little experience flying a plane of that type... RIP Thurman Munson...
To large of a head
@@billolsen4360 unfortunately yes.... He should have gone through all of the steps to get to the point of flying a plane like that.... He under-estimated the amount of expertise needed to be able to fly a jet of this type.... He Obviously had no idea of the importance of: Airspeed, AOA, Glide Slope, Decent profile, Thrust effects, How to determine the amount of engine thrust, Single pilot operating capability., Single engine operating procedures, It is almost as if he should have been flying something like a Cessna 150 instead of this plane.... Comparable to a kid on a sand-lot neighborhood baseball team, trying out to go into the Major Leagues.... The ONLY difference between the Kid on the sand-lot team and him; Is Thurman had the money, to get into something that he never should have been into at that stage of his extremely limited aviation experience. Where the kid could have tried-out for the farm teams , but probably would have been cut. So the kid lost an opportunity. Thurman, lost his life by pretending he knew how to fly that plane.... That is where the major problem started... Thurman, never should have gotten into the pilot seat of that plane, that soon.... Sadly, End of story....
Jet airplanes aren't toys, and I'm of the opinion that jets should only be flown by professional pilots not amateurs.
they are toys for the rich
Money does not provide good judgment as clearly demonstrated in this accident.
Sounds like the both the Yankees and the wife found a quick way to make some major free bucks when Munson was the one that actually caused the crash. An aircraft manufacturer can't force somebody to follow the flight rulers, i.e., the checklist (which he never used). Greed takes many forms.
Our N.Y.Yankees. We miss him. Rip greatness Amen 🙏.⚾️⚾️🇵🇷🇵🇷🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸.