The heat death of the Universe will approximately last for 10^109 years though. 3 quinvigintillion years later, (Universe Coaster's length) The Universe will still be in the Black Hole Era
Headcanon: The ride is somehow rather fun, or at least fun enough not to be true existential torment. This is why someone will get off of it and say "Huh, yeah, let's go for round two"
Mr Bones wild ride is actually only 70 minutes long anyway. It did pioneer the genre of incredibly long rides, but that was more because it was a great meme and not because it was super long.
Technically, no, the universe will still be around. The largest supermassive black holes probably won't decay until after you've gone around that thing as many times as it took years to go around once. ... but there ain't gonna be much to see, that's for sure.
I really appreciate the in depth explanation on exactly how big of a number that was. I've never heard someone try to read a number that big out loud. I figured we had terms past billions and trillions, but having never seen numbers bigger than that (that I can recall anyway), I never thought of how you'd even read them. It was also SUPER helpful that you gave us a point of comparison so we could really understand how big that number is. Never thought you'd help me enjoy math, thanks for the great content!
Yeah, seriously. And the defiance of expectations actually helped a lot with comprehending it, too. "Now, once you're done, you go pick up another grain of sand..." *So what, he's got a whole bag?* "...until you're done disassembling the entire planet Earth."
One game I have played that uses bigger number units like this is called "AdVenture Capitalist" though it doesn't write out the individual numbers as far as I know. Fun little game too.
After trillion comes quadrillion quintillion sextillion septillion octillion nonillion decillion undecillion duodecillion Tredecillion Quattuordecillion Quindecillion Sexdecillion Septendecillion Octodecillion Novendecillion Vigintillion And so on using stacked prefixes for 1-9 10-90 100-900 and I don’t think there is anything that could ever require bigger numbers than that outside of theoretical mathematics seeing as how those numbers would have thousands of digits
Billion is bi Trillion is tri So it goes up to quadrillion, then quintillion, and so on. Unfathomable numbers. And yet, those numbers are nothing in the face of the universe (coaster)
13:09 These guys have goals beyond human understanding. After getting off the Universe Coaster, they went right back. Nothing else matters, just the coaster now. The Universe Coaster became their life. Their... universe.
I mean, what else are they gonna do? After they got off the universe coaster, there's nothing else left. All of the stars have burned out long ago, and the only life that remains in this cold, dead universe is on this roller coaster. Its been made very clear by now that you cannot die, and are doomed to endure this pain for the rest of eternity. And the coaster's seats are a lot more comfortable than standing on the paths.
I mean to be fair, by that point their concept of existence was likely so warped that being on the coaster was the only thing they knew. They may not have even remembered any time before the coaster at all.
The timestamp would be something like 739139019280295010482958810285910483940993039589019584901848499294959104993984949583894949492039589203949494959493939281020581840:53:29
That's my favourite part! It was unintentional as well. I recorded that shot, noticed that some guests went back on the ride, so I redid that shot while following one of the guests that went on the ride again.
I fucking lost it, after Marcel just taught us how insanely long this ride is, they just went trough the deconstruction of all the observable universe, they look far beyond miserable after that and they go on for another ride. I lost it right there I tell you. Well, I guess they have nowhere else to go after it.
Give that AM being given no outlet for his intelligence other than doing calculations for war was the reason he turned into a genocidal torture machine, I'd /love/ to see what he'd make in RCT 😂
@@soogymoogi Dude thought "Lol, you guys went into an ice cave to find some peaches but didn't have a ready made can-opener." was the height of existential torture, he's got nothing on this coaster.
There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you.
The best part of this is that the initial 'slow coaster' barely even matters here. Even if you synced this setup to a 1-second long ride, the ride time of the final coaster in the chain is *still* orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe.
but the reason the units are "years" in the first place is because of the slow coaster. If the slow coaster took 30 seconds, it'd take 10^6 laps until 1 year.
On the other hand, the slow coaster is the _only_ room for improvement without a very different design, since it's the only one where lap time matters - all the others, only lap count matters.
@@MrCheeze Theoretically you could do some more synchronized shenanigans with the 253 coasters to up the number of laps of the long coaster. Right now the long coaster needs 3 laps to make the first binary coaster go around completely, but I'm sure there's a way to get that number higher using more stations in the binary coaster (eg. doing the binary coasters with the same quirk as the universe coaster).
When I was a child, I had a terrible fever and one night I had the most scariest nightmare in my life that to this day still remains the scariest, but it wasn't anything with zombies or monsters chasing me, it was indescribable as to what it is, I just remember the feeling of it and things like how you described counting the atoms of the universe brings back those feelings. It was as if I was forced to count every atom of the universe and if I messed up, I had to start all over. It's just that feeling of whatever you do in your task, it'll never end. I get the same feeling as an adult, when I have to work on a stack of papers and I work on it for hours, days, weeks and when I look at the stack, it seems like it hasn't changed at all or has grown even larger.
I like how the guy who exits the universe coaster completely drained of energy after only god knows how many aeons directly walks back into the line to ride again. "Where shall I go? This is the only thing I've ever known. The universe coaster is my universe."
I love how his walking speed increases abit, witnessing an increasing emotion of excitement, as he walks in the queue-path. The scope of a short term dopamine rush is hilarious in context of the universe coaster.
When you showed the number of years its gonna take i couldn't help burst out laughing so hard, the sheer absurdity is so fucking funny. Thanks for this great content, haven't laughed so hard at a video in a long time. Love your effort with these experiments. Just excellent
TBH after spending enough time on a roller coaster that one would have enough time to disassemble the entire observable universe, who wouldn't feel horrible.
TBH after spending enough time on a roller coaster that one would have enough time to disassemble the entire observable universe, who wouldn't feel horrible.
Every atom in the Computer running this ride would be traveling apart from each other faster than the speed of light (along with every other Atom in the Universe) before this could even get close to a fraction of completing the ride. Very neat! This is why it is important to check reviews before riding any Roller Coaster!
@@OntarioTrafficMan it seems odd to say that it "only" calculates the sum or product of two single-digit integers; i just checked it out again and it's _really_ impressive! (in terms of calculators, ofc, it's a bit shit… you have to wait a long time for the answer! but as a rollercoaster, it's pretty incredible)
13:12 After all that time on the Universe Coaster there's probably nothing left in the universe except this rollercoaster, better get another ticket...
Nah, there's still plenty of supermassive black holes left. Most models don't have the last of those evaporating until at least 10^100 years. There pretty much won't be anything else though. If protons decay on the shorter of the likely time scales, there will be nothing but black holes, photons, and stray electrons and positrons.
@@keiyakins i mean, you can't do much in a black hole, it's a singularity, you can theoretically get inside one without being torn in half due to them being massive enough that their gravity doesn't suddenly suck your legs in, but getting in there would literally not let you do anything since you're stuck in an infinitely small point.
“If there were a mile-high mountain of granite, and once every ten thousand years a bird flew past and brushed it with a feather, by the time that the mountain was worn away, a fraction of a second would have passed on the context of the Universe Coaster.” - Lois Duncan, _Stranger with My Face_
@@petemagnuson7357 I'd heard a slightly different version, but it was in response to the question "How many seconds in eternity?" to which the answer was, "Imagine a mountain of pure diamond, it takes one hour to travel over the mountain, and one hour to go around it. Every hundred years a bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. By the time the mountain has worn away, the first second of eternity will have passed."
@@KL53986 If you take every atom from the universe at a rate of 1 atom per second, it would take around 10^80 seconds to finish the task. The universe has only been around for between 10^10 and 10^11 years, so that's a very long time lol.
So it's finally been done - the power of exponential growth has been harnessed. It may not be the first time that the maximum ride length has been improved, but it's *by far* the most significant improvement, for that reason. So the final version of the coaster works in both vanilla RCT2 and RCT Classic, even though in JJ's screenshot he mentions it exceeds some RCT2 limit? That's a nice touch. Maybe someday OpenRCT2 will include some compatibility options that let you follow the vanilla rules for synchronization, too... that would be a nice feature to have.
JJ's version was built in Classic, which has different limits. All that's different is that his baseline long coaster is a bit longer though, so it has not much impact on the total ride time. Actually my baseline coaster takes longer as the super slow backwards method wasn't discovered yet when JJ made his first version.
Reminds me of the insanity of gear ratios. Where with enough gears you could spin the first gear at the speed of light for a million years before the final gear moves.
@@ieuanhunt552 You can easily build a gear train that could (ignoring breakdowns from friction) turn the first gear for 10^100 years at light speed without moving the last gear a single tooth. There's a TH-cam video where a guy 3D-prints a geartrain with a googol:1 gear ratio.
@@letsmakeit110 He's not using the meme wrong, he's subverting it by re-contextualising its meaning. It's a rollercoaster "of all time" because it figuratively contains all the time that exists.
"This is the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because this is the song that never ends..."
Now this is content, originality and effort! I love how much dedication Marcel puts into this and always finds out a way to reinvent a 20 year old game (which is still a masterpiece, of course)...
Man... I follow your channel since a while now, enjoying pretty much all your video. THIS ONE man.. This one is actually the best so far. Enjoyed it from the initial idea, the execution, the storytelling, explanation and video montage. Thanks Marcel, you da real MVP.
An update to my favourite "series" of sorts! I'm unsurprised that the number got so absurdly large as soon as that synchronization method was figured out, once you move from multiplicative growth to exponential growth things can get massive quickly. It's entirely possible there's still room for improvement, like a way to abuse game mechanics that allows us to use powers of three rather than two, but for our mere mortal minds this is the limit. We've reached an incomprehensible scale, any improvements may be much larger but equally incomprehensible. As a side note, I'm amazed I never knew that one-tile-offset stations can still synchronize. That opens up a ton of possibilities.
Hahha your introduction is awesome. How you started this episode with a kind of creepy intro is awesome. Marcel you never fail to impress with your videos. And to make it feel like it is really creepy to think about such rides. I am glad I am not a mechanic there who is told he only needed to work until the universe coaster made one full lap. Hahah You make a serious but really fun game into something creepy deep and terror. I love it.
Just when you think they can’t keep getting longer… truely we must have peaked. I guess i’ll see you all in 3 years when a new longest ride takes the crown!
3 years later: "I made coaster SO LONG, the energy needed to calculate it's ride time was so big my computer collapsed into a miniature black hole [New World Record?]"
Wait till we break the Poincare Recurrence Time. That's basically how much time will pass until our universe repeats itself, which is about 10^10^10^10^2.08 (whatever units of time you want cause it's so massive).
*Universe is literally deconstructed at the atomic level by one guy around the riders* "I want to go on something more exciting than Universe Coaster."
Man, I played RCT religiously as a kid, and I never knew you could sync stacked stations (say that five times fast) like that. This is absurd. I love it.
"Longer than the universe," is not hyperbole in this case. If you had started riding this coaster when the Big Bang happened, it still wouldn't be even remotely close to finishing by now.
Thanks for the clarification about Vanilla vs OpenRCT2 mechanics at the end - I was wondering why the station synchronization mechanics were different. Love that it works in Vanilla. Truly an epic creation; wonder if gaming media will pick up on this like the last few longest coasters.
That bit with the blue wild mouse coasters at the end is when I first came up with the idea of exponential synchronization. It worked in OpenRCT2, but not in vanilla, so I didn't use it, and it took a while before a method to do it in vanilla was found.
The play styles of people playing these games is fascinating. You have people just messing around making death traps, people actually trying to play the game, and masters who either play normally or create the most sadistic creations
@@jazzabighits4473 Makes sense. Their life before the ride was but an impossibly small fraction of the time they spent on the ride. Maybe they don't even remember it anymore.
If this record progresses any further, I imagine it will start to look similarly to the development mathematicians had coming up with new largest cardinal numbers, where they eventually became so large they were only expressed via abstract proofs showing it was larger than previous numbers rather than a number a lay person can actually read as being a number. Something like TREE(3) is unfathomably large, but it’s larger than other unfathomably large numbers like Graham’s Number in a way I myself can’t even begin to comprehend. Perhaps in the future we’ll have Coasters whose completion time cannot even be easily compared to the previous record holder by just showing them side by side, but can only be abstractly proven to somehow be longer.
the funniest part is that this coaster, while taking an unfathomably long amount of time to ride, still is nowhere near TREE(3) or Graham's Number or Rayo's Number
I'd love to see these rides packed full of guests. It could be a case of pick your own poison, with the uber long & the 3000+ year looping coaster being the "shortest".
New fear unlocked: Waiting 310,450,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years on a roller coaster being unable to do anything about it
Your video was utterly hilarious at the start, the ride going as slow as possible on that insanely long track. That is such a hilarious troll ride I thought to myself. And then you put it in reverse at the end at one quarter the speed, I laughed even harder. And then I realized it was just the first step. Wow that's a real work of art!! Maybe one day when humans unlock immortality, we can create insane rides like this lol
Oh wow! I know we both played around with "openRCT2 only" station configurations a couple years back. I'm impressed you did manage to find a vanilla setup that gives this multiplication Marcel! I'm also impressed by the other improvements!
This is hilariously awesome. I've really enjoyed your videos, I played RCT a lot as a kid but with no real in depth knowledge of the mechanics of the game. Really cool watching you push the limits and it says a lot about the game itself.
I cannot believe someone actually used the same login of a gear shift ratio to extend ride length with such a ridiculously efficient method. Well done Marcel! You continue to astound me!
"There are only three things that are certain in the universe: death, taxes and new ideas to make your guests in RCT2 suffer." -Sun Tzu, The art of park building
Didn't he meant that one atom equal one year on the coaster ? Which means that If all atoms in universe represent one year on the coaster There's not enough atoms in universe to count years on coaster ?
@@michaelrosenstock9187 No, I think the whole analogy was simply how long it would take to count the specified number of atoms (lots of atoms) at a rate of one atom per year and that's how long the coaster would take to complete.
A few years back when I watched the 12-year coaster video I suggested something might be possible by chaining lots of rides together, making each ride dependent on the previous ride. Looks like mission accomplished.
there are plausible models of the universe in which this ride will outlast *protons*. It's plausible that when there is nothing left in the universe but photons, leptons, and black holes... you won't have gotten to the exit yet.
That the game can even compute with these numbers is incredible. The last part of the video shows perfectly, why your channel is not any channel. Great stuff!
how can a video about RCT and some equations stuff be THIS INTERESTING AND THIS FUNNY??? you're a genius. thank you and your discord group for helping delivering this video.
The only way to improve this number is to improve the "lap count Requirement" inbetween wild mouse roller coasters. right now 2 is the base of the exponent. Get that to 3, 4, etc. or even if you can duplicate the universe coaster's 30, we aren't talking observable universe scales anymore. We're talking about every possible version of any possible timeline of any universe.
30^253, = 5e373. Observable universe has 10^80 atoms. Each atom would have to have its own universe of atoms that have their own universe of atoms made up of their own universe. And you still wouldn't be close
I can't help but notice the wild mouse costers are behaving like a binary counter. Now I'm wondering if it is possible to build logic gates in rct. And then, if something could be built Turing complete.
I just did the calculations for 998 wild mouse coasters (For 1,000 ride limit of OpenRCT2) and the theretical time span of that is 5.71*10^302 earth years It's almost a centillion!
I jus started laughing maniacally with every passing moment of the "illustration of scale" bit, because even the feeling from that is an elder god tier understatement. It truly is unfathomable to grasp the full scale of it all.
I love how you already had a setup that beat the heat death of the universe and still put in the effort to make it 90 times longer.
He wants to make sure that it can run until the next big bang
@@DistractedFace more like the next hundred trillion Big bangs
The heat death of the Universe will approximately last for 10^109 years though. 3 quinvigintillion years later, (Universe Coaster's length) The Universe will still be in the Black Hole Era
Headcanon: The ride is somehow rather fun, or at least fun enough not to be true existential torment. This is why someone will get off of it and say "Huh, yeah, let's go for round two"
I mean, the universe is over by the time they got on, there's literally nothing else... Might as well.
@@protercool8474 tbf if they ride it again by the time they get off there might be a new one
@SpooperIsEverywhere and their awaiting for the new one to be destroyed as well. 💀
One must imagine Sisyphus happy
Much better than Mr Bones Wild Ride
Mr Bones' Wild Ride is but an atomic scale blip compared to this. The ride never ends _because the universe will end before the ride does_
Mr Bones wild ride is actually only 70 minutes long anyway. It did pioneer the genre of incredibly long rides, but that was more because it was a great meme and not because it was super long.
Technically, no, the universe will still be around. The largest supermassive black holes probably won't decay until after you've gone around that thing as many times as it took years to go around once.
... but there ain't gonna be much to see, that's for sure.
Mr Bones wants to get off Marcel Vos' wild ride.
@@keiyakins depends if you use logic for ingame or or irl as well
@pjusttheletterpreally.noth2995 About the same as the age of the universe if you have ADHD
I really appreciate the in depth explanation on exactly how big of a number that was. I've never heard someone try to read a number that big out loud. I figured we had terms past billions and trillions, but having never seen numbers bigger than that (that I can recall anyway), I never thought of how you'd even read them. It was also SUPER helpful that you gave us a point of comparison so we could really understand how big that number is. Never thought you'd help me enjoy math, thanks for the great content!
These are the comments that make it all worth it
Yeah, seriously. And the defiance of expectations actually helped a lot with comprehending it, too.
"Now, once you're done, you go pick up another grain of sand..."
*So what, he's got a whole bag?*
"...until you're done disassembling the entire planet Earth."
One game I have played that uses bigger number units like this is called "AdVenture Capitalist" though it doesn't write out the individual numbers as far as I know. Fun little game too.
After trillion comes
quadrillion
quintillion
sextillion
septillion
octillion
nonillion
decillion
undecillion
duodecillion
Tredecillion
Quattuordecillion
Quindecillion
Sexdecillion
Septendecillion
Octodecillion
Novendecillion
Vigintillion
And so on using stacked prefixes for 1-9 10-90 100-900 and I don’t think there is anything that could ever require bigger numbers than that outside of theoretical mathematics seeing as how those numbers would have thousands of digits
Billion is bi
Trillion is tri
So it goes up to quadrillion, then quintillion, and so on. Unfathomable numbers. And yet, those numbers are nothing in the face of the universe (coaster)
13:09
These guys have goals beyond human understanding. After getting off the Universe Coaster, they went right back. Nothing else matters, just the coaster now.
The Universe Coaster became their life.
Their... universe.
I mean, what else are they gonna do? After they got off the universe coaster, there's nothing else left. All of the stars have burned out long ago, and the only life that remains in this cold, dead universe is on this roller coaster. Its been made very clear by now that you cannot die, and are doomed to endure this pain for the rest of eternity. And the coaster's seats are a lot more comfortable than standing on the paths.
it's like that episode of futurama
"another go around?"
I feel like their sense of time must be massively warped- like months go by in a blink of an eye after existing for such a long time.
I mean to be fair, by that point their concept of existence was likely so warped that being on the coaster was the only thing they knew. They may not have even remembered any time before the coaster at all.
Father: How was the ride, son?
Son: It was longer than you think, dad!
(My apologies to Stephen King)
Deconstructing planets, stars and galaxies one atom at a time is such an underrated method of explaining big numbers
Marcel is the reason why I watch the POV videos before riding theme park rides
Yep
The timestamp would be something like 739139019280295010482958810285910483940993039589019584901848499294959104993984949583894949492039589203949494959493939281020581840:53:29
If only that logic applied in reverse. One of Marcel's creations into a POV video.
[hands @@RatelHBadger a JPEG]
@@PaulFisher this better not be one of those monkeys in sunglasses smoking a cigar jobs....
I love these videos... they give me such an uncomfortable sense of existential dread!
The Gods Torturing Man
The fact they got back in line after getting off the ride 😂
That's my favourite part! It was unintentional as well. I recorded that shot, noticed that some guests went back on the ride, so I redid that shot while following one of the guests that went on the ride again.
No matter what device of torment we construct we can never break their spirits
I fucking lost it, after Marcel just taught us how insanely long this ride is, they just went trough the deconstruction of all the observable universe, they look far beyond miserable after that and they go on for another ride. I lost it right there I tell you. Well, I guess they have nowhere else to go after it.
Our minds belong to the coaster.
Our bodies belong to the coaster.
@@MarcelVos That was simply perfect ending for the video :D
At this point, Marcel has basically turned into AM from "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream".
Give that AM being given no outlet for his intelligence other than doing calculations for war was the reason he turned into a genocidal torture machine, I'd /love/ to see what he'd make in RCT 😂
@@soogymoogi Dude thought "Lol, you guys went into an ice cave to find some peaches but didn't have a ready made can-opener." was the height of existential torture, he's got nothing on this coaster.
There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you.
The best part of this is that the initial 'slow coaster' barely even matters here. Even if you synced this setup to a 1-second long ride, the ride time of the final coaster in the chain is *still* orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe.
Yeah, exponentials get huge fast. All that matters here is the 2**253, That alone puts us at 1.447*10**76.
but the reason the units are "years" in the first place is because of the slow coaster. If the slow coaster took 30 seconds, it'd take 10^6 laps until 1 year.
@@BomberJJ yes, and times 30 seconds by 2**253 and you get 10**70 years, which is still quite a lot
On the other hand, the slow coaster is the _only_ room for improvement without a very different design, since it's the only one where lap time matters - all the others, only lap count matters.
@@MrCheeze Theoretically you could do some more synchronized shenanigans with the 253 coasters to up the number of laps of the long coaster. Right now the long coaster needs 3 laps to make the first binary coaster go around completely, but I'm sure there's a way to get that number higher using more stations in the binary coaster (eg. doing the binary coasters with the same quirk as the universe coaster).
When I was a child, I had a terrible fever and one night I had the most scariest nightmare in my life that to this day still remains the scariest, but it wasn't anything with zombies or monsters chasing me, it was indescribable as to what it is, I just remember the feeling of it and things like how you described counting the atoms of the universe brings back those feelings. It was as if I was forced to count every atom of the universe and if I messed up, I had to start all over. It's just that feeling of whatever you do in your task, it'll never end. I get the same feeling as an adult, when I have to work on a stack of papers and I work on it for hours, days, weeks and when I look at the stack, it seems like it hasn't changed at all or has grown even larger.
Sisyphus moment
I like how the guy who exits the universe coaster completely drained of energy after only god knows how many aeons directly walks back into the line to ride again.
"Where shall I go? This is the only thing I've ever known. The universe coaster is my universe."
That's why existence is fundamental
It's probably because all other matter has decomposed by then. Truly, that ride is all that is left.
Like Plato’s cave, this is their reality now
@@randomstuff1019 of course everything has decomposed around the ride : a random dude took the universe appart atom by atom.
I love how his walking speed increases abit, witnessing an increasing emotion of excitement, as he walks in the queue-path. The scope of a short term dopamine rush is hilarious in context of the universe coaster.
Chris Sawyer: "I'm gonna make a cool theme park tycoon game!"
Marcel Vos: "I'm gonna make the biggest torture device with it."
If you think riding it for that long is bad, imagine being stuck in the queue for it.
The difference is that you can leave the queue whenever you want
@@ninjacat230 Until Marcel busts out the entertainers and TVs. Then the guests are permanently stuck, by the AI's POV.
@@cameronbigley7483 now imagine being the entertainer, doing silly dances in a fursuit for that long
@@petersfrischerfisch2946
Furries exist.
@@petersfrischerfisch2946 Hell is real, it is called RCT2.
When you showed the number of years its gonna take i couldn't help burst out laughing so hard, the sheer absurdity is so fucking funny. Thanks for this great content, haven't laughed so hard at a video in a long time. Love your effort with these experiments. Just excellent
The terrifying power of exponentials. This ride has a fear rating of infinity thanks to the existential dread it conjures.
And someone would still puke after riding it.
TBH after spending enough time on a roller coaster that one would have enough time to disassemble the entire observable universe, who wouldn't feel horrible.
TBH after spending enough time on a roller coaster that one would have enough time to disassemble the entire observable universe, who wouldn't feel horrible.
😂😂😂
Waiting for power tower woah belly
Every atom in the Computer running this ride would be traveling apart from each other faster than the speed of light (along with every other Atom in the Universe) before this could even get close to a fraction of completing the ride. Very neat! This is why it is important to check reviews before riding any Roller Coaster!
"1 star:
The fucking universe froze before this ride ended!
3 people found this review useful!"
You've essentially built a binary counter with Wild Mouse coasters here.
I fully expect Marcel to build a fully functioning calculator in RCT2 one of these days. And from there, a computer. And from there, an AI.
@@1337m4n he already has done, i think? i mean, i guess it can't compute logs or exponents, but i'm sure he's already built a product calculator
@@1337m4n Yeah he's already built a calculator out of rollercoasters
@@OntarioTrafficMan it seems odd to say that it "only" calculates the sum or product of two single-digit integers; i just checked it out again and it's _really_ impressive! (in terms of calculators, ofc, it's a bit shit… you have to wait a long time for the answer! but as a rollercoaster, it's pretty incredible)
@@1337m4n Looks like something Matt Parker would be interested in
I'm happy to report that even my dad has heard about this grand achievement
I'm also happy that Mr. Bones is a necessity for these builds
Say hi to your dad for me!
I also love the Mr Bones meme. I love to put little nods to it, like the skeleton in the middle here, in my projects.
13:12 After all that time on the Universe Coaster there's probably nothing left in the universe except this rollercoaster, better get another ticket...
Nah, there's still plenty of supermassive black holes left. Most models don't have the last of those evaporating until at least 10^100 years.
There pretty much won't be anything else though. If protons decay on the shorter of the likely time scales, there will be nothing but black holes, photons, and stray electrons and positrons.
@@keiyakins Guess it's time to wait for the next big bang then so there's more stuff to do.
This sounds and feels like the tragic, comedic end of the monologue Marcel gave at the start of the video.
@@keiyakins i mean, you can't do much in a black hole, it's a singularity, you can theoretically get inside one without being torn in half due to them being massive enough that their gravity doesn't suddenly suck your legs in, but getting in there would literally not let you do anything since you're stuck in an infinitely small point.
Don't worry there will still be a prist counting primary numbers with them
oh my god! you are such a sadistic genius, look at their faces at 13:05 how could you do that to them?! I love it!
I want to get off Mr. Vos's wild ride.
'wild'
You have repeated that statement more than all other human utterances combined.
This is forbidden word, off to the banishment of the universal collapse you go.
@@EvonixTheGreatest We'll, I AM stuck in an eternal coaster... I think I'm allowed to say it every now and then.
@@SimonVega318 I hope you brought snacks with you
This is it. Besides the 12 hour drown-a-thon, this is my all-time favorite Marcel video.
Great job, especially on the script!
“If there were a mile-high mountain of granite, and once every ten thousand years a bird flew past and brushed it with a feather, by the time that the mountain was worn away, a fraction of a second would have passed on the context of the Universe Coaster.” - Lois Duncan, _Stranger with My Face_
What's the original quote about? I see that a lot but don't remember the context
@@petemagnuson7357 I'd heard a slightly different version, but it was in response to the question "How many seconds in eternity?" to which the answer was, "Imagine a mountain of pure diamond, it takes one hour to travel over the mountain, and one hour to go around it. Every hundred years a bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. By the time the mountain has worn away, the first second of eternity will have passed."
@@digifreak90 man, that quote absolutely slaps. Thanks!
You may think that’s a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that’s a hell of a bird.
@@CplShephard1
I understood that reference.
I didn't expect cosmic horror when clicking on this video but here we are :D
You made a clock to measure the life of the universe using rollercoasters as a unit of time! 😂 Beautiful!
The power of exponential growth :o
I think taking each atom from every brain of sand from entire planet earth is already good reason how to count when universe will end.
@@KL53986 If you take every atom from the universe at a rate of 1 atom per second, it would take around 10^80 seconds to finish the task. The universe has only been around for between 10^10 and 10^11 years, so that's a very long time lol.
I'm so glad this was in my recommended. Absolutely absurd extremes of a game I adore and I love it.
So it's finally been done - the power of exponential growth has been harnessed.
It may not be the first time that the maximum ride length has been improved, but it's *by far* the most significant improvement, for that reason.
So the final version of the coaster works in both vanilla RCT2 and RCT Classic, even though in JJ's screenshot he mentions it exceeds some RCT2 limit? That's a nice touch. Maybe someday OpenRCT2 will include some compatibility options that let you follow the vanilla rules for synchronization, too... that would be a nice feature to have.
JJ's version was built in Classic, which has different limits. All that's different is that his baseline long coaster is a bit longer though, so it has not much impact on the total ride time. Actually my baseline coaster takes longer as the super slow backwards method wasn't discovered yet when JJ made his first version.
Reminds me of the insanity of gear ratios. Where with enough gears you could spin the first gear at the speed of light for a million years before the final gear moves.
@@ieuanhunt552 You can easily build a gear train that could (ignoring breakdowns from friction) turn the first gear for 10^100 years at light speed without moving the last gear a single tooth. There's a TH-cam video where a guy 3D-prints a geartrain with a googol:1 gear ratio.
hi mrcheeze
@@EtchJetty sup bowser
2:04 that’s what she said
She said it all starts with the looping coaster?
@ the bit before that. 😝
Nice
2:01
@@oberonpanopticon it all starts with the looping coaster😏
this is literally a rollercoaster of all time.
You mean the longest
@@windflier1684 no, i think he did indeed write it the intended way.
@@windflier1684 yeah hes using the meme wrong. its meant to celebrate mediocrity but this coaster is superlative.
@@letsmakeit110 He's not using the meme wrong, he's subverting it by re-contextualising its meaning. It's a rollercoaster "of all time" because it figuratively contains all the time that exists.
@@Eagle0600 And, by our measures of understanding anyway, will ever exist.
I once made a 4 minute wooden coaster in Rct3 and was very proud.
The forbidden RCT game
@@tappajaav That’d be the abomination of 2016.
@@tappajaavNah, RCT1-2, are great, 3 is decent, Planet Coaster is good, and all the others are abominations
@@StephanieMiller-r3m Valve and OG RCT fans have lot in common. Neither wants to count to 3.
I love your opening narration. What a fantastic story, you really painted a picture with words
Dad did not go out "to buy milk", he just got a ticket for a free ride and had no idea.
"This is the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because this is the song that never ends..."
Now this is content, originality and effort! I love how much dedication Marcel puts into this and always finds out a way to reinvent a 20 year old game (which is still a masterpiece, of course)...
This is somehow one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen
because for a second you glimpsed the matrix
Agreed
Man... I follow your channel since a while now, enjoying pretty much all your video. THIS ONE man.. This one is actually the best so far. Enjoyed it from the initial idea, the execution, the storytelling, explanation and video montage. Thanks Marcel, you da real MVP.
An update to my favourite "series" of sorts! I'm unsurprised that the number got so absurdly large as soon as that synchronization method was figured out, once you move from multiplicative growth to exponential growth things can get massive quickly.
It's entirely possible there's still room for improvement, like a way to abuse game mechanics that allows us to use powers of three rather than two, but for our mere mortal minds this is the limit. We've reached an incomprehensible scale, any improvements may be much larger but equally incomprehensible.
As a side note, I'm amazed I never knew that one-tile-offset stations can still synchronize. That opens up a ton of possibilities.
Marcel Vos: "Imagine boarding a roller coaster,"
Me: *"Uh oh."*
the way he goes from the intro into the joyous 'hello everyone' cracks me up
Hahha your introduction is awesome. How you started this episode with a kind of creepy intro is awesome.
Marcel you never fail to impress with your videos. And to make it feel like it is really creepy to think about such rides.
I am glad I am not a mechanic there who is told he only needed to work until the universe coaster made one full lap.
Hahah
You make a serious but really fun game into something creepy deep and terror. I love it.
Just when you think they can’t keep getting longer… truely we must have peaked.
I guess i’ll see you all in 3 years when a new longest ride takes the crown!
Multiverse Coaster here we come!
3 years later: "I made coaster SO LONG, the energy needed to calculate it's ride time was so big my computer collapsed into a miniature black hole [New World Record?]"
Wait till we break the Poincare Recurrence Time. That's basically how much time will pass until our universe repeats itself, which is about 10^10^10^10^2.08 (whatever units of time you want cause it's so massive).
*Universe is literally deconstructed at the atomic level by one guy around the riders*
"I want to go on something more exciting than Universe Coaster."
I love how you put Mr. Bones in the middle. It's a must.
Great video and discovery!
Man, I played RCT religiously as a kid, and I never knew you could sync stacked stations (say that five times fast) like that.
This is absurd. I love it.
"Longer than the universe," is not hyperbole in this case. If you had started riding this coaster when the Big Bang happened, it still wouldn't be even remotely close to finishing by now.
You know a coaster is long when ever the age of the universe is too short to be a good comparison for how long it is.
The 33rd wild mouse would have been the furthest one along the chain to move if ran at normal speed. At 128x speed it would be on the 40th wild mouse
@@daleftuprightatsoldierfield Only that far along by now, hot dayum. Thanks for doing the math on that.
Thanks for the clarification about Vanilla vs OpenRCT2 mechanics at the end - I was wondering why the station synchronization mechanics were different. Love that it works in Vanilla. Truly an epic creation; wonder if gaming media will pick up on this like the last few longest coasters.
That bit with the blue wild mouse coasters at the end is when I first came up with the idea of exponential synchronization. It worked in OpenRCT2, but not in vanilla, so I didn't use it, and it took a while before a method to do it in vanilla was found.
This is an scp
I've never seen the Bhuddist concept of Samsara and Nirvana so eloquently illustrated before!
Treat yourself to an amusement park ride, the Buddha said. It will be fun, he said...
The play styles of people playing these games is fascinating. You have people just messing around making death traps, people actually trying to play the game, and masters who either play normally or create the most sadistic creations
came for the funny coasters, stayed for the existential dread
Reverse for me 😅
Why hello, CEO of W Corp. Nice Warp Train.
I can't stop laughing at 13:13 where the person just really wants to ride it again
They look so sad about it. They want to leave but it's like a prisoner who has been institutionalised. They know nothing but the ride lmao
@@jazzabighits4473 Makes sense. Their life before the ride was but an impossibly small fraction of the time they spent on the ride. Maybe they don't even remember it anymore.
mr bones was only the beginning. mr universe is waiting at the end of time and space. the ride never ends
Great vid. Love your work
This video filled me with absolute existential dread.
My man goes full existential crisis mode over the happy fun rollercoaster game
11/10
I want to get off The Universe Coaster
Did you forget the universe already ended ? We are all dead, nothing exists but void.
And the coaster.
@@Kromgar True the coaster wasnt destroyed it just is floating in space of nothingness
Guest 1352: hey check out this brand new coaster at my home park. Can’t wait to ride this
If this record progresses any further, I imagine it will start to look similarly to the development mathematicians had coming up with new largest cardinal numbers, where they eventually became so large they were only expressed via abstract proofs showing it was larger than previous numbers rather than a number a lay person can actually read as being a number.
Something like TREE(3) is unfathomably large, but it’s larger than other unfathomably large numbers like Graham’s Number in a way I myself can’t even begin to comprehend.
Perhaps in the future we’ll have Coasters whose completion time cannot even be easily compared to the previous record holder by just showing them side by side, but can only be abstractly proven to somehow be longer.
the funniest part is that this coaster, while taking an unfathomably long amount of time to ride, still is nowhere near TREE(3) or Graham's Number or Rayo's Number
Next goal has been set then. Cannot wait until we achieve recurrence time.
Dude, first of all it's called three, not tree, and second of all it's not that big, it's just three things. What a silly comment.
@@Fernybunsmartest furry, unless this is sarcasm
When I saw the depressed man in the yellow shirt getting on the Universe Coaster, I yelled "NOOOooooo... . . ."
Alternate title for this video: "Marcel Makes You Have an Existential Crisis while Roller Coaster Tycoon Plays Fitting Music."
I'd love to see these rides packed full of guests. It could be a case of pick your own poison, with the uber long & the 3000+ year looping coaster being the "shortest".
New fear unlocked:
Waiting 310,450,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years on a roller coaster being unable to do anything about it
3:03 Shoutout to the mascot guy walking back and forth for eternity.
Man that intro was 10/10. Love this channel.
One of the greatest examples I've ever seen of "just because we can do a thing, doesn't mean we should do a thing".
I thought that you couldn't become insane watching a video about a game where you build and manage theme parks. I was wrong.
Douglas Adams would have loved this
Dude, that's half of this channel!
It's like being stuck in the worst traffic jam.
Oh my god he made a gearbox out of coasters lmao
This game is a mess of possibilities.
I love it.
I'd love to see an interview of Chris Sawyer by Marcel Vos, and then, an interview of Marcel Vos by Chris Sawyer.
Same.
Your video was utterly hilarious at the start, the ride going as slow as possible on that insanely long track. That is such a hilarious troll ride I thought to myself. And then you put it in reverse at the end at one quarter the speed, I laughed even harder. And then I realized it was just the first step. Wow that's a real work of art!! Maybe one day when humans unlock immortality, we can create insane rides like this lol
And all that time, Chert continues to bop peacefully on his drum.
1:58 "So, how does it work, and why is it so incredibly long?"
That's what SHE said
That moment those guests were finally released from their journey and then went back into the queue for a second round!
Life is temporary roller coaster is forever
Oh wow! I know we both played around with "openRCT2 only" station configurations a couple years back. I'm impressed you did manage to find a vanilla setup that gives this multiplication Marcel!
I'm also impressed by the other improvements!
I didn't find it, JJ (member of my Discord server) found it.
"And when the coaster finally pulls into its stop, the first second of eternity will have passed."
I think the cruelest part of this coaster is not putting a toilet by the entrance!
I think it crueler to put it in view of the guests on the ride. So very close. Forever.
Josh taking notes
Grace *screams horrifying *
Good old Grace "sux 2 be u" Cohen
This is hilariously awesome. I've really enjoyed your videos, I played RCT a lot as a kid but with no real in depth knowledge of the mechanics of the game. Really cool watching you push the limits and it says a lot about the game itself.
Mom: Hey Marcel, when you finnaly got a job ?
Marcel:
I love thought experiments for large numbers. This was awesome.
so do I. TREE(3), Graham's Number, Rayo's number. I'm so fascinated by these beasts
Man, your videos (and the way you narrate it) are so hypnotic...
I laughed hard when you started to read the number....
I cannot believe someone actually used the same login of a gear shift ratio to extend ride length with such a ridiculously efficient method. Well done Marcel! You continue to astound me!
"There are only three things that are certain in the universe: death, taxes and new ideas to make your guests in RCT2 suffer."
-Sun Tzu, The art of park building
I just counted my first atom today, I'll check back next year with an update. Wish me luck guys!
Didn't he meant that one atom equal one year on the coaster ? Which means that
If all atoms in universe represent one year on the coaster
There's not enough atoms in universe to count years on coaster ?
@@michaelrosenstock9187 No, I think the whole analogy was simply how long it would take to count the specified number of atoms (lots of atoms) at a rate of one atom per year and that's how long the coaster would take to complete.
@@PropagatorNET we are like the disciples of Plato conversing on his teaching
Have you counted the second atom yet, king?
@@CaloCreek I have indeed, that makes... *clatters buttons on calculator*... Two! See you next year! 🤣
A few years back when I watched the 12-year coaster video I suggested something might be possible by chaining lots of rides together, making each ride dependent on the previous ride.
Looks like mission accomplished.
there are plausible models of the universe in which this ride will outlast *protons*. It's plausible that when there is nothing left in the universe but photons, leptons, and black holes... you won't have gotten to the exit yet.
Eventually, the guests stopped thinking.
That the game can even compute with these numbers is incredible.
The last part of the video shows perfectly, why your channel is not any channel.
Great stuff!
I'm not sure what's more insane, the time it takes for the ride the Universe Coaster or the people who boarded it again after riding it.
how can a video about RCT and some equations stuff be THIS INTERESTING AND THIS FUNNY??? you're a genius. thank you and your discord group for helping delivering this video.
The only way to improve this number is to improve the "lap count Requirement" inbetween wild mouse roller coasters. right now 2 is the base of the exponent. Get that to 3, 4, etc. or even if you can duplicate the universe coaster's 30, we aren't talking observable universe scales anymore. We're talking about every possible version of any possible timeline of any universe.
30^253, = 5e373. Observable universe has 10^80 atoms. Each atom would have to have its own universe of atoms that have their own universe of atoms made up of their own universe. And you still wouldn't be close
i hate you for this headache but that’s genius
I can't help but notice the wild mouse costers are behaving like a binary counter. Now I'm wondering if it is possible to build logic gates in rct. And then, if something could be built Turing complete.
I just did the calculations for 998 wild mouse coasters (For 1,000 ride limit of OpenRCT2) and the theretical time span of that is 5.71*10^302 earth years
It's almost a centillion!
Amazing video. Can’t lie the explanation of how insanely long it takes was amazing
I jus started laughing maniacally with every passing moment of the "illustration of scale" bit, because even the feeling from that is an elder god tier understatement. It truly is unfathomable to grasp the full scale of it all.
your videos never cease to amaze me. i don't even play RCT anymore but still appreciate your creativity. great job 👏!
Marcel is now apparently getting into NASA and exploring the universe with RCT2 rides, way to go Marcel!