I've made six or seven Ziricote guitars. I love this wood. As for the cracking/checking issue, if you can possibly avoid the slab-sawn sets and get as close to full-on quarter as possible, it is actually quite stable- at least in my experience. Quarter sawn Ziricote has the most beautiful and symmetrical figure as well, in my opinion. It also makes gorgeous fingerboards and bridges, and I've often used it for bindings and bevel trim. Can't get enough of it!
Since ziricote is so oily, how would you recommend finishing it? I just made a drum using ziricote for the face veneer and am not sure how I should finish it. I don’t have access to a sprayer, so it will have to be brushed on, not sure if I should use a water based finish since it’s so oily.
Tom, re the potential for cracking, there are pictures of one of Ben Wilborn's Ziricote builds whereby he had just finished buffing the lacquered back and noticed that the reflection of the overhead strip lights was asymmetrical, indicating a crack that could not be seen otherwise. Indeed it had disappeared by the next day - but he still had to take the back off and replace it as it probably would have showed up again :(
I live in Kenya and have loads of Cordia Africana, still as logs, big ones... Soon cutting them into slabs. Not sure if it's tone is good, but gonna try my first build with it. Also just got a Mweri tree trunk about 1.5m long from the root, no clue of the English name, but it's core is pitch black and hard AF...
Question for you Tom (or the group) I’m currently building an L-OO (Ziricote and Coastal Redwood) The back and sides are well quartersawn and moderately figured. I have the sides thicknesses down to .085 and hope to bend them this week. Ive never worked with Ziricote prior to this. Any pearls of wisdom on the bending process? Note: I use an LMI side bending machine. Thanks 🙂
yeah,your just the real deal and i wish I had the funds to have you build me a Ziricote 6 shooter,as it is I'm gonna grab the Teton Ziricote Concert cutaway. We will see what the Easter bunny will allow and maybe we can negotiate. thanks for your vids. Be well!
@@diegolira7127 well, many people don’t like to work with Ziricote because it can have a tendency to crack. Really lovely quartersawn sets of Ziricote are very hard to find largely due to the size of the tree so it is often more expensive the Madagascar rosewood. Tonally, I’ve not worked with Ziricote enough to be able to give you a detailed answer but from a tap tone perspective the are quite similar IMO
Yeah... nice looking set of tonewood. Definitely has a bit of a ring to it and plenty character. Would have thought your M model would control the voice nicely Tom, perhaps with a cedar or redwood - something a bit warmer to soften the edge. You might have enough left to make the headstock/heard-plate too? The audience is growing nicely Tom... :) K.
Apologies, this was one of my early videos and it was a problem, try on a different device. 🙏
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Tom, in your statement, "Ciricote from Central America." Just a reminder this wood also comes from México...part of North America. The whole country of México would feel disrespected if you said "Ciricote if it comes from México is from Central America." Now the batch that you have in this video if it is from another country other than México then it is from Central America. Perhaps Stew Mac either has no specific origin of country where the wood is from in this video, the provider just told them it's from Central America or they know what country it came from and just lumped anything south of the USA border as Central America!
Thanks for the fact check. My apologies for any offence caused. There’s always so much to remember when shooting these videos, I don’t always get it right.
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@@TomSandsGuitars I'm an American born in the Great San Joaquin Valley in California. But we are also cattle ranchers and bee keepers in the great Mexican state of Jalisco! Land of the Tequila! Also lived in Costa Rica. Canada, USA & México..i.e formerly NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...etc...no offence taken brother! In any event....you're alright...dig your posts!
Its a question for the ages! The Tree mahogany has virtually no tap response to speak of but somehow the guitars it produces are among my favourite! I guess it all depends on what ones definition of good sound is??
They are terrible for recording though. Too boomy, too midrangy, too loose, too unclear, too many reverberations. This is the recipe for a muddy recording. Not good for studios.
I’m sorry, mate, but it seems like every one of your videos is always recorded on the lowest volume setting. I thought it was me at first, but watching several of your videos on different devices, including my car, and it’s just apparent that the volume is just too low. If I hear an ad in the middle of your video, I’m scared half to death because the volume has been set so high to compensate for the low recording levels you use.
You’re right, I’ve adjusted this in subsequent videos. What’s weird is that it plays back fine for most people, myself included. Sorry for the heart attacks!
I've made six or seven Ziricote guitars. I love this wood. As for the cracking/checking issue, if you can possibly avoid the slab-sawn sets and get as close to full-on quarter as possible, it is actually quite stable- at least in my experience. Quarter sawn Ziricote has the most beautiful and symmetrical figure as well, in my opinion. It also makes gorgeous fingerboards and bridges, and I've often used it for bindings and bevel trim. Can't get enough of it!
Since ziricote is so oily, how would you recommend finishing it? I just made a drum using ziricote for the face veneer and am not sure how I should finish it. I don’t have access to a sprayer, so it will have to be brushed on, not sure if I should use a water based finish since it’s so oily.
Beautiful tone wood. I love my PRS a60e which has ziricote for the back and sides with solid spruce top. Plays well and sounds great!
I bought aTakamine with ziricote back n sides sounds great for me and can hypnotise while looking at it too long
I have a Moon CZ3, with Spruce soundboard and ziricote back and sides. Beautiful guitar.
John Entwistle had one of his basses in the Stryker line made of ziricote. Never heard of ziricote before that.
Tom, re the potential for cracking, there are pictures of one of Ben Wilborn's Ziricote builds whereby he had just finished buffing the lacquered back and noticed that the reflection of the overhead strip lights was asymmetrical, indicating a crack that could not be seen otherwise. Indeed it had disappeared by the next day - but he still had to take the back off and replace it as it probably would have showed up again :(
I'll have to check this out, thanks Kerry!
I have a Sinker Redwood/Ziricote combo :) it sounds amazing.
What brand guitar Is it?
@@gabrielmoore6099 it's a custom K.Michael Clark Acoustic Guitar.
One of my favourites!
thanks for the video
You're welcome
I live in Kenya and have loads of Cordia Africana, still as logs, big ones... Soon cutting them into slabs. Not sure if it's tone is good, but gonna try my first build with it. Also just got a Mweri tree trunk about 1.5m long from the root, no clue of the English name, but it's core is pitch black and hard AF...
@@sergemeijerink258 sounds amazing!
Could you review ENCIMO AUSTRALIANO FOR GUITAR
hello Tommy..................yes beautiful wood.......what happens when you laminate this for guitar back and sides like the PRS a60e
thank you
Question for you Tom (or the group) I’m currently building an L-OO (Ziricote and Coastal Redwood) The back and sides are well quartersawn and moderately figured. I have the sides thicknesses down to .085 and hope to bend them this week. Ive never worked with Ziricote prior to this. Any pearls of wisdom on the bending process? Note: I use an LMI side bending machine. Thanks 🙂
Yeah that’s gonna look amazing with some posh looking spruce.
Ziricote is my faviorite wood! It's stunning almost cartoon-like.
I always think the same!
What species of neck do you think would pair well with a ziricote fingerboard?
I'd keep it trad with hog I reckon!
since this wood is quite oily can it be glued with tite bond or do youneed an epoxy?
I basically hose it with acetone before gluing, titebond has worked fine for me. 🙏
Thank you@@TomSandsGuitars
Whats your opinion on flat-sawn backs? just curious as a lot of purists say to stay away, however there are plenty around from reputable sellers
if its well cut, well seasoned and stays put whilst in storage, i think its just fine. You've just got to be careful with monitoring RH
yeah,your just the real deal and i wish I had the funds to have you build me a Ziricote 6 shooter,as it is I'm gonna grab the Teton Ziricote Concert cutaway. We will see what the Easter bunny will allow and maybe we can negotiate. thanks for your vids. Be well!
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Tom, which one is better, Madagascar Rosewood (Albergia baronii) or Ziricote (cordia dodecandria)?
Depends what you mean by better?
@@TomSandsGuitars which is a better tonewood and which one is more expensive? 😁
@@diegolira7127 well, many people don’t like to work with Ziricote because it can have a tendency to crack. Really lovely quartersawn sets of Ziricote are very hard to find largely due to the size of the tree so it is often more expensive the Madagascar rosewood. Tonally, I’ve not worked with Ziricote enough to be able to give you a detailed answer but from a tap tone perspective the are quite similar IMO
Does ziricote good for classical guitar, i see most acoustic guitar
I believe it makes a fine classical
I enjoy weird a** Wednesday. A Ziricote model S would be insane!
I think so Paul! Fancy one?
Tom, what did you spray the two backs with?
Magic spray! 😉 It’s just alcohol, you could use naphtha or mineral spirits though 🙏
@@TomSandsGuitars Thanks Tom!
Di Indonesia di pulau saya banyak Tuan...
Visually my favourite tone wood. Brite, but not too Brite sound. Real nice sets are hard to find.
Yeah it’s amazing to look at!
Yeah... nice looking set of tonewood. Definitely has a bit of a ring to it and plenty character. Would have thought your M model would control the voice nicely Tom, perhaps with a cedar or redwood - something a bit warmer to soften the edge. You might have enough left to make the headstock/heard-plate too? The audience is growing nicely Tom... :) K.
Interesting Kevin! pretty well the opposite idea to me, I love it! Maybe I build both?
Nice one Tom... lol... would be great to see and hear both!
ziricote are better than malaysian blackwood/ebony sir??
These timbers have very different qualities. It really depends what you’re looking for and how you define ‘best’? Thanks!
I really wish I could hear you properly very quiet audio
Apologies, this was one of my early videos and it was a problem, try on a different device. 🙏
Tom, in your statement, "Ciricote from Central America." Just a reminder this wood also comes from México...part of North America. The whole country of México would feel disrespected if you said "Ciricote if it comes from México is from Central America." Now the batch that you have in this video if it is from another country other than México then it is from Central America. Perhaps Stew Mac either has no specific origin of country where the wood is from in this video, the provider just told them it's from Central America or they know what country it came from and just lumped anything south of the USA border as Central America!
Thanks for the fact check. My apologies for any offence caused. There’s always so much to remember when shooting these videos, I don’t always get it right.
@@TomSandsGuitars I'm an American born in the Great San Joaquin Valley in California. But we are also cattle ranchers and bee keepers in the great Mexican state of Jalisco! Land of the Tequila! Also lived in Costa Rica. Canada, USA & México..i.e formerly NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...etc...no offence taken brother! In any event....you're alright...dig your posts!
If Mahogany has such a dead tap tune, how come its guitars sound so good? . . . At least I think they do.
Its a question for the ages! The Tree mahogany has virtually no tap response to speak of but somehow the guitars it produces are among my favourite! I guess it all depends on what ones definition of good sound is??
They are terrible for recording though. Too boomy, too midrangy, too loose, too unclear, too many reverberations. This is the recipe for a muddy recording. Not good for studios.
I’m sorry, mate, but it seems like every one of your videos is always recorded on the lowest volume setting. I thought it was me at first, but watching several of your videos on different devices, including my car, and it’s just apparent that the volume is just too low. If I hear an ad in the middle of your video, I’m scared half to death because the volume has been set so high to compensate for the low recording levels you use.
You’re right, I’ve adjusted this in subsequent videos. What’s weird is that it plays back fine for most people, myself included. Sorry for the heart attacks!
@@TomSandsGuitars excellent. You've great content, and I appreciate every little bit of wisdom you provide. Thank you!