The difference between the Shia and the Sunni is that the Shia believe the Quran was compiled and complete during the life of the Prophet (SAWW) while the Sunni believe it was compiled during the time of Uthman . They also believe in 7 different Qu'rans with different wordings and claim these 7 Qu'rans are all revelation, also Uthman burnt and destroyed some of these revelations . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at The Shia have already responded to these claims m.th-cam.com/video/Y4gUCv3n4nE/w-d-xo.html And according to this Hajji Umar Bin Khattab is a Kafir , read tradition 817 www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_8_82.php When the Hajji though he did his homework m.th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html And it is the Sunni who narrate the Satanic verses and parts of this is recorded in Bukhari where the pagans and Muslims do Sujjod together near the Kaaba after reciting Surah Najm . This Bakri tried a publicity stunt and only made himself look stupid , jumping up and down like an arangatang LOL.
Don't take all this as a form of entertainment Please I as a former tablighi jamaat member changed to the Shia creed after investigating Discuss Your view pls
Hadith mentioned at 8:16 is weak because of Mu'alla b. Muhammed and Ali b. Abi Hamza who has been cursed by our scholars. Hadith mentioned at 19:35 is weak because of Muhammed b. Sinan. The 17,000 ayat verse hadith is weak as well and we have made a video explaining it. th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html try again :)
Lol you messed with the wrong person today. First hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Second hadith is weak bc of Munakhkhal. third hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Fourth is weak bc of mu'alla b. muhammed. fifth is weak bc of muhammad b. khalid. sixth is weak bc of hassan b. saif. seventh to tenth are all weak according to allamah majlisi. Even if we accept these ahadith, the additions are all taken to mean the interpretation of the quran, not the actual words. Try again next time :)
Hadith mentioned at 8:16 is weak because of Mu'alla b. Muhammed and Ali b. Abi Hamza who has been cursed by our scholars. Hadith mentioned at 19:35 is weak because of Muhammed b. Sinan. The 17,000 ayat verse hadith is weak as well and we have made a video explaining it. th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html try again :)
Lol you messed with the wrong person today. First hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Second hadith is weak bc of Munakhkhal. third hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Fourth is weak bc of mu'alla b. muhammed. fifth is weak bc of muhammad b. khalid. sixth is weak bc of hassan b. saif. seventh to tenth are all weak according to allamah majlisi. Even if we accept these ahadith, the additions are all taken to mean the interpretation of the quran, not the actual words. Try again next time :)
I have already posted the link to the vid where i explain how the 170000 aya hadith is weak. Also, if you want me to make takfir on scholars bc of tahreef, then you have to make takfir on the companions who believed in tahreef. Try again :)
Scholars saying that Kulayni believed in Tahreef bc some narrations in al kafi may allude to tahreef is rather weak evidence to prove Kulayni believed in Tahreef. First it is known that Kulayni did not think all the ahadith in his book were authentic. Second the seemingly pro-tahreef narrations in al kafi might have been thought to be the interpretation of the quran and not the actual words (this was the well-known opinion amongst the scholars). Thirdly Kulayni has included saheeh narrations in al kafi which are very anti-tahreef. So in conclusion, Kulayni did not believe in tahreef.
1) Imam Ash-Shafi’i: On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia, “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia.” and on another occasion he said; “Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion.” (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
The Eagle This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’ Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Refutation 1: Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih]. Refutation 2: Sheikh Bahai states: “A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26 Refutation 3: Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states: “Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230 Refutation 4: Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as): “I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”. Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1 This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer. Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely: Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as). i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it.... CHALLENGE open تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js First of All, Bring us a book that represents your true Shiaism and the deen you supposedly got from Ahl e Bait a.s which is not the case anyways. Your challenge is flawed in itself, why Sunnis should bring anything like thay where as Sunnis consider Quran complete. Ali a.s wasnt mentioned in Quran neither any of your 7 9 or 12 imams. Neither any concept of imamah. Whereas Abu Bakr r.a is mentioned not by his name but as friend of Muhammad pbuh. Baqir Majlisi supported many of your tahreefi traditions as saheeh. Thats why bring us the hadith book which you 12wer deviants consider 90% authentic. Like jafar as sadiq a.s said as per your school that in tafseer names are there 😂 and that namaz example. Bro this qoal is also flawed. Quran does not mention Imamah and Wilayah. In contrary, Quran mentioned Salah then details are mentioned by RasulUllah s.a.w with authentic chains of narration and rijals. If you took deen from Ahl Bait a.s then bro why isnt your any book within 150 years after hijrah. You can only twist few sunni ahadith and mix them with Kulyni like kuffars and and try hars to defend your Sabaee islam as true.
Masha allah you Sunni brothers make me proud when I c ur love for the HAQ, may Allah swt expand your knowledge, so you can refute these Shias with ease.
This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’ Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Refutation 1: Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih]. Refutation 2: Sheikh Bahai states: “A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26 Refutation 3: Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states: “Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230 Refutation 4: Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as): “I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”. Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1 This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer. Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely: Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as). i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it.... CHALLENGE open تفضل. الله المستعان
From time frame 19:30 , this Hajji states his second proof from alkafi, the following narration We read in Al-Kafi regarding the verse 2:23: ‘Jabir said: Gebrail revealed this verse to Muhammad in this manner: ‘And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed in favor of Ali to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it’‘ Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Hadith 26 Refutation 1 : Shaykh Bahboodi in his book Sahih al-Kafi have declared all these traditions as weak. Refutation 2: Hajji, be honest and sincere In your research, the same book alkafi has other narrations such as a Sahih tradition from Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as): “I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”. Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1 So ? Why you ignore this narration? And take that narration your presented in ISOLATION??? Fear Allah Refutation 3: With the narration i gave above, there seems to be a contradiction..what to do? Answer: READ HAJJI , LEARN There are numerous Hadiths that tell us when we find two contradictory Hadiths the correct method should be to measure such Hadith against the Quran and determine whether they either contradict or conform with the Quran. Those Hadith that contradict the Quran should be rejected; the Hadith that conform it should be accepted. Had any distortion taken place in the verses or Surahs of the Quran, the Imams (as) would have never narrated this method from their forefather the Holy Prophet (s). We would like to present such hadith. “Imam Raza (as) stated: When you find two contradictory reports about same matter then present both of them before the Quran since it contains instruction of every Halal and Haram [matter]. Therefore whichever is in accordance to the Quran adhere to it while present the one before Sunnah of Prophet (s) which is not present in Quran” Ayoon Akhbar Raza, Volume 2 page 20 by Sheikh Saduq Imam Jafar (as) narrates from his father who from narrates from his father who narrates from Ameer al Momineen (as): Verily every Haq is a reality and every Thawab is Noor. Thus take whatever is in accordance to the Quran and leave whatever is against it” Amali, page 368 by Sheikh Saduq These and similar traditions prove that there is no distortion to the Book of Allah (swt) and it is in same manner as it was revealed to our Holy Prophet [a] due to the fact that had any distortion taken place it would not have acted as the sole / final authority to check every hadith, including those inferring distortions to the Quran and to accept those that are in accordance to the Book of Allah and reject those that conflict with it. Refutation 4: What do our main stream scholars say: i present 2 as e.g Sheikh Saduq (rah) says: “Our belief is that the Qur’an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). It is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that. The number of Surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen …whoever asserts that we claim that it is greater in length than that, is a liar.” E’tiqadaat Sheikh Saduq Shaykh Baqair Majlisi advanced his unequivocal belief in the authenticity of the Quran in the following manner: ” إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر ” أي القرآن ” وإنا له لحافظون ” عن الزيادة والنقصان والتغيير والتحريف “We have revealed the Reminder” means the Quran “and We will most surely be its guardian” from addition, loss, change and Tahreef. Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 9 page 113 In his another book Mirat al-Uqool, Volume 2 page 273, Shaykh Baqar Majlisi stated: ليعلم أن للقرآن حملة يحفظونه عن التحريف في كل زمان “It must be known that in every era, there are people who protect Quran from Tahreef” الله المستعان. The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
The shia view is that the Qur'an is not preserved and the preserved Qur'an is with imam mahdi in occultation. All their hadith are accepted as a result even if it is clear kufr according to the Qur'an we have today
Isssa the legend dealing the group of liars with great dignity may the Almighty Allah Pak bless you and raise your status and make you from the helpers of Prophet Pak and his Holy Progeny
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 468 [English] Narrated Ibrahim: The companions of ‘Abdullah (bin Mas’ud) came to Abu Darda’, (and before they arrived at his home), he looked for them and found them. Then he asked them: ‘Who among you can recite (Qur’an) as ‘Abdullah recites it?” They replied, “All of us.” He asked, “Who among you knows it by heart?” They pointed at ‘Alqama. Then he asked Alqama. “How did you hear ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud reciting Surat Al-Lail (The Night)?” Alqama recited: *‘By the male and the female.’* Abu Ad-Darda said, “I testify that I heard the Prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it:- *‘And by Him Who created male and female.’* but by Allah, I will not follow them.” Unlike the followers of Abdullah Ibn Masud, Alqama and Abu Ad-Darda all Muslims today read in Surat Al-Lail (The Night) verse No. 3: وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَى [Pickthal 92:3] *And Him Who hath created male and female.* Compare this recital to that offered by Ibn Masud’s followers, Alqama and the testimony of Abu Ad-Darda whose recital included these words ‘By the male and the female’ (والذكر والأنثى). Sunnis litterally now have to make their highest sahabas Kafir 😂😂😂
SHIA BELIEVE IN TAHREEF (QURAN CORRUPTED) AL KULEINI: Al Kulayni. “Usool al-Kafy” vol. 2, Kitaab: Fadlul-Qur’an, narration # 28: علي بن الحكم، عن هشام بن سالم، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: إن القرآن الذي جاء به جبرئيل عليه السلام إلى محمد صلى الله عليه وآله سبعة عشر ألف آية “Ali b. al-Hakam from Hishaam b. Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Verily, the Qur’an which Gibril [as] came up with to Muhammad [saw] is 17,000 verses”. Majleese in “Mirat al uqool” said narration “muwathaq”. Majlisi said: ” This tradition (about 17000 verses in Quran) is authentic and it cannot be hidden that this traditon and many more authentic traditons are explicit in (saying) that the Quran is missing and has changed. The traditions have reached tawatur (i.e they are numerous) with regards to the meaning. Al KAFI, Vol. 1, page16, Al Kuleyni said: Swear by Allah, that there was Ayat in Quran sent by Jabrail which narrated the names of AHLEYBEIT: Ali, Fatimah, Hussein, Hassan. But their names being deliberately not included. Mirat Al-Uqool Vol 12 p. 525 Al-Majlisi I (Majlisi’s Father) said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic) -> RawDah Al-Muttaqoon, vol. 10, pg. 21Hoor Al-‘Aamilee said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (authentic) -> Al-Fuwaa-id Al-Toosiyyah, topic # 96, pg. 483. SHEYKH AS-SADUK ABOUT QURAN OF 17000 VERSES: بل نقول: إنه قد نزل الوحي الذي ليس بقرآن، ما لو جمع إلى القرآن لكان مبلغه مقدار سبعة عشر ألف آية. On the contrary, we say: "(Also by Allah to His Messenger) other salvations ("vahyi'") that are not included in the Quran were sent down, but if you collect all these "sendings together, they could make up 17,000 ayats" Book "Al-Itikadat", p. 84-85. REFERENCE: www.aqaed.com/book/54/et-sadogh-04.html#sad34 MAJLISI: Mirat al Uqool vol 10, p. 402, 403 "This fact (Tahreef) can not be hidden, that this narration is more authentic and clear explicit the fact of Quran has been changed and incomplete. Regarding this Hadith is Muttawatar with mass transmission and traditions. If reject this Hadith, it could be possible to reject of reliability of shia hadith scholarship from the very roots. Rejection of this Hadith is the same to reject thousands hadiths of Imamah.... " Al-Fuwaa-id Al-Toosiyyah, RawDah Al-Muttaqoon. فالخبر صحيح و لا يخفى أن هذا الخبر و كثير من الأخبار الصحيحة صريحة في نقص القرآن و تغييره، و عندي أن الأخبار في هذا الباب متواترة معنى، و طرح جميعها يوجب رفع الاعتماد عن الأخبار رأسا "The khabar (hadeeth) is SaHeeH and it is obvious that this khabar (hadeeth) and other SaHeeH ones like it are clear about the Qur'aan being shortened and changed, and in my opinion, this is mutaawatir in meaning, and discarding these narrations would lead us to rejecting all akhbaar (narrations) in general." Source: Al-Majlisi, Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 12, pg. 525 READ: Fai’ath Al-Qudsi (الفيض القدسي), that is printed in Bihar Al-Anwar, volume 105, page 53-53. Majlisi does believe in some form of Tahreef, namely distorted meaning. موثق. و في بعض النسخ عن هشام بن سالم موضع هارون بن مسلم، فالخبر صحيح و لا يخفى أن هذا الخبر و كثير من الأخبار الصحيحة صريحة في نقص القرآن و تغييره، و عندي أن الأخبار في هذا الباب متواترة معنى، و طرح جميعها يوجب رفع الاعتماد عن الأخبار رأسا بل ظني أن الأخبار في هذا الباب لا يقصر عن أخبار الإمامة فكيف يثبتونها بالخبر Muwaththaq, and in some versions ‘from Hisham b. Salim’ is replaced with ‘(from) Harun b. Muslim’. For the narration is authentic (sahih), and there is no doubt that this narration and many from the authentic narrations (about tahrif) are clear regarding the reduction of the Qur’an and its change. And according to me the narration on this topic are mutawaatir in meaning, and to discard all of it is to require removing the belief of the main of the narrations, rather I think that the narrations about this subject (of tahrif) are no less than the narration regarding al-Imaamah, so how can it be established by the narration (regarding al-Imaamah but deny the narrations on Tahrif): فإن قيل: إنه يوجب رفع الاعتماد على القرآن لأنه إذا ثبت تحريفه ففي كل آية يحتمل ذلك و تجويزهم عليهم السلام على قراءة هذا القرآن و العمل به متواتر معلوم إذ لم ينقل من أحد من الأصحاب أن أحدا من أئمتنا أعطاه قرانا أو علمه قراءة، و هذا ظاهر لمن تتبع الأخبار، و لعمري كيف يجترئون على التكلفات الركيكة في تلك الأخبار مثل ما قيل في هذا الخبر إن الآيات الزائدة عبارة عن الأخبار القدسية أو كانت التجزية بالآيات أكثر و في خبر لم يكن أن الأسماء كانت مكتوبة على الهامش على سبيل التفسير و الله تعالى يعلم و قال السيد حيدر الآملي في تفسيره أكثر القراء ذهبوا إلى أن سور القرآن بأسرها مائة و أربعة عشر سورة و إلى أن آياته ستة آلاف و ستمائة و ست و ستون آية و إلى أن كلماته سبعة و سبعون ألفا و أربعمائة و سبع و ثلاثون كلمة، و إلى أن حروفه ثلاثمائة آلاف و اثنان و عشرون ألفا و ستمائة و سبعون حرفا و إلى أن فتحاته ثلاثة و تسعون ألفا و مائتان و ثلاثة و أربعون فتحة، و إلى أن ضماته أربعون ألفا و ثمان مائة و أربع ضمات و إلى أن كسراته تسع و ثلاثون ألفا و خمسمائة و ستة و ثمانون كسرة، و إلى أن تشديداته تسعة عشر ألفا و مائتان و ثلاثة و خمسون تشديدة، و إلى أن مداته ألف و سبعمائة و أحد و سبعون مده و إلى أن همزاته ثلاث آلاف و مائتان و ثلاث و سبعون همزة و إلى أن ألفاته ثمانية و أربعون ألفا و ثمان مائة و اثنان و سبعون ألفا. And if it is said: “If it is required to remove the belief of the Qur’an, because if its tahrif is established, then in that may be in every verse, and their permission of recitation of this Qur’an and acting by it are known mutawaatir. And If it is not reported from one of the companions that one from our A’immah has given to us our Qur’an or its knowledge of recitation, and this is apparent for whoever follows the narrations. And for my life, how dare they charge the weak (interpretation) in these narration like what it is said about this narration that the increase in the verses are equivalent to the al-Qudsi narrations or separate from many of the verses. LET'S READ SHIA SCHOLARS ABOUT SHIA TAHREEF : AL-KULAYNI: There isn’t a statement from al-Kulayni that says that he believes in tahreef, sure, he might have incorporated narrations that may allude to tahreef in his al-Kaafi, but that is mere conjecture that he believes in the authenticity of those narrations or that he interpreted those narrations as tahreef. The very same narrations can be found in al-Sadooq’s books, and we all know that al-Sadooq was anti-Tahreef. AL-`AYYASHI: It is the same as above, there is no statement from al-`Ayyashi himself, just narrations that may allude to tahreef. Not to mention if you read the introduction of Tafsir al-`Ayyashi, you will realize that we cannot rely on this book as a way to accurately tell the view of al-`Ayyashi himself. AL MUFID .... the book that is authentically attributed to al-Mufid is his Tasaheeh of al-Sadooq’s `Itiqaadaat, and in his corrections of al-Sadooq’s beliefs, he never “corrects” al-Sadooq on his opinion of anti-Tahreef. Instead, he criticizes his opinion if the Qur’an was revealed all at once in the beginning and then revealed throughout the 23 years. He never says that the belief of anti-Tahreef of al-Sadooq is wrong..... HURR AL-`AMILI: وعندي أنّ هذا القول أشبه من مقال من ادّعى نقصان كلم من نفس القرآن على الحقيقة دون التأويل ، وإليه أميل A group from the people of Imaamah say: ‘That there is no lessening in words, nor from a verse, nor from a Surah, but the deletion of what was established in the Mushaf of Amir al-Mu’mineen from his explanations (ta’wil), and tafsir of the meaning of the reality of its revelation, and that was its established revelations, and its is not from the collective words of Allah, the Most High, which is the miraculous Qur’an… Source: al-Mufid, Awaa’il al-Maqaalaat, pg. 80 MAJLISI: Mirat al Uqool vol 10, p. 402, 403 "This fact can not be hidden, that this narration is more authentic and clear explicit the fact Quran has been changed and incomplete. Regarding this Hadith is Muttawatar with mass transmission and traditions. If reject this Hadith, it could be possible to reject of reliability of shia hadith scholarship from the very roots. Rejection of this Hadith is the same to reject thousands hadiths of Imamah.... "
LOL you proved you are ignorant , is that your best response ? Copy and paste like a parrot ? LOL Do you even read what you copy and paste ? 1) there is no statement of his to prove he believes in Tahreef , just collection of Hadith 2) he does not say Al Sadooq ANTI Tahreef stance is wrong ? 3) the Tawil and Tafseer of verses equals 12,000 ? Mate you're refuting yourself ! LOL The Shia's have already responded to these claims and proved it is the Sahaba themselves who believed in Tahreef and recited the Quran differently , according to As Suyutti many of these Sahaba are Kafir for this belief . The difference between the Shia and the Sunni is that the Shia believe the Quran was compiled and complete during the life of the Prophet (SAWW) while the Sunni believe it was compiled during the time of Uthman . They also believe in 7 different Qu'rans with different wordings and claim these 7 Qu'rans are all revelation, also Uthman burnt and destroyed some of these revelations . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at The Shia have already responded to these claims m.th-cam.com/video/Y4gUCv3n4nE/w-d-xo.html And according to this Hajji Umar Bin Khattab is a Kafir , read tradition 817 www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_8_82.php When the Hajji thought he did his homework on al Kafi m.th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html And it is the Sunni who narrate the Satanic verses and parts of this is recorded in Bukhari where the pagans and Muslims do Sujjod together near the Kaaba after reciting Surah Najm . This Bakri tried a publicity stunt and only made himself look stupid , jumping up and down like an arangatang LOL.
@@muslimmuslim9665 This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’ Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Refutation 1: Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih]. Refutation 2: Sheikh Bahai states: “A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26 Refutation 3: Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states: “Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230 Refutation 4: Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as): “I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”. Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1 This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer. Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely: Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as). i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it.... CHALLENGE open تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js Quran of 17000 Ayats from Shia sources: www.mezan.net/books/kafi/kafi2/html/ara/books/al-kafi-2/279.html www.aqaed.com/book/54/et-sadogh-04.html#sad34
@@muslimmuslim9665 What do our main stream scholars say: i present 2 as e.g Sheikh Saduq (rah) says: “Our belief is that the Qur’an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). It is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that. The number of Surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen …whoever asserts that we claim that it is greater in length than that, is a liar.” E’tiqadaat Sheikh Saduq Shaykh Baqair Majlisi advanced his unequivocal belief in the authenticity of the Quran in the following manner: ” إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر ” أي القرآن ” وإنا له لحافظون ” عن الزيادة والنقصان والتغيير والتحريف “We have revealed the Reminder” means the Quran “and We will most surely be its guardian” from addition, loss, change and Tahreef. Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 9 page 113 In his another book Mirat al-Uqool, Volume 2 page 273, Shaykh Baqar Majlisi stated: ليعلم أن للقرآن حملة يحفظونه عن التحريف في كل زمان “It must be known that in every era, there are people who protect Quran from Tahreef” الله المستعان. The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
3) Imam Malik :Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; “Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” During one of Imam Malik’s classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” (48:29) He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)
I love you brother hajji May Allah subhanahu watala give strength and sabar to you wallahi . it's not easy to deal with these things but wallahi carry on bruv Cz know this you are the means to guide alot of people mashallah masallah ❤❤❤☝☝☝❤❤❤
Isa is lost cah u see he’s tryna put his own criteria now he got his own Islam cah he knows he’s kafir he’s not in the right path nd dat guy just came in mo deen he’s fliipin liar he came in to lie nd back isa up buhh obv u seee d brum brothers came back nd he ran away like shaitaan Allah hu Akbar may allah guide Shia brothers nd this isa who’s messed up
Supreme Wisdom fam u on some serious crack U saying Sunnis were confused Watch the whole video again sunni brothers today were on it Uno dat isa nd moo deen who acts like a bigman wht happend today got destroyed enih it’s better stay quiet otherwise if dis people will chat shitt day will get banged like today
I just watched the whole video, Issa has been ripped like never before. The truth of the matter is he knows deep inside his upon false hood, but due to his pride and ignorance he will never accept Islam.
The endgoal of this guy was just to read the book that he bought. Telling people that what the book says is exactly what they believe. How is that a refutation?
The Batman The core of Shia belief is love for the Aale Muhammad and opposition to the Umayyad dynasty. Check history first instead of parroting mainstream propaganda. Thete was many opposition but no central leadership as it was an underground movement. That is why there emerged so much diffirences from moderate to extreme. Besides that, he (Hajji) wasn't even sure if that were his beliefs or not. He (Isa) already stated he did not believe that the Quran was changed so what's the Dilli batti?
I do not focus on the diffirences but on the simmilarities. After the sunni vs shia conflict is finished there will appear a sunni vs sunni conflict which already crept into the Park. It's all part of the zionist/imperialist agenda to divide and isolate muslims from eachother. Above that all, al-Kafi is not shi'ism. Shi'ism emerged from the opposition to the Umayyad kingdom which was hostile towards the progeny of Muhammad s.a.w. and which usurped the caliphate from the muslims making it the property of the Umayyad clan. Keeping this in mind my concern is rather the ignorance in the sunni world which is defending and venerating these kind of rulers who were hostile towards the Prophet's family. Last but not least, The caliphate of Yazid was the ijtihad of Muawiya but to love the progeny and family of Muhammad s.a.w. is a divine command from Allah azza wajal. Once the sunni's get rid of their own misconceptions we can focus on the shi'ites.
2) Imam Abu Haneefah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.”
Based on that logic the hadeeths of Aisha about breastfeeding an adult so he become your son In Islam... as much as we both logically and quranically refute that. It's still mentioned in prominent Sunni books..
One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja’far as-Sadiq): “Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) “He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it.” “A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head.” (Tafseer al-Askari) “Mix with them (i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116) Concerning the verse, “Verily the most noble of you in Allah’s sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)”, the shia attribute the following interpretation of “atqaakum”: “That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I’tiqadat)” It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah’s statement in the Holy Qur’an: “Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur’an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse.” (2:159) And the statement of the Prophet (SAWS) who said: “Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement.” (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi) I should stress that not all who are called shi’ia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of Aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of ‘Ali.
Isa is a joke has no criteria. The only reason why the majority of Muslims who are Sunni classify as being called Sunni is we have to differentiate the false sects. Shiasm is Persianized cult. The Quran is preserved and it’s complete and our prophet and allah have completed our deen. Nothing can be added or subtracted from the religion. 12 imams mutha and all of this extra stuff is innovation. That’s it. The prophet never mentioned this nor is it mentioned in the Quran. What a shame
So Isa is defeated because McConnor quoted a hadith that Isa himself does not accept? Shi'ism is not just Twelverism. In its origins it was a continuation of the Rashidun caliphate and a movement led by imam Husain r.a. that opposed the usurpation of the caliphate by the Umayyads. The Rashidun caliphs never considered the caliphate to be the property of their clan. The Umayyads turned it into a kingdom.
the first isa Janazah was with Shamsi it was like mortal kombat fatality at the end, and today another Janazah with Hajji, poor Isa come back to the truth stop listening to devil imams
Wa7ed Wa7ish you do know those 12 retards include imam Ali hussein Hassan jaffar sodique you know the scholar who taught abu Hanifa your school of thought ? You really are a thick fuck aren’t ya lol
عيسى يطعن في الكافي خلاف ماقال علاماء الشيعة في الكافي عيسى طلع يفهم اكثر من الطبرسي و المجلسي والقمي وقال الطبرسي..الكافي بين الكتب الأربعة ((كالشمس)) بين النجوم وإذا تأمل المنصف استغنى عن ملاحظة حال ((آحاد)) رجال السند المودعة فيه وتورثه الوثوق ويحصل له الاطمئنان بصدورها وثبوتها وصحتها مستدرك الوسائل3/532 ويقول عبد الحسين شرف الموسوي عن الكتب الأربعة :(هي الكافي والتهذيب والاستبصار ومن لا يحضره الفقيه وهي متواترة ومضامينها مقطوع بصحتها والكافي أقدمها وأعظمها وأحسنها وأتقـنها ) ثم يمدح الكتاب فيقول : ( 000ويعتبر كتابه هذا عند الشيعة أوثق الكتب الأربعة لذكره تمام سلسلة السند بينه وبين المعـصوم مما لم يجد نظيره في الكتب الأخرى ) . قال عبد الحسين شرف الدين » وأحسن ما جمع منها الكتب الأربعة التي هي مرجع الإمامية في أصولهم وفروعهم من الصدر الأول إلى هذا الزمان وهي الكافي والتهذيب والاستبصار ومن لا يحضره الفقيه، وهي متواترة ومضامينها مقطوع بصحتها والكافي أقدمها وأعظمها وأحسنها وأتقنها« (المراجعات 335 مراجعة رقم 110. طبع دار صادق ببيروت. وقال الفيض الكاشاني بعد الثناء على الكتب الأربعة » والكافي أشرفها وأعظمها وأوثقها وأتمها وأجمعها وقال الشيخ محمد صادق الصدر في كتابه (الشيعة ص122) « ويحكى أن الكافي عُرض على المهدي فقال : « هذا كافٍ لشيعتنا ». وقال الحر العاملي » الفائدة السادسة في صحة المعتمدة في تأليف هذا الكتاب وتوافرها وصحة نسبتها وثبوت أحاديثها عن الأئمة عليهم السلام« (خاتمة الوسائل 61). وقال العباس القمي » وهو أجل الكتب الإسلامية وأعظم المصنفات الإمامية والذي لم يعمل للإمامية مثله، قال محمد أمين الاسترابادي: سمعنا عن مشائخنا وعلمائنا أنه لم يصنف في الإسلام كتاب يوازيه أو يدانيه« (الكنى والألقاب 3/98).
MashaAllah brother Hajji you have knowledge you can dibate the problem is muslim brothers don't let you speak that would be great if you give a dawah alone
Isa is also giving his own interpretation. His says stuff like I believe my own studying. Islam doesn’t need your interpretation or your so called meaning. Islam is complete. Advise Shia brothers to look into Islam carefully. Shia ism is Persianized religion. What was the purpose of all the other prophets that came before that preached Tawhid? Now Shias say imams are infallible and greater than the prophets?! What nonsense idolizing people like what the Christians do. Submit to allah and believe in the messengers. No imamah or nothing.
Just read the book this asian brother is showing.. having read the article this is the clarification: All and any view point thats the quran is not complete or has missing verse is bot ture. The book outlined some of the narratives or ahadeeth that state such ayat were missing or not added. How ever the general view point of the author is to tackle such narrative and in order to outline and tackle such narrative you must first show what the narrative is( in this case the claim of some that quran is not complete) unfortunatley the asian brother took the paragraph out of context and try to manipulate it for some score points for the camera... if he took time to read the chapter even the whole page which he mentioned ( including the authors summary to the topic) he would have a clearer understanding....
first hadith is weak by the chain. Allamah al majlesi sais "Merat oloqoul" v5 page 15 : الحديث الثامن : ضعيف على المشهور - the 8th hadith is weak (based on Mashhour) - he then says that what Imam Sadiq (as) meant by" هكذا نزلت" can be that he meant that the verse was sent down with this meaning .he is actually doing tafsir on the quran .so both the chain is weak and the concept of hadith is not what you said. second is also weak . in merat oloqool v5 page 28 الحديث السادس والعشرون كالسابق. -the 26th hadith like the previous . - the prevous hadith is weak : الحديث الخامس والعشرون ضعيف. -the 25th hadith is weak . and this guy is so idiot that he cannot distinguish tafsir from the actual verse . Imam sadiq is saying this verse is about Imam Ali(as) . he didnt add anything to iy -about the third one he mentioned . the chain is good but tte hadith is the part that is named"Navader" and Navader is the plural form of Nader . meaning that Sheikh Koleini brought "Nader" hadiths is this part . now lets see what is Nader . Shahid alaval says in "Zekri alshia fi ahkam alsharia" v1 p48 : و الشاذّ و النادر: ما خالف المشهور، و یطلق على مرویّ الثقه إذا خالف المشهور. -Shaz and Nader are what contradicts the Mashhour and is a hadith narrated by a trusted narrator when it contradicts the Mashhour . -Lets what Imam sadiq(as) says about a hadith that contradicts the Mashhour : فقال ینظر إلى ما کان من روایتهم عنا فی ذلک الذی حکما به المجمع علیه من أصحابک فیؤخذ به من حکمناو یترک الشاذ الذی لیس بمشهور عند أصحابک فإن المجمع علیه لا ریب فیه.(Alkafi v1 page 68) -Dont know the exact translation but Imam Sadiq (as) is saying that when two hadiths contradict each other choose the one that is Mashhour(well known among the scholars) and leave the Shaz and Nader behind . so because this hadith as Sheikh Koleini says is Nader so this hadith has no credit for us and we leave it behind. _ even we have authentic hadith that a hadith that contradicts the Quran is Zokhrof and has no value or credit . Imam Sadiq(as) said (AlKafi v1 p69): مَا لَمْ یُوَافِقْ مِنَ الْحَدِیثِ الْقُرْآنَ فَهُوَ زُخْرُفٌ. -every hadith that contradicts the Quran is Zokhrof (meaning its a lie) . -So with this hadith how we believe in the hadith that say The Quran is not preserved? one of our greatest scholars , Sheikh Sadouq (the writer of the book "Man la yahzarohol faqih " the second of our four main books ) says in his book "Eteqadat"(beliefs) page 93 : اعْتِقَادُنَا أنَّ الْقُرْآنَ الَّذِى أنْزَلَهُ اللهُ تَعَالَى عَلَى نَبِيِّهِ مُحَمَّدٍ صلى الله عليه و آله هُوَ مَا بَيْنَ الدَّفَّتَيْنِ لَيْسَ أكْثَرَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ؛ وَ مَنْ نَسَبَ إلَيْنَا بِالْقَوْلِ بِأنَّهُ أكْثَرُ مِنْ ذَلِكَ فَهُوَ كَاذِبٌ - our belief is that the Qoran that Allah sbt sent down to his prophet (sawa) is the same Qoran that we have now in two volumes( The Qoran then was in two volumes, the same number of verses and letters but in two volumes because of the lack of printing,etc ) and is not more than that and anyone that says we believe that the Qoran is more than that is liar.
I don't understand why these Sunnis are making fun of Shia when Sunnis themselves don't believe Quran is complete. They for one don't have the ayahs of Breastfeeding and Stoning. They themselves say that the Ayahs of Stoning and Breastfeeding were eaten by a Tamed Sheep under Aisha's Pillow. Sahih al-Bukhari Book 61 Hadith 527 Narrated Ibn `Abbas: `Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and will not leave for anything whatever." But Allah said "None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar." 2.106 Sahih Muslim Book 5 Hadith 2286 Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surah’s of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13). Sunan Ibn Majah Book 9 Hadith 1944 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” 1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.
Maybe you're right. Aisha's Memory was eaten I guess. Sunan Ibn Majah Book 9 Hadith 1944 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” 1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.
Ouchhhh this is so embarrassing. 😬😬. Isa the dummy got his ass handed to him. I actually feel sorry him. You can't win with someone who thinks they are a scholar and can authenticate things but can't even read the language of the books he claims to be able to authenticate.
It's quite funny watching this discourse between Muslims. They all state the Quran is the perfect book yet it appears none of them are very learned on this book. So it's really a joke when they go around doing DAWAH and they don't know this book properly.
Again rubbish debate with people who can't have a civil convo without interrupting. These brummie just embarrassing themselves by being passively aggressive and rude constantly.
From time frame 29:48 Hajji presents his third proof from alkafi regarding the Qur'an to have 17,000 verses... Pls watch tge following lecture to dismantle Hajji's twisted evidences th-cam.com/video/-CTaql1OQ_4/w-d-xo.html
Isa is at a stage where no shia’s can defend him. Lol. And one must know their limitations of knowledge even starting to begin with using their incomplete so called complete knowledge. Isa has no authenticity to preach because he believe no one. So he should preach “brothers and sisters. Research yourself and believe what yourheart believes. “. He should NOT preach to others about believing in his research or authenticity. “ He is a new kind of shia without being a shia. There is nothing to debate with him. Predebate is to ask who he believes.
I'm not a muslim or christian but it's clear that Isa won the debate. The sunnis were just shouting, interrupting and did in fact not have any valid argument.
Qaisar Mushtaq taqiyah is what shia kafurs do who don’t believe in Islam yet used deception and lies to hide there truth about the lies and deception of shia sect
the funny par and annoying part it there was no shia ! .......sunna we and always without the prophet there would be no quran the sahaba to write its crazy
I feel sorry for the sunni side why because he is tryna get to the end of the truth by debating with a man who followers no General principles of hadith narrations and openly rejects his own scholars but at the same time claims he is following true Islam by giving his own interpretations which he openly admitted. The shia guy is not following any Mazhab or Ideology he is following himself. When their is no origin for your belief you pick and choose and thats exactly what he is doing. No sincerity at all. This speakers corner is ametaur like, all sides panick and seem worried about their claims, no rules of debate are applied.Im sunni and there is many tahrif in sunni books aswell so the men of principles have said all those narrations that contravene Principles of faith is to be rejected in the Ahle e sunnah wal jammah. The Shia mazhab is imconsistent and has no sanad or logic its built on those narrations that are already available and accepted in our books . The imama was never present as an vital crucial part of creed this was added in latter times in the shia beliefs so how can it be divine hmm, Regarding Khilafah this is opened for differences of opinion who was most superior after the prophet (as) but its clear consensus that Abu Bakr may god bless his heavenly soul was the first khalifah then Umar e farooq then Umar then ali may god be pleased with their heavenly souls. Khilafah was honoured by Ali (as) Khilafah never honoured Ali (as) -Musnad imam Ahmad bin hanbal.
ISA needs to understand the Hadith about the Muslims that shall create 73 sects and only one shall be Heaven worthy. So the Muslims with the western upbringing and there stance “I am a Muslim” is simply a falsehood. Remember the event of Karbala both sides were Muslim but only one was on Haq. And the other Hell bound. Qadayani have the same claim ie we are “MUSLIMS “ , does that make them Muslims??? The Muslims that shall be in majority shall be on Haq. Today the following sects are in minority ie Shia Deobandi Wahabi Salafi Qadayani etc etc etc
He doesnt even follow the shia doctorine because he knows its false imagine following baatil walahi i doubt hes a shia now because he dont take from the books
Qureshi This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’ Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Refutation 1: Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih]. Refutation 2: Sheikh Bahai states: “A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26 Refutation 3: Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states: “Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230 Refutation 4: Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as): “I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”. Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1 This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer. Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely: Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as). i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it.... CHALLENGE open تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js don't do taqqaiyya Man we know what you believe and you keep hiding inside yourselves as long as your Imam mehdi came from cave.. your Al kafi States that when ever our imam e zamana came, he will bring the original Quran until keep reading that Quran..in this manner you Shia do taqqiya because you believe emaan has 10 parts in which 9 out of ten consist upon taqqiya..so don't play this Gamed against me..jazakallah khairr..
@@muzammilqureshi2039 You have been lied to I honestly advise you to investigate for Yourself. No 12ver Shia believes the 12th Imam is in the cave...Auzobillah There is no need for Taqiyya lol This Shia propaganda will NEVER succeed. The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
@@muzammilqureshi2039 This issue of Taqiyya you guys always play games with..let me make you understand, perhaps you will pay heed Taqiyyah means ‘concealing one’s religion or faith due to fear, but in one’s heart, the person must believe in the religion s/he is concealing’. In other words it is a form of self-defence that encompasses defending one’s life, property, esteem and beliefs. Your scholar also AGREE with this Imam of Ahle Sunnah Allamah Fakhruddin Razi wrote: “When faced with two hardships, one should go through the smaller one to save one’s self from the bigger one. This is a recognized fact”. Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 5 In the same Tafseer, he says: “Taqiyyah is permissible till the day of Qayamah and this statement is better because it is Wajib to protect our life from any harm” Ibn Hajar Asaqlani gives the following definition of Taqqiyah: قلت ومعنى التقية الحذر من إظهار ما في النفس من معتقد وغيره للغير “I say that the meaning of Taqiyyah is to be cautious of revealing that which is in one’s mind regarding ones beliefs and practices, in front of others.” Fatah ul Bari, Volume 12 page 314 mam Ibn Hayan Andlasi records in Tafseer Bahar al-Muheet, Volume 3 page 190: قال ابن مسعود : خالطوا الناس وزايلوهم وعاملوهم بما يشتهون ، ودينكم فلا تثلموه. Ibn Masud said: “Live, comply and behave with the people as they like but as for your religion, don’t harm it”. Which is Taqiyya What is your YARDSTICK to mock this principle in Islam. Repent my friend I only wish good for you The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
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Today is Isa"the great's" Janazah please let's have a one minute silence.
Lol you wish
Your boys got their facts wrong lol
Supreme Wisdom is it u wasteman u on crack u dunnoh d diff even after watching the whole video
The difference between the Shia and the Sunni is that the Shia believe the Quran was compiled and complete during the life of the Prophet (SAWW) while the Sunni believe it was compiled during the time of Uthman . They also believe in 7 different Qu'rans with different wordings and claim these 7 Qu'rans are all revelation, also Uthman burnt and destroyed some of these revelations .
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at
The Shia have already responded to these claims
m.th-cam.com/video/Y4gUCv3n4nE/w-d-xo.html
And according to this Hajji Umar Bin Khattab is a Kafir , read tradition 817
www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_8_82.php
When the Hajji though he did his homework
m.th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html
And it is the Sunni who narrate the Satanic verses and parts of this is recorded in Bukhari where the pagans and Muslims do Sujjod together near the Kaaba after reciting Surah Najm .
This Bakri tried a publicity stunt and only made himself look stupid , jumping up and down like an arangatang LOL.
Junaid
I agree you are wasteman
I also agree your intellect is very very low
Supreme Wisdom on the day of judgment you’ll know who was acting like a wasteman
Do research nd den cmment wht u on about period
The hajji crew have come to the park with a bang... Hajji v the blade runners will be box office..
I was thinking the same way
Benny One no it wont hajji is ruthless and destroys him in 5 min
The Blade Runners are nothing!!! They're just humerous too watch, not knowledgeable one bit!🤣
Don't take all this as a form of entertainment Please
I as a former tablighi jamaat member changed to the Shia creed after investigating
Discuss
Your view pls
@@sunni4life587
Qur'an and Ahlulbayt
The one true path to Allah swt
Hajji is good talker. But his friend the Chubby one in coat n glasses is very annoying. Keeps interfering for no reason
Isa is a joke lmao, the truth will always prevail
Hadith mentioned at 8:16 is weak because of Mu'alla b. Muhammed and Ali b. Abi Hamza who has been cursed by our scholars. Hadith mentioned at 19:35 is weak because of Muhammed b. Sinan. The 17,000 ayat verse hadith is weak as well and we have made a video explaining it. th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html try again :)
sophia brown I’ll stick to worshipping God rather than a man, thanks anyway
Lol you messed with the wrong person today. First hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Second hadith is weak bc of Munakhkhal. third hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Fourth is weak bc of mu'alla b. muhammed. fifth is weak bc of muhammad b. khalid. sixth is weak bc of hassan b. saif. seventh to tenth are all weak according to allamah majlisi. Even if we accept these ahadith, the additions are all taken to mean the interpretation of the quran, not the actual words. Try again next time :)
First degree destruction of black Eesa. RIP Eesa!
RIP twelver shia in the comments below!
Hadith mentioned at 8:16 is weak because of Mu'alla b. Muhammed and Ali b. Abi Hamza who has been cursed by our scholars. Hadith mentioned at 19:35 is weak because of Muhammed b. Sinan. The 17,000 ayat verse hadith is weak as well and we have made a video explaining it. th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html try again :)
Lol you messed with the wrong person today. First hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Second hadith is weak bc of Munakhkhal. third hadith is weak bc of muhammed b. sinan. Fourth is weak bc of mu'alla b. muhammed. fifth is weak bc of muhammad b. khalid. sixth is weak bc of hassan b. saif. seventh to tenth are all weak according to allamah majlisi. Even if we accept these ahadith, the additions are all taken to mean the interpretation of the quran, not the actual words. Try again next time :)
kulayni did not believe in tahreef. can you find me a statement where he said that he believed in tahreef?
I have already posted the link to the vid where i explain how the 170000 aya hadith is weak. Also, if you want me to make takfir on scholars bc of tahreef, then you have to make takfir on the companions who believed in tahreef. Try again :)
Scholars saying that Kulayni believed in Tahreef bc some narrations in al kafi may allude to tahreef is rather weak evidence to prove Kulayni believed in Tahreef. First it is known that Kulayni did not think all the ahadith in his book were authentic. Second the seemingly pro-tahreef narrations in al kafi might have been thought to be the interpretation of the quran and not the actual words (this was the well-known opinion amongst the scholars). Thirdly Kulayni has included saheeh narrations in al kafi which are very anti-tahreef. So in conclusion, Kulayni did not believe in tahreef.
1) Imam Ash-Shafi’i: On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia, “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia.” and on another occasion he said;
“Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion.”
(Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
The Eagle
This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith
Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’
Al-Kafi, Volume 1
Refutation 1:
Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih].
Refutation 2:
Sheikh Bahai states:
“A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book
Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26
Refutation 3:
Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states:
“Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book
Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230
Refutation 4:
Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as):
“I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”.
Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1
This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer.
Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely:
Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as).
i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it....
CHALLENGE open
تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js First of All, Bring us a book that represents your true Shiaism and the deen you supposedly got from Ahl e Bait a.s which is not the case anyways.
Your challenge is flawed in itself, why Sunnis should bring anything like thay where as Sunnis consider Quran complete.
Ali a.s wasnt mentioned in Quran neither any of your 7 9 or 12 imams. Neither any concept of imamah. Whereas Abu Bakr r.a is mentioned not by his name but as friend of Muhammad pbuh.
Baqir Majlisi supported many of your tahreefi traditions as saheeh. Thats why bring us the hadith book which you 12wer deviants consider 90% authentic.
Like jafar as sadiq a.s said as per your school that in tafseer names are there 😂 and that namaz example. Bro this qoal is also flawed. Quran does not mention Imamah and Wilayah. In contrary, Quran mentioned Salah then details are mentioned by RasulUllah s.a.w with authentic chains of narration and rijals.
If you took deen from Ahl Bait a.s then bro why isnt your any book within 150 years after hijrah.
You can only twist few sunni ahadith and mix them with Kulyni like kuffars and and try hars to defend your Sabaee islam as true.
@@AmjadEvan
Hang on, where is Abu bakr named as a
" friend" in the Quran?
You are deluded mate
Show me the verse
it's like 5 on 1 and the shia brother Isa still demolished them lmao, when will these sunnis learn?
Masha allah you Sunni brothers make me proud when I c ur love for the HAQ, may Allah swt expand your knowledge, so you can refute these Shias with ease.
This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith
Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’
Al-Kafi, Volume 1
Refutation 1:
Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih].
Refutation 2:
Sheikh Bahai states:
“A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book
Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26
Refutation 3:
Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states:
“Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book
Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230
Refutation 4:
Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as):
“I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”.
Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1
This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer.
Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely:
Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as).
i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it....
CHALLENGE open
تفضل. الله المستعان
They’re all silent now 😂
They’re all silent now 😂
love my brummy bros 🤣
These sunni brothers are the new rafidah refuters. May Allah reward them.
From time frame 19:30 , this Hajji states his second proof from alkafi, the following narration
We read in Al-Kafi regarding the verse 2:23:
‘Jabir said: Gebrail revealed this verse to Muhammad in this manner: ‘And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed in favor of Ali to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it’‘
Al-Kafi, Volume 1 Hadith 26
Refutation 1 :
Shaykh Bahboodi in his book Sahih al-Kafi have declared all these traditions as weak.
Refutation 2:
Hajji, be honest and sincere In your research, the same book alkafi has other narrations such as a
Sahih tradition from Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as):
“I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”.
Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1
So ? Why you ignore this narration?
And take that narration your presented in ISOLATION???
Fear Allah
Refutation 3:
With the narration i gave above, there seems to be a contradiction..what to do?
Answer: READ HAJJI , LEARN
There are numerous Hadiths that tell us when we find two contradictory Hadiths the correct method should be to measure such Hadith against the Quran and determine whether they either contradict or conform with the Quran. Those Hadith that contradict the Quran should be rejected; the Hadith that conform it should be accepted. Had any distortion taken place in the verses or Surahs of the Quran, the Imams (as) would have never narrated this method from their forefather the Holy Prophet (s). We would like to present such hadith.
“Imam Raza (as) stated: When you find two contradictory reports about same matter then present both of them before the Quran since it contains instruction of every Halal and Haram [matter]. Therefore whichever is in accordance to the Quran adhere to it while present the one before Sunnah of Prophet (s) which is not present in Quran”
Ayoon Akhbar Raza, Volume 2 page 20 by Sheikh Saduq
Imam Jafar (as) narrates from his father who from narrates from his father who narrates from Ameer al Momineen (as): Verily every Haq is a reality and every Thawab is Noor. Thus take whatever is in accordance to the Quran and leave whatever is against it”
Amali, page 368 by Sheikh Saduq
These and similar traditions prove that there is no distortion to the Book of Allah (swt) and it is in same manner as it was revealed to our Holy Prophet [a] due to the fact that had any distortion taken place it would not have acted as the sole / final authority to check every hadith, including those inferring distortions to the Quran and to accept those that are in accordance to the Book of Allah and reject those that conflict with it.
Refutation 4:
What do our main stream scholars say: i present 2 as e.g
Sheikh Saduq (rah) says:
“Our belief is that the Qur’an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). It is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that. The number of Surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen …whoever asserts that we claim that it is greater in length than that, is a liar.”
E’tiqadaat Sheikh Saduq
Shaykh Baqair Majlisi advanced his unequivocal belief in the authenticity of the Quran in the following manner:
” إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر ” أي القرآن ” وإنا له لحافظون ” عن الزيادة والنقصان والتغيير والتحريف
“We have revealed the Reminder” means the Quran “and We will most surely be its guardian” from addition, loss, change and Tahreef.
Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 9 page 113
In his another book Mirat al-Uqool, Volume 2 page 273, Shaykh Baqar Majlisi stated:
ليعلم أن للقرآن حملة يحفظونه عن التحريف في كل زمان
“It must be known that in every era, there are people who protect Quran from Tahreef”
الله المستعان.
The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
The Shia view is that if the Hadith goes against the Quran it is rejected
The shia view is that the Qur'an is not preserved and the preserved Qur'an is with imam mahdi in occultation. All their hadith are accepted as a result even if it is clear kufr according to the Qur'an we have today
Mo deens appearance had me dying 😂😂
He disappeared the moment Bro Hajji returned..🤭😂😂
Isssa the legend dealing the group of liars with great dignity may the Almighty Allah Pak bless you and raise your status and make you from the helpers of Prophet Pak and his Holy Progeny
LOL, quit embarassing yourself. Your heretic beliefs about the Quran is not getting you any blessings from Allah. You guys should be ashamed
I aint gonna lie that Isa kids a funny guy. Love when a debates underway an he jumps in.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 468 [English]
Narrated Ibrahim:
The companions of ‘Abdullah (bin Mas’ud) came to Abu Darda’, (and before they arrived at his home), he looked for them and found them. Then he asked them: ‘Who among you can recite (Qur’an) as ‘Abdullah recites it?” They replied, “All of us.” He asked, “Who among you knows it by heart?” They pointed at ‘Alqama. Then he asked Alqama. “How did you hear ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud reciting Surat Al-Lail (The Night)?” Alqama recited:
*‘By the male and the female.’* Abu Ad-Darda said, “I testify that I heard the Prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it:-
*‘And by Him Who created male and female.’* but by Allah, I will not follow them.”
Unlike the followers of Abdullah Ibn Masud, Alqama and Abu Ad-Darda all Muslims today read in Surat Al-Lail (The Night) verse No. 3:
وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَى
[Pickthal 92:3] *And Him Who hath created male and female.*
Compare this recital to that offered by Ibn Masud’s followers, Alqama and the testimony of Abu Ad-Darda whose recital included these words ‘By the male and the female’ (والذكر والأنثى).
Sunnis litterally now have to make their highest sahabas Kafir 😂😂😂
SHIA BELIEVE IN TAHREEF (QURAN CORRUPTED)
AL KULEINI:
Al Kulayni. “Usool al-Kafy” vol. 2, Kitaab: Fadlul-Qur’an, narration # 28:
علي بن الحكم، عن هشام بن سالم، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: إن القرآن الذي جاء به جبرئيل عليه السلام إلى محمد صلى الله عليه وآله سبعة عشر ألف آية
“Ali b. al-Hakam from Hishaam b. Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Verily, the Qur’an which Gibril [as] came up with to Muhammad [saw] is 17,000 verses”.
Majleese in “Mirat al uqool” said narration “muwathaq”.
Majlisi said: ” This tradition (about 17000 verses in Quran) is authentic and it cannot be hidden that this traditon and many more authentic traditons are explicit in (saying) that the Quran is missing and has changed. The traditions have reached tawatur (i.e they are numerous) with regards to the meaning.
Al KAFI, Vol. 1, page16, Al Kuleyni said: Swear by Allah, that there was Ayat in Quran sent by Jabrail which narrated the names of AHLEYBEIT: Ali, Fatimah, Hussein, Hassan. But their names being deliberately not included.
Mirat Al-Uqool Vol 12 p. 525
Al-Majlisi I (Majlisi’s Father) said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)
-> RawDah Al-Muttaqoon, vol. 10, pg. 21Hoor Al-‘Aamilee said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (authentic)
-> Al-Fuwaa-id Al-Toosiyyah, topic # 96, pg. 483.
SHEYKH AS-SADUK ABOUT QURAN OF 17000 VERSES:
بل نقول: إنه قد نزل الوحي الذي ليس بقرآن، ما لو جمع إلى القرآن لكان مبلغه مقدار سبعة عشر ألف آية.
On the contrary, we say: "(Also by Allah to His Messenger) other salvations ("vahyi'") that are not included in the Quran were sent down, but if you collect all these "sendings together, they could make up 17,000 ayats"
Book "Al-Itikadat", p. 84-85.
REFERENCE:
www.aqaed.com/book/54/et-sadogh-04.html#sad34
MAJLISI:
Mirat al Uqool vol 10, p. 402, 403
"This fact (Tahreef) can not be hidden, that this narration is more authentic and clear explicit the fact of Quran has been changed and incomplete. Regarding this Hadith is Muttawatar with mass transmission and traditions. If reject this Hadith, it could be possible to reject of reliability of shia hadith scholarship from the very roots.
Rejection of this Hadith is the same to reject thousands hadiths of Imamah.... "
Al-Fuwaa-id Al-Toosiyyah,
RawDah Al-Muttaqoon.
فالخبر صحيح و لا يخفى أن هذا الخبر و كثير من الأخبار الصحيحة صريحة في نقص القرآن و تغييره، و عندي أن الأخبار في هذا الباب متواترة معنى، و طرح جميعها يوجب رفع الاعتماد عن الأخبار رأسا
"The khabar (hadeeth) is SaHeeH and it is obvious that this khabar (hadeeth) and other SaHeeH ones like it are clear about the Qur'aan being shortened and changed, and in my opinion, this is mutaawatir in meaning, and discarding these narrations would lead us to rejecting all akhbaar (narrations) in general."
Source:
Al-Majlisi, Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 12, pg. 525
READ: Fai’ath Al-Qudsi (الفيض القدسي), that is printed in Bihar Al-Anwar, volume 105, page 53-53.
Majlisi does believe in some form of Tahreef, namely distorted meaning.
موثق. و في بعض النسخ عن هشام بن سالم موضع هارون بن مسلم، فالخبر صحيح و لا يخفى أن هذا الخبر و كثير من الأخبار الصحيحة صريحة في نقص القرآن و تغييره، و عندي أن الأخبار في هذا الباب متواترة معنى، و طرح جميعها يوجب رفع الاعتماد عن الأخبار رأسا بل ظني أن الأخبار في هذا الباب لا يقصر عن أخبار الإمامة فكيف يثبتونها بالخبر
Muwaththaq, and in some versions ‘from Hisham b. Salim’ is replaced with ‘(from) Harun b. Muslim’. For the narration is authentic (sahih), and there is no doubt that this narration and many from the authentic narrations (about tahrif) are clear regarding the reduction of the Qur’an and its change. And according to me the narration on this topic are mutawaatir in meaning, and to discard all of it is to require removing the belief of the main of the narrations, rather I think that the narrations about this subject (of tahrif) are no less than the narration regarding al-Imaamah, so how can it be established by the narration (regarding al-Imaamah but deny the narrations on Tahrif):
فإن قيل: إنه يوجب رفع الاعتماد على القرآن لأنه إذا ثبت تحريفه ففي كل آية يحتمل ذلك و تجويزهم عليهم السلام على قراءة هذا القرآن و العمل به متواتر معلوم إذ لم ينقل من أحد من الأصحاب أن أحدا من أئمتنا أعطاه قرانا أو علمه قراءة، و هذا ظاهر لمن تتبع الأخبار، و لعمري كيف يجترئون على التكلفات الركيكة في تلك الأخبار مثل ما قيل في هذا الخبر إن الآيات الزائدة عبارة عن الأخبار القدسية أو كانت التجزية بالآيات أكثر و في خبر لم يكن أن الأسماء كانت مكتوبة على الهامش على سبيل التفسير و الله تعالى يعلم و قال السيد حيدر الآملي في تفسيره أكثر القراء ذهبوا إلى أن سور القرآن بأسرها مائة و أربعة عشر سورة و إلى أن آياته ستة آلاف و ستمائة و ست و ستون آية و إلى أن كلماته سبعة و سبعون ألفا و أربعمائة و سبع و ثلاثون كلمة، و إلى أن حروفه ثلاثمائة آلاف و اثنان و عشرون ألفا و ستمائة و سبعون حرفا و إلى أن فتحاته ثلاثة و تسعون ألفا و مائتان و ثلاثة و أربعون فتحة، و إلى أن ضماته أربعون ألفا و ثمان مائة و أربع ضمات و إلى أن كسراته تسع و ثلاثون ألفا و خمسمائة و ستة و ثمانون كسرة، و إلى أن تشديداته تسعة عشر ألفا و مائتان و ثلاثة و خمسون تشديدة، و إلى أن مداته ألف و سبعمائة و أحد و سبعون مده و إلى أن همزاته ثلاث آلاف و مائتان و ثلاث و سبعون همزة و إلى أن ألفاته ثمانية و أربعون ألفا و ثمان مائة و اثنان و سبعون ألفا.
And if it is said: “If it is required to remove the belief of the Qur’an, because if its tahrif is established, then in that may be in every verse, and their permission of recitation of this Qur’an and acting by it are known mutawaatir. And If it is not reported from one of the companions that one from our A’immah has given to us our Qur’an or its knowledge of recitation, and this is apparent for whoever follows the narrations. And for my life, how dare they charge the weak (interpretation) in these narration like what it is said about this narration that the increase in the verses are equivalent to the al-Qudsi narrations or separate from many of the verses.
LET'S READ SHIA SCHOLARS ABOUT SHIA TAHREEF :
AL-KULAYNI:
There isn’t a statement from al-Kulayni that says that he believes in tahreef, sure, he might have incorporated narrations that may allude to tahreef in his al-Kaafi, but that is mere conjecture that he believes in the authenticity of those narrations or that he interpreted those narrations as tahreef. The very same narrations can be found in al-Sadooq’s books, and we all know that al-Sadooq was anti-Tahreef.
AL-`AYYASHI:
It is the same as above, there is no statement from al-`Ayyashi himself, just narrations that may allude to tahreef. Not to mention if you read the introduction of Tafsir al-`Ayyashi, you will realize that we cannot rely on this book as a way to accurately tell the view of al-`Ayyashi himself.
AL MUFID
.... the book that is authentically attributed to al-Mufid is his Tasaheeh of al-Sadooq’s `Itiqaadaat, and in his corrections of al-Sadooq’s beliefs, he never “corrects” al-Sadooq on his opinion of anti-Tahreef. Instead, he criticizes his opinion if the Qur’an was revealed all at once in the beginning and then revealed throughout the 23 years. He never says that the belief of anti-Tahreef of al-Sadooq is wrong.....
HURR AL-`AMILI:
وعندي أنّ هذا القول أشبه من مقال من ادّعى نقصان كلم من نفس القرآن على الحقيقة دون التأويل ، وإليه أميل
A group from the people of Imaamah say: ‘That there is no lessening in words, nor from a verse, nor from a Surah, but the deletion of what was established in the Mushaf of Amir al-Mu’mineen from his explanations (ta’wil), and tafsir of the meaning of the reality of its revelation, and that was its established revelations, and its is not from the collective words of Allah, the Most High, which is the miraculous Qur’an…
Source: al-Mufid, Awaa’il al-Maqaalaat, pg. 80
MAJLISI:
Mirat al Uqool vol 10, p. 402, 403
"This fact can not be hidden, that this narration is more authentic and clear explicit the fact Quran has been changed and incomplete. Regarding this Hadith is Muttawatar with mass transmission and traditions. If reject this Hadith, it could be possible to reject of reliability of shia hadith scholarship from the very roots.
Rejection of this Hadith is the same to reject thousands hadiths of Imamah.... "
LOL you proved you are ignorant , is that your best response ? Copy and paste like a parrot ? LOL
Do you even read what you copy and paste ?
1) there is no statement of his to prove he believes in Tahreef , just collection of Hadith
2) he does not say Al Sadooq ANTI Tahreef stance is wrong ?
3) the Tawil and Tafseer of verses equals 12,000 ?
Mate you're refuting yourself ! LOL
The Shia's have already responded to these claims and proved it is the Sahaba themselves who believed in Tahreef and recited the Quran differently , according to As Suyutti many of these Sahaba are Kafir for this belief .
The difference between the Shia and the Sunni is that the Shia believe the Quran was compiled and complete during the life of the Prophet (SAWW) while the Sunni believe it was compiled during the time of Uthman . They also believe in 7 different Qu'rans with different wordings and claim these 7 Qu'rans are all revelation, also Uthman burnt and destroyed some of these revelations .
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at
The Shia have already responded to these claims
m.th-cam.com/video/Y4gUCv3n4nE/w-d-xo.html
And according to this Hajji Umar Bin Khattab is a Kafir , read tradition 817
www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_8_82.php
When the Hajji thought he did his homework on al Kafi
m.th-cam.com/video/Hygn3KnA8iw/w-d-xo.html
And it is the Sunni who narrate the Satanic verses and parts of this is recorded in Bukhari where the pagans and Muslims do Sujjod together near the Kaaba after reciting Surah Najm .
This Bakri tried a publicity stunt and only made himself look stupid , jumping up and down like an arangatang LOL.
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This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith
Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’
Al-Kafi, Volume 1
Refutation 1:
Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih].
Refutation 2:
Sheikh Bahai states:
“A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book
Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26
Refutation 3:
Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states:
“Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book
Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230
Refutation 4:
Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as):
“I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”.
Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1
This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer.
Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely:
Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as).
i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it....
CHALLENGE open
تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js Quran of 17000 Ayats from Shia sources:
www.mezan.net/books/kafi/kafi2/html/ara/books/al-kafi-2/279.html
www.aqaed.com/book/54/et-sadogh-04.html#sad34
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What do our main stream scholars say: i present 2 as e.g
Sheikh Saduq (rah) says:
“Our belief is that the Qur’an which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn). It is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that. The number of Surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen …whoever asserts that we claim that it is greater in length than that, is a liar.”
E’tiqadaat Sheikh Saduq
Shaykh Baqair Majlisi advanced his unequivocal belief in the authenticity of the Quran in the following manner:
” إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر ” أي القرآن ” وإنا له لحافظون ” عن الزيادة والنقصان والتغيير والتحريف
“We have revealed the Reminder” means the Quran “and We will most surely be its guardian” from addition, loss, change and Tahreef.
Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 9 page 113
In his another book Mirat al-Uqool, Volume 2 page 273, Shaykh Baqar Majlisi stated:
ليعلم أن للقرآن حملة يحفظونه عن التحريف في كل زمان
“It must be known that in every era, there are people who protect Quran from Tahreef”
الله المستعان.
The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
3) Imam Malik
:Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; “Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” During one of Imam Malik’s classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” (48:29) He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)
All these people make islam look bad sunni and shia
I love to watch Muslims argue! It is like a goose arguing with a duck lol
everyone shouting over each other you are not even respecting QUR'AAN when someone recite. Allah guide Us
Quran 2:30 clarifies this topic very clearly
We're taking your intellect to Birmingham LOOOOOL
Lol
I love you brother hajji May Allah subhanahu watala give strength and sabar to you wallahi .
it's not easy to deal with these things but wallahi carry on bruv Cz know this you are the means to guide alot of people mashallah masallah ❤❤❤☝☝☝❤❤❤
Isa is lost cah u see he’s tryna put his own criteria now he got his own Islam cah he knows he’s kafir he’s not in the right path nd dat guy just came in mo deen he’s fliipin liar he came in to lie nd back isa up buhh obv u seee d brum brothers came back nd he ran away like shaitaan Allah hu Akbar may allah guide Shia brothers nd this isa who’s messed up
Micheal shia ibn jackson ran away from truth like shaydaan for real.
Really ???
Why were all the sunnis confused then
Supreme Wisdom fam u on some serious crack
U saying Sunnis were confused
Watch the whole video again sunni brothers today were on it
Uno dat isa nd moo deen who acts like a bigman wht happend today got destroyed enih it’s better stay quiet otherwise if dis people will chat shitt day will get banged like today
Using your mind is not a sin. It's recommended in Quran.
Junaid
Isa proved Sunnis don't want to debate using the Qur'an lol
Stay quiet lad
ISA the great intellectual black shia what a joke every week we have a Janaza of him
djamel Cher What's a janaya?
Ibn Iskandar al-Qaribayni loooool
I just watched the whole video, Issa has been ripped like never before. The truth of the matter is he knows deep inside his upon false hood, but due to his pride and ignorance he will never accept Islam.
The endgoal of this guy was just to read the book that he bought.
Telling people that what the book says is exactly what they believe.
How is that a refutation?
Because shia beliefs are stupid thats why
The Batman The core of Shia belief is love for the Aale Muhammad and opposition to the Umayyad dynasty. Check history first instead of parroting mainstream propaganda. Thete was many opposition but no central leadership as it was an underground movement. That is why there emerged so much diffirences from moderate to extreme.
Besides that, he (Hajji) wasn't even sure if that were his beliefs or not. He (Isa) already stated he did not believe that the Quran was changed so what's the Dilli batti?
There's only one Lion of Hyde park who could debunk Shia on their face.
Haji and his brother so funny 😂 I like the good cop bad cop routine
The way he moves everyone out the way to reach for the books and talk...
I do not focus on the diffirences but on the simmilarities. After the sunni vs shia conflict is finished there will appear a sunni vs sunni conflict which already crept into the Park.
It's all part of the zionist/imperialist agenda to divide and isolate muslims from eachother.
Above that all, al-Kafi is not shi'ism. Shi'ism emerged from the opposition to the Umayyad kingdom which was hostile towards the progeny of Muhammad s.a.w. and which usurped the caliphate from the muslims making it the property of the Umayyad clan.
Keeping this in mind my concern is rather the ignorance in the sunni world which is defending and venerating these kind of rulers who were hostile towards the Prophet's family.
Last but not least,
The caliphate of Yazid was the ijtihad of Muawiya but to love the progeny and family of Muhammad s.a.w. is a divine command from Allah azza wajal.
Once the sunni's get rid of their own misconceptions we can focus on the shi'ites.
Intellectual great black Shia is the character Mr wishy-washy from family guy cartoon, he is here and he is there, this man will say anything!
HHAHAHAHAHA mo deen tried to enter the scene when bro hajji left for a second and disappeared back into the shadows when he came back 😂😂
It means misunderstood...11000 ayat = hidden knowledge or explanation
2) Imam Abu Haneefah:
It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.”
We will NEVER stay quiet on the SAQEEFAH plot
Based on that logic the hadeeths of Aisha about breastfeeding an adult so he become your son In Islam... as much as we both logically and quranically refute that. It's still mentioned in prominent Sunni books..
Shiasm gets destroyed time and time again Allahu Akbar.
One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja’far as-Sadiq):
“Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)
“He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it.”
“A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head.” (Tafseer al-Askari)
“Mix with them (i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)
Concerning the verse, “Verily the most noble of you in Allah’s sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)”, the shia attribute the following interpretation of “atqaakum”: “That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I’tiqadat)”
It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah’s statement in the Holy Qur’an:
“Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur’an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse.” (2:159)
And the statement of the Prophet (SAWS) who said: “Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement.” (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
I should stress that not all who are called shi’ia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of Aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of ‘Ali.
Isa is defeated at this point, and he is trying to shift the goal post. He is not an honorable debater.
When have you ever heard Isa quote a scholar ???
lol lol I have heard him, but he gets defeated all the time. lol lol
sunni's follow scholars more than Quran...JUST FOLLOW QURAN
Isa is a joke has no criteria. The only reason why the majority of Muslims who are Sunni classify as being called Sunni is we have to differentiate the false sects. Shiasm is Persianized cult. The Quran is preserved and it’s complete and our prophet and allah have completed our deen. Nothing can be added or subtracted from the religion. 12 imams mutha and all of this extra stuff is innovation. That’s it. The prophet never mentioned this nor is it mentioned in the Quran. What a shame
Brother Isa had lots of patiences... May Allah make easy for brother Isa working with these ignorant brothers...lol.
These brummies talk real fast
So Isa is defeated because McConnor quoted a hadith that Isa himself does not accept?
Shi'ism is not just Twelverism. In its origins it was a continuation of the Rashidun caliphate and a movement led by imam Husain r.a. that opposed the usurpation of the caliphate by the Umayyads. The Rashidun caliphs never considered the caliphate to be the property of their clan. The Umayyads turned it into a kingdom.
the first isa Janazah was with Shamsi it was like mortal kombat fatality at the end, and today another Janazah with Hajji, poor Isa come back to the truth stop listening to devil imams
Both sunni groups ran from the Qur'an
It’s official brummies are officially the dumbest humans around lol
A person that believes in 12 retards, beats himself and prays to graves is calling someone dumb? Lol idiot
Its that guy again. Good one ??
Wa7ed Wa7ish you do know those 12 retards include imam Ali hussein Hassan jaffar sodique you know the scholar who taught abu Hanifa your school of thought ? You really are a thick fuck aren’t ya lol
karimothadon and yours has a perm ? Stop being a idiot
عيسى يطعن في الكافي خلاف ماقال علاماء الشيعة في الكافي
عيسى طلع يفهم اكثر من الطبرسي و المجلسي والقمي
وقال الطبرسي..الكافي بين الكتب الأربعة ((كالشمس)) بين النجوم وإذا تأمل المنصف استغنى عن ملاحظة حال ((آحاد)) رجال السند المودعة فيه وتورثه الوثوق ويحصل له الاطمئنان بصدورها وثبوتها وصحتها مستدرك الوسائل3/532
ويقول عبد الحسين شرف الموسوي عن الكتب الأربعة :(هي الكافي والتهذيب والاستبصار ومن لا يحضره الفقيه وهي متواترة ومضامينها مقطوع بصحتها والكافي أقدمها وأعظمها وأحسنها وأتقـنها )
ثم يمدح الكتاب فيقول : ( 000ويعتبر كتابه هذا عند الشيعة أوثق الكتب الأربعة لذكره تمام سلسلة السند بينه وبين المعـصوم مما لم يجد نظيره في الكتب الأخرى ) .
قال عبد الحسين شرف الدين » وأحسن ما جمع منها الكتب الأربعة التي هي مرجع الإمامية في أصولهم وفروعهم من الصدر الأول إلى هذا الزمان وهي الكافي والتهذيب والاستبصار ومن لا يحضره الفقيه، وهي متواترة ومضامينها مقطوع بصحتها والكافي أقدمها وأعظمها وأحسنها وأتقنها« (المراجعات 335 مراجعة رقم 110. طبع دار صادق ببيروت.
وقال الفيض الكاشاني بعد الثناء على الكتب الأربعة » والكافي أشرفها وأعظمها وأوثقها وأتمها وأجمعها
وقال الشيخ محمد صادق الصدر في كتابه (الشيعة ص122) « ويحكى أن الكافي عُرض على المهدي فقال : « هذا كافٍ لشيعتنا ».
وقال الحر العاملي » الفائدة السادسة في صحة المعتمدة في تأليف هذا الكتاب وتوافرها وصحة نسبتها وثبوت أحاديثها عن الأئمة عليهم السلام« (خاتمة الوسائل 61).
وقال العباس القمي » وهو أجل الكتب الإسلامية وأعظم المصنفات الإمامية والذي لم يعمل للإمامية مثله،
قال محمد أمين الاسترابادي: سمعنا عن مشائخنا وعلمائنا أنه لم يصنف في الإسلام كتاب يوازيه أو يدانيه« (الكنى والألقاب 3/98).
I don’t even think Isa is an orthodox 12er Shia. He just makes up his own shit as he talks 😂. Man has his own religion
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He is not shia , he is not sunni , he is not muslim .
MashaAllah brother Hajji you have knowledge you can dibate the problem is muslim brothers don't let you speak that would be great if you give a dawah alone
Brothers getting that monetization... lol
Isa is also giving his own interpretation. His says stuff like I believe my own studying. Islam doesn’t need your interpretation or your so called meaning. Islam is complete. Advise Shia brothers to look into Islam carefully. Shia ism is Persianized religion. What was the purpose of all the other prophets that came before that preached Tawhid? Now Shias say imams are infallible and greater than the prophets?! What nonsense idolizing people like what the Christians do. Submit to allah and believe in the messengers. No imamah or nothing.
Just read the book this asian brother is showing.. having read the article this is the clarification:
All and any view point thats the quran is not complete or has missing verse is bot ture. The book outlined some of the narratives or ahadeeth that state such ayat were missing or not added. How ever the general view point of the author is to tackle such narrative and in order to outline and tackle such narrative you must first show what the narrative is( in this case the claim of some that quran is not complete) unfortunatley the asian brother took the paragraph out of context and try to manipulate it for some score points for the camera... if he took time to read the chapter even the whole page which he mentioned ( including the authors summary to the topic) he would have a clearer understanding....
first hadith is weak by the chain. Allamah al majlesi sais "Merat oloqoul" v5 page 15 :
الحديث الثامن : ضعيف على المشهور
- the 8th hadith is weak (based on Mashhour)
- he then says that what Imam Sadiq (as) meant by" هكذا نزلت" can be that he meant that the verse was sent down with this meaning .he is actually doing tafsir on the quran .so both the chain is weak and the concept of hadith is not what you said.
second is also weak . in merat oloqool v5 page 28
الحديث السادس والعشرون كالسابق.
-the 26th hadith like the previous .
- the prevous hadith is weak :
الحديث الخامس والعشرون ضعيف.
-the 25th hadith is weak .
and this guy is so idiot that he cannot distinguish tafsir from the actual verse . Imam sadiq is saying this verse is about Imam Ali(as) . he didnt add anything to iy
-about the third one he mentioned . the chain is good but tte hadith is the part that is named"Navader" and Navader is the plural form of Nader . meaning that Sheikh Koleini brought "Nader" hadiths is this part . now lets see what is Nader . Shahid alaval says in "Zekri alshia fi ahkam alsharia" v1 p48 :
و الشاذّ و النادر: ما خالف المشهور، و یطلق على مرویّ الثقه إذا خالف المشهور.
-Shaz and Nader are what contradicts the Mashhour and is a hadith narrated by a trusted narrator when it contradicts the Mashhour .
-Lets what Imam sadiq(as) says about a hadith that contradicts the Mashhour :
فقال ینظر إلى ما کان من روایتهم عنا فی ذلک الذی حکما به المجمع علیه من أصحابک فیؤخذ به من حکمناو یترک الشاذ الذی لیس بمشهور عند أصحابک فإن المجمع علیه لا ریب فیه.(Alkafi v1 page 68)
-Dont know the exact translation but Imam Sadiq (as) is saying that when two hadiths contradict each other choose the one that is Mashhour(well known among the scholars) and leave the Shaz and Nader behind .
so because this hadith as Sheikh Koleini says is Nader so this hadith has no credit for us and we leave it behind.
_ even we have authentic hadith that a hadith that contradicts the Quran is Zokhrof and has no value or credit .
Imam Sadiq(as) said (AlKafi v1 p69):
مَا لَمْ یُوَافِقْ مِنَ الْحَدِیثِ الْقُرْآنَ فَهُوَ زُخْرُفٌ.
-every hadith that contradicts the Quran is Zokhrof (meaning its a lie) .
-So with this hadith how we believe in the hadith that say The Quran is not preserved?
one of our greatest scholars , Sheikh Sadouq (the writer of the book "Man la yahzarohol faqih " the second of our four main books ) says in his book "Eteqadat"(beliefs) page 93 :
اعْتِقَادُنَا أنَّ الْقُرْآنَ الَّذِى أنْزَلَهُ اللهُ تَعَالَى عَلَى نَبِيِّهِ مُحَمَّدٍ صلى الله عليه و آله هُوَ مَا بَيْنَ الدَّفَّتَيْنِ لَيْسَ أكْثَرَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ؛ وَ مَنْ نَسَبَ إلَيْنَا بِالْقَوْلِ بِأنَّهُ أكْثَرُ مِنْ ذَلِكَ فَهُوَ كَاذِبٌ
- our belief is that the Qoran that Allah sbt sent down to his prophet (sawa) is the same Qoran that we have now in two volumes( The Qoran then was in two volumes, the same number of verses and letters but in two volumes because of the lack of printing,etc ) and is not more than that and anyone that says we believe that the Qoran is more than that is liar.
You know it's a janaza when mo Deen Quickly comes to spit some bars and go away hahahaha before the dons come bAck
That noqabi Shia is so ignorant May Allah guide him
This had the potential to be an enjoyable and informative debate, but unfortunately it was nothing but hot air - both sides to blame.
That must hurt isa... now it is time for you to show your face and come back to islam by ALLAH'S will
I don't understand why these Sunnis are making fun of Shia when Sunnis themselves don't believe Quran is complete. They for one don't have the ayahs of Breastfeeding and Stoning. They themselves say that the Ayahs of Stoning and Breastfeeding were eaten by a Tamed Sheep under Aisha's Pillow.
Sahih al-Bukhari Book 61 Hadith 527
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and will not leave for anything whatever." But Allah said "None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar." 2.106
Sahih Muslim Book 5 Hadith 2286
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surah’s of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).
Sunan Ibn Majah Book 9 Hadith 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.
What a load of crap
Quraan verses were memorised!
Whose memory was eaten?😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe you're right. Aisha's Memory was eaten I guess.
Sunan Ibn Majah Book 9 Hadith 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” 1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.
report says it. It is called abrogation
Inalillahi wainnailaihi rajiuun for Shia
Hajji you legend
Sunni Hipster Islam replacing savage thug islam✌🔇😂
The black Shia imposter has been banged out BUT he is such a disgraceful man that he will keep coming back talking his $hit
Big up haji.Good to back up what you said
If we don't have to look at authenticity anymore but content then can we critisize sunni ahaadith with that same criteria?
The shia is putting magic on that Incense stick
Ouchhhh this is so embarrassing. 😬😬. Isa the dummy got his ass handed to him. I actually feel sorry him. You can't win with someone who thinks they are a scholar and can authenticate things but can't even read the language of the books he claims to be able to authenticate.
Damn shia lions got f******........😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There are many different Qur'ans
Hajji's acts are like that of a mad maan (shakti kapoor of raja babu movie)
It's quite funny watching this discourse between Muslims. They all state the Quran is the perfect book yet it appears none of them are very learned on this book. So it's really a joke when they go around doing DAWAH and they don't know this book properly.
This is causing more bad than it is good.
Lool , there's no hiding your religion when brother hajji shows up , issa you've just entered the no taqiyah zone
Again rubbish debate with people who can't have a civil convo without interrupting. These brummie just embarrassing themselves by being passively aggressive and rude constantly.
From time frame 29:48 Hajji presents his third proof from alkafi regarding the Qur'an to have 17,000 verses...
Pls watch tge following lecture to dismantle Hajji's twisted evidences
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Isa is at a stage where no shia’s can defend him. Lol. And one must know their limitations of knowledge even starting to begin with using their incomplete so called complete knowledge.
Isa has no authenticity to preach because he believe no one. So he should preach “brothers and sisters. Research yourself and believe what yourheart believes. “. He should NOT preach to others about believing in his research or authenticity. “
He is a new kind of shia without being a shia.
There is nothing to debate with him.
Predebate is to ask who he believes.
2025 & BEYOND.......
Hajji is on fire, actually isa the shia is on fire LOL
I'm not a muslim or christian but it's clear that Isa won the debate. The sunnis were just shouting, interrupting and did in fact not have any valid argument.
Arta Panah what are the argue about if you said he dont have valid argument??
Arta Panah isa was running from the truth he’s denying his own books and his imaams
I think you are blind. You are doing takia..u always favour your shias liers.
Qaisar Mushtaq taqiyah is what shia kafurs do who don’t believe in Islam yet used deception and lies to hide there truth about the lies and deception of shia sect
You always stand up for shia even when they are blatantly wrong and show no evidence so you are either a shia using taqiyyah or a plain idiot.
in the end, these muslims still kiss a bloody pagan black stone...these pagans...
This convert shia is only hear to argue for nothing
That was classic shia roasting
That little mouse gets excited too easy with his gang barking behind him.
Hajji from Brum killed it
Khuram imtiaz and khuram shahzad, stretching, I know cuzzy , call me, I remember you 1997 stretching , toffee tooth , nuzrull,
Salam brother
Bro hajji. Lol at the end we're nit going anywhere today mate. Lol
Kids are debating with brother Isa
the funny par and annoying part it there was no shia ! .......sunna we and always without the prophet there would be no quran the sahaba to write its crazy
The guy with shades has no manners
I feel sorry for the sunni side why because he is tryna get to the end of the truth by debating with a man who followers no General principles of hadith narrations and openly rejects his own scholars but at the same time claims he is following true Islam by giving his own interpretations which he openly admitted. The shia guy is not following any Mazhab or Ideology he is following himself. When their is no origin for your belief you pick and choose and thats exactly what he is doing. No sincerity at all. This speakers corner is ametaur like, all sides panick and seem worried about their claims, no rules of debate are applied.Im sunni and there is many tahrif in sunni books aswell so the men of principles have said all those narrations that contravene Principles of faith is to be rejected in the Ahle e sunnah wal jammah. The Shia mazhab is imconsistent and has no sanad or logic its built on those narrations that are already available and accepted in our books . The imama was never present as an vital crucial part of creed this was added in latter times in the shia beliefs so how can it be divine hmm, Regarding Khilafah this is opened for differences of opinion who was most superior after the prophet (as) but its clear consensus that Abu Bakr may god bless his heavenly soul was the first khalifah then Umar e farooq then Umar then ali may god be pleased with their heavenly souls. Khilafah was honoured by Ali (as) Khilafah never honoured Ali (as) -Musnad imam Ahmad bin hanbal.
isa is scared as hell to listen to his own book... omg what religion is this when you are hiding your scripture?????
ISA needs to understand the Hadith about the Muslims that shall create 73 sects and only one shall be Heaven worthy.
So the Muslims with the western upbringing and there stance “I am a Muslim” is simply a falsehood.
Remember the event of Karbala both sides were Muslim but only one was on Haq. And the other Hell bound.
Qadayani have the same claim ie we are “MUSLIMS “ , does that make them Muslims???
The Muslims that shall be in majority shall be on Haq. Today the following sects are in minority ie
Shia
Deobandi
Wahabi
Salafi
Qadayani etc etc etc
He doesnt even follow the shia doctorine because he knows its false imagine following baatil walahi i doubt hes a shia now because he dont take from the books
What is the name of the books
Wat the brothher had in him hand ?
Hajji did them lol
Is the books in dutch language
Writting ?
Masha'Allah br Hajji...you have just smashed that so called "Isa the great" the niqabi shia...😆😆😆
Qureshi
This Hajji in his first proof, stated this hadith
Abu Abdullah (as) said: ‘Allah almighty said: ‘and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger in the guardianship of Ali and the Imams after him, he indeed achieves a mighty success’. It was revealed in this manner’
Al-Kafi, Volume 1
Refutation 1:
Muhaddith Kashani in Al-Waafi, Volume 2 page 273 has also graded such hadiths as unauthentic [not Sahih].
Refutation 2:
Sheikh Bahai states:
“A matter that is common amongst people, [namely] that the name of Ali has been deleted from Quran is unreliable in the eyes of Shia Ulema” in his book
Aala e Rehman, Volume 1 page 26
Refutation 3:
Those traditions that state that Gebrail had also brought the name of Ali in a specific verse or it was revealed in that manner on Holy Prophet (s) does not mean that Ali was meant in the meaning of the verse nor do such traditions imply that his name was mentioned in the verse and subsequently deleted. Renowned Shia researcher Al-Khoie [rh] states:
“Allah has also revealed the tafseer of some of the parts of Quran on the Holy Prophet (s) but such tafseer are not the part of Quran. Therefore the traditions which suggest that the names of the Imams (as) were present in the verses , should be considered on the basis of the meaning of tafseer. If the words and sentences of such traditions do not allow such consideration/interpretation then there is no other way than to abandon such traditions because these traditions contradict the Quran and Sunah whilst in these two entities it has been proved that Quran is exempt from Tahreef” in his book
Al-Bayan fi Tafseer al Quran, page 230
Refutation 4:
Even if such traditions are not considered and interpreted in terms of their tafseer they remain unreliable as they contradict the Sahih tradition of Abu Baseer. In Al Kafi, Abu Baseer has narrated from Imam Jaffar Sadiq (as):
“I asked Imam Jaffar (as) about the verse 4:59. The Imam (as) replied that this verse was revealed in the honor of Ali and Hasnayn. I asked him: People want to know why the names of Ali and other Ahlebayt are not mentioned in the Quran? The Imam (as) replied: “Respond to such people’s objections by pointing out that Allah revealed five prayer times to the Prophet (s) but why did He not stipulate whether the prayers are four Rakats or three? When the Quran remains silent in this regard, then the Holy Prophet (s) set out the tafseer and explained the numbers of Rakats in prayers”.
Al Kafi, Volume 1 page 286 Hadith 1
This tradition explains all those traditions that imply that the names of the Imams of Ahlulayt (as) were mentioned in the Quran. It is clear from this tradition that the names of the Imams (as) being in Quran should be understood in the same way that the Holy Prophet (s) mentioned the number of units of prayers, in the form of tafseer.
Refutation 5: please pay attention to this point closely:
Another proof to negate the authenticity of such traditions can be evidenced by the fact that those famed personalities that refused to give bayah to Abu Bakr l.a NEVER advanced the notion that the name of Ali (as) was ever mentioned in the Quran to disprove the reign of Abu Bakar and advance the right of Ali (as). Had the name of Ali (as) was mentioned in the Quran, those who refused to give oath to Abu Bakar would have never missed the opportunity to cite such a solid concrete evidence in favour of Ali (as).
i hereby challenge any sincere Sunni to bring frim our books 1 single narration whereby imam Ali or any other imams of the Ahlulbayt proved to the people that they were imams but their names were omitted from the Qur'an . If that was the true reality then surely they would of said it....
CHALLENGE open
تفضل. الله المستعان
@@AA-dg2js don't do taqqaiyya Man we know what you believe and you keep hiding inside yourselves as long as your Imam mehdi came from cave.. your Al kafi States that when ever our imam e zamana came, he will bring the original Quran until keep reading that Quran..in this manner you Shia do taqqiya because you believe emaan has 10 parts in which 9 out of ten consist upon taqqiya..so don't play this Gamed against me..jazakallah khairr..
@@muzammilqureshi2039
You have been lied to
I honestly advise you to investigate for Yourself.
No 12ver Shia believes the 12th Imam is in the cave...Auzobillah
There is no need for Taqiyya lol
This Shia propaganda will NEVER succeed.
The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
@@muzammilqureshi2039
This issue of Taqiyya you guys always play games with..let me make you understand, perhaps you will pay heed
Taqiyyah means ‘concealing one’s religion or faith due to fear, but in one’s heart, the person must believe in the religion s/he is concealing’. In other words it is a form of self-defence that encompasses defending one’s life, property, esteem and beliefs.
Your scholar also AGREE with this
Imam of Ahle Sunnah Allamah Fakhruddin Razi wrote:
“When faced with two hardships, one should go through the smaller one to save one’s self from the bigger one. This is a recognized fact”.
Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 5
In the same Tafseer, he says:
“Taqiyyah is permissible till the day of Qayamah and this statement is better because it is Wajib to protect our life from any harm”
Ibn Hajar Asaqlani gives the following definition of Taqqiyah:
قلت ومعنى التقية الحذر من إظهار ما في النفس من معتقد وغيره للغير
“I say that the meaning of Taqiyyah is to be cautious of revealing that which is in one’s mind regarding ones beliefs and practices, in front of others.”
Fatah ul Bari, Volume 12 page 314
mam Ibn Hayan Andlasi records in Tafseer Bahar al-Muheet, Volume 3 page 190:
قال ابن مسعود : خالطوا الناس وزايلوهم وعاملوهم بما يشتهون ، ودينكم فلا تثلموه.
Ibn Masud said: “Live, comply and behave with the people as they like but as for your religion, don’t harm it”. Which is Taqiyya
What is your YARDSTICK to mock this principle in Islam.
Repent my friend
I only wish good for you
The future is RAAFIDHA ✔
@@AA-dg2js lakum deenukum wali yadeen...