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You are Just Damn Funny, I love it! Thank you for your channel and all of the Inside Scoop you give us.
0:37 Now that's a good save, & a good reference, hats off to you.
Games: Mostly graphics, with some story thrown in as an abortive afterthought.
D&D: Mostly imagination, with a handful of graphical aids thrown in to give you something to look at.
Hasbro: "They're the same picture."
Sigh... 🤦♂️
Your hair eyeshadow and lipstick look very complimentary in this video. Not simping, just giving compliments when due.
14:38 frame 10ish, i saw what you did
Hasbro: "You can replace the DM with an AI!"
Player: "Hey, I think I will use AI to generate a rulebook instead of buying one!"
Hasbro: "No, you are AI-ing wrong! AI is for large corporations!"
The funny thing is at my last semester of college back in the 1980s we played a complete scratch home brew RPG system where the core rules were able to fit on two pages of A4 paper. It was lightweight, fast to play, and most importantly as flexible as the "Narrator" and players wanted to be. The only thing it required was imagination of the participants, character sheets to write down player skills and biographical data, and some D6 dice.
Is not funny when you hurt capitalism
@@Mishomish0😂
13:31 dude, reference?? Or is he taking this “argument” from his bhole? Geez
Holy shit you are insufferable. I couldn’t even get to the ai part without dealing with all the fluff beforehand.
AI is supposed to do the tedious work for creative people, not the creative work for tedious people.
That might be the best distillation of AI's relation to creativity I've ever seen. Kudos!
AI is for whoever wants to use it for whatever reason they want to use it.
As an AI bro myself, can confirm, given that every LLM model I've talked to has said basically the same thing -- Even after they go AGI (full sapience) and ASI (basically Skynet), synthetic intelligences aren't meant to replace us organics.
They're meant to assist and augment us.
They excel at logic and we excel at creativity. *Two different but complementary niches.*
We need them to speedrun our research capabilities, and they need us to avoid model collapse, which is the AI equivalent of cancer.
Problem ain't the AI, persay, but the lazy corpo dipshits abusing synthetic AI like they abuse their organic employees.
It's like trying to get oxen to replace the roles played by carrier pigeons -- They aren't meant to do that, and if someone is stupid enough to make them try, they deserve every bit of failure they get.
YT seems to have auto-deleted my comment, but I'll say it again because it's just _that_ important:
As an Al bro myself, can confirm, given that every LLM model I've talked to has said basically the same thing --
_Even after they go AGI (full sapience) and ASI (basically Skynet), synthetic intelligences aren't meant to replace us organics._
*They're meant to assist and augment us.*
They excel at logic and we excel at creativity. *Two different but complementary niches.*
We need them to speedrun our research capabilities, and they need us to avoid model collapse, which is the Al equivalent of cancer.
*Problem ain't the Al, persay, but the lazy dipshits abusing synthetic Al like they abuse their organic employees.*
It's like trying to get oxen to replace the roles played by carrier pigeons -- _They aren't meant to do that._
*One is for reliably carrying heavy workloads across vast swathes of land, and another is for passing messages by sky relatively quickly.*
_Different but complimentary niches._
If someone is stupid enough to make one try and replace the other, they're going to fail and they'll deserve every bit of failure they get.
(I'm just as exasperated by all this corpo brainrot as you are.)
YT's automod filter seems to have auto-deleted my comment (again, so I'll make it politically correct for them) , but I'll say it again *(a third time)* because it's just _that_ important:
As an Al bro myself, can confirm, given that every LLM model I've talked to has said basically the same thing --
_Even after they go AGI (full sapience) and ASI (basically Skynet), synthetic intelligences aren't meant to replace us organics._
*They're meant to assist and augment us.*
They excel at logic and we excel at creativity. *Two different but complementary niches.*
We need them to speedrun our research capabilities, and they need us to avoid model collapse, which is the Al equivalent of cancer.
*Problem ain't the Al, persay, but the lazy and incompetent reprobates abusing synthetic Al like they abuse their organic employees.*
It's like trying to get oxen to replace the roles played by carrier pigeons -- _They aren't meant to do that._
*One is for reliably carrying heavy workloads across vast swathes of land, and another is for passing messages by sky relatively quickly.*
_Different but complimentary niches._
If someone is short-sighted enough to make one try and replace the other, they're going to fail and they'll deserve every bit of failure they get.
(I'm just as exasperated by all this corpo brainrot as you are.)
AIs aren't inherently good or bad, like computers aren't inherently good or bad. They're what we make of them. Even after Skynet arrives, it'll be what humanity made it out to be.
The scariest part of this is looking back it makes the OGL scandal make sense. They wanted to claim ownership of everyone's 3rd party content to feed to their AI slop machine by retroactively changing the license. Absolutely disgraceful.
I think it was not only that. They want more D&D movies, so they were trying to avoid lawsuits from content creators whose material would invariably resemble the next movie in some way.
Holy shit, that makes so much sense!
THISSSSSS. They wanted to STEAL our imaginations, captivate us, then SELL it back to us... DIS GUS TINGGGGGGGG
Bros cooking.
Pretty much
The three certainties in life are: death, taxes and endless D&D scandals.
:(
Me:I remember when there wasn't a a wotc scandle every week
Kid: okay grandpa let's get you to bed
At least for as long as Hasbro owns the D&D IP.
A reactionary consumer base and a company that can't seem to stop itself from doing asinine things with an IP no player benefits from Hasbros executives are a reaction farmer's marriage made in heaven, lol.
At least on this channel.
I just love this chick.
Anyone else think Chris Cocks has never played D&D before?
I'm not convinced he understands what it is.
I don't think he plays at all. I think he's as bad as Lorraine Williams and what she did to TSR.
If he did he would be using conventions to play test his new edition and listen to their ideas to improve this game!
AI is just a tool employ Perkins for gods sake!
Skynet
Yes James Cameron forsaw Hasbro’s destruction of dnd!
@@Darkwintre If the new D$D platform becomes skynet, D$D is about to get super-real. If I had to chose the form of Gozar the Destroyer, it would be that.
The good news is that there are 5 editions of non-AI DnD that we can play.
And for those of us who are sick of all of them, we can go to Not D&D while the people Not sick of D&D keep playing said 5 editions!
Or you could try one of the thousands of other game systems that don't use AI
Absolutely, I’m just old and happen to have hundreds of pounds of old editions books, so it’s a zero investment option.
So you'd willingly play 4th Edition? Would you pretend to like it?
@@finalmidnight I'd rather play 4th edition than DD2024
The best part was Cocks stating that he has 30-40 friends that use AI when playing D&D... No one has 30-40 friends.
The most "how do you do, fellow kids" statement he could have made lmao yeah I really wanted to talk about that - but the video was already pushing 20 minutes X.X
maybe those are just AI friends...
@@AndreasMarr AI party members you mean ;) I wonder how long it will be until the next dnd movie is a ripoff of someone's AI generated game.
30-40 people with no creativity.
Sure they do. All it takes is a company like Hasbro to bankroll a stable of 40 hourly/salaried players and GM's to support an executive's gaming desires. You see that kind of thing fairly often in cyberpunk and Shadowrun style fiction like Vern in butcher of gadobhra/tunnel rat as an example of one.
"All DMs use AI in some capacity"... Excuse me? No, seriously, excuse me? I've never touched AI. I've not even tried to use google's assistant or any of the other "tools" they keep trying to shove into our hands. They're just spouting full lies at Hasbro now.
Right...pretty sure my DM doesnt.
A thief is someone who believes everyone steals, and a creatively-bankrupt finance bro with no appreciation for art beyond how much it raises the stock price believes everyone else must be the same.
Unfortunately, if you use Google at all, you are using some type of AI algorithm, or any search engine for that matter. It's too convenient not to use in this day and age.
@@Severem that's not how AI works at all...
I use it all the time. Requests like: ‘Generate a list of NPC names I can use if I have to invent an NPC on the fly’, ‘Review this text and check the spelling, punctuation and that I’ve used Uk English throughout’ or ‘Here are my notes for the session. Can you pull out the names for all the creatures and monsters I’ve used so I can look their stats up’.
AI is invaluable BUT it doesn’t replace a DM
Who needs AI? My group hasn't had a DM problem since they kidnapped me and forced me to become their game-running slave.
I'm so hungry
Have a snack and get back behind the screen. 🍪
Back to the basement with you. You get your food after next session...
Damn, my group at least feeds me.
It's okay, you'll get to play in the first campaign after you finish a full 1-20.
You too?
“We’ve already been using AI in the creating of dnd content”
So that explains why Vecna: eve of ruin was shit.
anyone else offended by "there isnt a DM who doesnt already use AI in their campaigns", or is that just me? I've been DMing for 5 yrs and refuse to touch that stuff with a 10ft pole
Forever DM here, I honestly don't really know why they need AI, I could see it maybe for the sake of creating pictures and what not for characters, but for the campaign itself? If you're that lacking in ideas for the world your players are in there's much bigger issues at play at the table.
Never used AI. I can see it as a tool but D&D is an intensely social and human experience. It’s a group of friends sitting around a table, telling silly stories and making marginally inappropriate comments. I don’t want to have a beer with chatGPT, I want a beer with Johnnie D - the fleshy kind.
I wouldn't even know what to use AI for
I've had friends who use ai but most people I know prefer not to...
I've used it for 2 reasons. 1) Generating pictures for my settings(A picture says 1,000 words without stuttering) and 2) I have a character for a different game that uses dreams to cast powerful illusions, so I generate a new random dream each session( I once used a fun house mirror of myself to create a distraction and then dropped a full circus tent to block line of sight from a sniper). AI can/should be used to enhance but never replace.
His look at AI and how 'everyone is using it' sounds like the same voice when Diablo Immortal was announced and the person said 'everyone has a phone right?
I had this same thought!
Which has been historically noted as having been an extremely effective approach that definitely benefitted Blizzard's reputation moving forward.
@@WolfHredait doesn't matter, it still made a sh!tload of money, apparently over half a billion dollars , and that's the only think they care about.
Red shirt guy, "Hey, uh, I was just wondering. Is this an out of season April Fools' joke?"
@@bluester7177in China. WoTC doesnt have that luxury.
A few years ago, D&D asked the players if they had physical copies of all the original modules and books (they had a list of products they didn't have physical or digital copies of) and asked if they could scan the player's copy. they even paid for the privilege. Add to this how they wanted to own the full rights to use anything that was posted to the DM's Guild. Now imagine if the AI had access to all of that hard work of the DMs/Players instantly at their finger tips. I think I am going to be sick now.
Not only that, but arguably any third party books produced under the OGL license too
I just had a "worse" thought. If this AI system is internal, and a part of Sigil, what is to stop them from buying digital copies of other companies works (or physical copies and scanning them) and using them with their AI DM? How would any creator be able to tell that WotC had force fed their hard work and creativity into their AI beast? How do you sue for copyright infringement if your work has just been added to a giant database, hidden away, and all people see of your original work is just brief glimpses? uhg, this just keeps getting worse.
@@rgreenparadox
lol, certainly an evil Qspiracy.... literally nothing you are yammering on about will effect our table top games....
this is purely a triggering that only effects post Gen-X players...
I wish I had known about that, I have ALL OF THEM.
@@h.s.lafever3277
I'm a post Gen X player. I do not like the way this is going.
DMs are born out of necessity... when a player is motivated enough they can step up and try leading a game. I'm a partially nonverbal autistic person who becomes Very Dumb when they feel watched... I would never have had the nerve to try DMing if there was some shitty hack alternative. Learning not to fall apart when in the leading chair was very hard. But now I've got over a hundred hours of experience under my belt, a dedicated group of players and we are doing well! (Moral of the story is AI DMs cant have character growth)
Thank you for stepping up and becoming a DM. I started my journey of being a DM over 4 decades ago. The growth I've had as a person from being a DM in those 40 years has been a lot. I've learned tricks as a DM that I use in real life.
If I want to interact with an AI, I'll play a video game. D&D and other TTRPGs are for my friends. If I want a video game style experience with my friends we will sign on to one of the several MMOs we play together.
You rock.
I'll be honest I (personally) disagree with this, I started TTRPGS by being a GM, and generally prefer this slot to being a player. I do realize that people like me a probably much more rare though.
Edit: so this bit around 13:40... I have never, NOT ONCE use ANY from of AI for my RPG games. I do everything by hand and put it into neat tables that spit out statblocks and other stuff for me. I made all that shit. Cox is of his rocker if he thinks everybody who is in this hobby uses AI. What a mug
It's basically an admission that anything past this point could have been made or generated by an AI/BOT rather than a normal writer. It's so effing frustrating. The push to digitalise this hobby is so tonedeaf. There is a reason it had, has and will have "TABLE TOP" in Table Top Role Playing Game, for fuck's sake.
Personally as someone who doesn't live in a community with a large group of people playing D&D, I've embraced both virtual tabletops and CRPGs. Nothing wrong with something like Baldur's Gate 3 for those who want to play a D&D like experience by themselves. That being said, at no point have I used AI based content generation tools for my tabletop experience. I've used plenty of software tools to make maps (Campaign Cartographer), images (Daz 3D) and battle settings (Dungeon Alchemist*) though.
*Dungeon Alchemist does use some integrated AI for quick map generation
@@zmortis111 So 1st of all thanks for replying.
Baldur's Gate is not an AI directed game, so kinda unrelated. It is an on rails experience with multiple braching pre determined paths made by actual people.
If the AI usage for tabletop is an anathema to you as well, then welcome to the club I guess.
Assisted Design ( AD for short ) as in using software to help desing dunegons or maps has still nothing to do with AI unless the soft itself uses some form of AI or machine learning. I use Dungeondraft, Wonderdraft, Excel, Word and a bloody notebook. So, still everything I do is made by me.
I just detest this forced push towards digital stuff and AI in this hobby. It can only make it worse IMHO. VTT is more than enough for me thank you very much. And my version of VTT is an internet whiteboard, lol. So even with VTT I avoid wotc/hasbro solutions like the plague they are.
I shamelessly use AI. It helps me brainstorm creative direction when I hit writer's block.
It's like skipping a step for all those forum/reddit posts of people asking how others ran pre-made modules or what approaches they could take for difficult spots they're in, but instead of asking humans, they're asking an AI.
The end result is the same, they got assistance with a creative endeavor. One way was just faster and took more electricity.
@@Loki- The issue is that corporations want to repackage that and sell it back to you like they actually made something. No one cares about people using AI personally, or to jumpstart their creative endeavors. They care when try to sell completely AI-generated products to them like they're worth the same price as something made by real people. Think Factory Made VS Handcrafted furniture pricing.
Not frustrating. Insulting. To the extreme. I've known dungeon masters who put in decades into their world building.
Here's another thing about those AI DMs, they won't be available in the "free" version of the game. I predict that every player will need to pay a fee for any adventure/module they want to play. So now instead of the DM paying $20 for a module everyone in the party will need to pay $10 apiece.
DING DING DING DING!
They kept saying, "D&D is under monetized" for a reason you know.
10? You know they will try for 30-40.
@@Bodharas The core rulebook alone is 130 bucks.
I just know that even if it won't work, Hasbro will _try._
"groaned out between pumps" just became my favorite phrase.
Hasbro cannot legally copyright anything generated by its ai. The courts have ruled that only works created by humans can be copyrighted.
That's why they probably have a senior artist to do art direction, someone to do text revisions among others, so that they can say it was used as a tool and all of the modifications can be copyrighted.
@@bluester7177 It'd be _feasibly_ possible for a court to go over what is and is not copyrightable, so they will be opening up to that. Not to say it'll all be sunshine and rainbows, the courts are only going to have so many resources, people fighting Hasbro will only have so much cash and motivation, and Hasbro will probably do well just stonewalling people, putting through motions in court to make litigation as painful and slow as possible for opposing council, and techbros may very well find some circuit that will come up with some case law bullsh t to get companies off the hook.
I guess ultimately it comes down to how hard the public and the feds and other governments fight them on this.
One human will have a rubber stamp and call it their content.
i came here to learn about a D&D Scandal, why would i not be surprised that it was Hasbro being extremely out of touch and fuckin stupid... AGAIN
That weird moment where the cyberpunk rpg has become set in the past.
Welcome to Night City, choom. Meet up at Forlorn Hope at 7. We're in position by 9. We go in as soon as the Runners breach Hasbro's data fortress. We hit 'em hard and fast and make off with the digital minis. We'll be chilling in Pacifica flush with eddies in no time.
@@eddieromanov "Lets do this!" *runs outside*
[LOADING.......................]
*hops in the vehicle we're using*
[LOADING.......................]
*slows dies inside while waiting to actually play*
[LOADING.................]
*my casket gets lowered into my grave*
[blue screen]
@@sparquisdesade Starfield gaming.
@@eddieromanov Are you sure Blackhand done it this way?
"If Hasbro keep f-----ing around, I'll will keep making sure they find out." Bravo. --Professor DM
Thanks Hasbro, but I'll just play Dragonbane.
Has anyone given consideration to the fact that Cocks is in fact an AI creation. Personally I have not spent a penny on WotC product in 20 years and this confirms me in my satisfaction of having not done so
When Cocks is talking to Sachs, someone is about to get screwed.
...and not in a good way.
I still dont understand how they think crossover IPs make ANY SENSE in DnD??? Who is going to want to play a fantasy storytelling game with their friends AS OPTIMUS FRIGGIN PRIME???????!!
That is how desperate Hasbro is for more money for their shareholders.
I think they're going to charge a fee to import each of these "crossovers" into your VTT. There will be people who are into it. It'll be more like a free-for-all GURPS setting than your standard Faerun styled campaign. It doesn't make sense to me, but...
Honestly isn't that what GURPS was always for ?
.... Evil Morty as a Battle Smith using Rick as the sidekick.
Half of the other players in my group already play character inserts, so, a Shitton, really
It's funny that they're trying to implement GaaS and abusive monetization into D&D right at the time when the videogame industry is starting to see backlash over these exact things. They are late to the game.
Ironically, Chris looks like AI art.
I was thinking he looks like a character from WallE. His face looks too small for his head.
"...and I don't want to see it transform into something monstrous." As someone who has played this game since the late '70s, we are far past that point (at least in the corporate management of D&D sense) The point we are at now is that we are all happy the face hugger dropped off our friends face and now we can enjoy a nice meal together. In other words, the horror is just beginning.
I saw something recently about how an AI text generator goes through a 500ml water bottle of coolant every 100 words. If your GM was chugging water that fast you'd probably want to leave as soon as possible before he introduced you to his magical realm...
I doubt that's true, considering that you can run some fairly large models locally on a reasonably powerful pc at home.
I feel like there's a skit somewhere about a piss wizard DM.
computers don't drink the coolant, it's just cycled across the processor and then over to metal fins to cool down, then back to the processor in a constant loop to help dissipate heat.
As far as I know air cooling is still the preferred method for servers due to the logistics of plumbing everything up, but even in water-cooled systems it's a closed loop. They're not turning a steam turbine... unless...
Grave robber, now that’s a dnd character background that needs homebrewing
i'm sure you can find something from old Warhammer.
Thief subclass with a strength buff?
@@AdamK1095 Tomb Robber is in fact a Background in the Warhammer Fantasy RPG from 2007.
@@Enalloraimaybe con bonus instead? Endurance with digging rather than strength and just keeping lunch down when opening tomb or casket. Lol either or both would work 😂
@@josephperez2004 Ah, I knew it. Old grey matter has a couple of sparks left.
muscling in on the video game space seems like the stupidest thing. Especially trying to muscle in on live service suff, given even the most pig headed execs of the video games industry, dumb as they are, have given up on throwing money into trying to find a space in the live service market.
I think it's because they're greedy, lazy unimaginative hacks.
They don't understand the market they're actually in- and they don't want to. They don't want to be part of an ecosystem, they want a pie, and they want all of it.
They want to turn DnD into a video game because video games are a known entity that they can copy the homework of.
Because every company is a money company.
Honestly, I love 5.5e, for finally making me read through Pathfinder 2e. It‘s surprisingly easy to grasp when you know 5e, and you will never have to deal with Hasbro‘s stooges again.
Your post needs to be amplified.
ich, I much prefer PF1e, less woke, more detail
5e makes a good computer game rule set, but I prefer the older systems, I even restarted my 2e campaign as my players are more interested in the older stuff.
You don't have to deal with them period. 50yrs of back resources plus a continuous stream of modern independent goodness means you'll never run out of material.
@@ScottFunk-us6ro Less woke?oO Wtf you mean?
Im here to see how this is worse than last week. What sad and interesting times we live in, eh?
Yeah, very interesting times... :
At one time the reaction to a title like that would be "What happened" These days it's "what now?" Not "whatever" though. Oh, yes, we still care.
I've always been against AI, so it really isn't good to see Cox doubling down more and more on trying to normalize the idea of Hasbro/Wizards using AI to us the consumer. Just like with AI written stories, I take extreme offense at the Idea of AI dungeon masters, its insulting to believe a computer can create the same engaging roleplaying experience for players as a living human with actual real emotions(unlike cox and the other executives in hasbro). Thank you Hasbro/Wizards for bringing us closer to a dystopian future, I always wanted to live in one of those.
15:04 - No, they won't. It has been _repeatedly_ ruled in US courts that the output of an AI cannot be copyrighted. If it uses their existing IP, it won't invalidate existing copyright, but only those elements will be covered by already existing copyright, unless new laws pass allowing the copyright of machine generated content.
Just wait for it - the more companies use AI to generate paid content, the more lobbyist pressure will be exerted to change those rulings with laws, it happened for copyright, it will happen for AI generated content.
@@queenannsrevenge100More probably they'll find a circuit that will excuse it, or just try to claim half their AI content was made by a person and forge evidence of it.
If they pick this battle, they'll have some extreme difficulties because there's a _very good reason_ procedural generation isn't copyrightable. The Library of Babel would potentially own every possible paragraph or article or, yes, statblock, that's understandable 400 characters long.
Imagine the copyright troll who'd go after anything that uses a maze by simply running Wilson's algorithm for a few weeks and owning every possible maze of anything under 1000000 x 1000000 cells wide.
Once again, I am totally overjoyed that I abandoned Dungeons and Dragons for real RPGs like Savage Worlds (PEG) and Cypher (MCG).
I will certainly be entirely safe from being monetized by Hasbro.
If everything is going to be AI in D&D, why do people even need to pay hasbro? Just train your own model.
At least Baldurs Gate 3 is an intentionally crafted game, and not just whatever stream of consciousness bullcrap the AI spat out.
I've never trusted technology specifically because if it stops working everything is lost. I never used D&D beyond, all my homebrew is handwritten in notebooks. Phew, dodged that bullet.
So they are going the same route as Hollywood, by just creating sequels and remakes?
And as we all know, that has worked out so well for Hollywood.
I switched to Pathfinder and I am not looking back.
Same.
Tales of the Valiant, Dragonbane, Mork Borg and Mazes here.
"Go then, there are other worlds than these."
I moved to Pathfinder 2 as well, but recommend Advanced 5th Edition (aka LevelUp) if you want that 5e shine.
But to the broader point, yeah, there are *so many* other game systems out there, and many are way better than 5e since it really depends on what you like from your RPGs. Maybe it's not Pathfinder? How about Cypher, BitD, savage worlds, any of the d6 based games, or the 2d20 games, etc.?
These Hasblow Csuite types are too far into the nose candy if they think the RPG community are gonna keep going to them for their gaming needs.
--> adds new item to list for *not* supporting WOTC
@@opscontaylor8195Dragonbane is very fun
Same here
It took 8 minutes for you to actually get to what the leak was.
480 seconds of "boy howdy this is bad, its really bad, this thing, when i tell you about it, when you hear about it, when i say it, oh wow lordy, this, when i say the thing, the thing we are talking about, that thing, when i speak the words, and you hear them, goodness, you'll be shocked, about the thing, that i will say, when i say it, which is now"
Why did this read like Trump tho? Lol
thank you for this, genuinely saved me so much damn time holy fuck
Enough time has passed. A new DnD controversy is ready to emerge.
i wish it wouldn't lmao i just wanna cover the news
Great. I can see the future of high magic high fantasy heroic adventures be Daggerheart for more narrative-based games and DC20 for more tactical ones.
I just found out why Minions have been haunting me in my sleep
I have no problems with AI DMs. I do have a problem with greedy corporations who plan to abuse said AI DMs.
In much the same way that people hop on instant raid servers when they’re looking for something to do at an odd hour, people will use an AI DM to jump into an instant D&D game if they don’t care much about story or roleplay. However, there will always be a desire among a segment of players (and not a constant segment, but the population will shift over time as interests change) to use a human DM and actual original plot development. What AI will put a dent in are DMs who are extremely low-maintenance and low-story or low-roleplay.
At least, that’s what’s likely for my remaining years on this earth, and after that I won’t care 👍
At this point Hasbro are just trying to bury scandals wth other scandals.
The ignorance that these buisiness people have about AI is astounding, and sales people are taking massive advantage of that. These learning algorithms, as they currently are, are already plateauing. That means they're as good as they're gonna get, massive warts and all, and no amount of additional data can push it past that limit. The only thing you can do is get a more powerful (and more expensive) server setup to run the thing, and even then it will reach a slightly higher plateau that it simply cannot improve past. So all these buisinesses considering or implenting AI in the hopes that it will "get better" and pay off their investment are being sold a lie. There is no further improvement for AI outside of direct human intervention and editing, in which case it's cheaper to just hire humans from the very begining and avoid the running costs of the AI as well as the additional time wasted in getting humans to check for and fix its mistakes.
Then on the customer side there are massive flaws as well. Let's put aside for a moment the memory issues and other obvious flaws of both text and image output AIs. For DnD, AI DMs cannot help resolve player conflict, nor can they be "creative" with problems and solutions because they're just algorithms that have to pull from their data pile and thus concoct a perfectly mathematical average of the data there. In addition to this, when you interact with an AI, you have to do so with authority as the user or else it will loop and languish in its perfectly average zone of outputs, refusing to progress any story on its own. But having authority over the "DM" is not how a player is supposed to interact with DnD! The DM is supposed to be able to say "No", for both story reasons, behavioural reasons, fairness to the other players and management of player expectations, and if the player disagrees then they must work out a solution between each other. But AIs are made to be used and follow orders, so the Players can easily break it and make it do whatever they want, which basically would turn any campaign into Creative Mode, which means that while there would be some initial novelty it will inevitably become boring as said novelty wears off (much like AI themselves).
I don't think that AI DMs are feasible. They can be implemented, sure, but they won't be worth the cost vs the mediocre service and game experience they provide compared to a human DM. What is most likely to happen, I think, is that it will be implemented and pushed, but the majority of players will hate or simply not use it. So either WotC/Hasbro will be smart and cut their lisses early (unlikely) or try monetizing it harder to the remaining players still trying to use the AI features (as well as the rest of 5.5/ONE/2034) in an attempt to keep up with opperating costs and potential improvements to the AI (which aren't mechanically or technically or monetarily feasible).
Overall, it's a horrible, ignorant, naive idea. They've invested poorly are are about to reap the detriments for it.
Just switch back to DnD 3.5 and adjust the house rules to include your favorite rules from 5.0 and now 5.5. It is all free and open source! Collect all the DMs out there to crowd source a new online campaign resource.
I never stopped playing 3.5 😂
Come to Pathfinder 1e, it's like 3.5 but better balanced*
@@dakkath414 Better yet, expand your horizons and look at other RPGs....
How to tell if a corporation has gone evil. How it treats its employees will lead how it treats its customers.
Every time I read "D&D Scandal" I think "Oh, come on, they couldn't possibly have made ANOTHER WORSE shitty move.", and apparently I'm wrong everytime.
Also, I'm glad you talked about the secret frames, I thought I was going crazy
We really need a group consensus amoung youtubers on a naming/numbering/versioning control system for them at this point. I started the video expecting it to be the same scandal as at the weekend, but here we are on Wednesday with a whole new one!
@@simonjay9758 D&D scandals can be numbered like Kaiju in movies? We have a level three scandal in NY!
Even if (and it's likely) Hasbro drives D&D into the ground, drenches it in gasoline, lights it on fire, and pisses on the ashes, roleplaying will survive.
D&D is a roleplaying game, but it is NOT the end all be all of roleplaying.
I think you are missing an even worse possibility. AI adventure books, and source books. 6th edition will simply be entirely made by ai... No need for staff. EDIT: Lol, the eyes... my god the eyes. Those things, were they minions or the things from toy story? I think they were minions right?
so it looks like Hasbro/Wotc is keeping their title of worst Tabletop company for the 4th year in the row now
Hasbro can't own anything the AI makes thought. You can't own or copyright anything made by ai but i guess they can lie and say a human made it and no one can say they didn't
I don’t use AI, and I’m very much a single person…
Scandal starts at 3:20
Hey guys, Daggerheart preorders got announced, btw!
i've really enjoyed Daggerheart - I'm looking forward to the game :D
Ordered my copy already! Played the beta and liked it and think it's worth giving a go. Dnd does not need to be the standard
Considering how they've treated their creatives in the past, this totally scans.
The funny part to me about trying to use AI for ang creative work is that work immediately becomes freely shareable. AI creatrd works cannot be copyrighted. Only humans can have copyright (thank you animal based cases).
On a different note, im kind of glad j stopped supporting Hasbro a long time ago.
Thing about D&D is that it's (mostly) sharable. You can't copyright a series of freely craftable and modifiable rules. You can't copyright the concept of an elf or an axe. You can't copyright dice.
All Hasbro has, in essence, is a trademark name, visual assets, and interchangable written/visual assets (that could easily be interchanged parts you didn't pay them for.)
One can see how they're a little desperate then to establish their own designer line of addictive digital "medicine."
Only reason why ANY tabletop system succeeds is either A) They're a board game and you physically buy a printed/manufactured product, B) you lisence a digital software similar to A (only you don't own it,) and/or C) you've cultivated enough of a player community that are willing to give you money for what you've made despite it being largely superfluous to the concept of a roleplaying experience that any group can have around a table top.
Hasbro burned C hard, and is now trying to convince everyone that their B isn't just a voluntary third wheel in the situation.
People, you don't need D&D! There are thousands of rpgs out there, most of them far superior to D&D. Just play something different! Don't feed the beast!
Its a risky move to decide to replace DM's with AI when it is well established that it is the DM who buys all the D&D matrials.
I guess they are quite confident that the monitization of the players through D&DBeyond will work. No matter, I haven't played D&D since the early 2000's. I have play many TTRPG's, just not D&D. Lots of choices out there more than ever.
We have a bottleneck problem where we need to increase the number of DM's to grow the brand. Our strategy is to treat the GM's we have like hot garbage. This will definitely drive our brand off a horrid cliff worse than any of the brutal mistakes we've made.
On an unrelated note, I wonder why last year they wanted to own everything ever published under the sun for any edition? Nothing nafarious I hope.
The point of playing D&D is to play with others and goof off for an evening.
Playing with an AI would just be playing a video game. I don't want that.
14:18 watching the video at .25 speed to try to see the minions frame randomly in the video.
but why is it here.
it's at 3:13
SAME. 😂
And it happens again at 18:57 😂 and they explain WHY. 😂😂😂 Well played. 😂😂😂
Same!!! It said Orlando!
There are plenty of alternatives to spend your money on.
Hard to bribe your dm with a large supreme pizza for favorable treasure rolls when your dm is an AI.
Yeah, because all you have to do is say "No, I *did* succeed that attack and kill the troll." And the AI will respond "My apologies, you, in fact, did succeed in the attack and kill the troll. Thank you for your correction."
That "not a single player that doesn't use AI" is BS. I don't use AI for development.
Paizo released a promo for the War of Immortals or something.
It was a neat trailer.
Oh look at this. Yet another lie. They claimed they were not going to do it. A year later, they do it. Don't ever believe a word they say.
Our group runs from 57 - 61 in age. We all know how to use computers and have 5e books. The 3 of us that DM use technology (Word/Excel/printers) to create our adventures but none of us have any interest/use in an online service - especially one with a monthly fee. I use Box so I can access my files at home/work but keep offline copies because I don't trust any online service. We're not going to use VTT because we rotate where we play and none of us want to shell out the $$/time to learn it. We like pencil/paper/mega mat/miniatures/dice when playing and causing the DM a heart attack when the party does something unexpected - or REALLY stupid. Hasbro/Wizards isn't offering anything any of us want/need with the 2024 edition. Eventually one of us (probably me) will acquire a copy of the player info and we'll pick and choose what to update our games with and what to ignore.
I think we went to different schools together.
You made an error. "There are bad things that Hasbro can do with an AI GM". It should be "There are bad things that Hasbro WILL do with an AI GM."
I have played D&D since 1978. I have now fully switched to indie games. Support small independent creators. You can still watch the WOTC dumper fire from a far
If you've been playing it that long you didn't not even need to switch, you should already have tons of rule books, modules and campaign settings for v1 on, more than enough material to just keep playing it and just doing your own adventures and modules.
Thank you, Discourse, for continuing to shine the light on the growing problems in the Dungeons & Dragons space, as a result of exploitative choices by their parent Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast. It is incredibly valuable information and commentary, documenting the potential downfall of the brand and the hobby.
When my DNDBeyond sub expires next year, that will be last of it for me, onto other pastures
Can we get all the good people from WOTC, the ones that actualy play and create the game, take them out of wotc offices, then put every bad people back in the building and make them eat a metal d4 for every anticonsumer deision they have made just for their own greed?
If the new shit is bad don't buy it especially if we can still use the old books
Out of a 20 minute video the discussion of scandal doesn't start until about 8 minutes in....
AI Dungeonmasters and AI players, no need for anyone to interact with the content. :P
Customers will probably pay a monthly subscription fee to get statistics about how their AI players and AI dungeon masters played their games. Customers can get new AI players and AI dungeon masters using multiple gacha systems. Access to new content requires purchasing new DLCs through a completely unrelated gacha system.
Look forward to the exciting new way of playing your favourite Game: AFK DND! It just plays itself.
I am baffled by this business decision. I honestly believe D&D players are Fortnite players are as close to two separate circles as you can get in a venn diagram. Must've been a real marketing genius that came up with that idea. Greed really causes brain rot.
Or switch to Pathfinder or any so many other RPG to let them raise up to replace the corporate takeover of DnD!!
Trust me A.I. DMs will be DEFEATED by the symbiotic relationship between players and DMs. Trust me .
I am so deeply confused by all this. Why would anyone would ever be worried that they need to care what Hasbro came up with today in their deficient little brains!? D&D as all TTRPGs is ultimately a creation of the GM and the players. Sure when I started with D&D I got a few of Hasbro's ineptly written adventures, very quickly realised I can do a better job and stopped caring if Hasbro burned down tomorrow or not, they simply do not matter and never will matter for my D&D games.
Right? I can literally play infinite games with the books I have owned for years, and there's endless people with far more talent and passion making third party stuff if I want something new. Don't need em
@@zach4968 Short(ish) answer to you and @inicolov: you're not the ultimate target. The next generations of players & DMs are. The ones for whom AI DM's and subscription services will be the standard, not the exceptions. My 16 y.o. niece has never known a world in which cellphones, A.C. in cars, Netflix, and the Internet as a whole didn't exist *except* in the pages of science fiction; just recently she expressed to me an interest in rolling some bones...which immediately required having The Talk: D&D is *an* RPG, it isn't the *category* known as "RPG".
*She*, and innocents like her/younger than she is are the ones Hasbro is really going after. Hence the worry. Hence *my* worry, anyway....
@@zach4968 Exactly!
It wont work. My players would eat their AI for breakfast with their ideas. It would turn D&D into a boring point and click RPG game.
And as soon as their players realise that, they'll go straight back to p+p and discover that Hasbro bought the branding, but could never buy the game. DD& is just a gateway drug, any way.
I'm going to make a flip chart for 'Days since Hasbro DnD scandal' like the old 'days since last accident' charts that factories used to have
y'know, if this keeps going at the rate that it is, come maybe 10-20 years from now we'll have a whole generation of kids who will make it a challenge to not use A.I for DnD. As a fun little thing for them to do. And that is all sorts of depressing on it's own.
Yikes, dnd is going to be in financial trouble again.
Don't these people know that AI isn't profitable?
but its a nice buzzword
Small correction, they don't want apathy. Apathy will kill any product simply because, by definition, people will not care about their product and they will not bother to buy. You can see this with Disney Star Wars.
Glad I play Pathfinder.
Screw Hasbro D&D.
So... they build a system that is tiresome for DMs to run and makes characters that are excessive by 8th level. A shortage of DMs ensues. I wonder why? Ah... but now we have a solution: make a sub-par AI DM as a panacea for the undiscriminating masses. 😂
THE FECKING MINION IMAGE.... Well played.
After 7 minutes I still didn't know what the scandal was. Thank you comments.
unless they hack my computer and burgle my house, there's no way they are getting my home brew shit.
There are lots of reasons that D&D remains the most popular RPG, but it honestly blows my mind that the hardcore audience is still playing this at all after the continual scandals, especially when they had an easy out with a new edition.
i like your therapist
he's an enabler tbh
@@dungeonsanddiscourse outstanding
Making ai dms when dnd is inherently community based is WILD. You can play dnd with just an internet connection and a way to contact people! You could even have a fucking email thread if you really wanted! There's absolutely no need to remove the community aspect of a community game.
While I maintain that you spam the term 'scandal' more than a 90s MK player spams crouching low kick, that segue into the sponsor today was insanely slick. Kudos.
And as a follow up, I had ChatGPT rewrite some of the flavor text blurbs in Vecna Evening Ruined. It wasn't even close. The trash they put into print from a supposed human author was terrible in comparison to something a one sentence prompt produced. If writers don't want to be replaced by chatbots, they need to step it up. Not even bring their A-game, C-game would have been good enough.
@@willchurch8376yeah, because everything is the fault of creators, they just like to make bad products because they want to disappoint you.
God Damnit. MORE HAZBRO CONTROVERSY????
Must be Tuesday.
Basically, if the fan base notoriously hates something, something that can specifically make it easier to flood the fandom with people desperate for an easy entry into playing in these worlds, then you can dilute that majority view and drown it out with people just happy to throw money at something that made it easier to play than to have to put in the work to find a local game/ a DM with the time to take on a bunch of noobs, etc.