It also makes sense since it kind of already exists, at least the fundamental concept. Poleaxes had spiked ends, so that they could offend with both sides.
There have been weapons similar to this used on the battlefield. I kinda believe the only reason double spears weren't more common is just because they're so hard to carry around all the time. There's not a lot of good ways to sheath it and having blades on both ends means you have to constantly watch at least one anytime you carry it around.
@@jbear9 Yeah, where do you see a lot of double-ended spears and such? Prominent examples include Chinese Kung Fu weapons, which are intended for duels, demonstrations of skill, or one martial artist holding off multiple opponents. But in a battlefield formation context, it's not just about controlling your own space anymore, now you have to worry about not getting in the way of the comrades who are right next to you.
@@digitaljanus depending on what you qualify as an end, Greek spears of the classical era often had a very pronounced butt spike and they were totally intended for battlefield use
@digitaljanus that's kind of my point. If you have to worry too much about what's around you all the time you probably don't want full size blades on both ends of a long pole. One full size blade and a smaller spike is much safer and more easily managed.
@@pkfiremain710 I've played the entire game start to finish and mained Mysitc Spearhand, and used all of them. they're all the same length in game. how bout you talk about a subject you know about next time
@@scrapkingkeita3825 Other way around-ish. A lot of the first game's development was used as a testbed for monsters and mechanics they wanted to implement in World.
@@Rynjinivar both can be true. We know that MonHun teams lends out their assets to the other teams (Yian Kutku's skeleton and animations were used for Malphas, as an example). I'm pretty sure in DD2, the boss at the Sacred Arbor during the UW segment also uses the Najarala skeleton
The Spearhand has some metal armor options, but I'm actually playing Warfarer here with Spearhand skills equipped to get access to the fighter armor I like. You don't lose much by playing Warfarer instead once you max out Spearhand. Just a minor stat penalty and no access to the maester skill.
@@regretfullchief8866 Yep but at like 20% of the rate, so unless you boost to find Warfarer it'll not be super worthwhile once you get it to max rank itself.
The historical weapon it's based on is the Jägerstock. Johann Georg Pascha has a treatise on it, wikitenauer has a translation. He describes both cutting and thrusting techniques.
I think the only issue with having a double bladed polearm is that you’d never be able to let it rest on the ground without risking damaging your blade. A basic spike would work since you wouldn’t have an edge that would dull, and it would be easier to replace a simple spike than a full blade. The concept is pretty interesting though
@@Soridan that would be very inconvenient in a fight. If you don’t have a clasp on the sheath it’s going to fall off easily, and if you do have a clasp you’ll have to undo it and slide off the sheath every time you want to use it which will leave you open to an attack
I am actually so happy. I am also playing Dragon's Dogma 2. And I asked myself "what would Robin think of the double spear?". Well, I got my answer! :D
Actually my favorite class to play. Keeps you in the thick of it but you get to use badass magical powers at the same time. Magick Archer comes a close second but that's mainly for if I want to Breeze through stuff
I think the darth maul spin is used to good effect in DD2. it leaves you vulnerable, but offers a torrent of lighter hitting cuts to intimidate enemies. plus the finisher is certainly an effective strike if I have a problem with the realism of the duospear, it's honestly how few attacks take advantage of the fact that it has two ends. it's still utilized, but it could be utilized more actively
@@ExileTwilight i completely agree,i luke the heft in every swing but it only makes sense with the hammers and the more extreme swords wich tend to either be really large or explicitly made of something heavy(black matter hammer for exemple)
First time Dragons Dogma player here. I would LOVE more enemy variety, but if I had to chose I’d love more vocations and more build variety like more skills and more horizontal gear progression. Also I think some non combat skill progression like fishing, cooking or potion making would be amazing. I’m loving the game so far and just want more!!
I don't know if it's also just because double bladed spears but something about it is just sooo much cooler than the Dark souls glaive design. IDK if it's because of the vocation using it, because of the weapon, or the practicality of it
I think that a double bladed sword has a few advantages over a regular sword or polearm, but overall the double bladed polearm is definitely cheaper and more versatile for a fantasy adventurer, whereas the double bladed sword is more of a battlefield weapon, but other than those few gripes, definitely agree.
No. No no no, you stop that. The double-bladed sword is a prop at best. Swords are not "battlefield weapons", they are sidearms, which are only really effective against unarmored opponents. There are techniques that allow it to be used against an armored opponent, but only as a last resort and literally any other weapon would be preferable. Spears, polearms, things that can effectively be used in formations are battlefield weapons.
A double ended polearm does seem like a better way to go about it. I was curious about what a polearm with a slashing end and a stabbing end would feel like to wield.
Yeah one of the best things about Dragon Dogma 2 is the way they Incorporated practical weaponry for a medieval fantasy type game. They did an excellent job making things seem realistic while also inside the realm of fantasy for Honor to this day is still the most realistic medieval style combat I've ever seen them in a video game
I have a D&D character who uses a double-bladed “sword”, but the handle is like 3/8 to 1/2 the overall length so it’s basically in between a sword and a polearm. The backstory reason for the twin blade is also pretty interesting in my opinion. He’s a Paladin whose oath revolves around weapons mastery, but he’s also a (fantasy) gladiator, so a flashy and unorthodox but still effective weapon is a perfect fit.
Fun fact in starwars a Sith Lord had a double sword saber until maul came and revamped it making the handle longer so he could use it like a double spear
The vocation is fun BUT I WANT MY MYSTIC KNIGHT BACK :,( The sequel would’ve been the perfect opportunity to fix them having the shield on their back and only pulling it out to parry, but noooo……
You can be a pretty effective mystic knight as warfarer, especially since it gives you the option to switch weapons mid combat without pausing, compared to the first game where you needed to go into you equipment menu to switch from mace/sword to stave
I think my favorite double bladed thing is the beam Naganata which pre dates darth maul by the way! MS hands can rotate freely so they can spin in one hand etc.
My idea of the ideal twin blade would be a handle that's as big as your shoulder width, and the two blades are just barely shorter than an average straightsword.
I actually recognize this weapon from Ben Oldings "Warlords" game series. That type of weapon was used by a race specific unit called the whirler and a character named Ender from Warlords Heroes, except it resembled more of a double bladed war scythe than a double bladed spear. Ah... The glory days of flash...
Double bladed swords would never really work irl. It does however work in Star Wars as a lightsaber concept, because the blade itself is weightless, with only the hilt having any weight, as insignificant as it might be. You also don't need to put too much power into it (made of literal laser, you only have to touch your opponent), as you rely more on acrobatics and constantly switching back and forth between which blade end you're using to attack.
More devs could learn a thing or two from some of these games' weapon animations. I wish more fantasy games were animated with some more real-world weapon maneuvers
The mystic speahand has always felt like the absolute perfect 50/50 magic, melee split. Mystic knight from dragons dogma always felt WAY too martial. Like the magic was way too cut and dry. You were a fighter with a good Special effects department. You were either playing the game in the boring way, or you weren't playing efficiently. High Scepter from Dragons Dogma Online is absolutely the most fun magic/melee hybrid, but it feels like if they're a wizard with extra steps. It's swordplay runs almost entirely on magic powered anime bullshit. I still love it and sword fighters would 100% do the same things if they had magic, but there's not a lot of classical technique there. Mystic spearhand feels the most balanced, with its actual combat feeling fluid and great. Most of the skills that involve directly attacking the enemy with their weapon feel great to land and hefty on their own right, then their upgraded versions also add magic damage and effects to their already solid weapon skills. Pairing it with the stunning bolt and Mystic spearhand just feels like genuine style that real soldier would develop if they had magic.
Ive been playing DD2 as well and im not gonna lie... Everytime I tried a new class i thought of what your channel! This game has some of thenbest combat animationsnive ever seen in a video game... Everything is so fluid and fun!
Eleonora's Poleblade in Elden Ring definitely had a ton of grip compared to the other Twinblades (heck, it's right there in the name), but they definitely didn't capitalize on it the way DD2 did, I suppose. Oh well it looks neat.
i have that Hewing blade! and love it, might actualy get a second and recreate the DuoSpear from DD2, and yeah thats the official name for the weapon type ingame
What do you think and how effective that you will using a Han Dynasty Ji Halberd? Is it lighter, less metal, low-cost(affordable for peasants), simple to create, penetrate armor, and effective to fight than the European Halberd?
That was the whole point the Shadaversity videos about the dual blade sword was it needed a longer haft to hold and swing with. And you'd fight with it more like a pole arm them a sword.
It also makes sense since it kind of already exists, at least the fundamental concept. Poleaxes had spiked ends, so that they could offend with both sides.
There have been weapons similar to this used on the battlefield. I kinda believe the only reason double spears weren't more common is just because they're so hard to carry around all the time. There's not a lot of good ways to sheath it and having blades on both ends means you have to constantly watch at least one anytime you carry it around.
@@jbear9 Yeah, where do you see a lot of double-ended spears and such? Prominent examples include Chinese Kung Fu weapons, which are intended for duels, demonstrations of skill, or one martial artist holding off multiple opponents. But in a battlefield formation context, it's not just about controlling your own space anymore, now you have to worry about not getting in the way of the comrades who are right next to you.
@@digitaljanus depending on what you qualify as an end, Greek spears of the classical era often had a very pronounced butt spike and they were totally intended for battlefield use
@digitaljanus that's kind of my point. If you have to worry too much about what's around you all the time you probably don't want full size blades on both ends of a long pole. One full size blade and a smaller spike is much safer and more easily managed.
butt spikes: offensive, but not _too_ offensive
A magic wielding teleporting beam shooting stick spinning machine, and here i am, gazing longingly at the spears they give to guards
Me too buddy
Dude for real.
I'm just glad a fantasy game FINALLY gave us a polearm class, they're severely lacking in games
its criminal how few medieval RPGs let you use spears as main weapons
Well at least we get some form of polearm wielding class. Its criminal how polearms are just entirely abscent in many medieval fantasy games
I like how you've gone from Clark Kent investigating Lex Luthor's finances to Geraldo Rivera about to open Al Capone's vault.
Strangely specific and I love it
To be fair some of the duospears have absolutely massive blades, lindworms fang being one
yeah almost like a double bladed bardiche
all of them have the same size blade. every single one of them.
@@soloshottieNot true, please for the love of God talk about a subject you know about next time.
@@soloshottie "I've seen the three you get at the start and am an expert on the matter" lmaoooo what are you on
@@pkfiremain710 I've played the entire game start to finish and mained Mysitc Spearhand, and used all of them. they're all the same length in game. how bout you talk about a subject you know about next time
My brain immediately went "insect glaive!" (from Monster Hunter) when I saw the game clips.
Not terribly far off, and both games are Capcom titles too. If you like MH, you'd likely like DD1 and 2.
@@silorion9967 Pretty sure a bunch of the monsters are also straight up borrowing skeletons from the MonHun team
@@scrapkingkeita3825 Other way around-ish. A lot of the first game's development was used as a testbed for monsters and mechanics they wanted to implement in World.
@@Rynjinivar both can be true. We know that MonHun teams lends out their assets to the other teams (Yian Kutku's skeleton and animations were used for Malphas, as an example).
I'm pretty sure in DD2, the boss at the Sacred Arbor during the UW segment also uses the Najarala skeleton
Mine too haha
Mystic Spearhand is so cool, love it. It's basically like trying to make Darth Maul practical, with the mix of telekinesis and staff/polearm fighting.
Ah i am so glad you can wear plate as mystic spear hand, I was worried it would be restricted to only the fighter class
The Spearhand has some metal armor options, but I'm actually playing Warfarer here with Spearhand skills equipped to get access to the fighter armor I like. You don't lose much by playing Warfarer instead once you max out Spearhand. Just a minor stat penalty and no access to the maester skill.
@@robinswords Warfarer also levels up all other vocations
@@Mare_Manwait really
@@regretfullchief8866 Yep but at like 20% of the rate, so unless you boost to find Warfarer it'll not be super worthwhile once you get it to max rank itself.
@@regretfullchief8866not much to worry about if you fight a lot of monsters daily…within an hour of playing mystic spear hand I already was level 3
The historical weapon it's based on is the Jägerstock. Johann Georg Pascha has a treatise on it, wikitenauer has a translation. He describes both cutting and thrusting techniques.
Damn, thats sick, History is truly more fantasy than fantasy.
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@@Chris____. worth checking out african throwing knives/blades. Truly designs that one could dismiss with "what is this fantasy mmo bullcrap?".
is that just the hunting spear or? boar spear?
@@purplehaze557 It's a two-ended spear. Boar spears are a type of winged spear.
I was so pleasantly surprised by the Mystic Spearhand vocation - it ended up being way cooler and way more capable than I thought :D
I think the only issue with having a double bladed polearm is that you’d never be able to let it rest on the ground without risking damaging your blade. A basic spike would work since you wouldn’t have an edge that would dull, and it would be easier to replace a simple spike than a full blade. The concept is pretty interesting though
interestingly, there is at least one in the game with spear on one side, and the other having a blunt end for bashing gobbos, mitigating blade damage
detachable spear head when not in use?
@@joramespina345 just use a sheath for the head.
@@Soridan that would be very inconvenient in a fight. If you don’t have a clasp on the sheath it’s going to fall off easily, and if you do have a clasp you’ll have to undo it and slide off the sheath every time you want to use it which will leave you open to an attack
@@artsy_dragon_creations No shit, spear sheaths aren't for fighting.
I liked playing a Jedi in Dragon's Dogma 2 as well.
Knew you'd love this one specifically
My man really just wanted to show off his new jacket, and I don't blame you, it's nice. I have one in black!
I am actually so happy. I am also playing Dragon's Dogma 2. And I asked myself "what would Robin think of the double spear?". Well, I got my answer! :D
Actually my favorite class to play. Keeps you in the thick of it but you get to use badass magical powers at the same time. Magick Archer comes a close second but that's mainly for if I want to Breeze through stuff
I think the darth maul spin is used to good effect in DD2. it leaves you vulnerable, but offers a torrent of lighter hitting cuts to intimidate enemies. plus the finisher is certainly an effective strike
if I have a problem with the realism of the duospear, it's honestly how few attacks take advantage of the fact that it has two ends. it's still utilized, but it could be utilized more actively
It also allows more combo potential and area access as well
its not a new concept but its definiting my favorite double sided weapons
Makes more sense than the entire Twinblade weapon class in Elden Ring
Dragon's Dogma's depiction of weapon technique has usually been pretty sensible for the most part.
Meanwhile,the warrior is swinging a zweihander like it is a bus on a stick
@@sapateirovalentin348 I like the power that Warrior has, but I agree the heaviness is greatly exaggerated for any of the basic weapons..
@@ExileTwilight i completely agree,i luke the heft in every swing but it only makes sense with the hammers and the more extreme swords wich tend to either be really large or explicitly made of something heavy(black matter hammer for exemple)
@@sapateirovalentin348
The weight if 2 handed weapons is always heavily exaggerated
First time Dragons Dogma player here. I would LOVE more enemy variety, but if I had to chose I’d love more vocations and more build variety like more skills and more horizontal gear progression. Also I think some non combat skill progression like fishing, cooking or potion making would be amazing. I’m loving the game so far and just want more!!
Yep. attention to detail.
When I get around to making handheld weapons for my D&D worlds, I'm definitely keeping this in mind.
I don't know if it's also just because double bladed spears but something about it is just sooo much cooler than the Dark souls glaive design. IDK if it's because of the vocation using it, because of the weapon, or the practicality of it
Not the hero that we need but the hero that we deserve.
Everything aside, damn, your outfit is drop-dead gorgeous. You look so good either ❤
Very coo weapon, the Double Bladed Polearm. Caelan Erikson The Norseman would wield that weapon and rock that trenchcoat
I love the weapons in this game
Just happy to see dd and dd2 getting attention
Spinning may not be affective but it looks cool and that's why almost every video game as a spinning attack
You would be suprised. Montante is basically entirely "just" spinning a two handed sword around you. Good luck for anyone to trying to stop it.
Spinning has its place, and that place is where momentum > dexterity
My God this man's tastes are impeccable! Sir Robin is truly a man of class
Confirmed, optimal weapon in a long stick with a pin on each end
As much as I love the mystic spearhand vocation, I wish we had got the mystic knight from the first game instead.
Pascha has a text on the double-spea which he calls jaegerstock. He also calls it the half-pike or hunting spear.
I think that a double bladed sword has a few advantages over a regular sword or polearm, but overall the double bladed polearm is definitely cheaper and more versatile for a fantasy adventurer, whereas the double bladed sword is more of a battlefield weapon, but other than those few gripes, definitely agree.
No. No no no, you stop that.
The double-bladed sword is a prop at best.
Swords are not "battlefield weapons", they are sidearms, which are only really effective against unarmored opponents.
There are techniques that allow it to be used against an armored opponent, but only as a last resort and literally any other weapon would be preferable.
Spears, polearms, things that can effectively be used in formations are battlefield weapons.
So what I'm hearing is "More stick, more better!"
A double ended polearm does seem like a better way to go about it. I was curious about what a polearm with a slashing end and a stabbing end would feel like to wield.
Mystic SpearHEAD 💀💀
Honestly I think this might be the coolest guy
Dude where do I get that outfit?? This man is always dressed amazingly
He got that from a thrift store, a whole set for less than 30 bucks apparently
Even his DD2 character looks dope
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Well ot was made by the DMC devs so the drip is real
Yeah one of the best things about Dragon Dogma 2 is the way they Incorporated practical weaponry for a medieval fantasy type game. They did an excellent job making things seem realistic while also inside the realm of fantasy for Honor to this day is still the most realistic medieval style combat I've ever seen them in a video game
I’ve been a halberd bearing Barbarian since the mid 1990s. Love your spear focus!
would love to see more star wars sword stuff and it being similar or better ways to use it, idk
Been absolutely loving the animations in this game. Combat looks so good!
Didn't expect Oberyn Martell to tell me about polearms. LOL
It would be more improved with an oval handle rather than round if slashing will be used that often
Where do you get your....trinkets, oddities, or dare I say, bonk sticks, I need at least 2
Good lord, these animations look ungodly smooth
I have a D&D character who uses a double-bladed “sword”, but the handle is like 3/8 to 1/2 the overall length so it’s basically in between a sword and a polearm.
The backstory reason for the twin blade is also pretty interesting in my opinion. He’s a Paladin whose oath revolves around weapons mastery, but he’s also a (fantasy) gladiator, so a flashy and unorthodox but still effective weapon is a perfect fit.
A man of culture. Have an epic journey, good arisen.
Pretty cool too how alot of the duospears most powerful attacks are stabbing/stabbing adjacent attacks too
Fun fact in starwars a Sith Lord had a double sword saber until maul came and revamped it making the handle longer so he could use it like a double spear
Even more reasons to like the coolest vocation in Dragons Dogma 2!
Nice! Didn’t know we had games in common. I love using a 6’ spear in heavy armor melee in the SCA. The butt spike can be equally effective
This was an awesome break down!
There was such a weapon used in Europe. Johann Georg Paschens wrote in his fencing manual about a staff with blades on either side.
The vocation is fun BUT I WANT MY MYSTIC KNIGHT BACK :,(
The sequel would’ve been the perfect opportunity to fix them having the shield on their back and only pulling it out to parry, but noooo……
Fighter got basically all of the mystic knight's shield abilities in some form anyway.
You can be a pretty effective mystic knight as warfarer, especially since it gives you the option to switch weapons mid combat without pausing, compared to the first game where you needed to go into you equipment menu to switch from mace/sword to stave
Legit only way a double sword would work is with a light saber. You dont have to apply a lot of physics to get that destructo beam to cut shit.
I think my favorite double bladed thing is the beam Naganata which pre dates darth maul by the way!
MS hands can rotate freely so they can spin in one hand etc.
This is called a jeagerstock btw
My idea of the ideal twin blade would be a handle that's as big as your shoulder width, and the two blades are just barely shorter than an average straightsword.
I actually recognize this weapon from Ben Oldings "Warlords" game series. That type of weapon was used by a race specific unit called the whirler and a character named Ender from Warlords Heroes, except it resembled more of a double bladed war scythe than a double bladed spear. Ah... The glory days of flash...
Very nice
Now react to final fantasy dragoon jump realisticness
In Eragon, Angela has a weapon like this, which is traditionally used by dwarf clerics, I always thought it's really cool!
the half-pike was a real double-bladed spear used by certain types of German soldiers. double bladed spears are badass
The outfit 😂😂
Mystic spearhand animations are so good.
An exceptionally sharp quarter staff
Wholeheartedly agree. I love a good polearm in fantasy settings
Double bladed swords would never really work irl. It does however work in Star Wars as a lightsaber concept, because the blade itself is weightless, with only the hilt having any weight, as insignificant as it might be. You also don't need to put too much power into it (made of literal laser, you only have to touch your opponent), as you rely more on acrobatics and constantly switching back and forth between which blade end you're using to attack.
My favorite iteration is the Double Sided Axes from The Mummy that anubis's army wielded, or Medjay's axestaff from for honor
they make me think of a double sun-and-moon spade or monk's spade. Double in the sense that it only has the "sun" blades.
I think those are actually weapons as they are used in other stuff as well
Shadiversity crying right now
I just love crazy fantasy weapons whether they're realistic/viable or not. The rule of cool or whatever
Just don't stand behind someone using it.
The idea of putting a sword on a pole is still a talked about idea, though even though the sword would need such a long stick.
Gonna play DD2 cause of this
I'm in love with mystick spearhand, I'm still mourning magick Knight
Your outfit here is SOOOOO dope.
Spears are awesome. Wish they were more utilized in games
Theoretically then, the best double bladed weapon would have a spear length haft with longswords fitted to each end. Perfection.
Why is he has so much drip? That is a really nice coat.
Supernatural detective man showing me how to handle twin-bladed spear.
More devs could learn a thing or two from some of these games' weapon animations. I wish more fantasy games were animated with some more real-world weapon maneuvers
Great analysis!
Skall had said the twinspear was a far more realistic weapon to wield affectively
You'd be delighted by double-bladed glaive that the main character uses in a very popular amongst Slavs fantasy book series Keeper of the Swords
A lot of historical spears already had butt spikes, so it's not really a huge stretch or major use change to have that spike be a full spear blade.
DD2 is the bomb!!! Love it!
I wish I had a console that could play DD2. The original is one of my favorite games of all time
The mystic speahand has always felt like the absolute perfect 50/50 magic, melee split.
Mystic knight from dragons dogma always felt WAY too martial. Like the magic was way too cut and dry. You were a fighter with a good Special effects department. You were either playing the game in the boring way, or you weren't playing efficiently.
High Scepter from Dragons Dogma Online is absolutely the most fun magic/melee hybrid, but it feels like if they're a wizard with extra steps. It's swordplay runs almost entirely on magic powered anime bullshit. I still love it and sword fighters would 100% do the same things if they had magic, but there's not a lot of classical technique there.
Mystic spearhand feels the most balanced, with its actual combat feeling fluid and great. Most of the skills that involve directly attacking the enemy with their weapon feel great to land and hefty on their own right, then their upgraded versions also add magic damage and effects to their already solid weapon skills. Pairing it with the stunning bolt and Mystic spearhand just feels like genuine style that real soldier would develop if they had magic.
I want robin in a video game bro
Ive been playing DD2 as well and im not gonna lie... Everytime I tried a new class i thought of what your channel! This game has some of thenbest combat animationsnive ever seen in a video game... Everything is so fluid and fun!
yoooo that trench coat is pure class
If the double bladed sword idea had a longer handle I think it would work much better.
I think the sweet spot is about 5 ft of handle, and about 1 ft blades one each end
Eleonora's Poleblade in Elden Ring definitely had a ton of grip compared to the other Twinblades (heck, it's right there in the name), but they definitely didn't capitalize on it the way DD2 did, I suppose. Oh well it looks neat.
I wish Fromsoft could look at this and go "oh, you can grip further down for additional length and reach, who knew..."
I haven't even seen people play with this, I'm definitely doing that!
i have that Hewing blade! and love it, might actualy get a second and recreate the DuoSpear from DD2, and yeah thats the official name for the weapon type ingame
What do you think and how effective that you will using a Han Dynasty Ji Halberd? Is it lighter, less metal, low-cost(affordable for peasants), simple to create, penetrate armor, and effective to fight than the European Halberd?
As soon as I see the game your playing... I knew if my brother sees this. He's gonna say "dogma balls"
That was the whole point the Shadaversity videos about the dual blade sword was it needed a longer haft to hold and swing with. And you'd fight with it more like a pole arm them a sword.