to clear up a few things... I'm not suggesting that roshi was stronger than Raditz when goku fought him at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z. by the time dragon ball super rolls around, 20 years has past since raditz. goku has grown stronger and so to fight against freeza's army I'm suggesting that Roshi trained during those 20 years somewhat. not that he could defeat Raditz at the beginning of Z.
Totally Not Mark roshi at start of Z full power at.. 695 full power....using 139 as base i.did my own asseseement also roshi in super i have at. 739 base...1848 serios and 3,695 full powered so id say you're totally on point.
InsaneCandyCane thats why i said 'Z' not original dragon ball....i would say roshi at pervy base 56....serious 140. and full power 280. while he would have a slight advantage the form drains quickly and piccolo '260' would over come him. plus general fear of king pic power from the past.
@@xtensioncordtv1969 In the Anime lore it isn't. Manga is not Anime lore at all. In the Manga, though, yes, he did go Ultra Instinct. That's Manga Canon. Not Anime Canon.
Master Roshi's power seemed inconsistent. He destroyed an entire moon with a single Kamehameha: No one else in the original Dragon Ball displayed that level of destructive power. Yet he said he didn't stand a chance against King Piccolo, who at max power could only destroy Central City with an Explosive Demon Wave.
Well, keep in mind that was Roshi at full power. His peak, his max power form and his kamehameha, Roshi even made the comment that he had no energy left after the blast and was reduced to fists and feet. I think Roshi meant he could not beat King Piccolo, as it took some time to charge up his full power Kamehameha, which he would not get against the King. Now, you could argue that Goku could of distracted King Piccolo so Roshi could charge, but in the event that Roshi misses, what ever he hits is turned into a giant crater and Roshi will not have any energy left to fight. Roshi opted for the Evil Containment Wave, rather than his full power Kamehameha, probably because it was less destructive (so he wouldn’t possibly kill thousands and maybe even millions of people) and easier to sneak in (as a really buff Roshi with a blue ball of light in his hands would of let King Piccolo know what was going on). Of course, one can’t over look that Toriyama isn’t exactly the best when it comes to consistency or logic
Also, note that at the time, King Piccolo, while not showing feats of specific destructive power, had the strength to kill Shenron - quite possibly the strongest thing in the show up to that point - with a single Evil Cannon. And, there are other statements that support the fact that King Piccolo was only using that power as an act or a show of a small amount of his power, not actually trying to destroy anything (such as King Piccolo saying that he could wipe out one of the 43 sectors of Earth in the blink of an eye.)
Well you need to remember that earthling martial artists are capable of hiding their power levels so it's possible that roshi being 300+ years old would naturally be able to suppress his power level to a great degree.
@Luis Martinez Even goku stated in dbs that roshi has been secretly doing training, when the dudes from tenshihans dojo where attacking the village. Ik this is around the golden freeza arc but still, i cannot believe that roshi would be weaker than base form sayian saga goku vs vegeta. krillin got a lot stronger in dbs for no reason, so did roshi. They only left my man Tenshihan out
And let's not forget, that Roshi had tons of time to train when off screen. Like you said, he's a martial artist, ofcorse he's gonna train every now and then.
@@AdmiraHax Even then the power scaling was way more consistent then in Super, Roshi trained like 200 years but with regular humans 😂 He should be Saiyan saga level at most
As I have always said: The power levels the scouter displayed were only a number calculating the maximum physical prowress of a live being (That's why it displayed a greater power level for Piccolo and Goku when they took of their weighted clothes, they could move more freely). Skills and other variables are simply out of its scope. I think the only time we could see that clearly were when Goku was fighting Freezer and kind of giving him some trouble even with a power waaaaaay below his, basically due to his martial arts being better and him being able to sense energy, while Freezer depended on instinct and sight. I can't remember that fight clearly, though.
Mark, Please don't get discouraged when diving into this topic. This was very detailed and I enjoyed it and I also know there is going to probably be lots of people going against this, getting angry, saying you know nothing about the series, etc. It seems to happen a lot with this type of thing, bit just keep doing them and don't let anyone block your path on these.
This is my first video of yours I've seen, and I fell in love when you dropped the Roshi voice. Every bit of this is perfection. You've made a new fan.
I love this series. You've done an amazing job making this fun. Just wanted to add my thoughts that power levels aren't linear. Its likely you've also come across the atomic bomb theory. Where if you divide Vegeta's power level when he's capable of blowing up the earth by the level of an average human, it makes the average human capable of ridiculous city levelling force. Even at a power level of 5. However you've done a fantastic job and this is a great series for comparing their strength in imaginary battles :)
I love what's happening in the manga, not because it makes sense, because it doesn't make any damn sense at all, but rather because of the hysteria and meltdowns its causing. I think Toyotaro is just flipping the fan base the middle finger on purpose. It'd be even funnier though if this was a prank intended to rile people up and when its released there's no such thing that happens.
I'm actually fell asleep when watching this on 3am and woke up after you're saying "are you still there?", haha...seems like you know what's happening XD
Roshi Blew up the MOOOON in the first world tournament, Toriyama never cared about power levels or the implications of the 'feats' his characters perform, so neither should we. He just wanted to write a fun story, and everybody else took it so seriously
In my kind of eyes master roshi as the most power in the universe... even surpassing zen oh.... well the games where i can play as him... or you know fantasizing
Nonono. In Saiyan saga (Nappa and Vegeta), Nappa was quite surprised at Gohan reaching ~2800 when he was focusing for his ki blast. (and remember, Raditz at 1200 was COMPLETELY out of Roshi's league, even surpassing Goku and Piccolo (~450 each). Now, assuming Roshi didni't get all that much stronger between then and now (unlike other warriors, he didn't go to Kami's lookout to receive elite training), there is absolutely no way Roshi is at ~3800 (otherwise, he would have beaten Raditz the moment he arrived at Roshi's island). Which means, that average Freeza mooks are not ~1500. The two guys Krillin and Gohan took out during Namak must have been one of the stronger mooks (although not quite elite mooks like Dodoria).
@@Deathmare235 "Congratulations! Those Saibamen you destroyed were equivalent to three Raditzes!" "Yeah! Eat tha-" "Nappa here is worth _five_ Raditz." "...I... what...?" "And _I_ am worth *_fifteen_* Raditz." "...Aw crapbaskets..."
Not gonna lie I'm actually so frickn hyped to finally see Master Roshi fight seriously in a tournament setting again for the first time in forever. I've got a feeling this genius' fight is gonna be epic
Power level scaling have gone to hell first of. Secondly all characters could "train" in meantime meaning there is no way of knowing their power. Speculations became boring
First he is way stronger than that cause when he was fighting in the torment for the world he was knocking them out and one person he was battling said that his power level was more than in the 3 thousand and you never talked about that so I guess you did not talk about that though he had even was on the same level with goku when he was a adult
but, when gohan was fighting the mini cells, gohan was fighting like two and krillin was like fighting 6 and taking them out, why why kirllin so low ;[
Because krillin excells at skill. He's a martial artist who goes for mastery of his techniques. I guess that makes him a true master, instead of a powerbeast.
finally... one of the few Roshi power level that I agree upon... I would just to point out that he fought 4 Biomen at once with power level of 1000 each and he defeated them with single punch and kicks... and he manages to hold his own against the bio warriors... also Akira said that he is as strong as Krillin at the resurrection F... keep up the good work
Probably out of principle. Bukujustsu (dragonball flying) was a signature Crane Hermit technique. Roshi's probably not down to use it because it represents a philosophy of martial arts he despises so much. At the same time he doesn't want his students to be bound to him and all his philosophies, which is probably why he's fine with everyone else using it.
Not even taking into account the manga where the scaling really just goes nuts, Master Roshi was AMAZING in the tournament of power! At least for an old man with all the limitations he has. The guy got two team KOs, acting as the clean-up for Krillin to beat the bird and a set-up for Tien to take out the Preecho. And then he solo'd three of Quitela's guys all on his own, even taking out the buff thunderbird who was much stronger than himself. And the highlight of his performance has to be him fighting along Vegeta of all people to fight Magnetta and Frost. That was awesome. Vegeta fighting alongside Roshi is something I never knew I wanted but I loved it when it happened. It was awesome how Roshi was able to get one over on Frost with his tiny kamehameha ball and let Vegeta out to unleash his rage.
SaturnineXTS Well it's possible now that Krillin trained with Goku.... Just saying.... but logically, yes, current Tien obliterates Krillin by looking at him.
Yeah exactly, I wanted to comment that. Honestly if you ask me Tien is above (Namek) Frieza, and Krillin if under that. Seriously do people really forget about Tien vs freaking Cell?! Yeah that was not his physical power, it was powerful attack, but still, I don't see Krillin in this position. Also Tien is still training nonstop, maybe he could even be on Cell level to be honest.
Filip Jeglic Skrew that. Remember Yamcha's training in otherworld? He kicked two of the best guys' ass with ease at the same time.... Probably stronger than Frieza...
i think Roshi will surprise us in the Universe Survival Arc. Like, he's going to fight someone and they try to stop him, and he takes off his glasses, looks back and say "Ah you youngsters don't know.... i never stopped training", And then we find out that while everyone else started slacking off, he kept using everything he teaches to train to insane levels!
I don't think that full power estimate is accurate. If he had a power that high, he could've helped in the fight with raditz (which had a power level of around 1500).
Ciro Nascimento people train you know. it's been how long, around 20 years since then? I mean, look how much Goku and Tenshinhan free in 20 years. Tenshinhan is around base Goku, and That's a lot for a human.
CJGamingTV gg but there's no sign at all that master roshi continued training over the years. In fact, in the latest dragon ball super episodes, he stated that he doesnt train at all for a really long time. I'd say he's even weaker than what he was 20 years ago.
Ciro Nascimento no. 20 years ago he wouldn't be able to even land a hit on a lower level Frieza Force fighter in his max level (buff) form. now Roshi could easily kill a whole bunch of highly trained Frieza Force fighters. he had to have boosted at least a little bit. each Frieza Force fighter during RoF was about 10,000 and he was able to defeat a whole bunch of them. Roshi has at least hit first form Frieza level if not final form Frieza level. plus there are people, like Frieza, who don't need to train and just naturally grow stronger. but anyway, Master Roshi is way stronger than he was before.
Roshi's training was environmental he was living with 18 for at least some of the seven years after cell, his trying to perv on her and her completely justified attempt at murder him ended up making him stronger, the basically justification of why Tagoma was so strong but over a much longer time with much less results.
@ Totally not mark. I loved this video I thought it was very accurate and and its clear u did ur research and u brought a great enthusiastic personality :) cant wait to see the rest.
Rochi wasn't even able to go into battle to fight Radix, Napa, or Vegeta, he would've been squashed like a maggot.. He is not even supposed to reach near the power level of the Ginyu force ever as Rikum, Jeez, or butter, let alone captain Ginyu who held 120,000 as maximum....I am just thrilled at the huge hyping power level they are giving Rochi now as he showing in DDS, which would've been preposterous back in DBZ,
So you mean to tell me Roshi only reached around 200 (300 being VERY generous) in his 300 years of age, but then in the span of 10% of that time, after he had retired fighting, he got 15x stronger? Yeah I don't buy it. The writers just fucked up the power scale because they care about it way less than we do. Roshi should've been destroyed by a single Freeza soldier, with ease.
Sure, but we don't need to try and justify it. There's no acceptable explanation for his power up. He did power up, and it makes no sense, and yeah, let's just roll with it. I just wish Super stopped doing whatever it wants with no regards for consistency. But of course it won't.
Bruno Bessa Lol Super is not the only one with the consistency problems... But yeah the ones in super are more obvious because everyone's grown up now and can actually understand what's going on unlike watching dbz back in the day. Super consistency issues are decreasing, fortunately. I suggest you decide what's to be ignored and what not. For example, Master Roshi this strong is acceptable but Dbs Vegeta struggling in 150g while having mastered 450g before Android saga is just retardes. Or the statement that dbs base Goku can't beat dbz Frieza by Beerus. That shit is ridiculously wrong and previously disproven in the series itself, whereas Master Roshi thing isn't.
Yeah, that makes no sense. You're telling me Roshi at Max Power was more than 10x stronger than Piccolo? Why was he so worried, then? He could've also crushed Raditz easily. It just makes no sense, doesn't matter how you look at it. Because he retired after the 22nd tournament. He stopped training. So even if they say "he got stronger afterwards", it will be a very bullshit reason because it betrays his whole character arc in DB.
DB Franchise Power Scaling: Dragonball --- Pretty good, with a few exceptions. Dragonball Z --- Passable (once you get past the ridiculous rate of improvement) Dragonball Super --- Don't even bother, it's like they consciously decided to make as little sense as possible.
As stated MULTIPLE times: 1. Power levels are bullshit. 2. Toriyama forgets shit constantly (poor Launch) 3. Translations/dubs are sketchy (over 8000/9000). That being said, Roshi would be at the same power lvl he was at the start of DBZ, if not weaker. He hasn't trained in years nor has he been in a fight outside resurrection of F (which was horribly inconsistent) and the super remake of it (which was worse). End of story.
Yea, I stopped listening when he first mentioned Power Levels. If I was going to base stuff off of Toriyama interviews I would have to say Chichi is part saiyan because of the recessive gene for the saiyan tail she apparently has. Also Roshi has had a lot of off screen time so he could have trained, but that would only be an assumption. Using DBS to find the "power levels" is like using a compass surrounded by magnets to find the nearest bathroom.
Brandon Johnson Stated multiple times by people who don't write the manga* If Toriyama says power levels matter, then they matter. End of debate. He owns dragon ball, he chooses what happens.
If the author says something about his work, but the work does not show to behave the way he says, then you prefer to believe in the author or the work? What the author says about his work must always be taken as a secondary source, although quite reliable.
Hybrid vigor. The liger & mule are good examples of recessive gene expression in hybrids. If saiyans tails are recessive than humans could have a gene that pairs with it and allows it to express or even OVER express.
Wrong. Roshi is not even in a power level of 500. He is a human with human traning. He blew the moon because in that time power level didnt exist. We need to adfmit that the power level scale is a catastrophe.
Yeah i was going to comment but we all know this is the only way to justify his participation in the tournament of power. Maybe he went to that white chamber for training or even Kaio Sama. I dont know what excuse will they give to his power level increase.
The only thing I can think of is he must have been training after Bulma read his power level, Though I still think he was holding back then too cause he wasn't in his buff form. Maybe in his buff form then he was close to 500.
Karpov Liam no it doesn't Roshi blew up the moon before DBZ started and he had less than 200 when Raditz arrived. That means he blew up the moon with less than 200.
Its embaracing to see people actually try to make sense of Dragonball... Why cant we just all accept, that Dragonballs Power Levels are 100% random and make 0 sense. Its Fine, still a fun show for many fans, but dont try to hold it to One Piece Standarts...its rly just a pain to see.
Power levels only made sense during Saiyan/Frieza saga, until Frieza actually begins fight. After the battle against Frieza begins power levels become irrelevant (and no longer mentioned in the manga nor anime) So the fans still considering power levels of characters after that point is piffling
Nokty Toyirama never gave up on power levelz. he discontinued them because they gave away who would win before the fight and would hence spoil the show.
Lol, he said Golden Freiza's power level was one hundred quintillion. That's not a real number, at least that's not how you'd write that order of magnitude. He's fucking with his fan's and it's hilarious when we argue about them. Because someone, somewhere is trying to - internally - rationalize one-hundred quintillion, and they can't. Sure power levels are neato but still totally useless even when they can be applied more realistically case by case, like in the early parts of the Freiza saga. We are talking about trying to quantify, for no reason, the power levels of people who when they lose; become much stronger based on their racial traits. Every fight those numbers change, there is no actual reference point to even make a scale until the show ends and there are no more enemies kicking the shit out of saiyans giving them Zenkai's. EDIT: Spoil the fight? If you are watching DBS at this point and don't expect goku to win. I got some good news for you, he's gonna win. Even when he doesn't. Sensu-ex-machina.
Nokty First of all, Goku has lost several fights since Frieza saga. The 'spoil the fights' was started by the creator. Second, I don't think Akira Toyirama gave the power level for golden frieza. Some voice actor or movie producer guy said it. Plus that 100 quintillion was made as a *pun*, since no one actually cared about making power levels at that time. It was a pun, not a number to confuse you. He said Frieza is a nice guy, so his power level is naisu gai which is 100 quintillion. Plus that is an extremely low power level for dbs Frieza. It's far from accurate. Its probably ss3 Gotenks to Buuhan range on considering scaling. The power levels becoming higher after loosing is obvious. It happens in every anime/fiction series. It doesn't affect the efficiency of a fan calculated power level at all since you just have to find separate ones for each stage and then you're done. Free to use. Either way, no one even cares or talks about power levels after Frieza saga in regular scaling, so what are you trying to prove?
Nokty 100 quintillion is a real number. It's one followed by 20 zeroes. It's this order: million, billiob, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion, nonillion, decillion, undexillion, duodecillion, tridecillion,.... For instance, Dbs BoG base form Goku is far more than (in terms of strength not power level) a duodecillion times stronger than dbz ss3 Goku. In japanese it's naisu gai which is a pun on nice guy.
i love master Roshi. great job on this video. he deserve more consideration in DBS. i would like to see him as the last man standing in universal survival arc.
to clear up a few things...
I'm not suggesting that roshi was stronger than Raditz when goku fought him at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z. by the time dragon ball super rolls around, 20 years has past since raditz. goku has grown stronger and so to fight against freeza's army I'm suggesting that Roshi trained during those 20 years somewhat. not that he could defeat Raditz at the beginning of Z.
Why do people call Tien Tenshinan
SasukeOG Because that's his name.
Totally Not Mark
roshi at start of Z full power at.. 695 full power....using 139 as base
i.did my own asseseement also
roshi in super i have at. 739 base...1848 serios and 3,695 full powered so id say you're totally on point.
Zero Matrix If he was 695 why didn't he rip off piccolo's head in dragonball instead of using the mafuba
InsaneCandyCane thats why i said 'Z' not original dragon ball....i would say roshi at pervy base 56....serious 140. and full power 280. while he would have a slight advantage the form drains quickly and piccolo '260' would over come him. plus general fear of king pic power from the past.
Andd now he’s fighting Jiren
bullshit XDD how the fuck could he dodge jiren's attacks?!?
jiren must be using like 1% of his speed O_o
Well, as we've learned... Ultra Instinct.
That fight was non canon
@@xtensioncordtv1969 In the Anime lore it isn't. Manga is not Anime lore at all. In the Manga, though, yes, he did go Ultra Instinct. That's Manga Canon. Not Anime Canon.
@@vaelararagi496 ik I was just joking master roshi getting UI just sounds like a bad fanfic tho and sounds non canon.
1:40 that's Jackie Chun not Roshi. there is no way that they are the same person
Playrax is this suppose to be a joke or sarcasm? they are the same person lol
korosu26 no they arent. thats obviously jackie chun...
balotrixLP omfg... seriously? Did you really watch Dragon ball? 😱
Hahahahahaha.. To this day Goku still wonders whatever happened to his greatest opponent, The Legendary Jackie Chun.
korosu26 it amazes me everyday just how incredibly stupid some people are
You're forgetting his weakest form. His "there's a naked girl, I've got a nosebleed" form. Lol
King Po oh no he's on to me
@@twglenn9636 don't worry you trained for that with puar
don't forget he was still able to beat invisible man using that form
Roshi being weaker than his students is a sign he is a great teacher.
Team Four Star really nailed it when they said "Power levels are bull shit."
Master Roshi's power seemed inconsistent. He destroyed an entire moon with a single Kamehameha: No one else in the original Dragon Ball displayed that level of destructive power. Yet he said he didn't stand a chance against King Piccolo, who at max power could only destroy Central City with an Explosive Demon Wave.
Spoiler: Even more inconsistent he is now fighting toe to toe with JIREN...
This may surprise you, but Toriyama isn't a very good author.
jaredmowens
Nah, i know.
Well, keep in mind that was Roshi at full power. His peak, his max power form and his kamehameha, Roshi even made the comment that he had no energy left after the blast and was reduced to fists and feet. I think Roshi meant he could not beat King Piccolo, as it took some time to charge up his full power Kamehameha, which he would not get against the King. Now, you could argue that Goku could of distracted King Piccolo so Roshi could charge, but in the event that Roshi misses, what ever he hits is turned into a giant crater and Roshi will not have any energy left to fight.
Roshi opted for the Evil Containment Wave, rather than his full power Kamehameha, probably because it was less destructive (so he wouldn’t possibly kill thousands and maybe even millions of people) and easier to sneak in (as a really buff Roshi with a blue ball of light in his hands would of let King Piccolo know what was going on).
Of course, one can’t over look that Toriyama isn’t exactly the best when it comes to consistency or logic
Also, note that at the time, King Piccolo, while not showing feats of specific destructive power, had the strength to kill Shenron - quite possibly the strongest thing in the show up to that point - with a single Evil Cannon. And, there are other statements that support the fact that King Piccolo was only using that power as an act or a show of a small amount of his power, not actually trying to destroy anything (such as King Piccolo saying that he could wipe out one of the 43 sectors of Earth in the blink of an eye.)
Mark ep1: This sounds like fun!
Mark ep6: I want to die.
Well you need to remember that earthling martial artists are capable of hiding their power levels so it's possible that roshi being 300+ years old would naturally be able to suppress his power level to a great degree.
Question why would Roshi suppress his power in the Frieza arc if he was fighting for his life
@Luis Martinez Even goku stated in dbs that roshi has been secretly doing training, when the dudes from tenshihans dojo where attacking the village. Ik this is around the golden freeza arc but still, i cannot believe that roshi would be weaker than base form sayian saga goku vs vegeta. krillin got a lot stronger in dbs for no reason, so did roshi. They only left my man Tenshihan out
RIP my detailed response, lol.
mine too, damn these comment clarifications!
Rip x 2
And let's not forget, that Roshi had tons of time to train when off screen. Like you said, he's a martial artist, ofcorse he's gonna train every now and then.
The video got taken down... Lost all my views but not my smile ;)
.... :'(
But seriously... how strong do you guys think Roshi is?
roshi is a super sayan
1 centillion.
in the pervert power level
He is strongest than HIT 😂
I can always get behind some serious math, can't wait for more!
I think he's below Radditz or the Saiyajin arc wouldn't make much sense
power levels in DB are just 100% inconsistent...there is no point in making them up
They were consistent until the end of Namek Saga.
@@AdmiraHax Even then the power scaling was way more consistent then in Super, Roshi trained like 200 years but with regular humans 😂 He should be Saiyan saga level at most
This made me watch the original dragon ball again!
"Power levels are bullshit!"
-Vegeta
*Tien
Dragon Ball Super makes it pretty clear that power levels were a mistake, and yet here we are...
Don't matter if it's a reupload, still love Totally Not Mark!
Muten Roshi. doesn't get enough props in my opinion, so this video was very refreshing to watch. Please do more!
350 years old, he better has something in his backpack for the tournament of power after all these god damn years for a fkin HUMAN EARTHLING! xD
He did great
As I have always said: The power levels the scouter displayed were only a number calculating the maximum physical prowress of a live being (That's why it displayed a greater power level for Piccolo and Goku when they took of their weighted clothes, they could move more freely). Skills and other variables are simply out of its scope.
I think the only time we could see that clearly were when Goku was fighting Freezer and kind of giving him some trouble even with a power waaaaaay below his, basically due to his martial arts being better and him being able to sense energy, while Freezer depended on instinct and sight. I can't remember that fight clearly, though.
Roshi vs Jiren DBS manga. Finally we can close the casket on these stupid scouters and the demeaning nature of "powerlevels".
>Doesn't want fan theories
>Makes his own theory
>Superb logic
Well when you do research in science, you try to base your conclusions from trusted and reviewed facts, not just any article
GUYS IF YOU PAUSE AT 6:43 YOU CAN SEE NAPPA
TheActionGamer YT xD
Dang tfs nappa is cannon
where
SubscribePls bald dude near bottom center
So nobody gonna talk about how good the master ro
shi impression was
i like that they recently acknowledged this with "when did he get so strong?"
i feel that it's worth noting that the main characters suppress their ki when not fighting, making roshi's power level of 139 even more impressive.
"Distinguished, darn I was going for sexy."
Mark, Please don't get discouraged when diving into this topic. This was very detailed and I enjoyed it and I also know there is going to probably be lots of people going against this, getting angry, saying you know nothing about the series, etc. It seems to happen a lot with this type of thing, bit just keep doing them and don't let anyone block your path on these.
HyperKnuckles01 Wednesday ;)
I'm not getting angry, I'm just wondering how Genos (Duck dude from universe 4) has a pl less than 11k?
I'm still gonna watch it again, love your hard work mark, it's never unseen.
Idc how strong he is, he is my favorite character
Its over 9000!
I miss watching this kind of stuff because u explain it better keep up with the good work bro.
Who's here beacause the the last db chapter manga?
This is my first video of yours I've seen, and I fell in love when you dropped the Roshi voice. Every bit of this is perfection. You've made a new fan.
When you shamelessly try to get the video just over 10 mins.
Gutsy vid series talking about power levels when it’s such an easy way to get heckled. Good vid sir
need an update to this after what happened this episode 105
I love this series. You've done an amazing job making this fun.
Just wanted to add my thoughts that power levels aren't linear. Its likely you've also come across the atomic bomb theory.
Where if you divide Vegeta's power level when he's capable of blowing up the earth by the level of an average human, it makes the average human capable of ridiculous city levelling force. Even at a power level of 5.
However you've done a fantastic job and this is a great series for comparing their strength in imaginary battles :)
I love what's happening in the manga, not because it makes sense, because it doesn't make any damn sense at all, but rather because of the hysteria and meltdowns its causing. I think Toyotaro is just flipping the fan base the middle finger on purpose. It'd be even funnier though if this was a prank intended to rile people up and when its released there's no such thing that happens.
The Power lvl part of the series is so much fun and so inconsistent unfortunately . Great video man !
when you need your video to be 10mins long
He puts a lot of effort at least
I'm actually fell asleep when watching this on 3am and woke up after you're saying "are you still there?", haha...seems like you know what's happening XD
It should have been Yamcha instead of Roshi.
Ficoman 9 no
@@merqzzy r/whooosh
bruh did u see yamcha when they played baseball he would fie from a single energy blast and master roshi wasnt even afraid of frost when they fought
@@ivanhapukutenahu50 bruh yamcha could flick your ass into the death zone and i aint even joking.
He would of accidentally killed jiren that’s why he didn’t come
Roshi Blew up the MOOOON in the first world tournament, Toriyama never cared about power levels or the implications of the 'feats' his characters perform, so neither should we. He just wanted to write a fun story, and everybody else took it so seriously
In my kind of eyes master roshi as the most power in the universe... even surpassing zen oh.... well the games where i can play as him... or you know fantasizing
Never seen your channel before this video but I think you deserve a like.
Nonono. In Saiyan saga (Nappa and Vegeta), Nappa was quite surprised at Gohan reaching ~2800 when he was focusing for his ki blast. (and remember, Raditz at 1200 was COMPLETELY out of Roshi's league, even surpassing Goku and Piccolo (~450 each). Now, assuming Roshi didni't get all that much stronger between then and now (unlike other warriors, he didn't go to Kami's lookout to receive elite training), there is absolutely no way Roshi is at ~3800 (otherwise, he would have beaten Raditz the moment he arrived at Roshi's island).
Which means, that average Freeza mooks are not ~1500. The two guys Krillin and Gohan took out during Namak must have been one of the stronger mooks (although not quite elite mooks like Dodoria).
Michael Song men again, the 3000+ mark is on super
Please continue this series, loving it.
Sayian saga- 180
Namek saga- 340
Android saga- 789
Cell saga- 1,432
Buu saga- 5,000
Battle of the Gods- 10,000
Resurrection of F- 30,000
Black arc- 80,000
Universe survival arc- 530,000
how did he got so fucking strong?!?!
so he could slaughter saiyan saga Vegeta?!? XD i can't remember where, but somewhere I read he is at least at perfect cell level XDDDDDDDDD
UnstoppablePlayz.
So in universe survival he was equevilent to first form frieza
And he could be stronger if he was made younger by , dunno, Dragon Balls (like old King Piccolo).
Wow dude, you can tell you put a lot of work into this. It was super entertaining and I can't wait for the next one! :D
The awkward moment when you realize the average Frieza soldier is stronger than big bad King Piccolo.
Do you one better. Think of the saibamen...
@@nicholasfitzgerald585 funny how Raditz was nigh unstoppable then when the sayains show up he becomes a power measurement
@@Deathmare235 "Congratulations! Those Saibamen you destroyed were equivalent to three Raditzes!"
"Yeah! Eat tha-"
"Nappa here is worth _five_ Raditz."
"...I... what...?"
"And _I_ am worth *_fifteen_* Raditz."
"...Aw crapbaskets..."
@@CoralCopperHead I thought Saibamen were 3 radits
That's a pretty good impression of Master Roshi good job!
well in episode 89 we see he's stronger than tien and was also 'hiding his true strength' according to goku
I don't care about Power levels but this video was well made. Kudos!
Thats Me Baby!!!
Very well thought out and interesting. Looking forward to the next one man
ChrisRWS
Not well enough though... Ive already spotted 3 flaws while casually watching
Isn't the power level of 5 specifically a human WITH a gun? lol
The gun wouldn't have a power level as it doesn't use ki.
XXXtensioncord TV no no he meant the human alone NOT the gun
XXXtensioncord TV r/whoosh
This is pretty cool, I look forward to seeing the others.
I thought this was new....seen as Roshi dodged jirens attacks
Master Roshi is the most underrated character in DBZ.
He's much stronger than we believe he is. Remember when he sparred with Goku in that episode of Super? I mean... It really didn't make sense... lol.
Not gonna lie I'm actually so frickn hyped to finally see Master Roshi fight seriously in a tournament setting again for the first time in forever. I've got a feeling this genius' fight is gonna be epic
Power level scaling have gone to hell first of. Secondly all characters could "train" in meantime meaning there is no way of knowing their power. Speculations became boring
Please continue this series! i love it !
First he is way stronger than that cause when he was fighting in the torment for the world he was knocking them out and one person he was battling said that his power level was more than in the 3 thousand and you never talked about that so I guess you did not talk about that though he had even was on the same level with goku when he was a adult
Great video! looking forward to this series! I'm all subbed now too haha
but, when gohan was fighting the mini cells, gohan was fighting like two and krillin was like fighting 6 and taking them out, why why kirllin so low ;[
Because krillin excells at skill. He's a martial artist who goes for mastery of his techniques. I guess that makes him a true master, instead of a powerbeast.
@@metatron76 I mean, Destructo Disk is the most devastating move in the franchise -- _when it freaking works..._
I don't remember in which episode but they say master roshi train secretly
Master roshi is stronger than Tien
though
Make the next one the way you described it made the video really fun to listen to and how you told his feats really made him seem strong
Ever heard of Seththeprogrammer? you two could do a collab.
I believe by the time of Resurrection, Roshi was at least 5000.
Wrong Master Roshi never destroyed the moon everyone knows it was jackie chun
Same person lol just him in a wig
What do you mean same person?
@AleNoConstancy nope i thought he said jachie chun was his cow
finally... one of the few Roshi power level that I agree upon...
I would just to point out that he fought 4 Biomen at once with power level of 1000 each and he defeated them with single punch and kicks... and he manages to hold his own against the bio warriors...
also Akira said that he is as strong as Krillin at the resurrection F... keep up the good work
if roshi's power level is 3750 then why he can't fly. please explain !!!!!
AIM flight is a technique that's learnt. he simply didn't learn it.
when goten turned super sayain he can't fly
shell too heavy farts too weak no jet propelling kaiju gamara turtle spinny spinny funky flight for you bwahahahahahaha
Probably out of principle. Bukujustsu (dragonball flying) was a signature Crane Hermit technique. Roshi's probably not down to use it because it represents a philosophy of martial arts he despises so much. At the same time he doesn't want his students to be bound to him and all his philosophies, which is probably why he's fine with everyone else using it.
He did learn it, and he knows it. He used it in resurrection F. He just doesn’t use it, as he thinks its cheap.
Not even taking into account the manga where the scaling really just goes nuts, Master Roshi was AMAZING in the tournament of power! At least for an old man with all the limitations he has. The guy got two team KOs, acting as the clean-up for Krillin to beat the bird and a set-up for Tien to take out the Preecho.
And then he solo'd three of Quitela's guys all on his own, even taking out the buff thunderbird who was much stronger than himself.
And the highlight of his performance has to be him fighting along Vegeta of all people to fight Magnetta and Frost.
That was awesome. Vegeta fighting alongside Roshi is something I never knew I wanted but I loved it when it happened. It was awesome how Roshi was able to get one over on Frost with his tiny kamehameha ball and let Vegeta out to unleash his rage.
You really think Tien is weaker than Krillin even after all these years? Seriously? Come ooooon
SaturnineXTS
Well it's possible now that Krillin trained with Goku....
Just saying....
but logically, yes, current Tien obliterates Krillin by looking at him.
Yeah exactly, I wanted to comment that.
Honestly if you ask me Tien is above (Namek) Frieza, and Krillin if under that.
Seriously do people really forget about Tien vs freaking Cell?! Yeah that was not his physical power, it was powerful attack, but still, I don't see Krillin in this position. Also Tien is still training nonstop, maybe he could even be on Cell level to be honest.
Filip Jeglic
Skrew that. Remember Yamcha's training in otherworld? He kicked two of the best guys' ass with ease at the same time.... Probably stronger than Frieza...
Maybe, but he is way weaker now. Same with Krillin. Also that was filler. In "cannon" Tien did the most. And again he is always training.
Filip Jeglic
I know. I was just saying that if Yamcha was so strong then Tien should be a monstrosity.
Brilliant video, very well done.
7:30 Maybe Roshi's Kamehameha has a bigger multiplier since he's been mastering Ki longer than Goku has.
i think Roshi will surprise us in the Universe Survival Arc. Like, he's going to fight someone and they try to stop him, and he takes off his glasses, looks back and say "Ah you youngsters don't know.... i never stopped training", And then we find out that while everyone else started slacking off, he kept using everything he teaches to train to insane levels!
5 with shotgun
Ha! Have fun coming up with a reasonable and logical power level for Goku and Vegeta!
I don't think that full power estimate is accurate. If he had a power that high, he could've helped in the fight with raditz (which had a power level of around 1500).
Ciro Nascimento he and Krillin agreed to help fight though. They just got saved by piccolo.
Ciro Nascimento people train you know. it's been how long, around 20 years since then? I mean, look how much Goku and Tenshinhan free in 20 years. Tenshinhan is around base Goku, and That's a lot for a human.
CJGamingTV gg but there's no sign at all that master roshi continued training over the years. In fact, in the latest dragon ball super episodes, he stated that he doesnt train at all for a really long time. I'd say he's even weaker than what he was 20 years ago.
Ciro Nascimento no. 20 years ago he wouldn't be able to even land a hit on a lower level Frieza Force fighter in his max level (buff) form. now Roshi could easily kill a whole bunch of highly trained Frieza Force fighters. he had to have boosted at least a little bit. each Frieza Force fighter during RoF was about 10,000 and he was able to defeat a whole bunch of them. Roshi has at least hit first form Frieza level if not final form Frieza level. plus there are people, like Frieza, who don't need to train and just naturally grow stronger.
but anyway, Master Roshi is way stronger than he was before.
Roshi's training was environmental he was living with 18 for at least some of the seven years after cell, his trying to perv on her and her completely justified attempt at murder him ended up making him stronger, the basically justification of why Tagoma was so strong but over a much longer time with much less results.
@ Totally not mark. I loved this video I thought it was very accurate and and its clear u did ur research and u brought a great enthusiastic personality :) cant wait to see the rest.
Rochi wasn't even able to go into battle to fight Radix, Napa, or Vegeta, he would've been squashed like a maggot.. He is not even supposed to reach near the power level of the Ginyu force ever as Rikum, Jeez, or butter, let alone captain Ginyu who held 120,000 as maximum....I am just thrilled at the huge hyping power level they are giving Rochi now as he showing in DDS, which would've been preposterous back in DBZ,
Now you either fucked up those named really hard or you watched some poorly made dub that changed the names of most characters.
This was great! I love this!
So you mean to tell me Roshi only reached around 200 (300 being VERY generous) in his 300 years of age, but then in the span of 10% of that time, after he had retired fighting, he got 15x stronger?
Yeah I don't buy it. The writers just fucked up the power scale because they care about it way less than we do. Roshi should've been destroyed by a single Freeza soldier, with ease.
Bruno Bessa
Yeah but there's nothing we can do about that just accept it...
Sure, but we don't need to try and justify it. There's no acceptable explanation for his power up. He did power up, and it makes no sense, and yeah, let's just roll with it.
I just wish Super stopped doing whatever it wants with no regards for consistency. But of course it won't.
Bruno Bessa
Lol Super is not the only one with the consistency problems...
But yeah the ones in super are more obvious because everyone's grown up now and can actually understand what's going on unlike watching dbz back in the day.
Super consistency issues are decreasing, fortunately.
I suggest you decide what's to be ignored and what not.
For example, Master Roshi this strong is acceptable but Dbs Vegeta struggling in 150g while having mastered 450g before Android saga is just retardes.
Or the statement that dbs base Goku can't beat dbz Frieza by Beerus. That shit is ridiculously wrong and previously disproven in the series itself, whereas Master Roshi thing isn't.
Yeah, that makes no sense. You're telling me Roshi at Max Power was more than 10x stronger than Piccolo? Why was he so worried, then? He could've also crushed Raditz easily.
It just makes no sense, doesn't matter how you look at it. Because he retired after the 22nd tournament. He stopped training. So even if they say "he got stronger afterwards", it will be a very bullshit reason because it betrays his whole character arc in DB.
DB Franchise Power Scaling:
Dragonball --- Pretty good, with a few exceptions.
Dragonball Z --- Passable (once you get past the ridiculous rate of improvement)
Dragonball Super --- Don't even bother, it's like they consciously decided to make as little sense as possible.
that's a pretty good impression of Master Roshi good job
As stated MULTIPLE times: 1. Power levels are bullshit. 2. Toriyama forgets shit constantly (poor Launch) 3. Translations/dubs are sketchy (over 8000/9000). That being said, Roshi would be at the same power lvl he was at the start of DBZ, if not weaker. He hasn't trained in years nor has he been in a fight outside resurrection of F (which was horribly inconsistent) and the super remake of it (which was worse). End of story.
Yea, I stopped listening when he first mentioned Power Levels. If I was going to base stuff off of Toriyama interviews I would have to say Chichi is part saiyan because of the recessive gene for the saiyan tail she apparently has. Also Roshi has had a lot of off screen time so he could have trained, but that would only be an assumption. Using DBS to find the "power levels" is like using a compass surrounded by magnets to find the nearest bathroom.
Brandon Johnson
Stated multiple times by people who don't write the manga*
If Toriyama says power levels matter, then they matter. End of debate. He owns dragon ball, he chooses what happens.
If the author says something about his work, but the work does not show to behave the way he says, then you prefer to believe in the author or the work? What the author says about his work must always be taken as a secondary source, although quite reliable.
yea that's basically the point I was hitting at when i mentioned the recessive genes for saiyan tails.
Hybrid vigor. The liger & mule are good examples of recessive gene expression in hybrids. If saiyans tails are recessive than humans could have a gene that pairs with it and allows it to express or even OVER express.
I just hope he wins his match
Great vid as always
Wrong. Roshi is not even in a power level of 500. He is a human with human traning. He blew the moon because in that time power level didnt exist. We need to adfmit that the power level scale is a catastrophe.
Now Roshi one shot Tien in the latest episode of Super so his power level is far that of 500.
Yeah i was going to comment but we all know this is the only way to justify his participation in the tournament of power. Maybe he went to that white chamber for training or even Kaio Sama. I dont know what excuse will they give to his power level increase.
The only thing I can think of is he must have been training after Bulma read his power level, Though I still think he was holding back then too cause he wasn't in his buff form. Maybe in his buff form then he was close to 500.
Karpov Liam
no it doesn't
Roshi blew up the moon before DBZ started and he had less than 200 when Raditz arrived. That means he blew up the moon with less than 200.
Roshi was 220 max power
Wait, 3000+ only? No way.
How's has your day been Mark-- I mean-- totally not mar
Like Seth the programmer only without the obnoxious laughter that makes me want to rip my hair out. So instantly better. #followed
Its embaracing to see people actually try to make sense of Dragonball...
Why cant we just all accept, that Dragonballs Power Levels are 100% random and make 0 sense. Its Fine, still a fun show for many fans, but dont try to hold it to One Piece Standarts...its rly just a pain to see.
Power levels only made sense during Saiyan/Frieza saga, until Frieza actually begins fight. After the battle against Frieza begins power levels become irrelevant (and no longer mentioned in the manga nor anime)
So the fans still considering power levels of characters after that point is piffling
this is actually good 0_0
roshi >> Tien now tho
Worst power scale of the anime of all time
150
nah roshi is stronger than 18,tien,piccolo and krillin at the time of ToP
nice
can't wait for the next video keep it up
Even Toriyama gave up on power levels... This is how you make bank from dumb nerds everyone....
Nokty
Toyirama never gave up on power levelz.
he discontinued them because they gave away who would win before the fight and would hence spoil the show.
Lol, he said Golden Freiza's power level was one hundred quintillion. That's not a real number, at least that's not how you'd write that order of magnitude. He's fucking with his fan's and it's hilarious when we argue about them. Because someone, somewhere is trying to - internally - rationalize one-hundred quintillion, and they can't. Sure power levels are neato but still totally useless even when they can be applied more realistically case by case, like in the early parts of the Freiza saga. We are talking about trying to quantify, for no reason, the power levels of people who when they lose; become much stronger based on their racial traits. Every fight those numbers change, there is no actual reference point to even make a scale until the show ends and there are no more enemies kicking the shit out of saiyans giving them Zenkai's. EDIT: Spoil the fight? If you are watching DBS at this point and don't expect goku to win. I got some good news for you, he's gonna win. Even when he doesn't. Sensu-ex-machina.
Nokty
First of all, Goku has lost several fights since Frieza saga.
The 'spoil the fights' was started by the creator.
Second, I don't think Akira Toyirama gave the power level for golden frieza. Some voice actor or movie producer guy said it.
Plus that 100 quintillion was made as a *pun*, since no one actually cared about making power levels at that time. It was a pun, not a number to confuse you.
He said Frieza is a nice guy, so his power level is naisu gai which is 100 quintillion.
Plus that is an extremely low power level for dbs Frieza. It's far from accurate. Its probably ss3 Gotenks to Buuhan range on considering scaling.
The power levels becoming higher after loosing is obvious. It happens in every anime/fiction series. It doesn't affect the efficiency of a fan calculated power level at all since you just have to find separate ones for each stage and then you're done. Free to use.
Either way, no one even cares or talks about power levels after Frieza saga in regular scaling, so what are you trying to prove?
Nokty
100 quintillion is a real number.
It's one followed by 20 zeroes.
It's this order: million, billiob, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion, nonillion, decillion, undexillion, duodecillion, tridecillion,....
For instance, Dbs BoG base form Goku is far more than (in terms of strength not power level) a duodecillion times stronger than dbz ss3 Goku.
In japanese it's naisu gai which is a pun on nice guy.
he gave up because it was too hard and stressful for him every week. But power levels was one of best ideas ever
i love master Roshi. great job on this video. he deserve more consideration in DBS. i would like to see him as the last man standing in universal survival arc.
Tien is stronger than Krillin.
nope
XPopCornX yh maybe
NO
Nah
He is
Love this stuff! Keep it up!