The seeds of the future lie buried in the past. Optimus was told that by the oracle right from the beginning but never fully understood it until right than when he realized he needs to go down with Megatron in order to create the new Cybertron.
Not to mention the Oracles next words. "To unleash the warrior within, you must tame the beast without" A beast, an animal, does everything it can to survive and to live. It runs on instinct not discipline, which is what a warrior strives to be: disciplined, understanding, loyal, and sacrificing themselves for the betterment of everyone. The Oracle said it; do not fight like an instinctual animal, but unleash or let go of it to be the warrior Cybertron needs. That's honestly a personal favorite quote of mine. It means so much to me
Rattrap: “It just doesn’t feel like victory without the boss monkey.” Cheetor: “He’s with us Rattrap. As long as cybertron is alive, Optimus lives on in our hearts and our memories. As well as Megaton who’ll play a role in the grand scheme. The true vision from the orical has come to pass. Optimus finally achieved his mission.”
The core of Cybertron is formed from consciousness of the God Primus, the Bringer of Light, who was neither organic nor machine. Cybertron and the Cybertronians were formed because there was no organic material on the planetoid they were encased in when they sacrificed their own freedom to entrap Unicron the Chaos Bringer in a similar prison. There is some conflict with this backstory in the G1 season 3 when it says Primacron created Unicron, but Primus and Unicron being Gods is the eventually settled on origin. The G1 continuity is a huge whopping mess though and you'd be hard-pressed to piece everything together.
There was supposed to be a 3rd entry in this series but beast machines did so bad they scrapped it. I think the new forms were called transtech idk but cheators new body didn't look half bad
@@valdr2286 I'm fairly certain that TransTech is its own separate idea - a multi-dimensional hub where various characters from different series can meet, and very much mechanical.
@@LordProteus If you try to piece together all the G1 stuff, it's impossible, owing to the different comics (Dreamwave, IDW, IDW again) and even TV show variants (American G1 cartoon vs the Japan exclusive continuations). It's more accurate, perhaps, to say "G1 continuities." Primus and Unicron being gods is only settled on in particular origins, since sometimes Unicron is "just" a super-weapon. And sometimes, Primus is a psychiatrist, although the name escapes me at the moment. Ring? Rang?
I like that no one is talking about how megatron did what most of his other incarnations didn't, which was obtain absurd power by absorbing the sparks of cybertron's populous
Oh, he wasn't happy with how Optimus Primal became, well a "cult leader" in his words. Can't say I blame him; Beast Machines has some good ideas but damn was it a product of the eco crazed mid 90s-early 2000s.
The struggle between Eternal enemies now that's was a great show planting the seeds of future between the organic and the technological the two descendants of Cybertron greatest leaders.
As horrible as the show got after the first season (I think the first season was actually alright), this finale was pretty darn solid. Not what I'd like for the end of the G1 universe, but it at least had gravitas.
@@KodyCrimson yeah not many fans realize that Beast Machines is THE final entry in the G1 Timeline BUT if you follow JP's timeline the actual final entry is 2001 Car Robots (TF RID) because their cast actually travelled back in time and are new characters instead of just remade versions of Optimus and Megatron.
there's an explanation for this actually. because Megatron grew in size his mass would hamper his bodies own flying capabilities, him absorbing the sparks was his own literal downfall
You have imagine the boredom of Megatron, prior to the Maximals arriving to Cybertron. Having conquered and more than the other Megatrons prior. And being the only one. Having Optimus as an opponent was the best thing to happen. It gave him something to do.
Looking at Optimal Megatron, he really highlights that Mainframe had improved their visual quality quite dramatically between the end of BW and BM. I much prefer BW's models but I can't deny that BM looks way better than its predecessor from a pure quality perspective
To the people complaining about the Techno-Organic Cybertron, the _Universe_ and _Timelines_ comics explain that eventually the planet's cities were in the process of being rebuilt, so the planet would eventually look the way it used to. However now it had new features, such as not being completely dependent on Energon, anti-Transformer scanners and weapons made by other races no longer working due to the population not being 100% mechanical, etc. Also, whether you had a beast or vehicle mode was up to preference at that point.
I was kinda thinking the same thing before I learned that's what actually happened in canon. Like cybertron had obviously been reset to its primal stage, now augmented by organic upgrades, but would eventually go back to being mechanical as people rebuilt their homes and redeveloped science and technology. Eventually vehicle modes and all the other fancy tech stuff before the reformation would return, but now they'd be balanced out by the organic side of life as the Oracle intended. Edited for typos.
David Kaye probably has the longest voice carrier in Transformer tv show. More than Peter Cullen(3) and Gary Chalk(5). Beast wars and Beast Machines as Bw Megatron (2) Armada,Energon and Cybertron as Megatron (3) Tfa as Optimus (1) Tfp as Hardshell (1)
I always loved Beast Machines as much as Beast Wars. Imagine you and your friends FINALLY returning from years of War, watching friends die and sacrifice themselves, only to return home and find out everyone you ever cared about is dead or turned into a horde of zombie drones controlled by the very enemy you thought you had finally defeated. It's a war not just against hordes of new enemies but for the soul and future of your whole planet! That's why I love this show!
He was actually trying to get a body like primal did from the orignal megatron spark. The evolution of his body was effected by quickstrike dumping him into a lava pit. It could of also came from the fact that they lost the beast wars because the proto human.
The last scene, it may seem Megatron forgot he can fly, which is demonstrated earlier in the episode. HOWEVER, upon absorbing about 99.9% of Cybertron's sparks, we seem him grow by about double/triple. As we are not 2-dimensional beings, a growth like that has drastic effects in weight. In other words, Megatron gained godly power in exchange for the ability to fly (too heavy for thrusters now)
Godlike power yes. Insight, no. He overlooked the fact that Primal was restoring the balance between the organic and technological the entire time. Megatron was so caught up in turning Cybertron into a purely technological world that he missed that.
Nah, ME3 ending is a rip off of how the original Deus Ex ending. Which was three different endings, you either destory the internet, give it to the illuminati, or merge with it.
I liked how they brought back Optimus’ old body, I didn’t like the techno organic designs, Nightscream was kinda cool, but most of the previous designs were better
@Michael Van Zandt what makes you think he wasn't? He comes from and started out as a species of fully technological origins. Then, one day, he finds the balance between organic and technological the superior form of things and forces that ideology on everyone else. Megatron was like the Sith, easy pursuit of power. Selfish reasoning. Ultimately, self-serving with his goals. Optimus was like the Jedi. Power needed to be worked for and a balance between all things. Selfless to a fault and a sense of absolute righteousness with no thought to the hesitation or doubt from others. The bad thing about both of those ideologies is that they are both self-centered with little thought to abstract morality based on circumstance. Sure, Optimus says he's acting on the good of everyone else, but only his view of what is good for them and not letting the individual choose for themselves.
Ok,there are a lot of lack of info about the subject. This is actually much more simple than you think. 1.Optimus did realized he was fanatic at the end of season 1,and fixed himself. 2.The mission given to him by Oracle. And Oracle is basically willl of Primus. Aka the planet they are in. So he does have every right to do that. 3.The cybertronians were already greatly suffering from lack of energon. This is why they evolved into smaller robots. This new thecno-Organic bodies is basically "You dont have to pay the energon bill anymore" with extra steps. 4.Megatron already ripped everyones body,and turned them into vhecons. 5.Planet eventually will look exactly the G1 ver when their cities became active again.
Megatron's oddly human eyes from 4:29 onwards always freaked me out. Gives me an anime vibe, now that i think of it... Like Mr Perfect Cell specifically.
This show was alright. It's got merits like the decent CGI for the time, the voice acting was pretty good and this final battle was pretty good. Had it not get a bit heavy-handed with the environmental message (cuz that's what Transformers needs, to be environmentally friendly) and had the designs for the Maximals been less ugly, then I'd consider this a good follow-up from Beast Wars. As is though, it doesn't hold a candle to that show. Though at the least, I'd argue this is slightly better a follow-up than R.I.D (2015) was to Prime.
to b e fair, the tone down the environment part in season 2 (hence the whole allspark calling primal out for his less than savory actions in season 1).
It was horrible. It was so disappointing to have them lose all the cool trans-metal stuff, for clearly weaker forms And THEN right when some of us may have at least started to forget that travesty, they end the god damn show by reminding us with them all getting beat down by optimus's own body...WTF! The show is masochistic, cuck, garbage.
The way I see it, Megatron didn't just keep Optimus alive so he could gloat and have him witness his total, final defeat. The may reason was that Primal "was not coming". Megatron was going give everyone a chance to serve him in his utopia. But not Primal. he was going to leave Optimus out of his great reformatting.
I will never understand why Beast Machines was hated so much by Transformer fans. I thought it was a pretty good sequel to Beast Wars. Sure, Beast Machines had its positives and its negatives, but it was pretty good! The Maximals vs the Vehicons was an awesome war!
Optimus and Megatron pretty much swap personalities between beast wars and machines. Other than that, the artistic difference between the shows takes some getting used to.
Geminias when did they ever switch personalities. Megatron goal in beast wars was the same in beast machines. He got g1 spark to try and get a simuliar body as primal. It failed and still had mostly organic form. Optimus primal was always very nature like. Look up the where the plant attacks dinobot with a seed.
As in the way they wrote the characters in general... Optimus regularly crossed lines he'd never have crossed in the BW. And Megatron had values/ideals he sought to maintain at the expense of everything else.
I know beast machines gets criticism for it over arching plots and it's darker nature of it. But when the second season of the show came out it actually got better though. The battle between primal and megatron(well optimal megatron),was a great fight to the show itself. Beast machines is considered to be the end of the g1 era in its entirety to. I like this show I always have despite all the criticism it has always gotten. Some fans like and some don't. Will agree though on the toyline to the show wasn't exactly that great though.
The deaths of primal and Megatron reminds me of optimus prime's death in transformers prime and the death of black shadow and captain falcon in f zero gp legend
Could you imagine what would happen if Primal missed that shot leading to Megatron winning? Imagine in another universe where Megatron won and became the core conscience of Cybertron.
D..D..Did he just forget he could fly? I never really understood this version of megatron... in the beast wars, Megatron seemed to enjoy his beast mode.
Say what you want about _Beast Machines._ But this was the scene that really just told the audience that you have to let go of both Optimus and Megatron to truly see peace on Cybertron. They may not be the originals. But these two showed us that there could be an end to the fighting. An end to the struggle. An end to the war. _Beast Machines_ had its issues. But it showed us a bright future. By letting go of the past, we see a brighter future. Yes, doing so hurts. Doing so may require us to do things that we don't like. We may even make mistakes along the way. But to keep the future bright, it's something we have to do.
I only saw a few episodes of this show as a kid, but LOVED beast wars. I did a watch through recently of Beast Machines, and when this scene happened I literally screamed OH SHIT at my monitor in shock haha Beast Machines wasn’t perfect but had a lot of great moments.
It would've been cool if he changed colour upon absorbing all the Sparks. What to? Not sure but it'd be those of a previous form. Original purple, Transmetal bronze, dragon red or Grand Mal blue.
THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY SOME FANS GAVE UP ON CYBERTRONIANS. They're not worth THE FLESH they're PRINTED ON. All They Had To Do Was Hand Over The Keys, And They Could Have Been On With Their Trivial LIves.....
Bro,comics explained that Cybertron basically turned to its old look after cities developed. İts just without energon dependancy. And every cybertronian can choose a robot or beast form. Reformat basically fixed all the "bugs" in the system.
I get the gist of it, but this series was really confusing and convoluted. The whole premise of technology vs organic would have made more sense in Beast Wars (but I'm glad they didn't use it there, Beast Wars was awesome, so that concept would drag it down). To top it off this show was just so horribly presented to it's audience, it felt like the cgi quality got worse since Beast Wars. I guess it doesn't help that character designs for the Maximals were awful and the environment of Cybertron just wasn't that interesting (prehistoric Earth wasn't interesting to look at either, but most of the budget went to making the characters look good and the superb writing).
Funny how Megatron could've won if he seperated the oracle from Optimus Primal and then kill him before drilling the hole Cybertron's core . Then he can't be interrupted while using the Key of Vector Sigma to achieve his ultimate goal , but the dude miscalculated his plan and fucked up .
The only good thing about Beast Machines was the voice acting. I was truly let down by it. It didnt help Hasbro not allowing the new writers to watch Beast Wars hampered it so much. It could have been so much better than what this was. It just didn't work as well as it could.
If I had to complain, Beast "Wars" was made annoying by Cheetor's NON-STOP yells and cries. In Beast "Machines", it was everyone making slow "shocked" face movements constantly as time fillers.
And if I remember correctly, he challenged Primus to a duel. But I am curious as to who would win in a fight: Optimal Megatron (after absorbing all the sparks) or Cybertron Starscream.
You know if this descendant of Megatron succeeded he would turn Cybertron into a new unicorn with him as the brain and I don't care what people think about this series it's pretty cool having an interesting secret of Cybertron being organic before Primus merged with it or as in the original G1 series it's just a type of factory built by the quintessons which I'm certain it was used to be an organic Planet before something made the plant become a Barren Wasteland with fossilized animals hidden deep inside it
1:43 the biggest "yes" in the entire series.
Only Vader's "Noooo" could match it.
@@vicrattlehead6386 no.
@@MetalGearChris1 yes
And his final “no” at 4:39 Iconic
i was waiting for someone to adress this XD
Has anyone else realized that megatron practically turned himself into a SECOND ALLSPARK?
So did Optimus. He made it so that Cybertron wouldn't have to suffer their eternal fate at the hands of Megatron.
@Smokey 420
YOU GOT THE TOUCH
YOU GOT THE POWER
YEAH!
And if you ready 3m comics the quintessons we're ready to invade the techno-organic cybertron. Cryotek was watching in the sidelines
Yes!
Yeah one day even unicron wont be a match for him.
The seeds of the future lie buried in the past. Optimus was told that by the oracle right from the beginning but never fully understood it until right than when he realized he needs to go down with Megatron in order to create the new Cybertron.
There must always exist Optimus and Megatron, the eternal conflict must exist so the transformers can evolve into what primus designed them.
Not to mention the Oracles next words. "To unleash the warrior within, you must tame the beast without"
A beast, an animal, does everything it can to survive and to live. It runs on instinct not discipline, which is what a warrior strives to be: disciplined, understanding, loyal, and sacrificing themselves for the betterment of everyone. The Oracle said it; do not fight like an instinctual animal, but unleash or let go of it to be the warrior Cybertron needs.
That's honestly a personal favorite quote of mine. It means so much to me
Rattrap: “It just doesn’t feel like victory without the boss monkey.”
Cheetor: “He’s with us Rattrap. As long as cybertron is alive, Optimus lives on in our hearts and our memories. As well as Megaton who’ll play a role in the grand scheme. The true vision from the orical has come to pass. Optimus finally achieved his mission.”
till all are one
How will Megatron play a role in the grand scheme of things ? Even after he is dead.
@@WhyTho525 This was an error by OP. Cheetor actually says "Along with Megatron, who PLAYED a role in the grand scheme of things."
@@markandrew287till all are one
1:24 Eating all those sparks gave Megatron constipation.
Lol
Yes
It hurt like hell, but was worth it.
As much as I hate the idea of Cybertron having an organic core or being organic in any way, this final battle was awesome.
The core of Cybertron is formed from consciousness of the God Primus, the Bringer of Light, who was neither organic nor machine. Cybertron and the Cybertronians were formed because there was no organic material on the planetoid they were encased in when they sacrificed their own freedom to entrap Unicron the Chaos Bringer in a similar prison. There is some conflict with this backstory in the G1 season 3 when it says Primacron created Unicron, but Primus and Unicron being Gods is the eventually settled on origin. The G1 continuity is a huge whopping mess though and you'd be hard-pressed to piece everything together.
the battle rocks it is very cool 😎 good vs bad
There was supposed to be a 3rd entry in this series but beast machines did so bad they scrapped it. I think the new forms were called transtech idk but cheators new body didn't look half bad
@@valdr2286 I'm fairly certain that TransTech is its own separate idea - a multi-dimensional hub where various characters from different series can meet, and very much mechanical.
@@LordProteus If you try to piece together all the G1 stuff, it's impossible, owing to the different comics (Dreamwave, IDW, IDW again) and even TV show variants (American G1 cartoon vs the Japan exclusive continuations). It's more accurate, perhaps, to say "G1 continuities." Primus and Unicron being gods is only settled on in particular origins, since sometimes Unicron is "just" a super-weapon. And sometimes, Primus is a psychiatrist, although the name escapes me at the moment. Ring? Rang?
I like that no one is talking about how megatron did what most of his other incarnations didn't, which was obtain absurd power by absorbing the sparks of cybertron's populous
Until All Are one
Too bad he forgot he can flay😂
Also Megatron here looks off in the face a bit. His eyes sometimes look… cross eyed.
How traumatize is that
@@hunterthejokethegamerandst5567 As he does in prime a fair bit, funnily enough.
Damn the voice acting in this show is on point.
jwarnock291 Garry Chalk got ticked off during recording
why?
Oh, he wasn't happy with how Optimus Primal became, well a "cult leader" in his words. Can't say I blame him; Beast Machines has some good ideas but damn was it a product of the eco crazed mid 90s-early 2000s.
ShadowedNight you don't say well thanks for telling me
better than michael bay in hind sight tho
Oh, the irony,
Megatron’s last word was “NOOO!”
Woah, never realised that
Yes.
Noooo
His favorite word was "Yes...", and he died screaming the opposite of that word.
Ironic.
@@lancecurry7538 true true
The final battle between Primal & Megatron was so..... brilliant. What a great way to end the series & an era
Todd Davis I knows right this was brilliant I hate that the show didn't go longer
In the Japanese timeline it’s ended with beast wars bro.
The struggle between Eternal enemies now that's was a great show planting the seeds of future between the organic and the technological the two descendants of Cybertron greatest leaders.
@@genericstickman5967What's that
are you counting neo and those other spinoffs?@@leo11lim
I like this version of Megatron. he came sooo close to ruling Cybertron.
shit he pretty much did in the start of the series
Yep he ruled cybertron apparently he arrived back on cybertron a few days or months before the maximals
Basically he’s the only megaton to complete his goals
Solrac Hernandez He probably arrived on Cybertron years before the maximals since he had the whole frikkin' planet on his control
Solrac Hernandez years actually
You can't deny this is a heck of an epilogue to Transformers.
As horrible as the show got after the first season (I think the first season was actually alright), this finale was pretty darn solid. Not what I'd like for the end of the G1 universe, but it at least had gravitas.
@@KodyCrimson yeah not many fans realize that Beast Machines is THE final entry in the G1 Timeline BUT if you follow JP's timeline the actual final entry is 2001 Car Robots (TF RID) because their cast actually travelled back in time and are new characters instead of just remade versions of Optimus and Megatron.
@@ShanaReviewsL pfp
@@NBM1942 dude you are right.
I unleashed my madness
"I wonder if Megatron remembers he can fly...."
"Nope, guess not".
Immortal words of Bugs Bunny.
@Israel100israel I imagine he just panicked and it didn't occur to him quick enough
there's an explanation for this actually.
because Megatron grew in size his mass would hamper his bodies own flying capabilities, him absorbing the sparks was his own literal downfall
You have imagine the boredom of Megatron, prior to the Maximals arriving to Cybertron. Having conquered and more than the other Megatrons prior. And being the only one.
Having Optimus as an opponent was the best thing to happen.
It gave him something to do.
Looking at Optimal Megatron, he really highlights that Mainframe had improved their visual quality quite dramatically between the end of BW and BM. I much prefer BW's models but I can't deny that BM looks way better than its predecessor from a pure quality perspective
@I-io8eebe fair. All of their beast modes can fit perfectly with Transmetal I era(accept Silverbolt). And Cheetor looks very nice in his robot form.
@I-io8ee Chetoors Bm look is deffinetly an improvment over his Transmetal II form.
Though nofthing close to his Transmetal I and org form.
@I-io8ee ok,now ı am start to thinking that you are hating for sake of beign hating. His design is clearly much better.
To the people complaining about the Techno-Organic Cybertron, the _Universe_ and _Timelines_ comics explain that eventually the planet's cities were in the process of being rebuilt, so the planet would eventually look the way it used to. However now it had new features, such as not being completely dependent on Energon, anti-Transformer scanners and weapons made by other races no longer working due to the population not being 100% mechanical, etc. Also, whether you had a beast or vehicle mode was up to preference at that point.
I was kinda thinking the same thing before I learned that's what actually happened in canon. Like cybertron had obviously been reset to its primal stage, now augmented by organic upgrades, but would eventually go back to being mechanical as people rebuilt their homes and redeveloped science and technology. Eventually vehicle modes and all the other fancy tech stuff before the reformation would return, but now they'd be balanced out by the organic side of life as the Oracle intended.
Edited for typos.
Sounds like a bright future of Cybertron to me, as long as the right primed are in charge
Eh I prefer the comic that stated all this organic crap was a result of a false dream reality created by the Quintessons
@@Biorythym NO IT WASN'T!
@@humangirl2122 ....It wasn't.....what?
Poor Waspinator you gotta feel sorry for that guy
“Why universe hates Waspinator?”
-Waspinator
Out of context, this looks like a blue-faced man on Halloween fighting a sentient figure in an abandoned city...
Peter Cullen and Gary Chalk. Two best Optimus voices. Kinda ironic that David Kaye : great voice for Megatron, voiced Optimus in Animated.
David Kaye probably has the longest voice carrier in Transformer tv show. More than Peter Cullen(3) and Gary Chalk(5).
Beast wars and Beast Machines as Bw Megatron (2)
Armada,Energon and Cybertron as Megatron (3)
Tfa as Optimus (1)
Tfp as Hardshell (1)
@@Vilgax00
But Peter played Optimus since the beginning
G1, Film Franchise, War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, Prime, RID.
@@ImperialistFan oh yeah,ı forget rid. Games and movies dont count.
I always loved Beast Machines as much as Beast Wars. Imagine you and your friends FINALLY returning from years of War, watching friends die and sacrifice themselves, only to return home and find out everyone you ever cared about is dead or turned into a horde of zombie drones controlled by the very enemy you thought you had finally defeated. It's a war not just against hordes of new enemies but for the soul and future of your whole planet! That's why I love this show!
Makes you wonder where Megatron acquired his Scar between BW and BM, plus his sudden hatred for the Organic.
Falling through the transwarp tunnel and falling through cybertrons atmosphere before crashing. I'm guessing he got a lot of damage.
He was actually trying to get a body like primal did from the orignal megatron spark. The evolution of his body was effected by quickstrike dumping him into a lava pit. It could of also came from the fact that they lost the beast wars because the proto human.
Or maybe he got it from failed attempts at removing his beast mode from his body to make it purely technological
@@draketheharbinger2727 pretty sure that happened after his hatred for organics started
Maybe his personality as well as Primal's became affected by the sparks of Megatron and Optimus Prime.
The fact megatron took optimus prior form was crazy I wasn’t expecting him to do that I was thinking he would take inspiration from the G1 megatron
BETWEEN YOU AND I! One of the best lines in this show ever!
The last scene, it may seem Megatron forgot he can fly, which is demonstrated earlier in the episode.
HOWEVER, upon absorbing about 99.9% of Cybertron's sparks, we seem him grow by about double/triple. As we are not 2-dimensional beings, a growth like that has drastic effects in weight.
In other words, Megatron gained godly power in exchange for the ability to fly (too heavy for thrusters now)
Also that vine thing might have disabled his thrusters. Primal knows his old body well enough to do so.
Godlike power yes. Insight, no. He overlooked the fact that Primal was restoring the balance between the organic and technological the entire time. Megatron was so caught up in turning Cybertron into a purely technological world that he missed that.
The funny thing is that TF wiki actually pointed that out.
Wouldn't his thrusters, and thus their power, also grow?
but they could have SHOWN that
I was wondering why Mass Effect 3's 'SYNTHESIS ENDING' felt so familiar.
Dear god you’re right
Huh...
I don't understand.
Nah, ME3 ending is a rip off of how the original Deus Ex ending.
Which was three different endings, you either destory the internet, give it to the illuminati, or merge with it.
I liked how they brought back Optimus’ old body, I didn’t like the techno organic designs, Nightscream was kinda cool, but most of the previous designs were better
Looking back never realized how much of a fanatic Optimus was. Kinda feels like “The of lesser of two evil” between Megatron & Optimus
what makes you think that optimus prime he was a fanatic
@Michael Van Zandt what makes you think he wasn't? He comes from and started out as a species of fully technological origins. Then, one day, he finds the balance between organic and technological the superior form of things and forces that ideology on everyone else. Megatron was like the Sith, easy pursuit of power. Selfish reasoning. Ultimately, self-serving with his goals. Optimus was like the Jedi. Power needed to be worked for and a balance between all things. Selfless to a fault and a sense of absolute righteousness with no thought to the hesitation or doubt from others. The bad thing about both of those ideologies is that they are both self-centered with little thought to abstract morality based on circumstance. Sure, Optimus says he's acting on the good of everyone else, but only his view of what is good for them and not letting the individual choose for themselves.
Ok,there are a lot of lack of info about the subject. This is actually much more simple than you think.
1.Optimus did realized he was fanatic at the end of season 1,and fixed himself.
2.The mission given to him by Oracle. And Oracle is basically willl of Primus. Aka the planet they are in. So he does have every right to do that.
3.The cybertronians were already greatly suffering from lack of energon. This is why they evolved into smaller robots. This new thecno-Organic bodies is basically "You dont have to pay the energon bill anymore" with extra steps.
4.Megatron already ripped everyones body,and turned them into vhecons.
5.Planet eventually will look exactly the G1 ver when their cities became active again.
Megatron's oddly human eyes from 4:29 onwards always freaked me out.
Gives me an anime vibe, now that i think of it... Like Mr Perfect Cell specifically.
In the g1 Marvel Comics there are some Transformers who feature humanoid eyes (kinda scared me as a child while searching for Transformers old comics)
This show was alright. It's got merits like the decent CGI for the time, the voice acting was pretty good and this final battle was pretty good. Had it not get a bit heavy-handed with the environmental message (cuz that's what Transformers needs, to be environmentally friendly) and had the designs for the Maximals been less ugly, then I'd consider this a good follow-up from Beast Wars. As is though, it doesn't hold a candle to that show.
Though at the least, I'd argue this is slightly better a follow-up than R.I.D (2015) was to Prime.
Yeah I thought it was a decent show, flawed but I was still entertained from start to finish
@@nickzilla20 I just don’t like the premise. The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.
to b e fair, the tone down the environment part in season 2 (hence the whole allspark calling primal out for his less than savory actions in season 1).
It was horrible. It was so disappointing to have them lose all the cool trans-metal stuff, for clearly weaker forms
And THEN right when some of us may have at least started to forget that travesty, they end the god damn show by reminding us with them all getting beat down by optimus's own body...WTF!
The show is masochistic, cuck, garbage.
@@jacobcar1580 still better than transformers energon.
The way I see it, Megatron didn't just keep Optimus alive so he could gloat and have him witness his total, final defeat. The may reason was that Primal "was not coming". Megatron was going give everyone a chance to serve him in his utopia. But not Primal. he was going to leave Optimus out of his great reformatting.
This ending would have been very different if Megatron had realized one thing. HE CAN FLY!
He was too massive to fly it's physics
He was to big.
1:25
Um is it just me, or does it look and sound like Megs is having some trouble on the toilet?
I swear....did Megatron forget he has jets....
I will never understand why Beast Machines was hated so much by Transformer fans. I thought it was a pretty good sequel to Beast Wars. Sure, Beast Machines had its positives and its negatives, but it was pretty good! The Maximals vs the Vehicons was an awesome war!
Dustin Nunn different writers
The different personality changes, major tone shifts, maximal designs, and Cybertron's outcome are what many did not like about this series.
Optimus and Megatron pretty much swap personalities between beast wars and machines. Other than that, the artistic difference between the shows takes some getting used to.
Geminias when did they ever switch personalities. Megatron goal in beast wars was the same in beast machines. He got g1 spark to try and get a simuliar body as primal. It failed and still had mostly organic form. Optimus primal was always very nature like. Look up the where the plant attacks dinobot with a seed.
As in the way they wrote the characters in general... Optimus regularly crossed lines he'd never have crossed in the BW. And Megatron had values/ideals he sought to maintain at the expense of everything else.
1:24 When you finish drinking the ultimate preworkout mix and can feel your 1RMs boosting like hell
Did megatron actually forget he could fly?
Ayup. I was coming in to make just that comment.
That or he can't fly in robot mode
Adi Wadi yeah he can
Doris Alaby no I mean that because the beast mode was removed he can't fly for some reason
yup.
4:44 Megatron completely forgets he can fly.
r.i.p optimus primal
Dont worry. In the 3H comics, Optimus Primal comes back in Transformers: Universe. (Sorry for spoiling it.)
Transformers universe is not a true sequel to Beast Machines.
Cesar Kamel til all are one
Man, Beast Machines was dark! 😨
And a lot of maximal fails trying to save cybertron from megatron
Megatron went full on robo hitler yes??
Optimus Primal and Dinobot were my two favorites. First Dinobot and now Optimus Primal! I didn't want them both to die!
Optimus Girl The Dark Knight rhinox did too.
@@BasedVegeta why? dinobot would of been great in beast machines
There was a cancelled sequel. Before production stopped some sketches were made one of them depicted a transformer that looked like Dinobot.
@@StegodonGlad it was cancelled, this was a great ending to G1
I know beast machines gets criticism for it over arching plots and it's darker nature of it.
But when the second season of the show came out it actually got better though.
The battle between primal and megatron(well optimal megatron),was a great fight to the show itself.
Beast machines is considered to be the end of the g1 era in its entirety to.
I like this show I always have despite all the criticism it has always gotten.
Some fans like and some don't.
Will agree though on the toyline to the show wasn't exactly that great though.
Anyone else remember the quote, "Till All are One"?
Yeah the matrix wants to do the same thing megatron is doing, but just waiting a little longer.
The deaths of primal and Megatron reminds me of optimus prime's death in transformers prime and the death of black shadow and captain falcon in f zero gp legend
Could you imagine what would happen if Primal missed that shot leading to Megatron winning? Imagine in another universe where Megatron won and became the core conscience of Cybertron.
I think I know where Bioware got their inspiration for the Mass Effect 3 ending.
D..D..Did he just forget he could fly? I never really understood this version of megatron... in the beast wars, Megatron seemed to enjoy his beast mode.
Geminias he became crazy. War does things to people.
BWII Galvatron: So Tell Me Megatron I Will Finish What You Started?!
loved this series. fantastic
I like when Megatron says oh, what are you doing?
😂😂😂
Waspinator never gets what Waspinator wants.
Say what you want about _Beast Machines._ But this was the scene that really just told the audience that you have to let go of both Optimus and Megatron to truly see peace on Cybertron. They may not be the originals. But these two showed us that there could be an end to the fighting. An end to the struggle. An end to the war.
_Beast Machines_ had its issues. But it showed us a bright future. By letting go of the past, we see a brighter future. Yes, doing so hurts. Doing so may require us to do things that we don't like. We may even make mistakes along the way. But to keep the future bright, it's something we have to do.
megatron(the one that defeated deceptigod) vs spark absorbed Optimal Megatron
I only saw a few episodes of this show as a kid, but LOVED beast wars. I did a watch through recently of Beast Machines, and when this scene happened I literally screamed OH SHIT at my monitor in shock haha Beast Machines wasn’t perfect but had a lot of great moments.
It would've been cool if he changed colour upon absorbing all the Sparks.
What to? Not sure but it'd be those of a previous form. Original purple, Transmetal bronze, dragon red or Grand Mal blue.
Couldn’t he have just flown?
I think this is the only series to double K.O. Optimus and Megatron at the end? Massive balls for that.
Optimal Megatron and Optimal Optimus.
This show is simply the best
1:44
The best YES moment.
Megatron forgot he could fly for plot reasons.
I think it would be really cool if we have an Optimal Megatron figure, even if it is a 3rd Party.
4:45 AND GOES THE MEGATRON! He's help us now tumbling over and over and over
THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY SOME FANS GAVE UP ON CYBERTRONIANS. They're not worth THE FLESH they're PRINTED ON. All They Had To Do Was Hand Over The Keys, And They Could Have Been On With Their Trivial LIves.....
Bro,comics explained that Cybertron basically turned to its old look after cities developed. İts just without energon dependancy. And every cybertronian can choose a robot or beast form. Reformat basically fixed all the "bugs" in the system.
1:25 Damn he be acting like he ate laxatives!
I get the gist of it, but this series was really confusing and convoluted. The whole premise of technology vs organic would have made more sense in Beast Wars (but I'm glad they didn't use it there, Beast Wars was awesome, so that concept would drag it down). To top it off this show was just so horribly presented to it's audience, it felt like the cgi quality got worse since Beast Wars. I guess it doesn't help that character designs for the Maximals were awful and the environment of Cybertron just wasn't that interesting (prehistoric Earth wasn't interesting to look at either, but most of the budget went to making the characters look good and the superb writing).
BM had a lower production budget then BW, so that explains ot
Funny how Megatron could've won if he seperated the oracle from Optimus Primal and then kill him before drilling the hole Cybertron's core .
Then he can't be interrupted while using the Key of Vector Sigma to achieve his ultimate goal , but the dude miscalculated his plan and fucked up .
The Beast Era has ended...untill the Universe (2003) comics came out.
which was not really part of the beast era.
2:25 UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!
Tale as old as time.
Like the matrix of chaos
I like Optimal Megatron while Optimus Primal shoot Megatron's fingers Yeah I just don't like it when he shoots Megatron's fingers. 4:36
1:40 My face when finally sealed both GOD and DEVIL to the roots of corruption
so i can start merge heaven and hell to get the SEED OF CREATION
I actually wish Megatron had won this time around.
Then evil would've triumph.
“Oh wait… I can fly.”
"Oh yeah,ı am to heavy ro fly. Never mind".
Not going to lie....kinda was hoping Megatron would win this one
Megatron's 3rd Impact
They need to modify the CW Optimal Optimus to make an Optimal Megatron figure.
Pretty sure that body has a jetpack...
The only good thing about Beast Machines was the voice acting. I was truly let down by it.
It didnt help Hasbro not allowing the new writers to watch Beast Wars hampered it so much.
It could have been so much better than what this was. It just didn't work as well as it could.
And BE GONE! OPTIMAL MEGATRON!
Megatron is so iconic and underrated.
You mean Beast Wars Megatron?
Isn't it convienent that Megatron made a throne the size of a body he did not know that he was going to get later?
Optimus still wants his old hat back.
In the Matrix somewhere he probably got it back
No he doesn't
No he won't.
but the bonds between eternal enemies, Between You, AND I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4:54 - I like to imagine this is the point where Megatron remembers he can fly.
Nope, megatron is gone.
But optimus primal in transformers kingdom and his maximal family survived yeassssssssss
If I had to complain, Beast "Wars" was made annoying by Cheetor's NON-STOP yells and cries. In Beast "Machines", it was everyone making slow "shocked" face movements constantly as time fillers.
The great transformation awaits Megatron. Prepare to be reformatted!
This was the last straw to me.
1:24 Me after taking a sip from McDonalds Sprite
Death of optimus primal and megatron
Prepare to be........reformatted!
Good night, Optimus primal!
My guy got the Emperor Palpatine lightning
Great! Now it's over... now let's never speak of this... ever again!
UltimateOmegaRed i actually loved BW/BM.
Patato Fred Yeah, Beast Wars was great, but, for me... Beast Machines, for the most part, was hard to watch.
Evn waspinator wears thrust's head he's the last predacon standing
Beast wars Megatron: the one that actually did I it............
Yes!!
I like it when Megatron was the leader of the predacons
Too bad Dinobot didn’t get to see this
Pure fucking art
This part reminds me of how starscream grew on TRANSFOMERS CYBERTRON
And if I remember correctly, he challenged Primus to a duel. But I am curious as to who would win in a fight: Optimal Megatron (after absorbing all the sparks) or Cybertron Starscream.
You know if this descendant of Megatron succeeded he would turn Cybertron into a new unicorn with him as the brain and I don't care what people think about this series it's pretty cool having an interesting secret of Cybertron being organic before Primus merged with it or as in the original G1 series it's just a type of factory built by the quintessons which I'm certain it was used to be an organic Planet before something made the plant become a Barren Wasteland with fossilized animals hidden deep inside it
My Great Ascension is finally COMPLETE!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Optimal Optimus Vs Optimal Megatron.