Winning Krishnamurti | Life Beyond Accomplishments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2023
- A common misunderstanding of what it actually means to understand Krishnamurti in practical life: "winning" Krishnamurti or seeing understanding Krishnamurti as an accomplishment.
Life without any ideas, no limitations, also includes the death of our bespoke hopes and dreams. Radical change entails a complete disregard of the common narrative of accomplishments; as it clearly never brings true, long-term happiness.
Giving up your own idea of yourself is a surrendering to the life you have been living up until now, bucking against all the voices telling you how to live your very own life.
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I have a feeling that you understand the teaching more than most people who say they know K...
One love. 🌈
💚ACT loving kindness WILD
She is a human adult. She is where Jed Mckenna and Krishnamurti and Kapil Gupta are pointing to.
This is what I consider freedom from the mind, the end result of what i'm always talking about.
This is my ultimate goal... my ultimate desire. Complete freedom.
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I just adore all this
When ever i have seen K interacting with other people specially with people like Dr David Bohm, i get to get a deeper insight compared to his talks, however i am not undermining his talks, they are far better than any other out there. The reason i bring this is, Can you talk to me or anyone who loves you, i don't know what will happen then, i don't have an idea and not able to imagine ... over chat or email i don't know.. i wonder if you read comments because i have never seen you have responded.. talks from K has helped me come out of many hard complex structure of my mind... specially the talks around endings... how beautiful is any ending, irrespective of the thing being good or bad... like the ending of you watching K seems like a beginning of something new.. i know or don't know if i should wait for this ending for me.. but feel happy this ended for you.. till then will keep watching K and people who have loved him and understood him also desiring to interact with them in person, chat or email..
Hello Jane! Your concept on 'idea' seems nearly same of K's concept on 'image'. Your observation of life, through your life, shows originality.
Thank you for Sharing -- Yeah its not about accomplishments its about giving up of SELF CENTERED ACTIVITIES --
The messanger is now in the path to observe and letting go -
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Not operating from from a MEMORY, NOT FROM TIME, and yeah Not at all from an IMAGE --
There is no acceptance or denial, nor of the "I" or anything else, it's about observation of facts, facts do not have to be accepted or denied, they're facts, and in that observation, which has no center, there is something crazy. Let's not convince ourselves or decieve ourselves. If you were emprisoned in yourself and you got free from it, who is the one who got free?
Good analogy used and that's why ...... If you're really free...
The "You" doesn't remains l! & it's all finsihed"" that's why an enlightened man would not be able to talk about his Enlightenment or anything cuz it Gone! If he is free! Nothing ramains it's out.. finished!! Hence, all the people out there preaching about enlightenment or higher state or even being god's child or they will impress God are stuck in a mechanical repeatation of words nothing else including me..
I hope the lady in the video realize how she keeps making a division between the talker and that she call the ego.
And live I'll get the lady
Wow, do also enjoy Mooji's video?
Jane, I want to ask you something. Do you somtimes long or maybe simply get curious about what it's like to have a genuinely healthy connection with another being untained by both of your fears, attachments, ideas, conceptions, and so on? Solitude is something that I never get tired of, just the opposite really but I can't help sometimes but feel a longing for something. I have explored and still I am the deepest valleys of my psyche and it's an endless journey of death and rebirth, but when it comes to other people things become rather complicated.
It's the same for me. I never get tired of solitude but with other people everything gets complicated
@@blueocean3971 Sigh, complicated is right. What makes it so for me is the fact that for two to understand each other and connect there needs to be a fundamental level of transparency so that they could more or less observe one another, however, with most people I talk to I can never be completely frank because of two reasons. One is simply because I am afraid, and the other is because I know full well that whatever it is that needs to be said won't be received well by the other after my previous attempts to gauge their level of tolerance and limits. If for example you completely lose it after I tell you that I traveled to a particular place at daytime then I can be confident in my knowing you can never grasp the fact that I also went at nighttime and spent 5 days there, so a barrier is immediately created between us. What about you?
@@rightcliquegod7653 yes true. In that case it is of course tricky to be frank. I have learned to calculate when I can tell the truth or when I can change it. I have problems in trusting even the most understanding people in my life. But most of it is cause of my mental blockages. My mind doesn't work properly with others, I get too conscious. Problem is I use to try to be conscious bout every thought every action I had. But somehow it back fired me and I got trapped in my own mind. And my mind became over judgement towards myself. Like I wanna do something or I have some thought bout something, and I realize the motive behind it and suddenly I get unsure if that's the right action or I'm being selfish and I get stuck in between this judgemental and non action all together. It affected my relations too in my mind
How would you distinguish surrender from defeatism ?
Identification.
@@nobodyreally Could you please expand on that ?
@@conversationcorner1837 Whom is defeated? Surrender is letting go of the thought idea of this “whom” Which can hypnotize and Possesses us as long as we are identified.
Surrender: You spent your entire life trying to ride a bicycle with a spike for a seat and spaghetti for handles. One day, you discover the Ferrari in your garage. You surrender the shitty bike and start using the Ferrari to get around.
Defeatism: Feeling like a failure and a victim and sinful that you can't ride the shitty bicycle that's impossible to ride. But still really wanting to ride it. Having no idea about the Ferrari.
So ill double murti blind
Research Krishnamurti's Notebook. PLEASE!
But I love you 😂
7:07 I'm still doing this. I know what it feels like to be free though. Because the garbage dropped away once, but it came back. It's like you said, it feels like being a kid, but much cooler as an adult.
What's your observation of K's word 'one' when he adresed himself? Thankyou in advance!
@@IZh936 I haven't made anything of it. It's hard to listen and look for me, so I spend a lot of energy in observing his face and hearing what is being said.
@@mrsir3076, do you think that K sometimes used 'one' about himeself as an individ, somtimes 'K' as the one(himeself), not egoisticly?
@@IZh936 it seems to me that when he uses the term one that it's a generic stand-in term for humanity or any individual. He'll say one does this one does that and then after talking for a while he'll say are you doing it or try it out, he always says it's not a lecture but something to be participated in, and he refers to our human problems and our earth, and he always points out that each person represents all of humanity so the term one could be being applied very deeply or just in a general sense but I have no way of knowing
@@mrsir3076, yes, K used that 'one' as you pointed out, but also he yoused 'one' when he made reference(an personal history) to himeself, sometimes.
I'll give you a baby, baby. He he, ha ha.
If you want to be saved from J Krishnamurthy only UG can help you! Listen to him once... Or listen to Ashthvakraa Gita which is part of "Upnishada" the essence of VEDAS.... They both Blasted all this enlightenment, art of listening nonsense.. it's a good cycle to keep yourself spirituallly entertained and then falling into this conflict. I too have been into this cycle. Snap out of it!
The very reason you're still talking about it shows that you're still searching for a hint that somebody tells you" ok you got it or understood" the wanting to know more is the first step of this misery!! If someone wud say You or me that "There is no way" we wud want to know the "No way" because if you've really accepted it & understood it ends ! FINSIHED!! NO more questions, No mention, it should not even touch your thought or this life...
"The very reason you're still talking about it shows that you're still searching for a hint" why did ug talked then? dont be a follower
@@Anxh007 If you will hear or relate to something you will be instantly a follower. You think you're orginal. What brought me here is what brought you here. He talked when asked & his friend recorded so he was not interested in organising big events. Basically even if i want to go with Scriptures still I'd be or anyone wud be following. I am just living life as it comes. I'm not looking for something special & that's what I am implying here that just don't get into all this cuz there is no difference b/w a non religious or religious man. We all are filled with same mechanical thoughts hence we can't be unique in that sense as we all have consumed same information. It's just a vicious cycle. Hence it's better to lead life as it comes & do follow the rule of the country.
@@mick7156 you are very sure of what brought me here , arent you?🤭
if you will hear or relate to something you already are a follower , well i have to define the words now , words are nothing but sound , the meaning we give to the words are for communication purposes only , secondly when i used the word follower i meant believing someone either logically or as a blind faith , so i dont quite understand how i become a follower when i hear any statement ? because point 1 you clearly arent using the word follower in the same sense i am using , 2 you need words to communicate so transaltion and relating is part of communication process , even if you said no communication is necessary it is also part of communication,
he talked when his friends asked him ,, i am pretty sure he could hide many of the things he said , i am also pretty sure he could stop talking if he choose to , one interviewer asked a question to ug krishnamurti why do you talk and he replied , why not? , its basically one you are free to act you dont act for a desire , so i dont quite understand how can you judge the girl in this video and say that she is still stuck , because she is just talking , just like ug just talking , ug also did monologue baack in the time when no spiritual master did it , im not saying ug is wrong what i am simply saying is that once you are free , some other person cannot predict your actions (CANNOT MAE AN ASSUMPTION) , if you do so you are basing judgmenet from your own prejudices and personal biases
"It's just a vicious cycle"
well im not sure if that is different from the person who accepts suffering and happiness part of life and just lives .
because suffering basically means unacceptance of fact , therefore to say that it is a viciouc cycle and then conclude that we should not do anything is ridiculous its just like saying accept suffering, you are putting two opposite and contradictory things together not only taht you are also assuming that one cannot end this vicious cycle AGAIN AN ASSUMPTION
so all your paragraph was loaded with biases prejudices and assumptions self made or picked from ug krishnamurti whatever
there is a ending to the vicious cycle whether you end it or not it doesnt change the fact.
@@mick7156 we cant be unique? i dont know in what way you said that
our body shapes or eye shapes our way of speaking way of conducting oneself our intelligence our physical capabiliteis everythng seems unique
maybe you are talking with respect to mind , yes at the fundamental level of mind we are not different , desires suffering fear pleasure is fundamental to us , now are these an unchanging phenomena , in the sense that can our desires and all end? that is the question , if not , then life is meaningless and we all make our subjective meanings , but to create subjective meaning contradicts the premise that our minds are one and yes it surely can end , if you inquire yourself deep enough.
if these cannot end why would ug say words like natural state or calamity , and once it has ended again now every moment is new and you can bath in the freshness and originality of life.
@@Anxh007 yes i was saying that since we are similarly conditioned so there is nothing unique in respect with indentity or how we identify. The point you make is correct but he says there is no method. If it happens then it happens & he said he is not Enlightened .. it's some kind of experience he encountered which he can't explain, he just doesn't have any conflict & he understands the game of the mind. It cud be some sort of psychological phenomenon. He always says he doesn't know what happened hence If a person is enlightened such a person wud never keep saying I'm enlightened cuz he himself wouldn't know. As in scriptures it's said.. it cannot be transferred or given by saying, practicing or listening. Hence anyone who is talking about giving Enlightenment or claiming is same as us & no superior. He/she is also searching & exploring like any other ordinary man. That's it.