Mullet Bikes Are Unreasonably Effective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ค. 2024
- This is my first experience riding the mullet setup on my enduro mtb bike. 29" on the front. 27.5" on the back. This is what i discovered...
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I ride a KTM dirt bike and motos have been mixing up the wheels for years. I’ve got 18” in the rear and 21” on the front. Great for wheelies, rolling big obstacles, sliding through corners, and flipping it around in the air. Hoping to get a mullet MTB soon!
Yes! That’s what I was thinking!
I’ve got a ‘18 Siskiu N 29r, it came with fairly conservative geo. Chucked on a 27.5, according to an online geo calculator I slackened it by quite a bit and SLAMMED the bb by 14mm. I tried an offset shock bush but my frame didn’t allow it. So I fitted bigger tyres & shorter cranks, now I love it. Now I’ve overcome the pedal strikes It’s so much more flickable in corners & air. It’s so much more fun, less point and squirt. But I can still plough with the big front.
I will say, it’s more effort going up. But I have fitted short cranks and a pair of DD max grip shortys so she’s no xc bike.
Thanks for the video. I'm definitely going to get a mullet set up. I have a trail bike 140/150 on 27.5. For me, it's too twitchy. I don't want a full 29er, but this video made more sense than any I've been looking for. I changed up the way I typed my search. Every time I search for "best mullet bike in 2022", it kept showing stuff that I've already seen and was from the big channel reviews. This time I typed," carbon mullet review", and it showed your video. Weird but still, good video.
-From Austin Texas, USA 🇺🇸
Edit: April 2023 I just bought a Specialized Stumpjumper Evo Pro which comes stock in mullet, with the ability to go full 29er. Cascade makes a link, and Williams Racing makes a yoke for the mullet. I went with Stumpjumper Evo because of its insane adjustability. I pick it up this Friday!
How is it?
Your bike looks amazing especially that green coil 🔥👌
if you adjust with flip chips and switch to high position the reach actually increases not decreases. Very informative vid man! this vid has made me really think about mullet setup. Im 6ft riding a Lg Hightower V2. Cascade components makes a mullet link for my bike so may look into this
Ah my bad! Totally got that wrong re reach! Well worth trying a mullet setup though - it’s insanely good
Just got my mullet set up today and must say it's worth it, especially, if you like to spend time in the air at the park. Also, cornering is a breeze. Whipping left to right is just natural feeling now and doesn't require a lot of thought/technique.
I had a 26/24 big hit years ago and loved it.
Now getting back into more trail riding and will probably go 29/27. 5
I have just transitioned from a 26" Scott Spark dual XC (2010) to a Polygon Siskiu T8 29" and..... I'm going to have to disagree with you on the 29er being better uphill. Mine is horrendous! Gearing wise it only makes sense that a smaller wheel is going to have better drive when pedalling, because you are putting less effort into rotation, so uphill is always going to be better on the smaller wheel bike (Drive wise). We have a very techy uphill section on a local track and everyone I met out there last time we rode it that had 29ers were cursing it. It was also the first time i have not made it to the top without stopping.
In saying that, I do love the videos you are making. Keep up the great work.
Reminds me of my Balfa 2 step fr i had, 26 in the front, 24 in the back. Was great for jumps and rough trails! Changed the front forks for Marzocchi Bomber style forks, stiffer shock spring in the back...Was a frankenbike lol 😉
Specialized big hit for me only upgraded the forks - went monster T's to 888's because I couldn't find a set of shivers. 50 pound monster of a bike that you could not break no matter how hard you tried.
This is the most sensible mullet-review on here!
I mulleted my 2018 Whyte .. no flip chip. All I did was drop the travel on the fork down 10mm and it feels so balanced.. best thing I ever did
Same, just with a 2015 nomad
Hey, great vid, very interesting.. I’ve a carbon sommet, 29. Are you still running the 275 rear wheel in yours ? I’ve sent that the 6mm drop with the flip chip ain’t enough to make it work “properly” .. would love to know how your getting on
seen back to back race laps and more on this topic conclution...it's your style of riding that wil determent what "feels" good...if its mullet, yeah go for it.
True
Really like your videos and I'm not disagreeing with how you think the bike now handles etc but the flip chip on the Vitus and on almost all bike is NOT designed to run it in mullet setup. Vitus claim approx 6mm BB height change with their flip chip which makes a big difference if for example you ride rocky trails etc. the difference in radius between a 29er tyre and 27.5 is approx 20mm. This is going to drop the BB a lot more than the 6mm a flip chip can adjust. That then lowers your BB an it will shorten the reach so you are correct to say that's shorter. Bikes that genuinely are designed to run either wheel size normally have a different rocker or shock linkage to achieve it.
I imagine a big part of why the bike doesn't climb as well is because you will have slackened both the head tube and seat tube angle in putting the smaller rear wheel in even with the flip chip.
Obviously it works doing what you have done but that isn't what the geo adjust chips are designed for and it definitely adjust the geo more than the flip chip will compensate. All that said if you prefer the bike overall happy days!
I just got my first mullet after thinking for years it was a dumb fad. It really made my bike more nimble. I also have a 29" Nukeproof Mega 290 and it feels huge. My new Kona Process X with mullet is so much more snappy and manageable.
Thank you
If you are focused on descending, not climbing, then turning a 27.5 bike into a mullet might actually improve the geometry, not ruin it. Especially if you are a short rider and have a bike with a bit longer reach. I did this to my 2018 YT Capra 27 and I am loving it.
The HA becomes slacker (many bikes are not slack enough anyway), the BB is raised a bit (I hate the super low BB trend on long travel enduro bikes anyway), reach becomes shorter (hence the longer reach to start with) and the ST becomes slacker...but, as I said, not focused on climbing :)
It's nice to know somebody has the done the mullet on a YT Capra 27. What travel size fork??
Love the coil and the frame colour . Where did you get this frame colour from?
Just turned my Scott ransom into mullet and it’s just so much more fun to ride also much easier to corner
Hi Alex, interesting vid and something ive been thinking about as i need a new rear wheel. I get that the reach can shorten but, and i might be missing something, i don't see how changing the wheel size (without a rear axle flip chip) can change the wheelbase of the bike. Aren't the axles still in the same place? do the geometry changes pull the rear axle inwards? Cheers.
Just that what was a horizontal line between the axles is now a sloping of the same length. The wheel base is measured horizontally though. So yes, the rear wheel has swung slightly forward as it's dropped down since it has rotated around the front axle.
Just bought a YT Capra MX and took it out today at the local bike park. I will never. go. back. Mullet is so. much. moar. fun.
Damn, I've been thinking about this for a while and wondering if I should go for it (I've got the same bike as you). I'd put it off, but I may have to start saving for a 27.5 Horizon rear wheel after all...
Well worth trying out - as it could really be a better fit than 29er for you. May not, but you'll never know until you try
Great test man. So currently I have 26" wheels on my bike. Maybe in the future I will buy new one and note your recomments.
Best Regards
Dirk
Thanks DirK!
26" for life! Also there is no trail out there that warrents the need for big wheels. People are building trails to be roller coasters these days so might as well enjoy the infinite flickablitiy of 26". 29" do go faster (that is just basic physics) but out of the 20+ years of riding I have never stopped and felt like I needed to go bigger. The bike industry is all about creating trends, standards and marketing then changing it all up the next year to sell more crap. Ride what you find works best for you!
My freind did this on his old bike he has bought a santa cruz bronson now and it's even better I think it's because santa cruz built that bike to be a mullet bike only I've had a go feels great peddles uphill really good I think so I'm getting the bronson aswell if you can test ride one have a go great bike
Awesome! Let me know what you think of it once you've ridden it!
I so want this bike. If only i could get one 😢
In 1988 I was racing a Raleigh with different size wheels...
I was looking at getting a mullet Commencal meta HT online in a Large frame but noticed they don’t do mullets for the larger frames. Trying to get my head around it. If anyone can help?
Cool Bike 🥺🥺
Dis you run the same width tyres on both wheels sizes? The same tyre model?
I’m probably a classic example of someone that could benefit.
I’m a short legged long torso rider , who is probably riding up a size compared to a lot of people my height ,
To make the bike more agile sounds good in theory .
Give it a go!
You don't need a new frame. You can get around geo differences with offset shock bushings and angle set headsets. Go the mullet, got a Cotic Rocket mullet and a Kenevo SL mullet.
True, I point I should really have addressed in this one
Actually, you can't get around the chainstay length, bb height, headtube length or optimizing the head angle. I've got the Mullet Peacemaker and it smashes every copycat out there 🤙
@@johnnyweekend actually on the Kenevo SL you can change chainstay lenght+height and the bb height also changes. And the built in angleset lets you change the headtube angle.
@roddas26 Chainstay length cannot be changed. Unless you're removing or adding material. I'm not sure what you mean by changing the chainstay "height". Anglesets alter a headangle only a degree which is far of being optimized. Also, it does not change the headtube length.
@@johnnyweekend clearly you dont know what you are talking about. Take care
So. Ive been thinking about doing a mullet but something incant find anyone doing. 26 up front 24 in the rear because free ride downhill rides but. Im already running a suuuper slack 59.7 degree head angle and that is just gonna drop me down even slacker. Now yeah i ride really steep stuff thats why i went so slack in the first place. But i still want to scandi flick without brakes and cutty easier but with brand new tires so ill still have that cornering grip. I just down really know how ill get around making that head angle TOO slack into break risk area. I could drop my crowns as needed but then im loosing travel and ive already bottomed out at full travel so its honestly not even an option. Any press in headsets to make it steeper when the 24 is installed? Or am i at a stand still?
I’m on a 2020 Pivot Firebird. Has a flip chip. I’m about to convert to mullet. I didn’t hear you mention shortening the fork travel. I’ve heard some guys go down 10mm on their fork. The Firebird is 162 rear 170 front. Thoughts?
I have mullited my Firebird and it's now not so good on the climbs. So as soon as I can find a strong 32 + spoke rear it will be going back to 29 on the back.
Dude cool video
Glad you enjoyed it, Thanks!
Hola amigi. A mi el mullet me va genial en mi kenevo!! Saludos
¡Qué bueno escuchar a mi amigo!
Pretty much to sum up why the top downhill riders are running mullets because it’s more of a dirtbike at this speed than anything and the main reason why all of the others aside a bigger front wheel is ran on a motorcycle is because it keeps the bike way more stable in every single condition, Just my two cents every other factor Definitely a big part I just feel like nobody is touching down on this
True!
Is the mullet still good for climbing
same situation with a 27.5 front and 26 rear? I have a 2010 faith 0. Planning to put 27.5 wheels on my 888 rc3 evo v2 ti as they can take them.
Not sure - I've never tried it. No harm in testing ;)
@@wolfpack_adventures Done already. Now i have a magic mary 2.6 on my 888. 😄
I'm average height and I find 29ers too gangly. Mullets are the best of both worlds. I'm surprised I don't see more on the trails considering how many pros ride them.
Hi. What size is your bike and how tall are you? I'm 6ft so thinking large? Kind regards
Hey David, I'm 6'1 and I ride a large.
Amanda is 5'11 and she runs a medium.
I would like to know when this Vitus Bike will be available again....It's out of stock in everywhere. 😞
Keep an eye on their website - it has an stock update tab that is regularly updated
It went together easily in less than an hour. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
That's a 79er, we called the bighit 46ers or frankenbikes. Mullet is actually a bike company that has been around for 7 years now, funny how everyone stole their name. Also, the chip doesn't optimize bb height or the headangle. It also doesn't change chainstay or headtube length 👍
what length of stem do you use ? and may you have tell us how you roll your bar in next video and why pls ?
50mm stem.
Bars are fairly up right, I’m not a huge fan of bars that have a lot of back roll on them
50mm stem.
Bars are fairly up right, I’m not a huge fan of bars that have a lot of back roll on them
@@wolfpack_adventures thx for your reply. So by saying your bar is fairly upright, you mean the bar is rolled quite forwarded ?
I hope it's not a fad: friend of mine got one recently and we both think it's amazing, like best of both world. Got me thinking though: would a mullet configuration find any use outside MTB? Say XC, DJ or BMX even? That would be fun to experiment with 😂
Just ride what works for you and stop caring about the nonsense the bike industry spews. They will just change it in a year anyway so if what you are riding a mullet and you like it - continue riding it.
Yes.
Motorcycles.
Brandon semenuk win the red bull rampage with 26-27.5 mullet setup
Hello, I’m coming off of a vitus mythique in size medium and the bike is feeling a bit small. I’m 17 and 5’11 and Im looking to get a Sommet 27 crx , but I’m really not sure if I should get a medium or a large. I thought since you ride the bike and really know it you’d maybe have some advice. I don’t want a bike that’s too long but also not too short, ha ha. I ride stuff like glentress or Innerleithen mostly
Hey, sounds like you could be in between sizes.
Amanda rides a medium and she is 5’9
I’m 6’1 and run a large.
But I’ve ridden Amanda’s medium before and it still feels a fairly good size for me / side it feels smaller, but I can still manoeuvre the bike around etc.
We both have 29er bikes - so the 27 crx could be slightly different
Thanks, that’s helpful 😁 Do you think if I grow a bit more (6ft maybe?) a medium would still fit me alright? You said it’s alright for you, you don’t find the reach too short?
At 5' 11" and growing, I'd say you should be on a large. I'm 5' 10" and ride a large sommet CRX.
@@mulv1976 oh thanks for the help, that’s great! You don’t find it too big for you?
@@sdn147 Compared to my old YT Capra it felt big at first, but that was mainly because I was going from 27.5 to 29. The Capra was a large too, but still a fairly short reach of around 450mm. The Sommet feels amazing now I've got used to it, absolutely flies. I did put a slightly shorter stem on (35mm vs 45mm) to shorten the reach slightly but I love it.
Would simply adding a 29” fork/wheel to an existing 27.5 bike work? I realize the geometry would be slightly changed…
Hmm, interesting - sure people have tried this. I have not
my girlfriend has just done it to her merida 160 enduro bike. she originally had a 180mm lyrik on the bike with 27.5 wheels but i bought a new fork for my full 29er stumpy evo so she gave the 29er fork and my front wheel ago and loved it! we reduced the travel on the front to 170mm and it didnt change the geometry of the bike much at all if anything made it very slightly slacker
A 29" wheel and fork will typically add 19+10=29mm to the front end if you don't reduce travel. To remain close to the same geo, you'd have to reduce travel by 30mm and that's out of the realm of most setups. (who wants a 130mm front / 160mm rear bike?) Some frames (like Guerilla Gravity's) use a tall or short headtube spacer to enable swapping between front wheel sizes. Folks who experiment will often drop travel 10mm and live with the extra-slack front end, at a penalty of slacker seat angle and loss of some reach.
The short story is: do a little research and math before making the plunge.
Which position did you put the chip in
High position
Ermmm, when you say it's quite a recent trend, did you forget about penny farthings? 🤔
😂 true that’s one I really did miss out!
I Had a short arm mullet works great on me 😅😂
Can you mullet the esommet also ?
It comes mullet as standard
Ok cool thanks
Possible to adjust the geo chip to fit 29r front and rear also ?
I feel like I’m the only one who’s buzzed their ass on a 26in wheel
2002 rm7, I had 24 rear 26 front, never run a 29 rear, takes the skills away.
Takes the skills away?
Yes, ride a Bmx on a Mtb trail and you’ll see what I mean lol
Hard tails are skills honing machines, just as smaller wheels are and the more challenging the bike, the greater skills developed in my professional opinion as a very experienced Mtb Bmx coach and motorsport instructor
@@markjames6129 I agree with you - I still ride 26" because there was literally no point in sizing up wheel sizes. 26" worked on gnarlier trails for most of mountain biking history and people are building all trails so well these days they are basically roller coasters which the only benefit of 29" would be rolling speed. Most people in these hobbies love to worry about everything and anything but often don't have the skills or ride hard enough to benefit or even feel the changes. (suspension non-withstanding because if you set that up wrong it can suck).
Main question: Is mullet more fun?
I used to race Motocross as a kid but switched to mountain bikes when I was a young adult to save money for my future... I was a heavyweight on the wrestling team at just under 6 foot so I was Better Built for Judo and MMA than mountain biking but I stuck with it anyway... it's pretty obvious that the whole "mullet bike phenomena" is just classic Motocross geometry and it's freaking brilliant
The first time I threw my leg over a "proper mountain bike" I was disgusted because it felt more like Grandma's 10-speed then a badass BMX or Motocross vehicle
I stuck to it and rode my muddy Fox for a few years with a couple old Motocross Buddies and a nationally rated female Rider
It was okay but I always thought how awesome it would be for a mountain bike to have Motocross geometry and after doing a little Recon I found the specialized big hit with a 24 inch rear wheel🖒👈
This bike Corners like a ninja has an effortless Manuel and you sit so deep in the saddle it's practically impossible to get thrown over your bars...
I can't believe this genius geometry was abandoned!!
I bet one day we see the 24-inch wheel make a reappearance in top-level competition
I'm pretty sure we won't mate.
@@mattredgate8015 o yeah, thats what they said about a 4 stroke winning the motocross crown in 2 stroke class👈
@@guerrilla1044 to be fair the 4-stroke only won because they kept upping the limit of the CC’s the 4 strokes could have. They killed the two stroke on purpose.
@@voltage80x yeah good point... was it a 450 and a 250 class?
@@guerrilla1044 yessir, they doubled the engine size versus the two stroke. In my belief they killed the two stroke in order to push the 4 stroke on the consumers, that way they would end up with more profit from the bikes overall.
Imagine 29 front 26 rear
It’s for shorter riders like me
It's just a fashion. A way to get people to consume more - tell them that the bike they bought last year, for £3000 is 'out of date' - and that they need to buy more 'stuff'. Same with bar width, hub and BB 'standards', wheel sizes, etc. Just keep moving the goal posts, so people keep replacing stuff before it wears out.
Large wheels are faster in a straight line; small wheels turn better in tight situations - you can't have the advantages without the disadvantages. The logical solution is to find the best compromise size, and stick it at both ends of the bike. Anything else is just placebo effect.
some food for thought is the enduro racers aren't mulleting their bikes....
Well. If a 29er rear wheel, feels like "steering a barge," in tight single-track...maybe ya just don't have the confidence/fortitude to ride on single-track.
im full on american mullet. 29 in the front 20 in the rear.