The Okocha vs Ronaldinho Argument, That Is Becoming A Myth. Padded With Lies, Untrue Opinions & All
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.พ. 2022
- How does a player that comes from a country where style of play and skill sets have never been able to be repeated or passed on to the next generation claim to be the person that taught a bonafide footballer that decend from a country with a sustained football style and history of producing that type of players.
Ronaldinho had won the 1997 FIFA U17 world cup in Egypt, dazzled and mesmerized Nigerians from the garden city of Port Harcourt and the rest of the watching world at the 1999 FIFA world youth championship, all these before crossing path, with Austin Jay Jay Okocha, how can anyone all of a sudden claim that Okocha taught Ronaldinho of Brazil, what he does in football?
The two players have extremely different style of play, Okocha was more of a circus show guy with more intention to entertain the crowd, please the watching world at the expense of team goal, while Ronaldinho was a man on a mission with an objective to lead his team to success as well as destroy the opposition.
How can anyone compare a UEFA champions league, world cup, Copa America and FIFA confederations cup winner with Okocha? It is definitely an argument that would not end, but from my end, it is a sin to mention Ronaldinho and Okocha in the same sentence and Okocha does not have what it takes to measure up to Ronaldinho. - กีฬา
Abeg they calm down. Yes Ronaldinho might be better because he achieved more by winning trophies in his career. But if someone didn’t know any better, they would think Okocha was just a below average player based on your analysis. I know it’s all for click baits but the number 1 rule of journalism is being unbiased. How can you say Ronaldinho didn’t know Okocha who had already played at two worldcups and had an Olympic medal before 1999?!!! Besides Okocha moved from Fenarbace to PSG and not the other way around…
Thank you they even played on the same team but ronaldino don’t know okocha? 😂😂😂 Smdh
Always on point and never scared to say the truth. Love you Edafe♥️
I'm from Trinidad and Tobago. Ronaldinho had many stars in team. I don't know that Nigeria had world renowned star in theirs. Let that sink in
It still doesn't sink in
You nailed this Okocha - Ronaldinho debate. I think this argument settles it.
This analysis was deep. Sadly I always felt Jay Jay was wasteful and could have done much more with his talents. We can not blame him as he only played the way he wants. That said I do not enjoy purposeless dribbling which do not end in a chance. Whenever I watch Denmark vs Nigeria, I keep shaking my head as we were entertained but lost woefully. Funny how people do not rate Abou Treka but how effective and influential he was to the Egyptian national team
You have changed my thoughts on this topic, 100% agreed, boss you be a legend when it comes to analyzing football game
Oh edafe,God bless you for being honest n direct with d comparison.
You are right. This expalnation solves this question I have ever asked. I heard a new definition for football here. "Crude oil for poor"
For the first time in my life, someone echoes my thoughts on this subject matter. Okocha doesn’t come close to Ronaldinho. Okocha was just a talented yet very unserious purposeless footballer.
THAT IS WHY I LOVE YOUR ANALYSIS!!!! TOP NOTCH ALWAYS.
This analysis is needed in real life apart from football, waooooow! May your ocean of knowledge dry not. No matter how talented you are, turn your talent to a successful one, people celebrate the successful person not a failure.
I just noticed that you can sometimes be bias with your analysis. I was shocked the other day, you was praising Sadiq Umar, Ola Aina and Kenneth Omeruo etc. it is okay we don’t over criticize our players but it’s also not okay to give unduly praise to some of our players. For example, Sadiq is not a strong striker like Osimhen. Aina lost his man that resulted to our goal against Tunisia. Omeruo has not improved since he started playing for the eagles; he is still shaky like an amateur.
Okocha may not have won trophies but we know who he was as a Number 10 player. As someone has said before Okocha pre year 2000 was different from Okocha post year 2000. He became purposeful with his play. Go and rewatch Nig vs Bra friendly match played in Abuja 2003. Ronaldinho was not seen in the midfield cos Okocha had it in his control. We lost that match not because of Okocha. Infact, Okocha created chances but our strikers did not take advantage of the opportunities. Bolton wanderers were losing some matches cos they didn’t convert the scoring opportunities created by Okocha. During that post year 2000 era all the matches eagles played with Okocha in the middle, we would control and dominate the game. That is opposite of what we have in current eagles. Our midfield is so porous now. Ndidi can only make tackles but no one to hold and dictate the pace of our games like Okocha did in his playing days. If you had a person of Okocha with a good strike like Osimhen, Eagles would have been unstoppable. Finally, I will continue to say that the former Caf president Issa Hayatou manipulated the Caf African baller of year 2003 and 2004 against Okocha to favor his country man Samuel Eto’o. Those two years Okocha was unstoppable and BBC acknowledged that by awarding Okocha its titles.
It is true that football is a poor man's sport especially in Africa and Latin America. The only thing I wish they brought up was when Okocha became captain of Nigeria from 02 to 06 and how he took Nigeria no where. That would have underscored the unseriousness. Great analysis. 👍🏿
JJ was a showman but a horrible team leader.
Ronaldinho achieved more than Okocha but it was due to their choice of clubs, that does not mean that Dinho was better than Okocha. This man is just saying rubbish about Jay Jay. he watched Jay Jay with hatred. why cant we produce a successor since his retirement? i took my time to watch Jay Jay and Dinho and i can tell you that they are the same. the only difference is their choice of clubs and team mates. I will forever salute Jay Jay Okocha.
If reverse was the case, would you dare say this nonsense, if it was Okocha that won world cup, balloan d'or, UCL and Ronaldinho didn't win anything, you would agree to this gibberish you just typed?
This man took Oruma to be Jay Jay Okocha😅😅😅, Actually he don't know Jay Jay Okocha.
This analysis here, is why as human beings we should be circumspect about people who are very outspoken (opinion leaders). They usually have the passion to drive home their points, whether or not they are right or wrong is regardless. If we didn’t know or see Okocha play, going by this analysis, we will all conclude that Okocha was the worst player to ever play the game football. However, despite that fact that Okocha did not win many trophies, he is Nigerian football legend, Bundesliga legend. He is Bolton Wanderer’s legend till thy kingdom come. “Jay Jay, so good they named him twice”. In fact, the English legend Alan Shearer named Okocha as his top 10 EPL players of all times.
Not sure he was a Bundesliga legend though
Okocha is a talent. If he had been born in Europe or natured early by a top manager he would have shone brighter. Discipline was his achilles heel. Paul Scholes and Okocha who would a top manager pick at their prime? It would be Paul Scholes because productivity is what Managers want and not entertainment. Even though Okocha is more naturally talented. My brother you said it all correctly. Naija we too like showboating.
You nailed it man! "Discipline"
Oga Idafe you deh hit hard. You don't care whose ox is goered. Pa J na our own person now. Point of correction, the main JJ is James, their elder brother. Even Emma was then called Emma Nwanne JJ (ie Emma JJ"s brother). Austin came and toke it to international level. That's how we identify fellow players in Enugu then, either by your already popular surname, Kingsley "meringe" Ogbodo; Oke Boardman, your popular senior brother, Emma Nwanne JJ, your street; Emma Asate( Emma from Asate street) ,your school; Ogbodo C.I.C or ones nick name. This is because some players in Enugu do bear the same name or surname and so the need to differentiate and know the particular player we're talking about.
Okocha is very skillful for sure and like he said himself, plays to entatain the crowd. There are many players even in Enugu then who play more purposeful and result oriented football -amongst his contemporaries I mean - but were not that lucky ( Kingsley Ogbodo is one good example). If there was a coach who loved him and ready to cage him, make him play direct football, he would have been better. if we noticed in Atlanta '96 he did not showboat, compared to France '98. If the coach pulls him out and put in another player who brought the needed result, next game if he's played he would have learned his lesson and say to himself, I don't want to sit on the bench. In the National team nobody is competing with him, so the coaches had no other alternative. Only Westerhof tried to hem him in, but maybe his skills were too much to ignore. Could he have benched Etim Esien, what happened to John Ene Okon, these players would have given him a run for his skill. Anyways, I rest my case, Pa J is our own, let's give him his due respect.
I can't believe that this man is here yearning nonsense. Why will say say Barcelona was nothing before Ronaldinho. Okocha played in German league before going to PSG. His transfer to PSG was the most expensive Afican player transfer then. Ronaldinho met okocha at PSG and Okocha took Ronaldinho into his arm then. Ronaldinho was a small boy then. Check your fact well sir and stop yearning nonsense
Samuel Etoo also had a big role to play in Barcelonas success.
You're just spot on
Nigerians should go and watch Ronaldinho when he was in Gremio before he ever came to Europe.
Watched this again recently. One point made here that would be hard to argue about is what if Ronaldinho played in Bolton and Okocha in Barcelona? Exactl, your guess is as good as mine. Definitely on different levels
Did this bro just say Ronaldinho didn't know Okocha?
I mean, Ronaldinho was on the bench when Okocha was in PSG first team...
This is what is called Brutal honesty. I think we should still reserve some level of respect for him.
It would be fair to say Jay Jay Okocha never stepped up on the big occasions. I was watching his highlights and comparing him with Ronaldinho, I'll say they have a lot in common skill wise but Okocha never really finished up on many occasions, his skills were not impactful when it mattered most. So it's safe to say his talents did nothing but won him the cheers and spotlight.
It's just unbelievable a name so pronounced never won anything for his country. And at the club level, not much success.
Very good topic! Glad you discussed it. Okocha is a player I kinda "recently" found out about. I must say if anyone reminds of Ronaldinho then it for sure is Jay-Jay.
I can understand and to some point agree with your argues about Ronaldinho being better than Okocha. Ronaldinho did won everything, but not alone. Ronaldinho had both Ronaldo and Rivaldo when he won world cup 2002 with Brazil. When he won La Liga and champions league he had players like Deco and Eto'o in his team.
Ronaldinho has always more or less played with but also against the worlds best players. Such as Galacticos.
He is also very easy to love because of his skills and charm.
Okocha on the other hand, never played with the absolute best players. His best teammate was Ronaldinho, and it wasn't even prime Ronaldinho.
If Okocha would played along with Deco, R9, Rivaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi etc then maybe Jay-jay would also be more successful.
When it comes to Eto'o I agree with you. Eto'o thinks he himself is the African king of football, not Okocha or Drogba.
For me watching Okocha play is almost as enjoyable to watch as to watch Ronaldinho. Both are wizards with great personalities. Humble and entertaining.
At 9:58 Noooo wonnndddeerrrr. No wonder USA men's national team never produces great players. Football in America is played mostly by rich kids. Hmm that's very eye opening
@elegbete, I also disagree with Eto'o but your analysis of the comment was disrespectful. He's not on Ronaldinho's level wrt results.
I really hope Okocha stopped associating with this guy and his show. this was very distasteful.
😂this guy the only problem I have with okocha is he didn’t move to big teams to win big trophies apart from that skill wise and football wise they are the same stop capping
Jay Jay is best.
This guy forgets that football is about entertainment. Watch Okocha's football. You'll understand what they call entertainment
Abedi Pele 🇬🇭 is far ahead of Okocha
Some people should not be given opportunity to give their opinion in football, because novice in football hearing them would think they are making sense. Imagine Samuel Etoo who is considered the greatest African player of all time, a teammate with Ronaldinho at Barcelona and an opponent to Okocha at international stage, is cunningly telling the whole world that he is occupying someone's position. Greatest African footballer of all time shouldn't be contested. That man shouting in this video are one of the people that will always neglet watching... "example when trying to select video of a good striker to watch" they will always neglet to select videos of, Ronaldo de lima, Benzema, Berbatov, Thierry Henry, strikers that knows football.They will rather go and download best of Haaland, inzaghi etc, and be watching with all seriousness. Sometimes I ask myself what this people are really enjoying. They only want to see the ball enter the goal and they will still ask who scored, Once they see Haaland celebrating. They don't even know how the goal was scored. The next thing you will hear is "Haaaaland!!!! greatest of all time". That man speaking in this video, is a perfect example of them. He knows nothing at all in football. Don't be surprised that when you later discover that he don't even know who is Jay Jay. Even the great Pele himself knows that the God of football is in Africa. You are waiting until you see him in Barcelona, Manchester or Real Madrid, before you recognize him
Don’t forget we got drogba for Africa
That guy is rude i think he as personal issues with Jay Jay the way he analysed was very bad and arrogant.
Okocha is a great influencer in the football history if he didn't won anything that should be is personal fame
I appreciate his talent even with or without anything, how many Nigerian players did we bring into this kind of discussion because his talent wasn't wasted we keep compare him with so call big players.
Guy please appreciate someone talent so that others should appreciate you too,
I don't admire your speech at all so arrogant peace ✌️❤️
That's your business
Soo much falsehood in things that this guy said. Fernabache was before PSG. That PSG team was littered with top players even if they underachieved. They are equally as talented. One talent was harnessed at the other wasn’t period.
What have you said that is different from what I said? Because I mix up the timing of Fenerbache and PSG. Okay, which talent was harnessed and which was not?
I no lie I agree on this one
We africans tend to overrate okocha. that might be driven by biasm.
In you watch okocha's documentary, you will know that okocha was even more talented than dingo......The difference b/w the two is that, Okocha was a wasted talent...;He didn't had better teams and teammates that could compliment him as compared to Ronaldinho;
He failed to live up to expectation cos I viewed him like a footballer without hardwork and purpose and you know that playing entertaining football without results and achievement can't take u to the top, talkless of winning balon for........Even the English footballer John Barnes confessed that when it comes to talent no one in his generation comes close to him . .not even dinho....he can do whatever he wants with the ball
Yeye yeye.......talking in rubbish
I beg to disagree , while he might not have been as impactful as ronaldinho , he was very impactful at bolton wanderers and his exploits there are still acknowledged and acclaimed till today ...
Which impact? Carling cup final
Envious analysis.
where is the envy coming from oga?
Oga you are talking in the rubbish 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ronaldino even said okocha is one of the few players he respected on his level he even mentored him at psg….
That doesn't mean Jay Jay is better, did we all watch the same games over the years or you are on a different planet? Mentoring someone and being better than someone are two different things. Ronaldinho is madness on tv, he dazzled everyone on tv, passes good, scores goals and made you love football even if you are not from Brazil. Jay Jay will dribble and lose the ball most times and doesn't really pass well in comparison to some like Kanu for example.
Can you please give us the link where he said that. Pleaseeeeeee
Ronaldinho also claimed he had zero influence on Messi. Do you believe that too?
Ronaldinho is miles better than okocha, let's not even compare them.
I don’t take people who talk too fast seriously. You can always expect bias from their statements. So in your opinion Iwobi no sabi play ball Abi? Lmao!!
Bros,iwobi no sabi
Does iwobi have the same talent as his own uncle you make silly arguments that’s like saying abedi pele can’t teach his own sons or George Weah or even pele couldn’t teach his own son.You make blind faith points that make no sense , then you come back to say wealth makes you less hungry , so which one is it he can’t teach his own nephew or he’s not hungry because he didn’t grow up poor? See your double sided tongue for a certain tribe….
If people can say Okocha taught Ronaldinho, why can't he teach Iwobi?
Argue from now till eternity, I maintain my stand and if you chose to make it tribal conversation, that's a blackmail that would never work, I am sorry.
@@ELEGBETETV are all fingers equal on your own hand ? Why can’t Peter schemiel make his son a great keeper why can’t yohan cruff make his son as good as him ? You make silly points but okocha must make his own sisters child as good as him that fathers couldn’t do with their own pikin…..
@@ELEGBETETV oga if that man has offended you just say let people apologise instead hating
This guy's an hater,Ronahdihno never won a world cup. And he's talking jargons a thing Ronaldinho himself affirmed he learned from Jay Jay.
Say he didn't utilize his skills.
Nigeria vs Italy and the Italians praised Okocha.
Did you say Ronaldinho never won a world cup? Well it means the 2002 world cup was a preseason tournament I guess.
And Italy won, you just silly
You are talking nonsense.
You hate igbo players any chance you get you find a way to bring them down you jump at the chance, your own tribalism is sickening…..
Okocha is from Delta, when I praise Wilfred Ndid to the high heavens or put my life on the line that Kenneth Omeruo is our best central defender, you were on vacation then abi. When I celebrated Ejuke Chidera or took my time to got develop a football tournament and media campaign for My Anambra, My Football or the Anambra Super 8. You had amnesia at the time right? Well done o.
@@ELEGBETETV you criticized Ejuke this last nations cup and said he needs to be benched You then went and attacked moses Simon and then said even kelechi may not make the World Cup squad “what has he done “keep it up we are watching…
@@karlthepromoterkdk5621 The question I ask, are the criticism wrong? The whole attack on Maduka Okoye, am I not one of a few people defending him, I guess you didn't see that. I am not here to do eye service, if you do well, I am here to praise you to the high heavens but if not, I would have my say. You can start a channel that praise Igbo players, I am sure I have done more for Igbos that you have.
@@ELEGBETETV you have not did nothing but run your lips see your mouth what have you done ? did say I need you to praise igbo players just be fair with your criticizing you can’t wait to throw igbos under the bus with any chance you get nobody cares if they deserve criticism just be fair and balanced and curb your biases…….
@@karlthepromoterkdk5621 your likes are one of the problem in our midst, tribe addicted individuals and you need to free your soul, Okocha was like the Ejuke and chukwueze of today" player's that continue to waste chances that would had helped us to lift a trophy of victory, Nobody is saying Okocha was a bad player, No, but him Okocha was very selfish with the ball's and that was why bigger clubs never bought him and that's the same reason bigger clubs haven't asked for the signature of the likes of Ejuke and chukwueze yet" it's not because they aren't a powerful player's far from that, chukwueze has changed a little bit from the extreme selfish player he once was and I pray he continues because with that big club's will come for him and Ejuke should do likewise and other selfish player's in our National team, football is about results/trophies and not dribbling, dribbling Has never been written in the book of History but victories/trophies has always been written!!! Nwankwo Kanu and Emmanuel amunike was much more beneficial to the super eagles than Okocha and that even includes the likes of Yakubu Aiyegbeni, Julius Aghahowa, so get rid of your addiction to tribe and accept the truth, they all are our brother's regardless of tribe and the reason is because we are one people divided with Tribes!!! Bye