Believe me, considering all the other dumber moments in the later Jurassic Park films, especially in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom and Jurassic World: Dominion, Alan Grant’s raptor nightmare looks tame in comparison.
I’d rather have Alan’s weird Raptor nightmare as compared to a Mission Impossiable chase scene where a man outruns dinosaurs on the rooftops of Malta and he goes into a black market where they are cooking Dino meat 😂
Sorry baronn, it was just too goofy. When they did an Honest Trailer for the Jurassic Park series they played that scene repeatedly throughout the trailer. They needed to find another way to show Grant's PTSD.
Instead, they should have had Alan dream about raptors standing over him with one putting its curved toe claw at his neck just before he wakes up, or, harken back to the first movie in his speech and find a PG-13 rated way of showing him "alive, when they start to eat him."
I thought the worst part of a very bad movie was when Michael Corleone's daughter bleeds to death in his arms and he says "This is not what I wanted!" Thanks for clearing that up Mr Coppola.
@@davidcatlett4052 Tomorrow never dies has a great motorcycle chase. I can see that one being a little true with the news company making events happen.
Last Jedi: Several-way tie for an array of Luke Skywalker moments. 1) Nonchalantly tossing the light saber behind him 2) Drinking the alien titty milk 3) Being shown about to commit murder of Kylo. 4) Losing saber fight to Rey 5) Astral projection! Dun dun dunnnn! 6) Dying and disappearing for no reason.
@@stillsixstudios well, I was just sticking to the Luke Skywalker stuff. Aside from that, of course, there are a million other things wrong with that God-awful film.
10. The Beach (The Protagonist Imagines He's In A Video Game) 9. Terminator: Dark Fate (The Death of John Connor) 8. Texas Chainsaw 3-D ("Do Your Thing, Cous," the female protagonist eggs on Leatherface to kill) 7. Jurassic Park III (Alan's Nightmare) 6. Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice ("Martha, Save Martha") 5. Die Another Day (James Bond Goes Surfing) 4. The Godfather: Part III (Mary's Death) 3. Scream 3 (Retconning The Original Movie) 2. Hellboy, 2019 (The Opening Monologue) 1. Alice In Wonderland, 2010 (The Futterwacken Dance)
It would be interesting if you did a list of bad movies that were somewhat redeemed by a brilliant moment. (On this topic, my #1 pick is the reveal at the climax of Dracula 2000.)
Hey Whatculture I have an idea for a top 10 or 20 list. I'm watching Air Force One right now and was thinking you could do a list of the best Presidents or world leaders in a movie. You know there's a lotta movies with some cool presidents. I wonder where Terry Crews from Idiocracy would rank?? Anyway, what do y'all think??
I don’t know where President Camacho would rank against other film president/leaders, but he’d probably be a step up from the last two actual presidents! 😉
10. John McClane surviving all that happens to him at his age (Live Free or Die Hard, 2007.) 9. Indiana Jones surviving the 'fridge flight' AND an atomic explosion at close range without a scratch as well as Mutt Williams swinging with the monkeys (Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, 2008.) 8. The Terminator donning the 'star-framed' novelty sunglasses (Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, 2003.) 7. The submarine ride to the 'island' of Los Angeles (Escape From L.A., 1996.) 6. Everything after the opening credits (Superman 3, 1983.) 5. Everything after the opening credits (Jaws 3-D, 1983.) 4. Everything after the opening credits (Beverly Hills Cop 3, 1994.) 3. Everything after the opening credits (Karate Kid 3, 1989.) 2. Everything after the opening credits (Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier, 1989.) 1. The introduction of Jar Jar Binks (Star Wars - Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace, 1999.)
@@ht-rm4uu If you were creating a new character for Sesame Street, Jar Jar would be perfect. But Star Wars was a twenty-two year science-fiction franchise at the time and even though it was aimed at 10 years olds and on, it still had dark, serious undertones which a character like Jar Jar did not blend in well with - even as a comic relief. So yes, he ain't that bad. But for a franchise like Star Wars, he was far from good.
@@nv4699 I never had a problem with the ACTOR playing Jar Jar. Ahmed Best did the 'best' he could with what was required of him by George Lucas. And yes, I agree he did do a great job as Kelleran Beq on The Mandalorian. My problem was with the CHARACTER of Jar Jar. He was just too silly and asinine to belong in a franchise such as this. Too bad Lucas didn't come to realize this until after viewing the finished product.
there is a reason for the retcon in Scream 3. it is due to the Columbine shooting that occur 1 year before. they change the script to help avoid anything to do with school violence.
I don't get why people still whine about the raptor dream in 3 but no one ever mentions the scene in lost world where the girl kills one with gymnastics.
Saw 3. I literally walked out of the theater on the first "trap" that wasn't a trap for the female detective. She won "the game", got the key and undid the lock but still loses her rib cage? Nah, I'm out. No longer a game and just torture killings.
In the film's defense, and I can't believe I'm defending one of the Saw movies, that development -- that the traps have just become torture killings -- is a part of the film's storyline, with the climax revealing that Jigsaw had realized that his protege, Amanda, was breaking the rules he'd tried to teach her, with the results being that first scene and other deaths in the film.
#7: The sad thing is that the raptor saying "Alan" is the only memorable moment. #5: Does everyone who's watched "Die Another Day" think about only that stupid surf scene?
I can remember when they showed Ellie's kid watching Barney the purple dinosaur (which made me roll my eyes at light speed). And, no, I don't only think about the surf scene. I don't think it's the worst effect from a movie from that time period. That and Halle Berry's character deserved a spinoff like they originally announced.
I can remember the scene where they’re trapped in the aviary with the pteranodons and in the cloning facility where one of the raptors seemingly appears to be frozen in a glass tube of liquid only upon the kid’s mother looking closely that it’s alive leading to a standard raptor chase. At least a lot more I can remember compared to Jurassic World: Dominion.
Me, my brothers and people in our theater literally laughed out loud when Superman said "SAAAVE....MARRRRTHAAAH" Then Batman responds: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?!?!!" It was so unintentionally hilarious, someone behind me said "THATS HOW they become friends?" 😂😅
@@LucyLioness100 I think we all had that feeling lol. It was one of those movies you had to turn off your brain and enjoy. But the Martha scene was too silly to ignore 🤣
What's really hilarious is that, until that cinematic moment, there were literally millions of comics nerds/geeks/fanboys/etc who DIDN'T REMEMBER that simple fact. Longtime readers of both characters' books were talking about that at the comics shop I was frequenting and every single one of them said they had absolutely forgotten or had just never really realized that Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne's mothers shared the same first name.
Honestly, I've never understood the issue with the "Martha" scene in B v S. From start to finish, it makes perfect sense to me that Clark would ask Bruce to save his mother and that the fact that her name is also Martha would of course confuse Bruce, who hadn't considered that Superman had a family and people he cared for and who cared for him. The issue I have with the fight is the reasoning behind the fight seemed forced and tenuous. Without some kind of mind control or one needing to stop the other from doing some separate action, they wouldn't be fighting. In this case, Superman simply could have stood there and explained that his mom was kidnapped. Until Batman breaks out the Kryptonite, there was no reason for Superman to engage at all. Had Batman led off with Kryptonite, no words exchanged, the rest of the fight would have made more sense to me.
Logically it makes sense why that could have ended the fight. However because as you mentioned the fight was already flawed it needed a "cool" resolution to salvage it. The fight ending because of the sheer coincidence that Superman and Batman's mothers had the same first name? That was too big a pill for many ( including myself ) to swallow.
@@peterkottke2570 I understand that. I guess it didn't hit me that way and I can only assume it's because I already knew the mother's shared a name. It wasn't a surprise that just happened to occur for the sake of stopping the fight.
@@codyduncan195 - I think the main issue comes down to focusing on the name of his mother. Batman was acting like a moron for the entire film and all that was needed to fix that was Superman saying "Martha". It lacks any substance and is an overly contrived moment which BvS already has its fill of contrived moments.
It's a great concept and does makes sense but it just comes off as weird because in that situation he calls his mother by her first name instead of saying save my mother. One extra line would have saved it for me "save my mother, save Martha" And in a movie about super heroes it's a weird nitpick about something being un-realistic, but people just don't talk like that typically.
Exactly as you said, he could have explained that his mom was kidnapped, not that Martha was kidnapped. While personally the scene didn't bother me all that much, it was still incredibly awkward and forced. What Superman would have naturally said in that situation is "Save my mother! Her name is Martha Kent. She's being held by Lex Luthor..." To start with "Save Martha!" is just weird...
Die Another Day nearly ended the Bond franchise. If not for the Daniel Craig era coming some years later, I would have thought that was a good thing. I actually liked Terminator: Dark Fate until everyone in the world told me I shouldn't. I wasn't expecting much out of it to begin with, and there were some major elements that I thought were just stupid, but overall, I thought it was OK.
People shouldn't blame TIM MILLER for the failure of "Terminator: Dark Fate" He was the director, not the writer Killing John Connor was James Cameron's idea Miller deserves another chance because he still got a lot to offer He not only gave us DEADPOOL, but also SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, directed by his friend, Jeff Fowler Also, have anyone seen LOVE, DEATH + ROBOTS?
Yeah, I agree. Tim Miller should get more work. I still can't believe James Cameron announced he's working on another Terminator script as a side project to his Avatar movies. He signed off on Dark Fate story wise so he's lost my trust as far as making Terminator movies.
I feel bad for Sophia Coppola. It's not her fault that she got thrust into a situation she was unprepared for. And she clearly realized later that she shouldn't act. To my knowledge, she hasn't appeared in any of the movies she directed.
A Good Day to Die Hard - The bad guys announce they have a chemical spray that "cancels radioactivity". Batman: "Hand me the anti-radiation bat-spray, Robin!"
Over-all, "Captain America: Civil War" was a decent movie and story, but the one line "I know that road!" draws attention to an impossible thing which leads a mind to the various other impossible or at least improbable things found in the story. How did a CCTV get at that road, which elder Stark's car just happens to crash in front of, crashed because super assassin happened to shoot at the exact right time for car to crash in front of that camera, and most of all HOW could younger Stark recognize "that road" just from a view of it on a CCTV... unless Tony had orchestrated the whole incident perhaps, much more convoluted and decades earlier than Zemo's plan.
@@mack1305 Same here, it was a real "Oh my god, how did I not notice that hidden in plain sight all these years??" moment. But it's still a frustrating incident, simply because of how _forced_ the line is in context. Logically, Superman should've said "Save my mother". Unless he somehow knew Batman's mother was also a Martha, and it was thus a cunning plan all along to shock Batman out of his rage, which Supes deployed in the one split-second available to him, just saying "Save Martha" is a really odd and unnatural way of referring to her. If he'd simply groaned "Save my mother... Martha" it would've worked absolutely fine.
Sups should have said "please save my mom" that would have shocked BM because he sees him as an alien, but the fact that he has a mom, that makes it harder, and then Louis could slide in all scared saying "his mother, his mother.....her name is Martha" and then you can peace together how that scene could conclude.
I loved Die Another Day. Lay off. Brosnan surfing was not as bad as the ENTIRE movie A View To A Kill with Moore BEYOND his age bedding women young enough to be his granddaughter.
The talking raptor scene is the greatest creation in all of cinema, maybe all of mankind. I respect your opinion but I will hear none of it. (I don’t seriously feel strongly about anything in cinema but by god do I love that scene and friends and family and I will still to this day randomly just say “Alan!” to each other and it immediately lifts our moods lol
Well. After seeing the entire film Alice In Wonderland, The Futterwacken dance was necessary because it is a Disney film. Adult reviewers often forget that. You forgot the intense scenes of Alice fighting with the Jabberwocky which most likely frightened and traumatized our little ones. The impossible and cartoonish dance was to give the kids something to immediately laugh at and erase the ferocious dragon Jabberwocky fight from their minds. Come on-we cannot forget the children.
Just because you want to undercut an intense scene doesn't mean you have to come up with something stupid. The original animated movie had dark scenes too. And yet it found ways to deflate them in far more clever and funny ways. Also, children aren't idiots. I would have hated this garbage when I was a kid.
Well I can tell you from watching it in the theater it with the 3D effects, it was like grown adults were becoming kids again because you instinctively wanted to reach out to pet the Cheshire cat and you could see people reaching up😊😊
Scream 1. A self-contained story of what might qualify as an isolated incident. Scream 2. A copycat killer turns up with motive revealed to be blood ties with the original culprit. Scream 3. We learn it was all one man's plan from the very start. So far we've got reasonably consistent story logic and the retcon isn't that awkward. True the first two gave no clue of Roman's involvement. But what did we see or hear about that precludes it? Scream 4: It all happens again just because it does. The killer is one of Sydney's relatives again. The killer's recruit is a psycho who can pull off the hapless-film-student persona again. But at least the Loomis/Prescott family feud still ties it all together. "Scream" 5: It all happens again just because it does. The killers have implausible motives. The expositional supporting characters lie about the state of movies and fandoms to set up the reveal. "Scream" 6: It all happens again because we're going through the motions at this point. Promotions promise something new and different, but that evaporates after the first-scene killers are killed and we're back to the formulaic story. (Oh, and the first non-caucasian killer of the franchise falls victim to the racial trope of ethnic characters dieing early.) Can we not think of more applicable moments for this list than the Scream 3 example?
And BvS was saved by the Warehouse scene which was amazing. Where it truly went off the rails was that awful version and introduction of Doomsday which was an embarrassment and the movie kept spiraling down from there.
John Connor had no further story left. his destiny changed the second they destroyed the T-1000 and Cyberdyne, after that he was just a normal kid. the opening doesn't undermine T2 because John still destroyed Skynet, just 35 years before he was destined to. you bring back Skynet, you automatically undermine the ending of T2.
I never get why people complain about the continuity of any Terminator movie. Literally a movie about traveling through time and changing the future, therefore changing the past. They can do anything they want and it make sense. And that's because nothing about time travel makes sense lol
@@goldfishprimeI felt like the movie pretty explicitly explained that the T-800 (T1) nd T-1000 (T2) weren’t the only two units sent back in time to deal with John, and that there were multiple T-800s and T-1000s sent back to various points along the timeline as sort of a series of fail safes to ensure that John was assassinated during one of these (presumably) vulnerable moments in his past?
@@rebelcaleb6984 That's massive plot hole and retcon to the lore, which is why people that followed the franchise rolled their eyes. T1 was a closed loop. By trying to kill Sarah/unborn John in the past, Skynet essentially creates itself by having the terminator's chip reverse engineered and also it's enemy in the form of John Connor. T2 was breaking the loop by stopping Skynet from being created. T3 undermined this and was criticized, but at least it stayed true to the characters. Dark Fate just opened up a can of worms that it could never recover from. It was essentially a multiverse film, trying to reboot the franchise with the same aesthetics, themes but just different characters.
Im in the minority on this but i dont understand why ppl consider the reveal in scream 3 a retcon to the original...because it actually fits perfectly...Alot of ppl forget that Sid and Billy were already 2 yrs into there relationship when the original murders began so that means when Maureen was killed they were a year in...And thats probably around the time he met Roman and thats how Billy found out about the affair... Now Billy was always a lil ticky boom so impo his mental issues his bitter resentment towards his mother was only exasperated by learning who the woman was and he snapped...Problem was that psychos never stop at just 1 billy got his 1st taste of blood and that was all she wrote thats why Roman made the comment that he had no idea they were going to make their own movie (SCREAM 96')....Is it the best plot twist no but it does make sense also it doesnt change the original motives in Scream
Killing off Connor may have showed that the film gets off to a discouraging start. Why don't we hear much about its other moments of misandry, though? Centering on female characters is one thing. Screenwriters using a trick coin just makes them seem weak, though. We can go point-by-point if this comment starts a thread. Then again, it's hard to believe anyone who says it was hard to miss.
Everyone who saw Terminator 2 agrees that there is no comparison between Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong; he was the worst part of that movie. But that doesn't change the fact that Dark Fate was a shit movie on nearly every level - bad writing and a bad plot, bad casting and bad acting. With respect to this video, the question is: why kill John Connor? Within the story as written, there was no need. He had defeated Skynet and was obviously no longer training to save the world. But for Cameron, it was a statement that the Terminator franchise was utterly dead. For Hollyweird, it was a statement that the world didn't need no stinkin' white man to save it; in future, only women would be allowed to be heroes and save the day, especially if they were BIPOC. I'm glad I never paid to see the movie; I won't be giving them any money as long as they keep making shit like this.
Anyone who's taken mushrooms can attest the visuals to like a video game. I reckon they took his shroom scene out of The Beach, as this would have made total sense.
I didn't mind it until the ludicrous introduction of Tesla. Because SCIENCE MAGIC. Although the idea that 2 brothers could plan and maintain that charade from about 7 yrs old does stretch suspension of disbelief just a bit..
Those cartoon gods (whatever they were called) in Thor: Love and Thunder. That film is quite rightly lambasted for taking things too far into Taika Waititi's quirky humour and while the screaming goats were pushing it a bit, that fleeting couple of seconds was so tonally detached from the rest of the MCU, you knew the film was dead and buried.
I agree with most of these but, in my opinion, the whole “Martha” thing is the most overblown thing I have heard in complaining about a “disastrously bad” movie scene. BvS had its issues but I don’t believe that scene was one of them. The reasons that “Save Martha” would have a deep effect on Batman is well established in the movie. Not only was Batman’s mother named Martha, it was also the last word spoken by his father. He became Batman so he could make sure another little boy wouldn’t have to feel as helpless as he did. The effect of Superman’s words were not just that he spoke his mother’s name, but also that he was talking about SAVING her. Superman didn’t refer to her as HIS mom because she ISN’T Superman’s mom. She’s Clark Kent’s mom (secret identity). This scene is thrown in to every negative list Whatculture comes up with. I’ve seen worse scenes in other movies that didn’t ruin the whole movie, much less this one.
I remember being in theaters when Die Another Day came out and I remember groaning at that surfing scene. Even as a 14 year old, I knew this was terrible. I don’t think I’ve watched it since.
The movie self destructed with the death of John Connor? John Connor doesn't need to be in every movie. 4:29 Alan. That part was hilarious. Save Martha! WHY DO YOU SAY THAT NAME!? I liked the Pierce Brosnan James Bond movies. I am bummed that he was actually had plans to be in at least one more Bond movie but was unable to. Hellboy 2019 was better than I expected. I guess I grown accustomed to bad movies. Hellboy is a lot stronger than I thought. I didn't realize his strength was that superhuman.
Yes and no. John Connor is the entire reason Skynet sent Terminators back in time. Killing him and just creating a new resistance leader makes the whole series pointless. If they kill the girl in Dark Fate, would a dog become the next resistance leader?
@@goldfishprime Doesn't Dark Fate involve a different organization all together? Also in Dark Fate wasn't John Connor also in a timeline where Skynet was destroyed?
@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 I mean, they called it Legion instead of Skynet, but it was the same thing, sending terminators back. And Skynet was supposed to be destroyed, but a Skynet Terminator killed him.
@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 That's paradox then. If that terminator was still walking around, the events of T2 are undermined. The whole reason Arnold lowered himself into the lava was because there was "still one chip left." But now there are apparently tons of chips out there.
As far as I'm concerned, "Terminator: Dark Fate" lost me the moment they decided the cyborg Grace would treat Sarah Conner like a piece of shit! The way she acted and talked to Sarah was so disrespectful, considering all Sarah had done up to that point. She ruined any hope of me enjoying the film!
2019 Hellboy is awesome. Brutal, nuts, irreverent. One of those films that will be reconsidered and rehabilitated. Jurassic Park III's has already begun - a fast-paced thrill ride with the second best JP dinosaur after T. rex.
Hrmm... decent list. I must say that I feel that Texas Chainsaw 3D's worst line is, 'Welcome to Texas, Mother F**ker.' He is literally from Texas. 'Do your thing, Cus' definitely made me roll my eyes on first watch, but it sort of fits the overall vibe of the movie.
James Kirk is able to join Starfleet by just turning up STAR TREK (2009); Batman summons bats to break through windows BATMAN BEGINS Introducing the theory of a wormhole to the pilot as he's flying into one INTERSTELLAR Shooting the person you were supposed to kill after a long stint of trying to kill him by hand (and in a PUBLIC convenience) CASINO ROYALE
I stopped watching Terminator movies long ago, it's to hard to see a good future and learning the moral of the story just to get a retcon for both in the next movie, EVERY TIME!
Other ones to add: - The Descent 2 retconning and then completely ruining The Descent 1 - a great film if you never watch the follow up - The third Dan Brown movie with the awful CGI dream sequence at the start
Im less bothered by the lack of services and morw bothered by how much it costs to get these cramped spaces. The cost of a coach ticket today is ridiculous when you think we used to be able to get food and entertainment. Today's first class is comparable to coach of the 60's. Thats disrespectful
Believe me, considering all the other dumber moments in the later Jurassic Park films, especially in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom and Jurassic World: Dominion, Alan Grant’s raptor nightmare looks tame in comparison.
No cause Raptor dream is enjoyably dumb. All of the Jurassic World trilogy is just infuriating.
Gotta love Bryce Howard run through the jungle from dinosaurs in stiletto high heels.
The end of the last Jurassic world movie has the most unbelievable scene in the whole series... when the politicians fixed everything!
Alien 3 - the beginning when we learn that Hicks (and more importantly) Newt died, completely undercutting the second film’s plot motivation.
Although it actually isn’t Hicks who dies; it’s actually a guy who named Turk. I can’t even begin to explain that coherently
1st rule of the Justice League Fight Club:
"If someone says MARTHA, the fight is over.
I love that movie, but I still couldn't help but giggle at your joke.
You forgot one:
Luke chucking the light saber in The Last Jedi.
It was all downhill from there 🤦♂
If you’re gonna kill Luke’s morale, have him solemnly hand the lightsabre back. It’s more Luke than yeeting his dad’s weapon off of a cliff.
😂 Vinnie Jones in 'X-Men Last Stand', when he said, "I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!"
Could not agree more with The Beach! I distinctly remember watching that scene thinking "WTF just happened?!" 😩
I’d rather have Alan’s weird Raptor nightmare as compared to a Mission Impossiable chase scene where a man outruns dinosaurs on the rooftops of Malta and he goes into a black market where they are cooking Dino meat 😂
Dinosaur nightmares make sense compared to other ideas.
Same here.
Or the unstoppable move of holding up your hand to calm dinos that have never seen you before and haven’t been trained to respond to that signal.
Nahhhh the JP nightmare scene was eerie af and shows Alan grants trauma and fear of going back to the island
Nah, that shit was stupid...lol
I agree, it's a good example of how seriously weird stress dreams can be. Totally relate 😁
Sorry baronn, it was just too goofy. When they did an Honest Trailer for the Jurassic Park series they played that scene repeatedly throughout the trailer.
They needed to find another way to show Grant's PTSD.
@@davidcatlett4052literally ANY other way would have come across less dumb...
Instead, they should have had Alan dream about raptors standing over him with one putting its curved toe claw at his neck just before he wakes up, or, harken back to the first movie in his speech and find a PG-13 rated way of showing him "alive, when they start to eat him."
I thought the worst part of a very bad movie was when Michael Corleone's daughter bleeds to death in his arms and he says "This is not what I wanted!"
Thanks for clearing that up Mr Coppola.
Sofía Coppola has recovered from that, pretty good director.
I just saw a preview for next movie; about Priscilla Presley.
I think once she did that film she realized she was not a good actress and focused her efforts on being a filmmaker where her true talent lies.
They really did Pierce Brosnan wrong with his last 007
I didn't think it was the worst or the best either. My favorite of his was Tomorrow Never Dies.
@@davidcatlett4052 Tomorrow never dies has a great motorcycle chase. I can see that one being a little true with the news company making events happen.
@@Kav3h Yeah. That and I liked Sheryl Crow's song for the movie more than the other ones in Pierce Brosnan's films.
@@davidcatlett4052 Yeah, they had all the pop stars doing the music then, and the one With Madonna in it was bad. Poor guy got the low end of 007
@@davidcatlett4052k.d. Lang’s Surrender is better.
You missed Luke Skywalker throwing the lightsaber in The Last Jedi we knew we were in for a dumpster fire after that
Last Jedi: Several-way tie for an array of Luke Skywalker moments.
1) Nonchalantly tossing the light saber behind him
2) Drinking the alien titty milk
3) Being shown about to commit murder of Kylo.
4) Losing saber fight to Rey
5) Astral projection! Dun dun dunnnn!
6) Dying and disappearing for no reason.
What about dropping bombs in space?!!
@@stillsixstudios well, I was just sticking to the Luke Skywalker stuff. Aside from that, of course, there are a million other things wrong with that God-awful film.
10. The Beach (The Protagonist Imagines He's In A Video Game)
9. Terminator: Dark Fate (The Death of John Connor)
8. Texas Chainsaw 3-D ("Do Your Thing, Cous," the female protagonist eggs on Leatherface to kill)
7. Jurassic Park III (Alan's Nightmare)
6. Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice ("Martha, Save Martha")
5. Die Another Day (James Bond Goes Surfing)
4. The Godfather: Part III (Mary's Death)
3. Scream 3 (Retconning The Original Movie)
2. Hellboy, 2019 (The Opening Monologue)
1. Alice In Wonderland, 2010 (The Futterwacken Dance)
U r so wrong about no.1.
It would be interesting if you did a list of bad movies that were somewhat redeemed by a brilliant moment. (On this topic, my #1 pick is the reveal at the climax of Dracula 2000.)
I never understood the hate for Godfather 3, it may not be the first 2 but still a very fine conclusion. Nor did I have a problem with that scene.
Hey Whatculture I have an idea for a top 10 or 20 list. I'm watching Air Force One right now and was thinking you could do a list of the best Presidents or world leaders in a movie. You know there's a lotta movies with some cool presidents. I wonder where Terry Crews from Idiocracy would rank?? Anyway, what do y'all think??
Yes! This has to be done!
I don’t know where President Camacho would rank against other film president/leaders, but he’d probably be a step up from the last two actual presidents! 😉
Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact. Chef's kiss 💋
10. John McClane surviving all that happens to him at his age (Live Free or Die Hard, 2007.)
9. Indiana Jones surviving the 'fridge flight' AND an atomic explosion at close range without a scratch as well as Mutt
Williams swinging with the monkeys (Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, 2008.)
8. The Terminator donning the 'star-framed' novelty sunglasses (Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, 2003.)
7. The submarine ride to the 'island' of Los Angeles (Escape From L.A., 1996.)
6. Everything after the opening credits (Superman 3, 1983.)
5. Everything after the opening credits (Jaws 3-D, 1983.)
4. Everything after the opening credits (Beverly Hills Cop 3, 1994.)
3. Everything after the opening credits (Karate Kid 3, 1989.)
2. Everything after the opening credits (Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier, 1989.)
1. The introduction of Jar Jar Binks (Star Wars - Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace, 1999.)
Introduction of Jar Jar😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh jar jar ain’t that bad
@@ht-rm4uu If you were creating a new character for Sesame Street, Jar Jar would be perfect. But Star Wars was a twenty-two year science-fiction franchise at the time and even though it was aimed at 10 years olds and on, it still had dark, serious undertones which a character like Jar Jar did not blend in well with - even as a comic relief. So yes, he ain't that bad. But for a franchise like Star Wars, he was far from good.
But that actor redeemed himself on the Mandalorian to make up for jar jar and you had pity him for all the hate he took from fans
@@nv4699 I never had a problem with the ACTOR playing Jar Jar. Ahmed Best did the 'best' he could with what was required of him by George Lucas. And yes, I agree he did do a great job as Kelleran Beq on The Mandalorian. My problem was with the CHARACTER of Jar Jar. He was just too silly and asinine to belong in a franchise such as this. Too bad Lucas didn't come to realize this until after viewing the finished product.
there is a reason for the retcon in Scream 3. it is due to the Columbine shooting that occur 1 year before. they change the script to help avoid anything to do with school violence.
I don't get why people still whine about the raptor dream in 3 but no one ever mentions the scene in lost world where the girl kills one with gymnastics.
Really? I lose interest in the franchise long before 3 but Gymnastics? That sound like Sharknado territory.
Oh, believe me, that moment is nothing compared to the other dumber moments in the Jurassic World series, mainly the last 2 films.
Star Wars episode 8 the stupid ironing board scene
Saw 3. I literally walked out of the theater on the first "trap" that wasn't a trap for the female detective. She won "the game", got the key and undid the lock but still loses her rib cage? Nah, I'm out. No longer a game and just torture killings.
In the film's defense, and I can't believe I'm defending one of the Saw movies, that development -- that the traps have just become torture killings -- is a part of the film's storyline, with the climax revealing that Jigsaw had realized that his protege, Amanda, was breaking the rules he'd tried to teach her, with the results being that first scene and other deaths in the film.
Pierce Brosnan is the Matt Smith Doctor Who of James Bonds: his 1st film was so great, yet everything that followed it felt worse by comparison.
#7: The sad thing is that the raptor saying "Alan" is the only memorable moment.
#5: Does everyone who's watched "Die Another Day" think about only that stupid surf scene?
Nope, every single bit of it is stupid
I can remember when they showed Ellie's kid watching Barney the purple dinosaur (which made me roll my eyes at light speed).
And, no, I don't only think about the surf scene. I don't think it's the worst effect from a movie from that time period. That and Halle Berry's character deserved a spinoff like they originally announced.
I can remember the scene where they’re trapped in the aviary with the pteranodons and in the cloning facility where one of the raptors seemingly appears to be frozen in a glass tube of liquid only upon the kid’s mother looking closely that it’s alive leading to a standard raptor chase.
At least a lot more I can remember compared to Jurassic World: Dominion.
Me, my brothers and people in our theater literally laughed out loud when Superman said "SAAAVE....MARRRRTHAAAH"
Then Batman responds: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?!?!!"
It was so unintentionally hilarious, someone behind me said "THATS HOW they become friends?" 😂😅
I think my mom and I both laughed and facepalmed
@@LucyLioness100 I think we all had that feeling lol. It was one of those movies you had to turn off your brain and enjoy. But the Martha scene was too silly to ignore 🤣
I love how Batman and Superman having the same mother name is a cinematic toilet flush moment 🤪
What's really hilarious is that, until that cinematic moment, there were literally millions of comics nerds/geeks/fanboys/etc who DIDN'T REMEMBER that simple fact. Longtime readers of both characters' books were talking about that at the comics shop I was frequenting and every single one of them said they had absolutely forgotten or had just never really realized that Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne's mothers shared the same first name.
"Somehow, Palpatine survived." put the nail in the coffin for that particular episode of _Star Wars_
No Indiana Jones crawling out of a refrigerator? Ok......
Or using an inflatable raft as a parachute.
The raft as a parachute was stupid, but it didn’t start a death spiral for that movie. The fridge scene felt like a sign of things to come.
Thanks, Ewan, now I have to go watch the "Choo-Choo-Choose Me" Episode of "The Simpsons".
Killing off John Connor in the last Terminator was seriously a stupid thing to do.
Honestly, I've never understood the issue with the "Martha" scene in B v S. From start to finish, it makes perfect sense to me that Clark would ask Bruce to save his mother and that the fact that her name is also Martha would of course confuse Bruce, who hadn't considered that Superman had a family and people he cared for and who cared for him.
The issue I have with the fight is the reasoning behind the fight seemed forced and tenuous. Without some kind of mind control or one needing to stop the other from doing some separate action, they wouldn't be fighting. In this case, Superman simply could have stood there and explained that his mom was kidnapped. Until Batman breaks out the Kryptonite, there was no reason for Superman to engage at all. Had Batman led off with Kryptonite, no words exchanged, the rest of the fight would have made more sense to me.
Logically it makes sense why that could have ended the fight. However because as you mentioned the fight was already flawed it needed a "cool" resolution to salvage it. The fight ending because of the sheer coincidence that Superman and Batman's mothers had the same first name? That was too big a pill for many ( including myself ) to swallow.
@@peterkottke2570 I understand that. I guess it didn't hit me that way and I can only assume it's because I already knew the mother's shared a name. It wasn't a surprise that just happened to occur for the sake of stopping the fight.
@@codyduncan195 - I think the main issue comes down to focusing on the name of his mother. Batman was acting like a moron for the entire film and all that was needed to fix that was Superman saying "Martha". It lacks any substance and is an overly contrived moment which BvS already has its fill of contrived moments.
It's a great concept and does makes sense but it just comes off as weird because in that situation he calls his mother by her first name instead of saying save my mother. One extra line would have saved it for me "save my mother, save Martha"
And in a movie about super heroes it's a weird nitpick about something being un-realistic, but people just don't talk like that typically.
Exactly as you said, he could have explained that his mom was kidnapped, not that Martha was kidnapped. While personally the scene didn't bother me all that much, it was still incredibly awkward and forced. What Superman would have naturally said in that situation is "Save my mother! Her name is Martha Kent. She's being held by Lex Luthor..." To start with "Save Martha!" is just weird...
Die Another Day nearly ended the Bond franchise. If not for the Daniel Craig era coming some years later, I would have thought that was a good thing.
I actually liked Terminator: Dark Fate until everyone in the world told me I shouldn't. I wasn't expecting much out of it to begin with, and there were some major elements that I thought were just stupid, but overall, I thought it was OK.
You left out the moment Lucas put his signature on the final release of SW to Disney.
People shouldn't blame TIM MILLER for the failure of "Terminator: Dark Fate"
He was the director, not the writer
Killing John Connor was James Cameron's idea
Miller deserves another chance because he still got a lot to offer
He not only gave us DEADPOOL, but also SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, directed by his friend, Jeff Fowler
Also, have anyone seen LOVE, DEATH + ROBOTS?
Yeah, I agree. Tim Miller should get more work.
I still can't believe James Cameron announced he's working on another Terminator script as a side project to his Avatar movies. He signed off on Dark Fate story wise so he's lost my trust as far as making Terminator movies.
I feel bad for Sophia Coppola. It's not her fault that she got thrust into a situation she was unprepared for. And she clearly realized later that she shouldn't act. To my knowledge, she hasn't appeared in any of the movies she directed.
Terminator Dark Fate? You must have made a mistake there, there are only two Terminator movies. ;)
Rewatch this list with an objective eye & the first thing you notice is that all films mentioned are thirds or second sequels.
Good point.
And reboots. This Hellboy isn't a sequel.
A Good Day to Die Hard - The bad guys announce they have a chemical spray that "cancels radioactivity".
Batman: "Hand me the anti-radiation bat-spray, Robin!"
this is why Superman works alone.
Over-all, "Captain America: Civil War" was a decent movie and story, but the one line "I know that road!" draws attention to an impossible thing which leads a mind to the various other impossible or at least improbable things found in the story. How did a CCTV get at that road, which elder Stark's car just happens to crash in front of, crashed because super assassin happened to shoot at the exact right time for car to crash in front of that camera, and most of all HOW could younger Stark recognize "that road" just from a view of it on a CCTV... unless Tony had orchestrated the whole incident perhaps, much more convoluted and decades earlier than Zemo's plan.
The line is "Do your thing cuz!" In Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D.
I'm from Tennessee it's a phrase we use regularly. I laughed at this so hard 🤣
Jurassic Park III (A steady decline since the first) and BvS (which I am not a fan at all) now seem almost master pieces compared with the new ones...
I have to differ... Both Del Toro's Hellbow were good. For sure much better than the last ones.
The Martha line actually makes sense because it humanize Superman
Plus even after reading comics for decades I somehow never made that connection. So I personally enjoyed it.
@@TROOPERfarcry Batman knew Superman had a mother before the Martha line. He literally mocks Superman about it during the fight scene.
@@mack1305 Same here, it was a real "Oh my god, how did I not notice that hidden in plain sight all these years??" moment.
But it's still a frustrating incident, simply because of how _forced_ the line is in context. Logically, Superman should've said "Save my mother". Unless he somehow knew Batman's mother was also a Martha, and it was thus a cunning plan all along to shock Batman out of his rage, which Supes deployed in the one split-second available to him, just saying "Save Martha" is a really odd and unnatural way of referring to her.
If he'd simply groaned "Save my mother... Martha" it would've worked absolutely fine.
Fun Fact: Sofia Coppola is a terrible actress, but does great behind the camera.
Sups should have said "please save my mom" that would have shocked BM because he sees him as an alien, but the fact that he has a mom, that makes it harder, and then Louis could slide in all scared saying "his mother, his mother.....her name is Martha" and then you can peace together how that scene could conclude.
I loved Die Another Day. Lay off. Brosnan surfing was not as bad as the ENTIRE movie A View To A Kill with Moore BEYOND his age bedding women young enough to be his granddaughter.
The talking raptor scene is the greatest creation in all of cinema, maybe all of mankind. I respect your opinion but I will hear none of it.
(I don’t seriously feel strongly about anything in cinema but by god do I love that scene and friends and family and I will still to this day randomly just say “Alan!” to each other and it immediately lifts our moods lol
The real title should be "One EXACT Moment WhatCulture Lost All Ability to Remain Even Slightly Entertaining".
This narrator is why the Empire fell.
Well. After seeing the entire film Alice In Wonderland, The Futterwacken dance was necessary because it is a Disney film. Adult reviewers often forget that. You forgot the intense scenes of Alice fighting with the Jabberwocky which most likely frightened and traumatized our little ones. The impossible and cartoonish dance was to give the kids something to immediately laugh at and erase the ferocious dragon Jabberwocky fight from their minds. Come on-we cannot forget the children.
Just because you want to undercut an intense scene doesn't mean you have to come up with something stupid. The original animated movie had dark scenes too. And yet it found ways to deflate them in far more clever and funny ways.
Also, children aren't idiots. I would have hated this garbage when I was a kid.
Well I can tell you from watching it in the theater it with the 3D effects, it was like grown adults were becoming kids again because you instinctively wanted to reach out to pet the Cheshire cat and you could see people reaching up😊😊
This list cannot be complete without Alien 3.
Scream 1. A self-contained story of what might qualify as an isolated incident.
Scream 2. A copycat killer turns up with motive revealed to be blood ties with the original culprit.
Scream 3. We learn it was all one man's plan from the very start.
So far we've got reasonably consistent story logic and the retcon isn't that awkward. True the first two gave no clue of Roman's involvement. But what did we see or hear about that precludes it?
Scream 4: It all happens again just because it does. The killer is one of Sydney's relatives again. The killer's recruit is a psycho who can pull off the hapless-film-student persona again.
But at least the Loomis/Prescott family feud still ties it all together.
"Scream" 5: It all happens again just because it does. The killers have implausible motives. The expositional supporting characters lie about the state of movies and fandoms to set up the reveal.
"Scream" 6: It all happens again because we're going through the motions at this point. Promotions promise something new and different, but that evaporates after the first-scene killers are killed and we're back to the formulaic story. (Oh, and the first non-caucasian killer of the franchise falls victim to the racial trope of ethnic characters dieing early.)
Can we not think of more applicable moments for this list than the Scream 3 example?
And BvS was saved by the Warehouse scene which was amazing. Where it truly went off the rails was that awful version and introduction of Doomsday which was an embarrassment and the movie kept spiraling down from there.
Even the much superior director's cut is considerably flawed but there is much good in BvS too, the action is top-notch.
Instead of "can we just stop Terminator"; use "can we terminate the terminator".
The godfather III starting careening off the rails immediately after the title sequence
John Connor had no further story left. his destiny changed the second they destroyed the T-1000 and Cyberdyne, after that he was just a normal kid. the opening doesn't undermine T2 because John still destroyed Skynet, just 35 years before he was destined to. you bring back Skynet, you automatically undermine the ending of T2.
I never get why people complain about the continuity of any Terminator movie. Literally a movie about traveling through time and changing the future, therefore changing the past. They can do anything they want and it make sense. And that's because nothing about time travel makes sense lol
If he defeated Skynet, then how was there another Terminator walking around? The movie needed a better way to get rid of him.
@@goldfishprime some things are inevitable, Mr. Anderson. 🤣
@@goldfishprimeI felt like the movie pretty explicitly explained that the T-800 (T1) nd T-1000 (T2) weren’t the only two units sent back in time to deal with John, and that there were multiple T-800s and T-1000s sent back to various points along the timeline as sort of a series of fail safes to ensure that John was assassinated during one of these (presumably) vulnerable moments in his past?
@@rebelcaleb6984 That's massive plot hole and retcon to the lore, which is why people that followed the franchise rolled their eyes.
T1 was a closed loop. By trying to kill Sarah/unborn John in the past, Skynet essentially creates itself by having the terminator's chip reverse engineered and also it's enemy in the form of John Connor.
T2 was breaking the loop by stopping Skynet from being created.
T3 undermined this and was criticized, but at least it stayed true to the characters.
Dark Fate just opened up a can of worms that it could never recover from. It was essentially a multiverse film, trying to reboot the franchise with the same aesthetics, themes but just different characters.
06:28: You hit the nail on the head Ewan.
This was a great video until the term lead anchor (pronounced LEED anchor) popped up! Lol
Scream 3 was great, and the last good movie of the franchise
Im in the minority on this but i dont understand why ppl consider the reveal in scream 3 a retcon to the original...because it actually fits perfectly...Alot of ppl forget that Sid and Billy were already 2 yrs into there relationship when the original murders began so that means when Maureen was killed they were a year in...And thats probably around the time he met Roman and thats how Billy found out about the affair... Now Billy was always a lil ticky boom so impo his mental issues his bitter resentment towards his mother was only exasperated by learning who the woman was and he snapped...Problem was that psychos never stop at just 1 billy got his 1st taste of blood and that was all she wrote thats why Roman made the comment that he had no idea they were going to make their own movie (SCREAM 96')....Is it the best plot twist no but it does make sense also it doesnt change the original motives in Scream
@6:55 RIP that person's hearing...
Killing off Connor may have showed that the film gets off to a discouraging start. Why don't we hear much about its other moments of misandry, though?
Centering on female characters is one thing. Screenwriters using a trick coin just makes them seem weak, though.
We can go point-by-point if this comment starts a thread. Then again, it's hard to believe anyone who says it was hard to miss.
I’m not sure why Jurassic Park III gets shit on so much! It’s way better than Lost in New York and it’s way better than all the new movies!!
Not bothered what anyone says The Beach was a great flick with an awesome soundtrack.
the terminator dark fate hate is boggling to me. Linda Hamilton is so much cooler than edward furlong ever could have hoped to be.
Everyone who saw Terminator 2 agrees that there is no comparison between Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong; he was the worst part of that movie. But that doesn't change the fact that Dark Fate was a shit movie on nearly every level - bad writing and a bad plot, bad casting and bad acting.
With respect to this video, the question is: why kill John Connor? Within the story as written, there was no need. He had defeated Skynet and was obviously no longer training to save the world. But for Cameron, it was a statement that the Terminator franchise was utterly dead. For Hollyweird, it was a statement that the world didn't need no stinkin' white man to save it; in future, only women would be allowed to be heroes and save the day, especially if they were BIPOC.
I'm glad I never paid to see the movie; I won't be giving them any money as long as they keep making shit like this.
Johnny Cage getting killed rather fast in MK2.
Anyone who's taken mushrooms can attest the visuals to like a video game. I reckon they took his shroom scene out of The Beach, as this would have made total sense.
The Prestige, less than 5 minutes in it is like 'oh yeah they are twins' now i have to sit around for another two hours
I didn't mind it until the ludicrous introduction of Tesla. Because SCIENCE MAGIC. Although the idea that 2 brothers could plan and maintain that charade from about 7 yrs old does stretch suspension of disbelief just a bit..
Those cartoon gods (whatever they were called) in Thor: Love and Thunder. That film is quite rightly lambasted for taking things too far into Taika Waititi's quirky humour and while the screaming goats were pushing it a bit, that fleeting couple of seconds was so tonally detached from the rest of the MCU, you knew the film was dead and buried.
I agree with most of these but, in my opinion, the whole “Martha” thing is the most overblown thing I have heard in complaining about a “disastrously bad” movie scene.
BvS had its issues but I don’t believe that scene was one of them. The reasons that “Save Martha” would have a deep effect on Batman is well established in the movie.
Not only was Batman’s mother named Martha, it was also the last word spoken by his father. He became Batman so he could make sure another little boy wouldn’t have to feel as helpless as he did.
The effect of Superman’s words were not just that he spoke his mother’s name, but also that he was talking about SAVING her. Superman didn’t refer to her as HIS mom because she ISN’T Superman’s mom. She’s Clark Kent’s mom (secret identity).
This scene is thrown in to every negative list Whatculture comes up with. I’ve seen worse scenes in other movies that didn’t ruin the whole movie, much less this one.
Why doesn't anyone ever cite the fact that die another day was the same plot as goldeneye?
Wait? A space laser? This feels familiar
Why have I never noticed this before?!? 😆
I remember being in theaters when Die Another Day came out and I remember groaning at that surfing scene. Even as a 14 year old, I knew this was terrible. I don’t think I’ve watched it since.
The movie self destructed with the death of John Connor? John Connor doesn't need to be in every movie.
4:29 Alan. That part was hilarious.
Save Martha! WHY DO YOU SAY THAT NAME!?
I liked the Pierce Brosnan James Bond movies. I am bummed that he was actually had plans to be in at least one more Bond movie but was unable to.
Hellboy 2019 was better than I expected. I guess I grown accustomed to bad movies. Hellboy is a lot stronger than I thought. I didn't realize his strength was that superhuman.
Yes and no. John Connor is the entire reason Skynet sent Terminators back in time. Killing him and just creating a new resistance leader makes the whole series pointless. If they kill the girl in Dark Fate, would a dog become the next resistance leader?
@@goldfishprime Doesn't Dark Fate involve a different organization all together? Also in Dark Fate wasn't John Connor also in a timeline where Skynet was destroyed?
@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 I mean, they called it Legion instead of Skynet, but it was the same thing, sending terminators back.
And Skynet was supposed to be destroyed, but a Skynet Terminator killed him.
@@goldfishprime I think that Terminator was sent back before Skynet was destroyed.
@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 That's paradox then. If that terminator was still walking around, the events of T2 are undermined. The whole reason Arnold lowered himself into the lava was because there was "still one chip left." But now there are apparently tons of chips out there.
Dark Fate is the only movie I’ve rage quit and haven’t went back to
I actually thought Dark Fate was a pretty solid movie 😀 even the reviews wasn't terrible.
We have to be deadly serious...
Alan! Save Martha!
sofia coppola never wanted to act and was in that movie only because her father insisted.
As far as I'm concerned, "Terminator: Dark Fate" lost me the moment they decided the cyborg Grace would treat Sarah Conner like a piece of shit! The way she acted and talked to Sarah was so disrespectful, considering all Sarah had done up to that point. She ruined any hope of me enjoying the film!
2019 Hellboy is awesome. Brutal, nuts, irreverent. One of those films that will be reconsidered and rehabilitated. Jurassic Park III's has already begun - a fast-paced thrill ride with the second best JP dinosaur after T. rex.
Hrmm... decent list. I must say that I feel that Texas Chainsaw 3D's worst line is, 'Welcome to Texas, Mother F**ker.' He is literally from Texas. 'Do your thing, Cus' definitely made me roll my eyes on first watch, but it sort of fits the overall vibe of the movie.
ALAN! ALAAAN! Dr. Grant. 3:57
James Kirk is able to join Starfleet by just turning up STAR TREK (2009);
Batman summons bats to break through windows BATMAN BEGINS
Introducing the theory of a wormhole to the pilot as he's flying into one INTERSTELLAR
Shooting the person you were supposed to kill after a long stint of trying to kill him by hand (and in a PUBLIC convenience) CASINO ROYALE
Alien 3 is another one. Just kill off the protagonists from the previous movie right at the beginning. Way to kill the vibe man.
I stopped watching Terminator movies long ago, it's to hard to see a good future and learning the moral of the story just to get a retcon for both in the next movie, EVERY TIME!
Fast and Furious films?
The fist two "Scream" flicks were good.... lost interest after the 3rd. The last one... I hated so much.... as predictable as the moon.
I don't get it why does everyone misconstrued the Martha scene.?
This video self destructs many times when it talks about character dialouges but does not include the sound!
To be honest all the Bond films before always had questionable special effects but still awesome (Dr. No giant fish 😂)
How does the moment Indiana Jones exits the fridge not make this list?
I love when ferel Leo goes PS1. 🤷🏻♂️
Queen Ramonda's death in Wakanda Forever. ......
and Williamson had nothing to do with the writing of Scream 3. Research: it's easy and it's your friend.
Everyone makes fun of "Martha!"
the martha thing never bothered me .
Other ones to add:
- The Descent 2 retconning and then completely ruining The Descent 1 - a great film if you never watch the follow up
- The third Dan Brown movie with the awful CGI dream sequence at the start
What is futterwacken?
number 1 was disrespectful lol but im a JD & TB stan so biased lol
Im less bothered by the lack of services and morw bothered by how much it costs to get these cramped spaces. The cost of a coach ticket today is ridiculous when you think we used to be able to get food and entertainment. Today's first class is comparable to coach of the 60's. Thats disrespectful
Hummmm
Kevin Williamson DID NOT write Scream 3 !
I'm so tired of seeing it. Scream 3 wasn't a retcon, it was an addition to the canon.