Hardcore Is The VANILLA Experience We DIDN'T Get In 2019 | Classic WoW
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In a short space of time, Classic Hardcore's release has brought a ton of new life to where World of Warcraft began all that time ago, and in many ways it feels like a more authentic Vanilla experience than what we got on Classic WoW's release in 2019.
This is why Hardcore Is Classic As It SHOULD HAVE Been In 2019
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2019 was better
@@TeddyBelcher4kultrawide jigsaw 2020
@@TeddyBelcher4kultrawide2019 was A LOT better… hardcore is fun, but WoW without wpvp isn’t real WoW
Note you're wrong, there is botting going on and gold selling (the email spammers for gold and boosts have started to show up in my mail boxes in game). One of the Major Sweaty Guilds in NA has been accused by several people of playing market manipulation thru banning other players as they may be in control or in cohoots with gold sellers/bots on the site as they have reported several other folks using the AH for selling stuff enmasse (200+ reports against an individual within 2 minutes of each other all by members or alts of members against a single person).
I honestly hate levelling but hardcore has somehow made it so much more fun for me. I am more focused instead of braindead and I enjoy taking my time to enjoy the scenery/music. It is really the classic experience for me and I love vanilla wow so much. I advise someone to give it a serious shot if they are not sure. I was against hardcore but I am really enjoying it!
Same. It's been pretty laid back and relaxing. But you watch for people pulling near you 😆
I am the opposite, i loved leveling but raiding always felt like a toxic enviroment with so much focus on logs now.
It's basically playing poker for pretend vs playing with real money. There's much more thrill when there is something to lose.
I can only recomment using the VoiceOver AI addon for just relaxed leveling
Dont go to elevators or if u do, be very careful@@spencerrex7531
As a priest it feels good giving out Fort buffs knowing it could make a big difference. I really appreciate how this mode really gives you the opportunity to be a hero by saving someone you see has pulled one too many mobs. Can really see the difference between players that are brave or cowardly. I am having a blast. I am leveling three characters all still under lvl 20 but no deaths so far.
literally I have been saved by a Fort buff
Can you give me one please?
Priest here too and I love helping people! But sometimes I have to run because people pull too many in my direction 😆 it's been fun. And now seeing people reach lvl 60 as an announcement is pretty cool.
wow no death, you're a hero
Thank you!
I don't play hardcore but I'm so happy for everyone that does. Any Classic WoW like this is good for all of Classic and I can't wait for the next season of Classic (that they aren't calling SoM).
Honestly if they found a mid-ground for the next Seasonal servers it would closely emulate the feeling of Hardcore. Maybe not experience loss (that feels BAD) but maybe something like having your character take an hour to spirit resurrect (so a helpful player could resurrect you faster) might assist in the 'feeling' that you should play carefully.
biggest issue with classic that sucks the fun is the nerds that min/max and nothing else
@@andromidiusWe don't even need that. Just make the open world more challenging, so people are incentivized to group up. That's it
@@whatever85x minmaxing is fine. the problem is people with unchecked egos going absolutely ballistic on others regularly.
Nah the problems is bots.
I died at level 23 on my hunter, and currently on my 2nd hunter at level 16. Its a lot of fun and i learned from my mistake the hard way! Hardcore adds a thrill to the game that is like no other
I died at 27 from the fkn satyrs in Ashenvale. They put a 3 min curse that randomly stuns you for 5 sec and it can proc twice in a row. It just wasn’t fair.
What did you learn?
number 1 tip from a fellow hunter, remember to level you defence skill against low level mobs when it get 25-50 skill points behind your current cap
I main hunter for years but wouldn't make one for Hardcore because it's not even a challenge. If you die your just bad.
That's what someone who hasn't played hardcore would say@@EvilSt0ner
Got all the way to nearly 30 and died, thought that was it and it was fun to try but not for me. Found myself rerolling the next day. It's just such an incredible experience, it's what I've always wanted from MMOs that nothing since real classic WoW and even older games like EverQuest have given me, this feeling of any of the game before raiding actually mattering and the feeling of community and actually helping each other out.
It’s addicting
I’ve hit 40 so many times over the years and it didn’t matter at all in the grand scheme.
Hit 40 last night and peeps were gz’ing in the g chat… made it feel like it was an actual achievement for once (and you know - it is because man we had some hairy moments getting there).
Definitely sticking around. If my char dies, I already know what I’m rolling next. HC is more fun than anyone might expect.
Congratulations on 40. I'm
🎉👏
When people hit 60 there is an announcement which is also pretty cool. Good luck
I'm enjoying it a lot. HC does enhance the RPG elements of Classic a lot, investing time to level up professions and preparation feels very rewarding. Scaling has kind of ruined retail for me, you dont ever feel in danger, or the power of your characters growing. Classic and HC is so much rewarding in that way. and damn.. since the dungeons now have lockout, getting that Stinging viper or other memorable weapons feels so much better now.
The happiness of seeing friendly faces again as you level and the satisfaction of memorable (for the wrong reason) names popping up on the deathlog addon are equally enjoyable. I'm loving WoW again, it feels like I'm playing it for the first time all over again
i'm completely floored that such a simple change has made it feel THIS new and exciting. it's a blast :D
You could have played it that way all the time. Just delete your character when you die.
@@miriamweller812it’s different when the entire realm follows HC rule
Coming back after several years. It’s crazy how everyone looks out for each other now. Rarely do people run by and not throw out buffs, or even when someone looks to be in trouble, usually people spring in to action to help.
@@miriamweller812 watch the video...
a buddy of mine started with hardcore on SoM, having never played wow before beyond the retail free trial. Crazy to me how his first experience is such an intense one, but as many times as he's died he just keeps going again
I'm in a similar situation, it's fun.
"I've braved the Fargodeep mine, defeated the blood fish at Jerod's Landing..."
I've been LOVING hardcore. Slowly chipping away, hit level 28 last night. I've actually ignored the new retail patch in favor of it. Currently farming mobs in hopes I can get a crimson whelp drop before I outlevel them.
me too, retail is just a brainless dungen grind and weekly free chests. Got to a point where I don´t feel its worth my free time any longer.
I'm loving my hardcore journey. Having not played in a decade lead to lots of mistaken deaths early on but it's been 10 days since I lost anyone.
Alive: 22 Priest, 19 Warlock, 12 Paladin, 10 Rogue, 10 Druid
Dead: 14 Warlock, 10 Druid, 8 Warlock, 8 Druid, 6 Warlock, 6 Druid
I can't imagine hardcore not having caused some aneurysm already...
I enjoyed Classic and I did feel like I went home again. However, I believe I'm enjoying Hardcore even more. I'm not sure why. Maybe because it requires patience and caution. Of course I may still lose my character, which might negatively affect my experience.
Had my first death finally. Level 32 Pally. I was in a group working on the elite quests in Wetlands. We tried to take on Balgaras but we scuffed the pull and had too many adds. I had most of my oh-shit buttons on cd - I bopped the rogue and just couldnt get away. I will say - If you are buying gear for your character and can't quite equip it yet - send it to a bank alt until you can so you don't loose it or waste your gold if you die.
Good advice
HC is awesome. It brought me lots of memories from 2005
Haven't played classic since it originally came out, but level 32 and going strong still !
I would give it a try if the grind didn't take so long or rewarded ways to shorten the grind later. Like ways to increase your experience gains as you level via professions. For example, experience flasks made by alchemists, experience belts made by armor crafters and experience belt enchants made by enchanters. Imagine that you could get a 50% bonus that way, and better version of the gear or consumables could be made granting better stats but maintaining the same experience buff.
Additionally, if you hit 60 with warrior for example, you get an BoA tabard for any warrior you make on that account that grants a 50% xp bonus. So if you die after hitting 60, you could go back through on a new warrior with a 100% bonus with the tabard, progression gear and consumables. Also if you could permanently increase the experience bonus on your tabard by 25% the first time you down each raid's final boss on that class.
I’ve been LOVING hardcore. It makes every little thing you do so much more meaningful. Hitting 6 copper to make the boots I needed on my paly was so satisfying cause I’m looking for every little increase in armor I can. Buffing every random player you see cause that 30 attack power could potentially save them from having 100s of hours go down the drain. And caves are SCARYYY
HERE BEFORE THE BALD MAN REACTS
Who?
@@IForgetYourNameasmongold
get a life
I'm here from the future. It was a good reaction video and he even links this one
@@luckyluc9972wow. incredible effort from bald. hit Ctrl c AND v
Lost my first toon at 19, currently have a 20 warrior, 14 rogue hunter pally and 10 mage priest going. I’m an altacholic
Get a banking character you can send gold and other values to. It can give you a small boost when making a fresh character (instead of losing all your money) and you won’t have to run back to the auction house all the time to buy/sell.
Everything is so meaningful. The world is so alive. People say “stay safe” “take care” it’s amazing
I do a lot of rerolling but I'm not so sure other people bounce back as easily. A lot of people are PISSED when they die (we can all relate). After a few deaths I tried going to a regular server but it just felt like nothing mattered compared to hardcore. I wonder if other players don't have that same issue.
Im a new player and currently playing both modes. My normal character is ahead though to scout content and mechanics and dungeons. Also I am a PvPer so BGs and world pvp is sorta a must for me so thats why I prefer norms.
@@borlonto2771same i enjoyed bg so much sad they didnt incloud that to hardcore.. bg deaths wouldnt count.. and it wont give xp such an easy fix!
Yeah that issue is real, this video and all the comments came from the hype at the start of HC and we can all relate, it was amazing, really the best adventure i had on WoW in mi life and i loved it, BUT i died first at 19, went again and died at 36, im just not starting again, i would tho, but i dont want to enter a spiral of tries till i get bored or the server dies (or i just left behind the rest of my life) it was such a delightful adventure but for me its an end, im still mourning my character.
Almost died in fellwood yesterday at 55 and boooooi was my heart beating. HC is phenomenal
Hardcore isn't enough and it isn't for everyone, what we really need is Classic+
the fact death is permanent has brought out the more extreme parts of the community Both good and bad
And i love it it makes everything more alive and the fact lots of people help eachother without getting ANYTHING from it shows that not everyone one is an asshole
Hardcore made death matter, which makes everything else have an impact. Just like in EQ1. Death was a huge deal.
my two highest deaths are lvl 18 & 19, quite crushing and i moved them to era realms and play a while but the feeling isn't quite the same, someone said hardcore is the only way to play and it's stuck in my head...
I havent been this excited over wow since I started playing in 2006.
I'm in love with Hardcore. I'm on my fourth attempt. I had a Ret Pala, died at 18, then a Warrior, died at 22, then a Rogue, died at 13 (I know, bad luck on a pull) - then I'm a Warlock and I fucking love it. Level 18 and couldn't be happier just dotting stuff and watching Blueberry tank it all.
Hardcore WOW is my favorite game in a long time. The only game out there right now where your gains mean anything. When you see someone with a mount, any mount, its impressive. I freaked out seeing a gnome with a mechanostrider today.
"Servers always eventually sort themselves into alliance and horde servers". Grobbulus sends it's regards.
leveling wow was about trying to be social and helping each other ... but as i see hardcore is about trying to survive even by leaving ur group in a tough situation... because the gold is to stay alive not to learn to cooperate ... but generally i understand ur point...
I was so thankful I had the opportunity to run Karazhan again. It really was my most favorite raid ever.
Now that it's over, I've moved on to private servers where running Kara again is a real possibility.
A TBC server? Kara is also my favorite.
i have second attempt on Priest - first death at 48 - hope to finish it now 40 and counting
My wife, who never plays games, has started playing hardcore with me and it's fucking amazing 😊
Tuning a duo with my twin. Currently level 26 Priest/Hunter. We strictly play when both are on. So far so good 7th character I think? 😂
😂
The biggest thing I wish the devs could have replicated was the original bugged C'Thun. Nobody ever beat him back in the day. But modern day raiders are so much better. I truly believe they could have done it.
I just dinged 30 on my pally. I lost my 23 rogue saving my brothers warlock. He is 35, so I almost caught back up. We are rocking on skull rock.
As a Paladin, grab Switness potions. Bubble and use pot. Will save your ass countless times.
@Joker9331 usually when I die it because I had to many beers or I'm debating politics in lfg chat 😀
My favorite and also least favorite thing about hardcore is that it took only having one life for people to slow down and enjoy the game. That being said, I give it another month or so before there's enough bots with enough gold to fund the gdkp scene.
I’m out of the loop. What is that? GDKP
@@ElCapitanGamesgold dragon killing points. You bid with gold for items.
@@SleddogHusky and gold is just money now. So you bid with money for items?
@@ElCapitanGames basically, yes
@@ElCapitanGames instead of rolling for loot in a pug, you instead bid gold on items. seems okay assuming the gold was gotten through legitimate means, but people are dropping absolutely unreal amounts of gold on items. it props of real money trading of gold and incentivizes the botting of it as well.
I missed out on the classic relaunch, but I'm tempted to jump in now. I had a "Hardcore Orc Warlock Solo Rage Fire" basically speed run that I'd used to attempt over and over that I never finished I think I want to get going again. Oh and the other 99.99% of the game.
i'm lvl 42 on my first HC Character and did just bought mount for it :)
A lot of the points raised could’ve been avoided if it wasn’t for the “no changes” mentality due to the eroded trust in Blizzard. A big one here is the “mega” servers. You wouldn’t see as many well geared chars runnings around with a standard vanilla sized realm. The fake latency issues “spell batching”, melee leeway and the whole world buff meta could’ve been avoided entirely. If only they had the guts to put in more restrictions on world buffs. I remember a lot of burn out from players that would do this. Then on top of this the crazy amount of warrior stacking at end game. All issues that were obvious from data taken from private servers and their own damn history. It’s great that hardcore exists, but it’s not how wow should’ve been because WoW isn’t a hardcore game.
Lost my lvl 10 mage in loch modan to a elder black bear, went agane and is now a 39 Druid absolutely terrified of every quest in higher lvl zones. I LOVE IT
I think the permanent death is counterproductive. I feel like a temporary debuff would have been better. Maybe 2-3 day debuff with -50% stats. Permanent death risk is way too much, will stop people from doing interesting stuff, trying out new things and just having fun overall.
If you're not liking SoD, HC, honestly very low pop. BUT, even so, it's still pretty fun. Just find a leveling guild, most people are super friendly. Only been playing 2 weeks. my first and main character is a lvl 26 warrior.
I died today at level 50 on my druid, because I had to go afk for 10 seconds while me and a hunter were killing some elite trolls. Shame to get so close, but I've had so much fun on classic HC, it really doesn't matter anyway. Sooner or later, everyone dies!
We get, p1 was blast.
Everyone was so hyped, we had everything spell cleave, melee cleave, normal groups, quest leveling, group leveling.. ect.
WoW Hardcore is in stage p1,where everyone is still hyped and not tired of playing smae zone for 5th time because his toon die.
do not say will be bad just wanna see how will go for few months not few days.
One huge thing this video missed is the fact that there is no world pvp possible. For many of us, this is a big part of what makes the world feeling alive. So no, this isn’t necessarily what we wanted in 2019.
Ur mad If u want pvp always on in hc servers
@@christinaasmich947 That's not what I said tho
I'm very interested to see if I'm still motivated to play after my first death when it comes. But it's been really fun so far.
I was worried about that too. The way I am defending against this is to level three toons simultaneously. That way, if one dies, it won't feel like I lost 100% of my progress. As a bonus, the various professions support eachother and they send each other greens.
@@JediTony81had the same idea like this u can use the leveling professions for somthing
This time is so enjoyable guys.
I agree this feels far more like vanilla. Genuine fear when wondering around.
If someone isn't developing a full hardcore MMO from the ground up, they absolutely should be
Lets just say that I am very familiar with every single thing in Teldrassil now.
We spent almost 20 years training for this moment.
all the issues you're speaking of are caused by younger players. people over 30 tend to just want to play our old favourite.
Oh Wille just wait it’s just starting already found my first bot give it 3 months before “IS blizzard gonna FIX this” or “ARE bots getting OUT OF CONTROL”
Hardcore up to 60 sounds fine. But what if it wasn’t hardcore at max level? Or like. Still hardcore. But dying in dungeons or raids doesn’t count? Or does that take the fun away?
HC is a waiting room for fresh. Blizzard knows how to milk fanboys.
The good ol' sweaty days of dungeon leveling with 3 mages/lock/priest 😂
Never had so much exhilaration playing a game.
Nothing like 100s of hours of grinding on the line to get your blood pumping 😂
35 shaman on stitches , still leveling peacefully , great thing i know the game and the class by Hearth, but no ank IS a strange sensation
Video actually starts at 3:20
I would say that min-maxing also isn't going to matter at max level. There's going to be a few hardcore, intense raiding guilds sure, but any other guild that raids semi-casually is going to take who they can get. And if one player dies, the priority is going to be filling the spot with ANYONE rather than the absolute perfect race/class/spec.
PLEASE go back to timestamping your sponsers. aside from that, another top notch video :)
I just said in general chat the other day how hardcore really feels like it did for me in 2004/5
Kuther
lvl 23 Paladin
Defias Pillager server
Hardcore is nice and a lot of fun for now… but nowhere near as awesome as 2019 classic was. Not by far… and that’s because we had wpvp back then. Oh my god those first two phases in 2019 was such an amazing time! Everyone was more or less at the same gear lvl and the world was alive with massive skirmishes and awesome 1v1s. WoW Classic without pvp is just half the fun… and no i don’t mean ganking or camping. But real wpvp. Most people now cry about those phases and people that aren’t into pvp probably had a bad time, but those people just should have stuck to pve servers 😁
Willie, do you prefer Classic Hardcore or WOTLK Classic?
The issue with the original WoW was that it was too soft. EverQuest had XP loss and corpse runs where you could get killed on the run and lose even more XP. Hardcore WoW is too extreme for an MMORPG since a lag spike can make you lose your character. This is not enjoyable for most players. I did hardcore characters in D2 and D3 but it was not a popular playstyle even in those games that are a lot faster paced in progression. Most people who loved WoW were casuals and new players who did not appreciate the hardcore gameplay of EverQuest or Ultima Online. WoW was not designed with permadeath in mind especially the raid content.
Why don't we just do this in non-hardcore then? Have a fresh server with this mindset and it'll be perfect.
Best game I've played in a while. 18 Warlock.
One-life policy makes loads of games extra immersive and fun. I absolutely hate MMO's because of meta&optimisation>immersion, however I respect them and the players that play them. And when everyone has the best gear and everyone has the best mount, then nobody has those things so it makes it very unappealing to me. This, however, is amazing. I am a sucker for 0 deaths in gaming and seeing some long term survivor in a game such as WOW is really amazing. It almost makes me want to play it. :D
Played RotMG for a time. That prepared me for hardcore WoW pretty well. Still devastating to lose my poor rogue at lv13. I'll outpace him soon, but damn.
Hitting level 20 (undead mage) felt surprisingly accomplished.. not a HUGE amount of close calls but enough to realize that getting to 60 is unlikely..
I think it could actually be better, by having 1 life per reset or month, and if you die all progress of that week or month is lost. All items, all exp you got and then died deleted. The Char gets reset to the last save week... Would still mean that the world is full, but more at any level range. And almost everyone would play multiple chars with playing save having still a huge impact. At least thats my take, but for those that enjoy hardcore please just have fun = )
Having played the official HC and private server ones I must say blizzard could learn one thing or two from the unofficial ones that looks like it's made from people who plays the game and for the people who likes WC.
No auction house, the trade could only be made with people that have a max of 5 levels of difference and you could trade with someone from the other faction if you find one on the fields. Same apply for groups yeah sorry your lv49 friend can't help you anymore if you are lv15.
Some tweaks on abilities. The game was not designed to play with 1 life or wipe in mind back then so you need to readjust some things and some abilities here and there from every class not a lot just friendly quality of life tweaks that make sense or to combine certain masteries in 1 spec tree to have better sinergy.
Another nice thing is that if you reach lv60 you get a mount as a reward and became immortal (you can't wipe anymore) so now you can raid till you heart contents with other people that also survived tha challenge. It's the nice little things
“Sinergy”
When the middle of the bell curve starts raiding will be the make or break point for HC servers.
Honestly I wouldn't dare go further than BWL with a HC 60... :D
If you are considering playing HC, then join us! It is simply exhilarating! Ignore the whiners, and the haters posting their bs. Skull Rock alliance zones are packed night and day with mostly good people (always a few magat exceptions).
i died two times with my level 25 warri one time by the quest in Stone Talemounten sadly i watched ur viedo after this dead :D and second in SFK by a ninja pull at the worgs. Now im Level 32 Human Warri ofc Human and going strong get revanced in SFK and also already entered the BFD. I really wanna see me and my boys in level 60 Stratholm sweating our ass of. THX for ur Video
Pretty happy i can´t die I´m just level 1 in Elwynn again but that okay start agana
I've been seeing a ton of vids about classic WOW lately, but I'm a bit confused.
Is Classic "Vanilla" or is Hardcore "Vanillia" or is there a specific type of server that is "Vanilla"?
It seems hard to tell, at least to me.
Vanilla usual means game with no expansion, max level 60
There is currently three wow version soon to be four
1) Retail current last expansion
2) Classic started from vanilla and slowing releasing expansions (currently at 2 expansions)
3) Classic hardcore, vanilla content only to 60 but each character has only one life
4) classic season of discovery, some kind of classic vanilla +
6:13
Let’s implement that it took 6 hours 😂
Defias pillager horde side is already dead… 3 weeks after release.
My paradise
Just died at level 18 😢
HC WoW is fun but not long term for me. Internet can go down sometimes and that happening once at any encounter is deadly as I've learned the hard way. Maybe some other time.
Another Banger from WillE
It’s also gonna be a memorable moment when everyones third level 50 dies to some insane nonsense and the player base drops the game.
I hear you but... I just don't want to have to keep the rolling because I got DC'd from the game on my shitty Walmart laptop. 99% of the HC death posts on r/classicwow seem to be because of technical issues, and that sucks. I'll stick to grinding and RPing on Bloodsail
While I like the idea of one life. But I must say I disagree, that this is what classic should have been. For me and I think also for many others,, the most fun that I had in this game was the low-level PvP. So even though I like hardcore I wouldn't trade it for the excitement of world PvP at lower levels in the likes of stranglethorn Vale, arathi Highlands, hillsbrad foothils etc. that's were the game really comes alive!
started a night elf rogue and died to fall damage 3 times im rerolling human 100%
If it weren't for the DC deaths I would be all over this game.
I'm not chancing losing a character I've put time into due to a dc that wasn't my fault.
I think some of the essence of wow is the pvp I really feel like the world Is dead without it to be honest. Levelling was a challenge though!
Classic 2019 was a major succes , anyone who thinks it wasnt is suffering from amnesia
That's certainly a take
HC is the most fun I’ve ever had playing wow. All the reasons asmongold says that wow was never meant to be a hardcore game are in fact the reasons it’s great. Getting to 60 is a learning experience, you learn through dying what not to do and start again. Also if you had a bunch of gold or were a high level when you died you can always do a free character transfer to another realm so it’s not a waste of time. Best game I’ve ever played
Had a single internet hiccup and died gl to people with better internet then me lol