A CONSUMER REVIEW - Bretonnian Knights of the Realm on Foot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Warhammer The Old Worlds Kingdom of Bretonnia Knights of the Realm on Foot consumer REVIEW - are the new Warhammer miniatures any good?
I bought, assembled, reviewed and compared a set of Bretonnian Knights on Foot and some of the other knights on foot:
- "Frostgrave Knights" by North Star Military Figures,
- “Foot knights 1450-1500” by Perry Miniatures,
- “Foot Knights XI-XIII century” by Fireforge Games.
I also compared the scale of these miniatures to Bretonnian Men-at-arms, Bowmen, classic Skaven clanrat, Orc Boy and some other clasic miniatures.
00:00 Intro
02:10 Review of the Bretonnian Knights on Foot
11:30 Comparison to Frostgrave Knights by Northstar Military Figures
15:04 Comparison to Foot knights 1450-1500 by Perry Miniatures
17:03 Comparison to Foot Knights XI-XIII century by Fireforge Games
18:57 Scale comparison of the knights
20:33 Scale comparison of the knights and other miniatures
23:16 Transfers rant
23:48 Summary
A bit deeper analysis of design, complexity, instructions clarity, transfers and sprues. If You like what You see - subscribe, like, share and comment! :) - บันเทิง
Great review! Thanks for showing all the different ranges and their comparison of sizes - that was FANTASTIC!
Thank You, I am very happy You liked it :)
While I don't think that there are really that many peices per model, I HATE GW's new style of splitting models down the center or splitting arms in two. It makes kitbashing so much more dificult. I understand that the trade off can be more detailed minis, but thats not always a good thing.
Exactly! I forgot to mention it, but this is part of the problem for me. I guess it's not even the number of parts, it's how they are split - so You are right!
I don't think the reason is wanting to have mode detailed minis. You can put a lot of detail in an arm without splitting it in two. I think the main reason is that GW is creating monopose models using 3D modeling software now, and so the cuts are made in a way to allow the parts to be molded because the modelers are no longer taking into account all the intricacies of the actual production process during their design. This also incidentally makes kitbashing much more difficult, and so forces you to buy GW stuff.
Thank you for the review. I'm tempted to get some Frost Grave Knights and try placing my old left over Knights of the Realms heads on them.
I was actually thinking the same thing :) And thank You for Your kind words :)
The earliest Citadel miniatures were 25mm (foot to eye). They look diminutive next the later 28mm models which would be standard for many years. GW switched to 32mm a few years ago, perhaps on the theory that bigger toys seller better and plastic is very cheap as a production material the cost is not a concern. Though of slender proportion, the Perry miniatures are 30mm; this might have been a good choice as the jump to 32mm is quite noticeable.
theyre easier to paint, can hold more detail and hence look better, thats why theyve done it.
@@necaacen Larger models have more "impact". Massive center-piece models sell very well and the plastic medium puts no constraint on their size (either for cost or the effects of gravity).
Recently, I was looking at the AoS models on display at my FLGS and, quite honestly, they looked overblown, doll-like even.
I prefer more modest proportions. Check out Tom Meirer's Ral Partha elves from the early 1980s. They are a dainty 25mm and have exquisite detail.
If I remember correctly, this switch happened around the time GW lost in court against a 3rd party parts manufacturer, so their switch to a larger scale was probably first and foremost motivated by wanting to cut their competition off, as their parts would be no longer compatible.
@@krinkrin5982 The Chapter House case. It turns out you CAN'T copyright arrows and crosses. It certainly was a factor when it came to breaking the lore and bringing in the plus-sized Primaris Marines and the Age of Sigmar.
However, there is nothing inherently protected about a scale of miniatures. Third-party companies will quickly bring out 32 mm bits and knock-offs to match this new scale or whatever larger size GW move to keep ahead of the competitors, so that can't be the main reason for making larger miniatures.
Very helpful video, thank you for all of the information provided here.
Thank You, I am happy that it was of any use for You :)
I’ve yet to try Perry…. I’m very interested!! They look good. But still don’t scale well with GW??
This is precisely why I prefer metal minis for the most part.
Good video displaying the scale differences between alternative miniatures. While I don't agree with your assessment of the GW miniatures, it can be useful to those looking to save some cash on minis. I do agree with your assessment of the transfers, however. To me, I don't think they hold any value but if they are going to be there, the sheet should have a strong variety available.
Thank You for watching :) I think that with the quality GW is doing, it just could have been so much better. They are not bad though, just annoying to assemble.
Thanks for the I'm depth comparison, as nice as they are, I think I'm might be looking at using other foot knights, maybe wargames atlantic ones since they're releasing their own.
Thank You for watching, please keep coming back for more content :) I can't wait for Wargames Atlantic ones, I love their miniatures.
I actually like the older kits more. I think GW where at there best around 7th and 8th addition warhammer fantasy. The models had good details, lots of custom options, easy to put together and not over designed. A few good examples would be the orc boar boyz and black orcs. I have always been an orcs & goblins faction loyalist so I don’t have much experience with other factions but my brother played high elves and most of their 7th to 8th edition stuff was really good as well.
I totally agree, that's a very good point.
It's laughable that the GW knights are wearing ridiculous looking jousting helms and many of them hold their swords in ways that the medieval fight books expressly tell you not to. 😂
That's a good point, I actually missed that :)
What?! Are you telling me that there are things in Warhammer that aren’t realistic?! My mind is utterly blown. Next you’ll tell me something like the Leman Russ battletank isn’t actually a viable main battle tank design! My reality is now shattered. Shattered I tell you.
Thanks for the helpful review. The frostgrave knights seem to offer the best cost-performance ratio(for my army Perry miniatures are a bit too skinny and non-bretonian in contrast to my highland and older GW ones).
Hope you´ll upload a 9th age battle with these miniatures one day.
Thank You for watching, yes indeed, Frostgrave miniatures are really cool for their cost-performance ratio :)
Really appreciate the size comparison and kit bashing options…..
I am glad You liked it :)
best way to do rank and file modles (imo) is torso with or without seperate legs, arms with weapon options, head. All interchangeable and posable of course.
GWs way is nice for display painters i think, but then again, why would you want 20 of em.
Good point, I agree completely :)
They look good, as far as models go, but they do not really rank up well on the base sizes suggested. They look more like skirmish game figures than rank and flank figures, in terms of poses and hose they fit. They look like warriors involved individually in a fight, very nice looking warriors, but not ones ranked up for a fight.
It reminds me of a kit made for age of Sigmar, you don't get "Great weapons", you get "Two Handed Axes", you get figures that look better as skirmish models than as ranked troops.
In a box, I think the 100 years war figures from Perry Mini's would work great for bretonians, though of course they would look tiny compared to other modern GW figures.
You have to bear in mind that I put them on 20x20 bases. I think they would fit 25x25 (as they are designed to) really well, considering that even on these smaller bases it's doable.
Good review - GW are a miniatures company and this shows.
For gaming figures, your alternatives are great example. I’d also add in Mantic Games though they make limited human figures to compare too
Yes, modern Mantic minis are great quality, I just didn't have any suitable Mantic knights.
I don't like the new scale for GW miniatures, sorry. I prefer 28mm, even "heroic", but not this 32mm or even larger :(
Yes, they are a bit larger than classic GW miniatures. I don't understand where the size creep comes from but it seems a consistent trend. Thanks for watching!
As a bretonnia collector I skipped this kit. I think to make a better foot knight I'm better off converting one way or another.
It's still a pity they kinda wasted such an opportunity. Your voice is the best proof of this.
I think part of the difference is that Games Workshop set is scaled to 32mm, while the others are in the older 28mm scale. They should work better with the 5th and 6th edition models.
The amount of detail on the GW models is both a blessing and a curse. It makes them much better looking when painted, especially if you're not good with freehanding insignia, but also makes the painting process much more time-consuming, and any missed details will annoy you.
I don't think it's about the amount of detail. I have assembled multiple Underworlds and WarCry sets, they have STUNNING models, very detailed, at least level of KotR on foot - and they are much better to assemble.
The axes look ridiculously large 😆
Yes, they do :) Such an axe would weight 15kg. They are not ogres for heavens sake! ;)
GW doesn’t think of casual gamers
That's one of my points. I can do this no problem, I will just be a bit more annoyed than usual :) But if they want to sell these to people who just begin their hobby journey - that's not a great idea.
Those new knights on foot miniatures look more akin to Reiksgard than anything Bretonnia has in their roster. IMHO, Perry Miniatures and Wargames Atlantic make knights on foot that fit better the Brets aesthetic (not to mention more affordable kits as well).
I personally think the aesthetics are fine, I would like more variety and easier build though 🙂
You seen primarily concerned with height. Remember that, in reality, not everyone was/is the same height. A +/-1-3 mm difference in height @28 mm scale, i.e. 1:56 scale, for example, would mean a real-world difference of +/- 56 mm to 168 mm (i.e. roughly 2-6 inches). That is hardly anything to be concerned about given the nature of human height. It would be good to see knightly units with men of varying height.
The real concern is the height to thickness ratio of the minis - this determines the squatness of the figures (short & fat vs. tall & lanky). I am tall and fat, so personally I would look out of place on your gaming board, and in flesh-overflowing armour. I must qualify that statement by saying that I am referring to a plastic miniature version of myself.😁
Great video - the first I have seen of yours. I suggest using a simple scale measuring device on a table/wall with the minis in front of it, taking the video directly above/facing said table/wall. I can see you struggling to align the minis in the take. It doesn't mean I do not like your video, just some advice on sprucing up your production. Plan what you are going to do and ask yourself if there will be any issues when presented in your planned method.
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In the long term for this channel, please be careful and not fall into the trap of bashing (hating on) companies for their choices, you will inevitably alienate some viewers, as can already be seen in the comments section (yeah, I am a comment reader). For example, if you generally only bash GW for their products and mostly praise other companies, you are going to cut _a_ _lot_ of viewers from subscribing in the future. But hey, you do you. I am personally an eclectic viewer, taking both the good and the bad in its various forms, taking in the relevant information and ignoring the clearly biased views. Not that I am saying I am seeing that in your presentation right now, it takes time for presenters to reveal themselves fully.
Good luck with the channel. I look forward to seeing more from you.
Thank You very much for thorough response :) I agree on the height/squatness issue. I mentioned in the video that I am generally a fan of GW - for years. I just personally think this set could have been much better :)
This was exactly the way I felt with Stormcast Vigilors… it just seems over complicated to put the model together… 10 pieces!! For one mini!
And no freedom to put the mini in the pose of your own….
Whereas Frostgrave, Oathmark, Fireforge are for sure no way on the level of detail and quality…. But are far easier and more fun to make due to allowing the person freedom to input their own creativity.
That's a very good point, I agree! :)
7 pieces is not particularly complex in my opinion. Hammerers, which are pretty easy to assemble is 8 pieces each.
That's an interesting point. Maybe it depends on the parts involved - in case of KotR these parts are just tiny. I don't own a Hammerer set so it's hard for me to compare. Still, I am not a huge fan of this trend and I don't understand it. GW makes STUNNING minis in push-fit line (Underworlds miniatures are AMAZING), so why not use this for more sets? I understand bigger models but playing scale modelling with pieces as big as half of my pinky nail? That's a bit annoying :)
I still think its excessive when compared to older kits or kits from other companies, you can make great quality minis without wasting 10x of your customers time in assembly, maybe they want the extra super glue sales 😆
This is true but with hammerers putting the pieces together was easy same with ironbreakers. The issue comes when have to combine tons of tiny pieces.
I want to buy into TOW. but I also do not want to buy into TOW. And from a GW hobby, these knights are absolute win for me. but? seems too High Def to really be game pieces. as a display the immerision breaks. so it's a good looking set I want to do a army of Imperial/Inquisitorial guard, but at the same time... too much work.
I always encourage returning to hobby :)
They need to make their models different from others on the market to justify their markup. Hence, the complexity.
They have a love-hate relationship with Bretonians and get annoyed that other people sub in other models from other company's.
If you want to go to official contests, you need the real McCoy's. Otherwise, you do what you want.
I think the reason behind the end of times was people just buying off ebay or subing in models from other companies.
They had to find an answer to that. So now they are bigger and more complex.
I personally think the reason for the end of old Warhammer was incredibly hard entry - You needed A LOT of minis. I think now it's gonna only be harder for GW.
@PAWNSANDSWORDS There is a lot of competition now making very good models. I personally had two warhammer armies. Went under the bed when they ended it.
Too many pieces? Eh
Highland miniatures.
Their models are much better.
I just painted a mounted knight.
It printed in 3 pieces. Horse, knight, and shield.
That’s it.
No mould lines, no clean up, no assembly. Print and paint. It’s so easy.
Yes, that's true, however I am not that fond of resin, it's very brittle.
@@PAWNSANDSWORDS not true. The new resins out are very similar to injection moulded plastic. 5 years ago when I started printing, yes, I would agree with you.
@@youtubevanced4900 Oh, that's interesting! How do I recognise more resilient resin? I buy resin minis from time to time and they keep being fragile :(
@@PAWNSANDSWORDS I’m currently printing with Anycubic ABS like V2. It remains quite flexible. I’ve dropped a couple things from a sitting position and nothing has broken with this resin yet.
Each of the major brands I believe have a similar product available.
Glad I didn't pick these up now. 80 bucks is to much to pay to be frustrated.
Don't get me wrong, miniatures are good quality. However, putting them together is really a bit disheartening. At least it was for me.
One major issue with how they stack up on the bases is that you put them on 20 mm by 20 mm bases where games workshop has moved towards a 25x25 mm base standard for all foot infantry that are non-monsterous
@@tamethisbeast Please note that I haven't complained about how they stack up on the bases - and this is exactly the reason. I am pretty sure they stack up on 25x25 very well. Even on 20x20 it's doable. So this is not a concern. They are just very annoying to assemble.
This all depends on if you want to enter an 'official' GW tourney as you will need all your mini's to be GW sourced, Note you can substitute in AOS and LOTR mini's although LOTR is smaller 28mm true scale and might look a bit small next to the 32mm scale WHTOW are made in. However if you're not worried about having a full GW army then some of the 3d printed models by Highland miniatures can be an excellent fit. Just make sure you order 32mm size as the 28mm scale will look a bit small.
@@justinbarnes8834 That's an excellent point. Some 3d printed minis are amazing. I am just not a huge fan of resin, because it's very brittle, so spears, lances and swords will get broken a lot.
09:52 - I think the bitter truth is that the hole TOW project is not meant to bring new people into the hobby in any way. its a limited offer to veterans of WHFB, who are a small group with great purchasing power. anyway, nice review!
Thank You! I am super happy that I can share my love for the hobby! :) I really wish GW treated The Old World seriously, it has SO MUCH POTENTIAL!
So GW have given up on selling anything useful for miniatures battles, and just wants to be Hasbro selling toys to kids for Christmas? That's what I get from this.
I actually like Hasbro, they do a lot of useful tabletop gaming stuff :) These models are nothing like Hasbro, they are really advanced models in kinda scale modelling vein.
The sculpting is clean and elegant as always, but the size of those models and their aesthetics seem horrible to me... Especially their aesthetics... There are helmets that look like toys and the choice of designed parts seems very poor to me. They only impose those who like very big things and that's it, but for me they are the worst Bretonnians I have ever seen.
That's a valid point.
The size of the Knights is horrible. Don´t get why these were not sized down for the Old World to fit the older plastics.
My guess is they got used to do everything in larger scale.
I play a lot of Warhammer on PC but i would never support GW directly by buying their figures. If i ever get back into tabletop wargaming i'll buy used or from other manufacturers of minis.
Dude those are incredibly easy to build. I could have built that whole box in the runtime of this video. These are beginner level models and if you can't deal with these then this hobby is not for you.
I respectfully disagree ;) It's not even about how hard it is to build them (yes, they are not very hard to assemble), it's about how time consuming it is. I've been doing this for a long time and I simply don't like this level of complexity for such basic models (infantry unit). Come on, 3 part head for a 28mm infantry model?
GW sell "Easy Build" models that are the beginner level models, some don't even require glue and their older kits like tactical marines are way fewer pieces and quicker to build. This is a much more complex kit with many more pieces per model (unnecessarily so).
Not hard doesn't mean not annoying.
It's the exact reason I haven't touched Old World minis despite adoring Warhammer Fantasy, especially if I'm making whole armies.
Plus they can't be used as easily for as many games, and if you prefer more grounded, low fantasy models than the exaggerated weaponry and height. Personally I prefer to be able to use my minis for as many different games as possible, so that can legit be a dealbreaker for me.
is it your first day assembling GW models? get over it
Wow, as a hobbyist of 30 years, this video comes across as entitled whining.