Weight Comparison | BST Carbons | Dymag | OZ| R1Magnesium | Forged/nonForged Factory Aluminium
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- This is a very detailed and thorough video of comparing weights from different brands and materials. BST, DYMAG, OZ , Yamaha, Aprilia. Magnesium and Forged and non forged factory wheels too
#OZ #BST #Dymag
AS PROMISED in the video following are the Marchesini wheels weights :
Marchesini M10RS top spec wheels is 7.6Kg combined front and back.
Marchesini M7RR top spec wheels weight is 7.7Kg
Still no way near as light as carbon plus Aprilia RSV4 RF Forged Aluminium are still lighter my a small margin
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A summary as I thought it may help people browsing through in (generally) descending order:
2007 R1 Wheels
Front: 4.36kg Rear: 5.44kg
2017 Tuono V4 Non Forged
Front: 3.85kg Rear 6.48kg
2015 R1 Magnesium Wheels
Front: 3.81kg Rear 5.57kg
OZ Piega Forged Aluminium
Front: 3.56kg Rear: 5.68kg
OZ 'Gas' RS-A Forged Aluminum
Front: 3.51kg Rear: 5.28kg
Dymag UP7X
Front: 3.17kg (with Spacer)
2015 Aprilia RF Forged Wheels
Front: 3.09kg Rear: 4.88kg
BST Carbon Front @ HPS
2.63kg (Only 0.06kg off Abhi's measurement, IMO showing a good control in the test)
BST 5 Spoke Carbon Wheels
Front: 2.57kg Rear: 4.15kg
Makes me happy that I have Aprilia forged aluminium wheels!
Mate , I have been meaning to do this for weeks and weeks. Thank you so so much for the effort , I will cut and paste this and put it in the description of the video too mate. Much appreciated... and yes Aprilia forged all the way 😁😁
I have also pinned the comment mate
@@ChasingTenths no problem at all! The least I could do for you taking the time to make the whole video. Albeit the weight of my wheels isn't far off the carbon fibre, the point you made about the mass being all near the hub is a good one and makes me want to try them out now! 👍
@@joesheehan__ stick to the OEM Aprilia wheels mate
They are near enough super light even the OEM discs of Aprilia are 700 grams lighter than the Brembo ORO, Aprilia is an unbelievable out and out race machine
Are they all the same size? Because the difference between the first two rear wheels, and the difference of ten years between them, is for me the most surprising thing about this.
Excellent video as always... I'm really starting to appreciate the kind of rigor you put into your videos. You have a passion for the topics you cover and it's infectious !
That is fabulous to hear this from you . I know how professional you are . Thank you so so much . Really appreciate it. That’s made my day
I was already going to get my wheels and braking components from Bike HPS but even more now. Even by email, they're always very helpful.
I just found them so so helpful and they just went out of their way to help me. Let me know if I can be of any help with any special discount if you need
Highly credible sincere guy. Obviously all-in committed to the sport for the right reasons. Great channel.
Thank you very very much Robert , this comment has truly made my day .
Really appreciated from the bottom of my heart
Would have been good to have had a chart of all the weight to compare them all at the end but good video nonetheless 👍
Thank you mate, I’ll actually add the chart in the description or try to find out a way to add it in the video without taking the video off TH-cam
@@ChasingTenthswould have liked to see all the wheels from the side as well. Curious if I had the same '07 R1 wheels.
Very detailed and informative vid good job man!
Thank you very much Joe, nice of you to comment and appreciate
Mind-blowing video mate, I am very impressed!
Thank you very very much mate
Superb! Loved the whole set up and bloopers too😃👍
Thank you very much
Was an interesting watch 👍
Thank you very much mate
I’ve never given carbon wheels a serious look because it of the cost to weight ratio but a very interesting argument when it comes to them acting as crumple zones!
I am glad you think that way
It’s definitely saved my bacon twice …
2 big crashes , forks weren’t bent , and the front was pretty much ok
Great video! And exactly what I was looking for.
A 12 week wait though but should arrive same time as the nice weather 😁
Brilliant stuff , I am happy for you , in the UK we have a 12 week wait on Carbons too. Do enjoy :)
Big budget video here Abhi, would like to think how much money in wheels sat there in your vlog room. I had dymag tri spoke magnesium wheels on my blade. What a difference to braking and direction change they were. Keep up the good work dude ✊🏻💨💨
Mate those Dymags you got are pretty light and they definitely help with so much. That’s what bike Hps Said too that dymags are proper light but I was surprised how light Aprilia factory wheels are ...., lol and yes it was an absolute mission to get all the wheels together but if it wasn’t for the help of BikeHPS my video wouldn’t have been complete and proper. I really needed some quality after market forged aluminium weighing, and they did that for me
Great video. Thanks for putting this together.
No problem Jonas, I am really happy you enjoyed it and it was useful
Very detailed Good video mate 👌🏼 amazing work 👏👏
Thank you 🙏🏼, very much appreciated
Some great info here. Probably saved a lot of money for a lot of folks too.👍
Thanks John, really appreciate it mate. I just didn’t want everyone to just buy after market wheels unnecessarily if their own wheels are pretty similar unless they are going carbons. Thank you for watching
Got gold BST carbon wheels on my 2018 MV Agusta F4RR, best mod ever done on a bike.
Ooohhh they are even sexier on that bike cause I not only it’s an MV but you have the single sided swing arm too. Definitely they are worth upgrading and it’s high time people start to appreciate the physics behind them . Thanks for watching and commenting mate
Very very very nice video. A chart comparing all the wheel weights would have been awesome. However, I do have a pen and pencil.
Thank you , I think I have pinned a comment with the weights of all of the wheels by a keen viewer
I think in the beginning I deliberately didn’t do it because then everyone comes to the TH-cam copy and pastes data and don’t watch the video . But I think I first comment has all the weights for you
Thank you very much for the in depth videos! New subscriber. I had a 2018 Ducati Panigale V4S with the forged Marchesinis and I installed a Superlite 520 conversion which removed nearly 3 pounds of unsprung rotating mass. I now have a 2019 V4S and am getting the same 520 conversion kit and am also installing the Rotobox bullet wheels. It will be very interesting to see how it handles with the massive reduction in unsprung, rotating mass. I am also curious as to how the suspension will need to be adjusted given the lighter weight of the wheels. Thank you!
You are absolutely on there , you must get the suspension adjusted after that huge unsprung weight loss. I have heard the Rotobox wheels are amazing especially with ceramic bearings option too. Your bike would feel very different after that in a very good way mate. Good choice. The outlining of the Rotobox wheel rim is replaceable and very solid , so even if a tyre changer damages it at least you got peace of mind
Fantastic Video mate and hope you're going ok in this mad world we all live in now. We are all in this Together Stay safe and we look forward to seeing more from you.
Thanks again , really appreciate your comment again. That video was a mission to made during lockdown , asking a company to take all the tires off a day after lockdown opened lol
Great video.. very informative.. i think i know the next upgrades for my bike
Perfect, all about unsprung mass
Brake callipers next please.👍
Std two piece calipers v
Standard one piece cast calipers V
Two piece Brymbo calipers V
Brembo is lower cost cast calipers v
Brembo one peace machine from billet callipers.
Weight is very important as mentioned in this video. Brake caliper strength is also very important so it can maintain its shape and not flex too much under high pressure.
I would love to come across a video that tested hydraulic pressures and strength of construction because these calipers can go into many thousands of pounds. I would hope they are good.
Some very interesting and intriguing points there . The only reason I never weight callipers cause they weren’t Unsprung mass , it’s stationary mass. But if I get a chance , I will certainly do and thanks for your detailed input and comment , highly appreciated
@@ChasingTenths you are most welcome my friend thank you for the information and I look forward to future vids.
To be clear and just to clarify… rotating unsprung mass is the most important. That being the wheel and let’s not forget tyre weight which is also worth looking at.
Then followed by other unsprung weight being calipers, axle & nuts et cetera.
👍👍
ive subscribed just because this video is bloody brilliant.
Thanks Martin, now thinking about it , it was a mission to get all those wheels together lol , but I am glad I did it, thanks for subscribing and watching
New subscriber, thanks for putting out awesome technical videos.
Thank you to you for subscribing and following
@@ChasingTenths I’ve been trying to catch up on your content, almost wish I would have bought an RSV4 instead of my Panigale
@@dancarlos1216 it’s ok Dan, Panigale is an excellent bike i’ve ridden the V4R , the V4SP lately and the V4S and you just need to gel with the bike a little more. A lot of people right off a bike in their head because grass is always greener on the other side , the key is to keep at it , mould the bike around you like a well fitted glove and that Panigale will make you fall in love with it.
Such a helpful video thanks so much for making this
No problem
Glad it was helpful
Thanks for appreciating
Thanks for the test! Very informative.
Ryan Stephenson thank you Ryan, I am so glad it was helpful :) ... thank you very much for subscribing too mate
Great vid as always - I bought some Dymag UP7X back at the beginning of this year and surprisingly enough I prefer the OEM GSXR1000 L8 wheels.
Done loads of days on the Dymags and done a couple of back to back tests and I just feel more planted with thr OEM.
I guess lighter weight wheels just aren't for me so now I use the Dymags as my wets 🙈
Wow that’s very unusual but whatever suits you my friend , well done on that though
I would love to see a new video with some Mavric’s. They seem to be the lightest rims available. Basically tied with BST.
Yes, good point , I would also like to weigh rotobox and thysennkrup but the weight saving compared to performance gained would be very minuscule but it’s a good intriguing video idea for sure
Thank you for the suggestion
🤣🤣🤣🤣 that blooper is tottally worth watching. Thanks for addikg that
Hahaha, I totally forgot about that blooper , lol
Just watched it again myself
Top job a Abhi 🏁
Thanks Steve, very nice of you mate
Another top video sir 😎👍🏻
Thank you Darren, much appreciate it
Another great video!
Thanks Kenny
Very much appreciated
Some very good info right there 👍🏾👍🏾
Thank you very much mate
Nice video. Would like 2 see same size wheels comparison tho. Size matters ;)
Thank you , I didn’t understand sorry , same size as in?
@@ChasingTenths same size rims. Bigger rim=more weight. Or in other words ( rims that support the same size tires).
@@Oneplus-ki2pr ok I understand now, all the rims featured support 190 & 200 rears
tnx for this info . im in the market for new wheels for my new tuono factory ,. i see carbon is what i need , what you reckon , im also riding street ?
@@CunningStuntsGoFast if it’s carbon you are looking for mate then definitely go for BST carbons , they have a lot more flexibility in terms of the material used for street riding , the undulating tarmac and bumps here and there ..
Very interesting and very informative video.
Thank you very much
Enjoyed a lot sir , you got a subscriber
DEADLY noob gaming thanks mate, I really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video
@@ChasingTenths sir , everyone loves a genuine opinion.
DEADLY noob gaming that’s true
I try to keep it real
Great video. Are these wheels interchangeable with different bikes? I mean, can they be swapped around on different bikes as long as you have the bike specific spacers. Thanks.
Changing wheels is all depends like your said if you got the right fitment mate and right spacers. Normally they are bike specific to be honest
i appreciate the detail
No problem
Thank you for watching
Awesome video 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you very much Ethan
Thanks for the video, it gives some good starting points.
With regards to he Piega Gass rear, it is actually lighter than OEM Aprilia forged; the Piega Gass comes and was weighted with sprocket carieer, while the OEM forged wasn't, and that will add about 900gr (without sprocket). But yes not sure the Piega's are worth the extra ££ other then look alone
Good point mate 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
if you have bikes like the v4s or aprillia that comes with forged wheels there no point except for looks to upgrade to any type of forged wheels the weight difference is to insignificant the only difference you will fell from the bike is if you upgrade to forged magnesium or carbon wheels bike like the superlegerra and s1000rr that comes with carbon wheels basically need no upgrades
Patthon Sirilim very well said mate
I agree with you totally
This is awesome for me as I have been eyeing the OZ Gass wheels for a long time and a decent upgrade over the cast oem wheels.
Thanks for the video. I hear stories about carbon wheels breaking. Is there any particular brands or types of carbon wheels better than others? Obviously they're a favourite of yours and you have a choice of any and still use them so they can't be that bad.
to be very honest Steve, I like the normal 5 spoke BST because they have been making that particular one for years and years so I think they have got really good at it but then if you see Dymags and Rotobox , they have a better outer lip which comes out a little more and I think if someone damages the lip , that is replaceable . Carbon wheels are very flexible , they only break on huge impact , which I had at Silverstone but it was a good thing because the wheels destroyed themselves and gave my bike a crumpleZone for impact and nothing else got bent especially forks and all . Carbons is the way forward but only if you start regularly posting time in the fast group. Let me know if you have any questions mate
Chasing Tenths dymags it is!
Brilliant test, can you also do rims weight comparison for classic 1990s race bikes. cbr 900 rr, zxr 750, gsxr. I would greatly appreciate that.
Definitely mate , I know someone with the Fireblade 900 RR , so I'll get you the figures asap and I will research the zxr 750 too
Boy is that statement about the Ducati Panigale V4s misleading and absolutely incorrect, you have to set up its management system correctly, then hang on! It’s the most incredible motorcycle of my 54 years experience, absolutely exciting to experience. Most pleased with my 2020 Panigale V4s/Akrapović full exhaust.
Which statement mate?
Just for the sake of it, the OZ GASS RS-A is weight with rotor-adapters, the dymag is not. Not comparrible.
thank you
dope one bro. :)
Thank you mate
would you advice to upgrade a tuono v4 non forged wheels to Aprilia forged wheels or carbon fiber wheels on a tuono factory model 2019 ?
Aprilia forged RF wheels are amazingly light
Don’t go for carbon for that Tuono unless you can afford carbons with ease then buy carbons but RF wheels are stunningly light
If the bike is used mainly on the roads then RF forged wheels are absolutely brilliant .
@@ChasingTenths thanks
OZ Racing Cattiva RS-A Front Wheel Weight: 6.06lbs , 2.75 kg
OZ Racing Cattiva RS-A Rear Wheel Weight: 10.25lb, 4.65 kg
Thats for a BMW SK1
Thank you very much for this crucial information, its very helpful
Nice!
Thank you 😊
Its weird the magnesium r1 wheels are hevier than the rsv4 rf ones?? Magnesium is 30% lighter than aluminium
I actually spoke to Yamaha tech about it at a race meet once
They said that Yamaha had to compensate for pillion passenger weight, road bumps and all sorts of circumstances which might happen on road so they deliberately made the wheels too too robust than they needed too. Yamaha hadn’t put magnesium wheels on their bike since the old racing days so they were really being extra careful hence they ended up being heavy.
I personally think they should gone for forged aluminium but it was a great selling piece for them in 2015, people really bought the whole magnesium wheel thing . To be honest it’s excellent of Yamaha to do something different than others
@@ChasingTenths appreciate the reply and the insight, thankyou very much...you learn something new everyday 😊 awesome vid keep up the good work bud
@@sashadrain6369 thanks Sasha, thank you to you for watching the video properly and patiently and noticing little details like that 👏🏽👏🏽
For a 2018 YZF R1 what would be the best forged aluminum wheel ?
Oz & Dymag are both amazing
Dymags are more common but both are absolutely excellent
Hi, does bst rapid wheels need balancing while install?
Yes they definitely do mate
nice!!
@@ts03227648 thank you
Thanks for the vid, but ceramic vs steel bearings means nothing in this weight context
Absolutely it means nothing I agree, it’s a very very tiny minuscule weight difference , I just had one with ceramic , one without, so I just decided to mention it in the video
Video doesn’t really show a whole lot considering a lot of the wheels are stock/oem wheels
I compared all the stock wheels of various era and brands to the most lightest and “popular” versions of dymags, OZ, BST. I approached the UK’s biggest retailer a Day after the first lockdown opened and asked them for details of the best selling ones in U.K. there’s no point me comparing wheels which are siting on shelves & don’t get sold or aren’t commonly used. It was about a clear weight difference between stock & most popular sellers. I am just slightly gutted I didn’t have access to Rotobox or Thyssenkrupp carbons but then again these aren’t as commonly sold than the BST carbons I showed with or without ceramic bearings in the video.
Why are you weighing spacers? They don't rotate
Hi mate, good point but I had to keep it fair for all the wheels
Because BikeHPS weight the wheels with spacers and I had spacers in all the wheels so I weighed it with them . So it’s equal for all of them
@@ChasingTenths thanks, nice comparison test to consider for tuning/upgrades
@@hrsjohnny really appreciate it mate thank you 🙏🏼
It’s all part of the unsprung weight.
6061 Aluminum Alloy Composition by Mass %[4]
Al Mg Si Fe Cu Cr Zn Ti Mn Remainder
95.85 - 98.56 0.8 - 1.2 0.40 - 0.8 0.0 - 0.7 0.15 - 0.40 0.04 - 0.35 0.0 - 0.25 0.0 - 0.25 0.0 - 0.15 0.05 each, 0.15 total
very interesting that , thanks for sharing the figures
I think virtually all metals used in manufacture have similar chemistry, in that they are all alloys.
nice video~
Thank you very much :)
What about the moment of inertia?
Excellent point . I do a very detailed video on carbon wheels where I mention all various physics movement forces action on wheels motion . Check the video out hope you like it ... and if I forgot to mention something then please do let me know, I love physics and love to learn too th-cam.com/video/NLj-qoi9xBg/w-d-xo.html
Thumbs up Abhi
Thank you 🙏🏼 very much
But witch is cheaper
The aftermarket forged aluminium wheels are slightly cheaper than carbons
greaaaaaaaaaaattt videoo!!!!!
Thanks Adrian, I need better intro ;)
OZ for the street and Rotobox or BTS for track
@@Taste_Budz that’s a good shout , I think you meant BST
Can one be sent to india?
Do you mean carbon wheels ?
@@ChasingTenths yes carbon fibre ones, i am thinking to make my apache 160 4v 2021 lighter as possible , i am looking to get one carbon fibre swingarm for it too
Tell me the cost?
@@KrazykoolSaurabh138 I don’t think anyone is manufacturing carbon swingarm for most bikes , swingarm needs to have a certain amount of flex which carbon swingarm lacks , hence even in the BMW hp4 race which was a £65,000 bike, they didn’t put carbon swingarm , they only had a carbon chassis with different density of carbon at various points.
If I were you I would keep the swing arm normal as it’s a stationary mass and it’s hard to get that swingarm in carbon , I would say impossible even and try to reduce unsprung mass (moving parts lighter)
Speak to BST carbons in South Africa if they produce wheels for your bike as in U.K. this bike isn’t there and I haven’t seen carbon wheels that size in U.K.
i hope you find the relevant wheels as it makes a massive difference
You can also have lighter sprocket and chain, I have made a video on it.
And also any moving nuts and bolts made of titanium would also help with weight , you can get them on eBay
@@ChasingTenths Much appreciated 🙏🤝
Magnesium wheels are actually too rigid for the street because they end up cracking.
Yes, Yamaha were over cautious about the re introduction of mag wheels from racing to street so they over engineered them for anti corrosion & pillion & bumps etc so these wheels ended up being heavier than Yamaha wanted them to be
Good information, but your presentation is all over the map. Stay focused, stay concise. It is difficult to watch and twice as long as it needs to be.
Thanks for the constructive feedback Kevin , much appreciated , will definitely try to work on somethings , my recent videos are a bit better but I totally get your point.
You should be measuring the same style rim pattern in the different materials all the rims are going to weigh differently as some are thick spoked and some are more than half the thickness it's a terrible way to compare rims unless they were identical
The aim here was to mainly show different in types of metals and composites
I did what I could in the time of extreme lockdown
Everything was closed
It was so difficult to source any wheels
But my main aim was just to show that if you have forged on your bike then they are ok
Don’t look for gains in tiny grams
But yes if you have cast wheels then you can buy carbons
R1 2007 alloy wheels lighter weight than 2015 magnesium RN32? gee...its not a progress, its a step back
I think Yamaha were being very conservative with their manufacturing process, they could have made it lighter but it was the first time they were using magnesium on wheels on a production motorbike which needs to deal with rear passenger , pot holes and bumps etc, so that’s why they seem heavy , it was a good marketing exercise for them but in practical measures it wasn’t as light as it sounds
@@ChasingTenths they used 98% magnesium a lot, including the frame...but the weight difference among alloy and magn is not so big, but the strength is they were directing on
@@klesarhr-bz5of yup well said mate
Needs more bmw hp forged wheels
I wish I had the Suzuki gsxr forged , they are supposed to be very similar to Aprilia , BMW are definitely heavier mate , my mate has the HP4 and he measured them last year for me. The new BMW Msport 2020 carbons are made by BST , they are lovely and light
Chasing Tenths yeah mate there lovely when they crack lol, mate works for bmw and the amount of warranty claims is not pretty, bmw hp wheels are among the strongest wheels.
I’ll trade off a few grams for strength I’m not Rossi so I’m sure I won’t feel a few grams of weight along with 95% of us 😂😂😂
Oh god... magnetic dust in your eyes... hope you got it all out!
Mate, I couldn’t see for about an hour properly , washed washed washed for ages, that’s why you see the lighting in the video changes cause it went dark as I was filming it cause I had to take a break . Couldn’t bloody see
@@ChasingTenths 😬😬😬 damn, I'd be way too paranoid to take an MRI scan after that. Have you spoken to your GP about it?
Skip to 5:40 the rest is advertisements and rambling
Lol good one ☝️😂
Dump the "pounds" reading.
It's obsolete.
None of these wheels are even made in countries that are not metric.
I have to include it mate because 40 percent of my audience are in America and then majority rest in U.K. and some in india and Asian countries.
I only do it for the ease of viewing for everyone.
220hp? Hold my beer
😂😂😂
Yet another example of how Aprilia makes the best bikes.
Dave you are absolutely spot on mate , I did another video after this dismantling a lot of the other parts , Aprilia discs and other parts were much lighter than Brembo etc etc
Please though, anyone going to a regular track day or non-world-class race event just don't run these. You're going to get chipped by the machine and it's going to grenade
You mean don’t run carbon wheels because they are unsafe or not worth the money as talent is gold?
@@ChasingTenths both, really, but safety first! Chip failures a real problem. Tbh, traction control is gold 🙄
@@greengoat5654 aahh ok
Understandable. From personal experience I’ve never had any issues safety wise in endurance racing U.K. but everyone has their own experience so I understand your comment , have you had a carbon wheel fail on you ? … and yes I totally agree , money towards coaching and tyres goes a long way than carbons
@@ChasingTenths I'm more basing this off Honda's catastrophic failure with carbon wheels. Either way, carbon is incredibly weak to chip failure and as a person who has changed tires for race events, we're not exactly gentle with your wheels, I have a lot of tires to change. Also considering you can buy an ovale for the cost of a set of most carbon wheels, yeah, definitely better places to invest your money
@@greengoat5654 I’ll be honest with you , we work with Pirelli directly here in the endurance racing in U.K. and they are super mindful about carbon wheels and take super extra care. Personal , after a full season and 4 years in all I haven’t had a single issue and every 2 years I got them X ray’d by a specialist. But as mentioned, everyone’s experiences are different and definitely for a intermediate to early fast group rider money couldn’t spent elsewhere
ALOE-MINIUM...? LOL It's pronounced A-LUMINUM
Your English looks indian
Because I am Indian mate :) ... been in U.K. for 18 years now
@@ChasingTenths thanks man
2 minutes of the vídeo is wasted time...
Sorry Marcos , sometimes an intro about how the video will be carried out is helpful to explain others, I do think I could have made the video shorter , something for the future. thank you for watching
Interesting video. I’ve watched it a few times now. I’m seriously looking at carbon wheels but would love your opinion on BST vs Rotobox. I’ve noticed the Rotobox has metal rim strips to add strength.
Do you have experience?
Can you compare?
I’ve subscribed now so I’m expecting results
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Hi Brett, thanks for the lovely comment and following.... sorry for the late reply , some comments slip through the net. I have only heard one hour story of Rotobox in Portugal but to be honest I can't condemn a brand one one failure. But I think BST and Thysenkrupp wheels have had some amazing response, I think BMW and Ducati both had huge contracts with BST to make wheels for their top bikes too. So BST are doing something right , I have no affiliation with any of these companies but the steel lining in the rotobox is definitely for strengthening and it makes a lot of sense. My heart still says BST cause of their experience and Thysenkrupp cause its German technology.
For a 2019 ZX10R what would be the best forged aluminum wheel?
The Oz GASS-RS-A are very light.
Are you in U.K. ?
www.ozmotorbike.com/en/wheels/gass-series/gass-rs-a-series/gass-rs-a-rear
No. What’s is difference between those and the Piega series?
@@ApeZX_Assas10n the GASS series is a direct clone of the world Superbike wheel
But made slightly stronger to deal with road conditions
It’s the lightest wheel they have ever made