Shhh.... Shinhan PWC Watercolors
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I have been made aware that I should clarify the statement I made in the video. To elaborate, I was merely trying to shine light on a matter most of us are interested in: product information, by presenting the findings I discovered and the speculation I arrived at, which is my own opinion/speculation and is not to be misconstrued as proven facts at this time. I was made aware that my wording may have come across as such which I wanted to clear up with this comment. As already stated in the video, I will still be buying Shinhan products.
Don't worry, it was pretty clear that it was your spaculation!
@@ViviButter thank you :)
I will never understand why brands hide informations which are critical for consumers in order to make an informed choice. It's not only Shinhan but we've seen examples from Daniel Smith, Winsor and Newton etc. so this is simply malpractice and deceiving customers.
Hahaha. So this is the reason why when I was swatching their full range before, I was so confused.. 😂 this is so outrageous Vee. Thank you for bringing this is information out. Shinhan should've corrected this before. Ofcourse they cannot change what's been printed on tubes that are in circulation but they could atleast make an official statement for this and update their online charts. 😅
Allan! hey hey~ hope you’re well! 🥰 oh yeah, i definitely understand if tubes are mislabelled. mistakes happen but you’re right, the charts should be updated accordingly. if my theory is correct, that is. i could be wrong but the facts are so convincing!😅 have a great weekend!
Thanks for the show: ASI (Art Supply Investigators)! Fun video to watch! You went in deep and found so many more differences between the color charts. They are so pretty and affordable artist grade watercolors, glad you still have favorites, and good to have most accurate information.
wonder if there are differences in the gouache charts too?
haha! ASI sounds like a fun show! though very time-consuming to produce 😂
I went through the SWC website this morning to check pigments listed against what I had ...so many differences and mostly 2nd pigments needing to be added to what I had! Yellow Ochre, from PY42 to PY42/PO62? Raw Sienna, from PR101 to PR101/PY74? wow...
@@derwood206 yeah, the earth colours were a bit unexpected!
The S in SWC must stand for Sneaky.🤣🤣
LOL! good one 😂
As a watercolor fanatic, I'm filled with rage! As a fan of how good this video is, I feel grateful and thrilled! Too much emotion 😂
hi Hale~! :D oh no, the rage! actually, now that i think about it, i felt a little rage about that PR209 not being single pigment. haha~
awww, thank you so much! i'm so glad you enjoyed the video!
The name Permanent Rose is very misleading. The fluorescent pigment is not permanent and the name needs to reflect that.
@@gabriellaritaart Sorry to hear that!
I’ve heard that pigments that are fillers don’t have to be listed. So manganese blue hue has white in it and it is not listed as one of the pigments. I don’t know if that might be the reason why they don’t always list all pigments. I think before social media, few people looked for the pigments and instead looked for a hue. So manufactures are probably more focused on achieving a hue rather than getting a pigment that could be to expensive and difficult to sell if not diluted with another pigment.
yes, i’ve heard that as well. many brands also apply that principle, not listing pigments like white. but that doesn’t account for why there’s a difference between Swc and Pwc pigment info.
@@PaintinHidingmaybe write to the company and ask why there is a difference. I think Amazon sells the SWC line here in the US. So gonna check. But that’s a good question for the company. I am sure they will have an answer. True or not that is to be determined. Maybe country laws determine how they market a product. A lot of questions too! Thanks so much for the video! Be interesting to see how many companies change marketing labels etc. when selling in other countries.
@@PaintinHiding true. It might be just because they can. Or it might remain an art mystery.
Personally I believe in the benefit of the doubt so I don't really feel lied to because maybe there was a problem in transferring the info from their korean to their english brand.
But I am Thankful that you let us know! I have their dot card and I'll start cross referencing to fix the pigment info so thank you so much 😊
i like that perspective! we dont always have to feel negatively towards anything if we look at it from another angle. 🎉👍🏻👍🏻
❤ Same here. I've always found ShinHan really confusing with their different sets. (professional is student?) I'm wondering if they have different departments or even different companies for domestic and international. I do have the 12 tube set of their SWC watercolor 'tint'. I got it when it was on sale.❤
Shinhan were the first tube paints I purchased, and I still use them. Now a couple years later, I have a lot of DS and a handful of WN. I often include a Shinhan color on my palette, just because I like the way the color works. It feels familiar and useful.
Inspector Vee, this is a great job! That's quite outrageous, but I'm not surprised. I think if we really knew what's happening behind the scene of our precious art supply we would be really pissed of and sad. Yes I'm looking at you Daniel Snitch and your precious PrimaFake.
The hidden pigments instantly remind me of Primafake too.
thank you so much! i'm glad you approve ;D omgggg... daniel SNITCH....primaFAKE! i see what you did there! 🤣
What's primafake and why?
@@alexandrag89 there's a "contreversy" about Daniel Smith "Primatek" semi-precious stone range.
@@alexandrag89 there was a controversy a little before i posted this video here th-cam.com/video/dMld3RQxiZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4jCHQTxWjhNjEI57 that daniel smith's primatek colours weren't ground up stones as they market them to be. but instead, amped up with regular pigments. it was a big controversy due to their lavish marketting of the range being from ground up precious stones and the whole primatek range is expensive too.
I thought about buying Marino Blue, I'm glad I gave up that idea eventually ;'D You did such a well job in researching! I think this should be the same with Daniel Smiths Primatek colors, as we know already that the colors are not possible to get just from gems. And it could be helpful to know all the pigments, in case someone would deliberately avoid a certain pigment! Companies should never lie or hide this kind of information such as correct pigment info!
thanks KG :) dont give up on marine blue though, i've been using it instead of pb16 and there really is no difference :D
I’ve never bought either product but it’s maddening to think that they are using deceptive practices. Good for you for exposing them. Great job 🎉❤
I think the N/A refers the the ASTM rating of the Pigment. You can see with other colors there is always a roman number 1, 2 or N/A after each pigment. N/A often means not aplicable or no information. So those particular oigment variations that they use were not rated by ASTM Standards.
It is weird that some colors look very different. Could it be the treatment of the pigment or binder differences? Sometimes cheaper binders are very yellow in color and give the pigment a slight tint.
Would you contact the brand about your findings if you haven’t yet? Thank you for sharing this information.
Oh wow! I don’t have watercolours from this brand and now never will! Thank you!
Love this analytical video. Thank you for the very important information. Downloading the chart now.
thank u for appreciating miranda! 🥹
Something I once read leads me to think that chlorification of pb 15.3 makess it yellower . So it could be that there are a couple of different ways of producing the same turquoisy hue from the pthalos. ( take this with a pinch of salt since I don't understand it myself)
and that is why i questioned myself as well! haha~ i reeeeeally wanted to believe it. but the addition of pg7 was a more logical answer
Wow. What alot of investigating! Excellent presentation. Thanks for all the hard work and sharing this information.
thank you for ur appreciation kathleen 🥰
Thanks for this info, Vee. I really don’t like it when companies are not straightforward with their product information. Why call a color permanent red when you are adding in a fugitive pigment? What is the motive for not disclosing this info to the world market for artist grade paint? Best to stick to basic colors in this brand I guess🤨
i don't like it either. i mean, what's the harm in being transparent? old holland has lots of multipigment colours and as far as i now, people still use their watercolours. and YEP, sticking to the basic colours is my plan as well. :)
As Vee pointed out in the video, as long as you use the SWC to make selections think it should be ok That’s what I did :)
That was fascinating! Thanks for sharing your findings.
thanks jill! have a great weekend!
Btw, all the products linked to Jackson's website are broken.
WHEN a paint maker calls its student grade "professional watercolor"
it immediately raise a red flag.
I steered clear of such a company.
There is a lot of scamming by this company if you dig deeper.
btw you are not "an inexperienced watercolourist",
you are asking all the right questions even the more experienced artist aren't asking.
You are in the right direction.
thank you so much for your kind words, i truly appreciate it. i dug the deepest i could go. what else is there?
Illuminating! I recently bought Shadow Green as it looked like just what I wanted. I also bought Lilac and Permanent Yellow Orange, both of which I like. I will remember that about the earth colours though. This was my first purchase of Shinhan as before thought they were Chinese. Oh dear, but I'm Ok with them being Korean.
That’s very interesting! It’s not easy to get Shinhan colours in Canada, I have some of their gouache but none of their watercolour. Appreciate all the research you put into this!!
i dont think it affects they're gouache range so you should be good~ ;D also, you're not missing out on anything if you can't get shinhan. thank you for appreciating my efforts!
Oof! Thank you for sharing. That's so shady, and definitely good to be aware of. Much appreciated!
thank you for stopping by Denise! 🥰
Have you contacted Shinhan to ask? I find tge technical departments of the manufacturers are super helpful. You might get an interesting explanation!
Wowwww! SO thorough and extremely helpful. What an amazing deep-dive, and thank you so much for sharing what you discovered! 😊
thanks erika!
Hi, Vee! Thank you very much for this video. While I'm disappointed that my go-to phthalo turquoise paint has been multi-pigmented all along, this video has given me a sense of vindication when it comes to the other colours from ShinHan like their Permanent Red and Cobalt Blue Hue. It doesn't seem like it was stated on the SWC chart too, but ShinHan's Pyrrole Red does have a neon dye added to it! I'm glad their Quinacridone Red seems to be truly single pigment since they're my go-to rose.
As for the Greenish Yellow, the NA could be PY128 which is listed on Prima's Art Philosophy Greenish Yellow (which are relabelled ShinHan paints).
hey Al~ hope you've been well 🥰 oh nooo... i felt a little disappointed as well but really, don't let that extra PG7 stop you from using marine blue. i've been using it instead of my holbein pb16 and i really can't tell a difference. waaaaait... i did not know that about Prima's colours being relabelled Shinhan paints). that's very intriguing!
@@PaintinHiding Kim Crick's review on Prima's professional artist paints mentions they could have been relabelled since they felt and acted similar. It might be a good idea to reference Prima's colour chart since they seemed a lot more transparent with the pigments from the get-go. 🤔
I have decided to keep Marine Blue in my palette since it has done me well after all this time (I just bought a new tube of Marine Blue too!), and maybe Greenish Yellow as well. I've been meaning to use my Roman Szmal PY129, but kept putting it off till I used up my pan of ShinHan's, maybe I could do a comparison test in the meanwhile.
I'm gonna use this as an excuse to finally try out a tube of MaimeriBlu's Phthalo Turquoise tho! Been curious since I found your comparison video!
@@aleahlrb i see! i'll need to check that out. for some reason, kim crick stuff doesn't really show up in my searches. jane blundell's comes up so often though
Did you ask the company to explain the differences?
For those of you who love PB16, Daler Rowney Aquafine has it in their range. Not sure about their artist-grade paints, though.
Thank you! I have the Daler Rowney Artists Phthalo Turq and it’s PB15:3/PG7. Other PB16 I have are DaVinci Phthalo Turquoise and Bora Bora Turquoise; Old Holland Caribbean Blue; Roman Szmal Phthalo Turquoise; and MaimeriBlu Turquoise Green
@@derwood206 Hi Derwood! Are there any differences between these paints made with PB16?
@@awatercolourist I made some swatches I'll DM you on Ig
This is all a bit overdramatic in my humble opinion. I like some of the Shinhan colors, especially the Indigo, Ultramarine Blue and Violet, and Sepia. The paints work beautifully, and the prices are ridiculously low especially when purchased as a set. I don't really like rage-bait type of videos, but appreciate that some people take precision of pigments very seriously. I focus more on creating lots of quality artwork, and Shinhan enables me to paint prolifically in a cost effective way.
apologies if u found this to be rage-bait (first time i’ve heard that term😂) but im glad you agree with me that the price and quality is definitely what will keep us buying from them ❤
I remember hearing somewhere that the SWC range is the student brand that’s why there is so many mixes and the PWC range is the professional line, hence the more singular colours, although this seems to raise a lot of questions
As someone who is only starting to get to know pigment numbers, this is really annoying to learn about. I wish they didn’t hide the information like this!
There's another maddening thing about the Shinhan line, there are 3 colors that contain PR83 Alizarin Crimson, and none of them are called Alizarin Crimson, and yet there is a color that's called Alizarin Crimson but it doesn't have any Alizarin Crimson in it.
Good to know! Thanks for you're awesome detective work. I don't own any Shinhan watercolors but was going to look into them as other TH-camrs have recommended these. I will pay attention to these details when I shop for them. Thank you.
if u can get the dot card to try (from jackson’s) i think that’s the best way to go as u can try each colour too 😊
@@PaintinHiding perfect, thanks!
@PaintinHiding Thank alot for the video.
I got more than 70 tubes from PWC, because at the time I felt they were great value for their single pigment artist paints they were claiming to be, and now knowing that I can't use many of these colors for commissioned/serious works, I feel cheated. why do they need to add such cheap and fugitive pigments to usual colors (PY83 for Burnt Sienna!?, PY74 for Raw Sienna!) and then lie about it ? I had almost similar story with Cobalt torquise from Mission Gold, the one in their pure pigment claims to be single pigment PB28 and the one I bought online with the same color code , same color name from the same store that I got the set from, had "PW6" and "PY3" also mixed in it. I am going to avoid all Korean watercolor brands from now on.
i think u should maybe do your own lightfast test before chucking all your paints. i believe Parkablogs posted an article on his lightfast test results and even PR83 from shinhan did really well. so yeah, do your own lightfast test first 🥰 as for mijello, your cobalt turquoise that is a mix, i believe that’s the old version. the newer ones are all pb28 now. im a big fan of mijello myself 😁
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Time to bring out my popcorn while watching this! I actually love my first two shinhan watercolors, (peacock blue and peacock green) that I bought 4 additional colors, indigo, royal blue, aureoline and rose madder. Glad I held out in buying more esp the marine blue. But come to think of it.... I really love their colors I wouldn't mind having them. Thank you for informing us.
im glad you like the colours~ me too! sure im a little upset about marine blue not being the single pigment i thought it to be, but i like it so im going to continue buying it 🥰
Thank you so much! This is very interesting. I am not sure if one can trust them, not to put dye in other colors too. 🤔 However, also Schmincke, when they came out with their Opera Rose plus 4 more colors of that range, they did not give any pigment info. Now they have the pigments listed with the addition: Fluorescent Pigment. Which I didn’t know would exist, I thought fluorescent was always a dye. 🤷♀️ There would be a lot of investigation needed. 😊😊 Thanks again.
wait… what’s a fluorescent pigment?? 😅🧐🤨 i wouldnt blame you, i those those are dyes too!
This is so fascinating, watched and enjoyed till the end ☺☺
haha~ thanks chantelle~!
Oh thank you for your work and insight!
My pleasure!
Thank you for your research. Great information.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks again for catching and sharing this info! This is just one of the reasons you are one of my favorite art youtubers! I understand that there may be issues that can be written off as confusion regarding language and international labeling requirements, but this DOES seem a bit deceitful.
Man that sucks ,i brought 3 of the marine blue "single" pigment. I was thinking of buying more other single pigments online. Then I saw on ebay an info chart of the colors. And was confused on why the "single" pigments that I've seen from another chart has another additional pigment? 😭
(I discovered this last year, and i didn't read the info chart was swc and pwc)
Now i know because of your vid thank you sm for making this!!!🙌❤️❤️❤️
It lowkey made me sad thinking that what i brought was an single pigment but turns out to be not huhu😭
But its ok though the color is still nice to paint with.😌
nooo~ it's ok! dont be devastated! i've been using it instead of pb16 and there really is no difference :D ah there we go, haha, we agree it's a nice colours hehe!
Some of this I think the formula actually changed a little. I have both the SWC sap green which is PG7+PG8 and PWC sap green which is PG8, there's a slight difference in hue between them.
WC brands trying to be all vague is kinda ironic, don`t they know pigments`n`transparency is literally our job! 😂 Thank you dear Vee, great content as always)) xox
hahhahaha~ always happy to see your comment Loki! miss you~! hope you're well
I remember swatching permanent rose, and i was confused because i had a daniel smith Dot card, and it was different from each other. But having said that... i might not stop buy shinhan coz they fit under the budget. As watercolor paints are expensive af
well that’s not really a fair comparison as pv19 can be very varied from brand to brand. it’s not a consistent pigment like pr122 or pr254.
and yes! im glad ur with me on continuing buying because they’re affordable. art supples are definitely expensive AF 😭😂
Thank you Vee…for informing us. Where are you order the color dot chart?
i bought mine from a local art shop but jackson’s art also has it
@@PaintinHiding Thank you.
Intersting. I wnjoy their paint and boughtvtheit 12 set of gouache and did a lightfast test because i thoughtvtheir tatings were off for some if rhe pigments they used. The giod news is all but one didnt fade but the one that faded had a pigmbt that shouldnt have faded so i fgured the pigmnt was incorrect. I believe they rated it as a not so lightfast color tho. Its strange.
great minds think alike. i believe Teoh from parkablogs also did lightfast tests and shinhan's PR83 held up just fine despite being notoriously fugitive. it seems like we can all agree that we like the paints even though something is strange with the info presented. thank you for stopping by Lindsay! have a great week ahead 🥰
Thank you for this video. Although I’m not really interested in this brand it was very helpful to me as a beginner with pigment codes.
My personal feelings on this is if a company is going to give misleading information it’s probably best to avoid altogether…. Can’t be trusted. Once again, thank you ❤
tthanks for stopping by and leaving a comment julie :) appreciate it!
have you tried the pb16 helio turquoise from schmincke? its a staple for me
i’ve tried it on their dot card but it’s an expensive option so i didnt buy their tube. thank u though :)
Thank u for doing all this digging! Man this is so informative, I think that says something given how affordable it is? It could just be a weird language thing but I doubt it:/ this all seems very deliberate in targeting a more global audience
hi jean~! well, affordability is really most likely related to region. it's affordable to me because thailand is closer to korea i suppose. i know for some people shinhan could be very expensive because they're far away. i wonder if it's a language thing too, who knows!
Maybe it is to rival their biggest competitor, Mijello?
possibly~
Interesting!
I love the work and effort you put into this. It’s amazing! I am not interested in Shin Han, so I am not phased by this revelation, although it is disappointing. I expect consistency from any company. For us pigment nerds single pigments are important, but for many, many artists it is not an issue. I do not see why they had to change the pigment information on the international version.
thank you so much! definitely lots of editing involved but glad it was cohesive enough of a watch. i like your reaction of not being phased at all. hehe! ah yeah, i'm one of those that i admit, i do like single pigments but lately i've been transitioning and i'm very ok with multipigments now.
@@PaintinHiding I still prefer single pigment paints and make very few exceptions. There are so many single pigment paints out there that I want to try. If I add multi-pigment paints to my wishlist, the list would never end 😂.
Thank you!!
Welcome!
Well, there is this: the truth tends to show itself in the most inconvenient ways at the most inconvenient times. So why lie in the first place? Thanks for sharing your findings. Very interesting.
haha, i wouldn't have thought of using the word inconvenient but yeah!
are we sure this discrepency isn't provoked by the fact that some color pigment formulations are being updated to keep the color affordable?
i don't think a brand is alway trying to purposely screw customers, it might be worth to doble check the fact in the future!
nice video tho, i really enjoied this video!
thanks hyukiru :) as for pigment formulation updates, i dont think so. and i'll tell you why. derwood206 and i had come across this SEVERAL months ago. like... last year. so i think if they were changing their formulas, we would have seen their official sites updated by now. and it's not like they're not active online. they're very much active. that said, you make a great point and it's very possible so i'm not knocking your theory. just a little comment section discussion ;D
@@PaintinHiding if this is the case then I'm probably wrong tho... I hope it is just an inconvenience, after reading about Daniel Smith lightfastness controversy I'm really paranoid about what companies use to make and test their paints, as for an artist who does watercolor for almost a decade, it's important to know the safety and property of your product through clear indication, just like their anthra red PR177 or moonglow.
I still prefer to believe the brand more than someone I don't know online, homemade lightfastness tests are not professional scientific tests anyway, so it most likely is not an accurate way to determine this kind of thing, so it's still worth to relate to the brand i think.
@@hyukiru definitely. i agree with u on that. some people do homemade lightfastness tests but draw wrong conclusions. no matter what, a colour will fade given enough time and exposure to sunlight. but it’s how much and how long, etc that gives us those lightfastness scale. so im with u, trust the brands! 😊 high five!
@@PaintinHiding "🖐️🖐️🖐️" it would be interesting to explore, and possibly debunk, this controversy, it would be a good idea for a video!
@@hyukirulol lightfastness videos takes months if not over a year 😂
i did a couple lightfastness vids, took too long, i lost interest. so im not doing anymore! 😜
Hey! PB16 is my fav, especially Maimeri Blue, but if you look for replacement Roman Szmal has this pigment too!
i already have roman szmal's pb16, not the most affordable option for me but thank you though!
@@PaintinHiding Sorry, i didnt think about the pricing, I come from Poland when theyre almost half the price of W&N 😅
wait- NOT clickbait! thank you, thats refreshing and this was educational!
haha! thank you!
Wow!! I love this sleuthing! By coincidence, I just recently watched your older PWC dotcard video, sometime in the last couple weeks. I already wasn't impressed with some of the pigment choices because there are so many fugitive ones, and I wondered why people rave so much about the brand. And YES, there were many colors where the pigments said N/A and/or were clearly wrong or something just seemed off. Like the PR209, I remember you calling that one out specifically!
Another thing I notice is that in the brand swatches you show on screen, the hues look clearly different for the same colors. It seems to be an entirely different set of swatches for the two markets.
The one thing I missed in this video was, does the Shinhan Marine Blue match the Holbein Marine Blue? Holbein wasn't on the set of swatched you showed in this video. I'll have to go watch your PB16 Alternatives video again LOL.
I'm still sitting on the Kuretake Gansai Tambi 48 set I got, wondering whether to return it, because pretty much every red uses that PR 48:1!! I'm so torn, because I want to try it for etegami, but so many of the yellow, orange and red pigments are not so great.
haha~ coincidence indeed! - swatch pics: ah, i wouldn't knock them on the swatches because they've come out with various colour charts with different swatch pics throughout the years.
lol, i just came from replying to your comment about no holbein pb16 swatch. but yes, the PWC marine blue matches the holbein marine blue. sorry again!
@@PaintinHiding Awesome. Great to know ❤
Thanks
thank you Jill :)
It's an interesting theory, but the paint numbers are also different, so they may be different formulations for different markets. 🤷♀️ I'm only halfway through, so I may edit or delete this if more info sways me.
very possible, yes... like i said, i was just speculating.
Good catch!
thanks pablo!
Well done! It really upsets me that Shinhan did this. Makes me question all their products which I hate because I really like their paint Ugh! Why can’t companies just be honest?
Hello Vee! I completely empathize with Jackson no longer shipping W&N outside of the UK 😢 I wanted to buy another tube of Cobalt Turquoise gouache to replace my near empty one only to find out the sad news. I currently reside in Malaysia (hello neighbor!) so W&N gouache are pretty hard to come by as it isn’t as popular as Holbein’s. So in the event it runs out of stock, they rarely get restocked again.
That aside, I realized that it’s not just ShinHan doing this. It’s a lot of brands that are sometimes very sneaky (or just negligent) with disclosing their colour pigments. A lot of fellow WC enthusiasts I know who are new to watercolours and are exploring different brands, buys watercolours based on the names expecting them to be similar. It’s a mistake that I’ve made when I was new as well. Being more knowledgeable about pigments now, I cross-check a few websites before making my final purchase.
haha, hello to you too neighbour! :D oh yyeah same here, we dont have w&n gouache either. i know a shop here that sells w&n watercolour but only the 5ml tubes for extremely overpriced. so they might as well not be available lol.
It makes sense this was a dirt cheap brand in the early 2000s when I bought some they were like $2 each on Blick I was surprised to see them become so popular because something that cheap is usually meh I got mine for a college class
well... i'm not sure how much inflation has played a role in tthe price increase but $2 for a tube, that was a good bargain!
I was interested in trying PWC but after I saw some conflicting information, I just ditched it and go for Holbein. Thank you, Vee, for the insight.
By the way, there is an art supplies and paper sale in Samyan Mitrtown.
i do like holbein's formulation so definitely good choice there :)
haha, thank you for the sale mention, i'm on a no buy this year so doing my best to steer clear. that said HHK sales aren't really worth it to me. they products are still kind of overpriced even after discounts.
Yeah, it was only because I was close by that I decided to check their stuff out.
@@phiraphonpong9392 it’s nice to see the raphael/isabey brushes in person though! those are soooo beautiful!
Exposed! Great work. I want to try Shinhan soon but I will do my research first.
thanks so much Lillen :D
Excellent video. Very clear information. Hey, I plan to be moving to Thailand next year so I will message you before I leave. Maybe we can get together. Also, maybe I can bring you some Windsor Newton paint or other brands that you might not be able to get. What city are you living in?
thanks cherie :) much appreciated. i’m good on paints for now hence being on a no buy but thank you for your kind thoughts!
I opted for the SWC a couple months ago, have yet to try them or the Pure Pigment Mission Gold which is probably the competitive motivation for the deceptive advertising practices maybe?
probably so. i love mijello~ shinhan can definitely create a pure pigment set. i wonder why they haven't done that already
I think the N/A must mean anything else, because shadow green is also N/A in your dotcard and is just pbk31 both pwc and swc. Other colors on your dot card have this I or II symbol in front of some pigment codes, maybe the N/A could be related to it somehow. I really wanted the companies being as transparent as possible though. That said, really nice video 😄
hi pedro! the I and II are for extra ASTM lightfast ratings i believe. you can check the legend in the link to the dot card scans. and thank you so much for the compliment!
Hi!
N/A in pigments stays for natural/organic pigments
I have a chart for Winsor & Newton watercolors where a lot of N/As show up in the column "Lightfastness Code" and also some in the column "Granulation ans Staining". Google says N/A stands for "not applicable", "not available" or "no answer". So in essence: can't say or do not want to say.
7:19 PV19 alfa? I thought it was PV19 gamma?
oh no, ur right! i got my greek symbols mixed up in my script 🙈 good catch!
@@PaintinHiding 😂👍🏼
Hullo, I am not sure how hard or easy it is to get paints from California, I have been excited with the Prussian Blues from DaVinci Paints of California! They have a Prussian Blue PB27 & Prussian Blue(GreenShade) PB27/PG7 I have purchased quite a bit from Jackson's and have asked them if they are ever going to stock DaVinci Paints, Not enough requests was their reply. Well if your a steady customer you might just ask them when they will be stocking this brand? I do enjoy your thoughts on watercolors and I hope your having fun too!
Have a Lovely Day!
hi again pete, hope your weekend is going well :) i've actually put in a request with jackson's to stock davinci already, several times. but i think it's not just jackson's, davinci probably also doesn't want to expand it seems. i've posted swatches of davinci and my thoughts on it before in the past. u can check that out if you'd like. but as of current day, i'm no longer seeking out davinci because their shipping to thailand is way too high, last i checked it was like $45 USD, and i haven't had a good experience with their customer service: as in, they never replied back. so yeah. i like their paints, but it's just not logical.
@@PaintinHiding thank you for your reply, I am honestly surprised that you were not treated well. I have enjoyed superior customer service and was even contacted back by the owner! I am sorry that you didn’t have a better experience, I have switched to DaVinci as my first choice and most often recommended watercolor paint! I came back to traditional methods after a 16 year absence, I tried many brands. I started with Schminke and Sennelier and I was just not so happy that I was willing to pay for the higher prices! I even purchased DanSmith’s 250+ dot samples and I was talked into buying 30 colors after I was not impressed by the samples. I was just so unhappy that I was taught by my Gran with Grumbacher watercolor paints and they were no longer available in my local shop nor a good selection online! I guess that the company has fallen on hard times and they have sold off factories and lines of products.
I am enjoying watching your videos and seeing your art. Thank you for sharing all of your ideas and expertise you are doing a wonderful job creating a library of videos that so many can access. Please take care and have a lovely day!
@@mjpete27 i think maybe davinci just prioritizes america-based customers and that’s absolutely fine. my experience hasn’t made me talk bad about them, i like their paints. but as with everyone else, we all get hits or misses with contact wih various brands. im glad you found a brand that works for u! that’s very important indeed 🥰 im sure you have much more expertise than myself so thank YOU as well for taking the time to leave a comment and share with us your experiences 😊👍🏻
That’s not good to add fluorescent dyes and not specify that.😳
Oh no perm red is one of my fav red :< i bought it as a pretrial for daniel smith pr209. I feel betrayed too 😢
oh yeah, you can't pretrial pwc's perm red and think it's like other PR209. i'm not sure... if you like perm red, then you might not like real PR209. because i love PR209 but i dont like this perm red. lol. not very helpful but hey, if you like perm red, dont let the pigment info put you off. maybe do a lightfastness test if you need that.
You truly are a detective 😂
haha! thank you!
Oh my...this all leaves me a bit confused. And I don't have any Shinhan wcs.. So while I do pay attention to the pigments used in my watercolors, I tend to trust the brands, especially when it's well-known primary colors & common colors or unless I find something's off. But I do carefully check some of the more exotic or not known to me colors. I'm sure there's a lot of "switcho-change-o" that goes on in the pigments used in artist paints. I think for watercolorists, in particular, we tend to be almost obsessed with pigments because of the nature of watercolor on paper...the color, transparency and texture along with the paper used can make or break your work. I see few discussions in oils or acrylics on the fine points of the pigments used. I paint some in oils and less in acrylics and never see videos about pigments used in the paints. Thanks for all your research here. It was really interesting 😊
thank you for pointing that out about oils and acrylics not caring much of pigments. i dont use oils anymore and dont use acrylics so i wouldnt have known :)
Wow. Sneaky.
That is a huge deception
Thank you for the information! 😊
thanks Sharon!
What's the difference between beta and alpha pigments? Never herd of this.
i dont know if other ones have it but Pv19 has roughly 3 hues. a red, rose, and violet hue. the red and rose hues are PV19gamma (sorry, i misspoke in the vid. not alpha, it’s gamma) and the violet hue is PV19beta.
Ugh i just bought all of their gouache.
i dont think this applies to their gouache range. as far as i know, they only have one gouache range.
Ok thank you ❤
seems to me they should just give different names to the different formulations eg Marine Blue and Mareen Blue,
interesting thought!
How do I know if my water color tubes are something I can empty into pans and let it dry?
u can do that with all watercolors. fill the pan to the top and let dry. however, ones that contain honey will take a longer time to “dry”. i recommend filling your pans one third at a time. so one third, let dry about 2 weeks, fill second third, let dry 2 weeks, and fill the final third, let dry again.
@@PaintinHiding Thank for the tip, Ill get to filling then.
One is premium and one is professional. Is premium their student grade?
i explained that at 3:58 - 5:00
Someone whose job it was to label the PWC didn't have information at the time of production and release? There are two, not one. And maybe a way to tell would be to do chromatography on filter paper with some solvent to see if you can separate two pigments. Not feeling good about bad information. If you are worried about archival quality or you prefer mixing with single pigment, then this is not acceptable. Shame as they are beautiful colors. For many, this will be a non issue: and the paints otherwise are well made but for some, this is going to be an issue.
that’s very true. personally i dont mind because i dont care about lightfastness but i can definitely see some people veerying away because of some added pigments might make the colour they like, less lightfast.
Oooo! A thriller 😂. This should be good. I’ll go make a cup of tea and watch this.
hahahhaha we gotta add some suspense to the art community!
@@PaintinHiding 😂
Quinacrodone Red clearly says PV19 B, while Permanent Red clearly says PV19 A.
Thus accounting for the difference in color permanence, it would seem.
Please be more accurate.
To me, it would mean that there are different formulas used. Worth investigating.
B and A are the price groups.
I see the diference, it says PREMIUM on single pigmented tube.
The other one says PROFESSIONAL on top!
i'm not sure that says much, considering their student grade range is called professional and has that word on all their tubes.
I wonder why the color numbers are different, if swc/pwc is just a branding change? I think they’re different paints/recipes.
If I like the color and I like the paint, I don’t think I really care. Companies will always have their proprietary recipes. Even the Daniel Smith thing didn’t bother me, because they’re not technically lying if there’s a percentage of that mineral in the paint. The recipes are proprietary, patented, and belong to them. I think “lying” is a dramatic interpretation of what they’re really doing. But that’s just my opinion.
Just buy Daniel Smith... a straight up company with amazing paints done right!
Yeah, until the invention of Primafake
daniel smith isn't available to everyone, nor can everyone afford daniel smith as it's extremely expensive outside of america. many people have also veered away due to the scandal with the primateks. i'm not knocking on DS, i like their paints too. just simply saying that there has to be choices because no everyone has the same financial situation or availability. i'm glad you can get DS easily though! woohoo!
Yeah they lied too and didn't list pigments that were actually in their colours. They're guilty of exactly the same thing sadly.
@@angelicamartacahyaningtyas9083 Lol.. you didn't think they were crushing entire amethysts and rubies into their paints? Of course they add other things... however, at least their pigment numbers and single vs mixed pigments are correctly labeled.
@@pesto12601 what you called as 'other things' includes common pigment to boost the color. So, the did not label primafake correctly
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I love your symbol and I agree 100% 🍉
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This is disgusting and paint asian paints in bad light :(
woah woah, it’s just one brand. dont let it affect other brands. that’s not fair
oh, that’s why my pwc permanent red pr209 is so different from holbein pr209 one (they named it quin. scarlet) as i checked later and i got pwc one out bc i didn’t use it that much 😂 definitely need to research more before buying something these days. thanks for the video vee!
yeah~ i had used a couple pr209s before pwc's so i was confused why it was not the same either. now we all know~ i'm glad you can testify to the strangeness of the permanent red. :)
@@PaintinHidingknowing this i might find the color with same hue on pwc one but with another brand instead 😂 wanna see some different between them
🫢 someone's exposed, i was planning on getting shinhan colors at least some of their colors but they do feels very artificial on why all of them being so bright so i didn't get them, i guess my intuition is correct that they do add some dye into their colors. A shame really, i don't mind multi pigment color, but being lied to yeah good luck getting my money
i dont know if they put brighteners in their formula. as far as i know, some brands, like roman szmal, also put brighteners so it's not always dye. that said, i'm with you Ari~ i'm fine with multipigments but i value transparency~
And they’re not like daniel smith that i need some of their color because how granulating they are, if i need some standard color i reach for holbein more
@@ari_9354 gosh, i wish holbein was cheaper here. if that were the case, i would have more holbein tubes~ their formula is just chef’s kiss 😆👍🏻