@@MrCovert23 yeah I disagree, people are to moved by TH-cam’s, just like old people watching the news 📰. The world ending news always gets the attention
The real issue with the Toyota products is the price. Toyota priced their customers out of the market. It is a stretch to even purchase a vehicle and then throw in the inconvenience of reliability issues and it makes the decision to buy a Toyota a no go.
The 2025 Nissan Frontier and PRO4X have a mild face and rear gate lift, some interior changes. Still has the 3.8 9 speed, and price point is on par for a loaded Pro4x... 50k out the door and that is leather.
Its not an excuse but all new truck/car peices are insane. Only millionaires can actually afford them without going into extreme debt to income ratios.
Thankfully it looks like the reliability issues in their modern lineup are isolated to their truck line which coincidentally is also overpriced. It's making their previous generation of trucks on the used car market look like a really good buy right now.
Plastic skid plates, 7/8 spare tire, shock mounted bump stops, transmission overheating issues.. how is Toyota allowed to slap an ‘Off Road’ sticker on this thing?! Does this even have tow hooks?
I was honestly thinking of getting the TRD offroad with the 6ft bed. But after all the issues and the fact that the frontier pro4x is getting a 6ft bed next year. I think I will wait for that. Also I did some research the frontier and titan are built on the same frame. You can put titan suspension on the frontier you get a long travel suspension and wider track. Also you can swap the titan v8 in to the frontier. That honestly has me very interested even if i never do the swap. If Nissan sold the frontier with Titan v8 and suspension it would blow out all the other specialty trucks out of the water.
The fact that Toyota is already discounting a new release tells me either the economy is slowing down, prices are a bit high due to inflation or both like u mentioned. Having said that I like the specs on this one and would consider it or the Ford Ranger XLT with the 2.7, which is priced comparably.
I drove a tacoma since 2000 3 different ones I wanted to upgrade my 2020 trd 4x4 to same truck they want 48k no power seat and small infotainment screen I passed the upgrade was 8k more bought the gmc canyon at4
Toyota is out of their mind. A base model off road for 46k. That truck is 35k max. Over the last few years toyota has gotten so greedy. I got a fully loaded 2017 tacoma for 36,200 out the door. Toyota'a greed will be their downfall in my opinion.
I have grown to enjoy your videos. At first, I thought you spoke so fast that I couldn't quite understand you, but now I kind of like your speed. In reference to the new Tacoma, there is NOTHING about that truck that turns me on, zero. I drove Tacoma's for 20 years before going to the Tundra, the 5.7 PRO. Seems like the Tacoma got smaller in every way including the engine. Might be ok for a teenager, if they could possibly afford it.
If customers can afford $35 grand then the idea is to get them to stretch their budget another $15 grand. Same kind of deal is happening with groceries. I saw a package of 4 gluten free frosted cookies for $14.99. They might get somebody, but they won't get me!
Every pickup truck should have at least a 6ft bed. It's absolutely insane that it's no longer the standard, even on half-ton trucks, nowadays. I'm so glad Toyota is still giving us that option on the new Tacoma. I just wish it was 48in between the wheel wells too, like the new Ranger.
Ben, Its not just the Tundra. Its the Lack of options. Everyone is unhappy with no engine options other than these turbo/hybrids…. That is pissing people off. Then the high Prices That is really pissing people off! AND now look at the NHTSA reports about the Tacoma. They are having too many reported transmission problems. And those are just the reported ones. Not to mention the lack of bump stop thing! Its a cumulation of things. And if they keep going Toyota will have a real problem on their hands… I think it started with the new CEO. I believe he has to go! IMHO.
Love Toyota & Lexus but can not really understand, why they play with reliability and their good reputation so easily?!, The larger engines on their products were just bullet prove!
I got one as a rental while my 350k mile ram was getting a new fuel pump It’s entirely way too small. Smaller than the inside of a jeep wrangler. I’m almost 6’ and I’m not even obese…. I just didn’t fit. Didn’t have that problem in my old x runner
Just look at everything now and compared to 20 years ago everything was good trucks,cars,suvs were affordable back then and housing and even way back in the 90s everything was cheaper and today cars trucks or SUVs are expensive omg the amount of stuff they add on is just horrendous and idk what else to say and I also herd that ford wants to implement some kind of system where it monitors your speed and if you over speed it will let law enforcement know about it can you believe how much control were losing to these vehicles just can't believe it.
Is it just the dealer you deal with giving discounts? because I’m from Long Island and I inquired about one and I was told if I order one it will be over MSRP not by much but anything over is stupid in my opinion
Toyota is now run by the bean counters. Halogen front turn signals, non steel skid plates, stamped steel control arms, etc. The 4th Gen trucks are being discounted pretty heavily in my area.
under the hood you have a complete rat's nest of wires, cables, and hoses. come on Toyota.... Btw check the fuel level before you start videoing a review.
If you openly admit you disregard facts in favor of opinions, then why should someone take you seriously? Are you afraid to consider that companies have been price-gouging customers for years, and that many people will make excuses to pay more for less? Consider this: a family is struggling to put as much food on the table as they previously did. The products they buy are at best the same price or have gone up, while the amount they buy has shrunk (e.g., a 20 oz bottle of detergent is now 16 oz). The companies making these products have reported record profits (e.g., John Deere raking in $10+ billion in 2023 solely in profits) year after year. The CEOs of these companies are telling struggling families to eat cereal while said executives get $30 million bonuses after raising prices and laying off hundreds if not thousands of employees, again. Inflation has been in a favorable position and getting better for months (despite every member of an entire political party voting against the Inflation Reduction Act), and is in fact the best among the G7 countries (meaning the US is doing better than any country you can compare to it, such as France, England, Germany). So why is it that people aren't happy with their economic situation? Because wages have not kept pace with the economy. Companies intentionally pay employees less and use more of their profits on stock buybacks and dividends. They keep prices high because, having seen that people will pay high prices and that they can rake in more money than ever before, they let their greed make all the decisions. They keep prices high and lie to customers as to the reason, and customers, looking for someone to blame other than the person they are buying from, blame some nebulous idea (the economy or inflation) instead of the person who is looking them in the eye and lying through their teeth. I don't get my news from anyone being sued for billions of dollars for defamation, especially if they lose more than half their yearly profits in a single settlement and fire their top earner to cover their sorry ass. The economy is not crashing and burning. We are not on the verge of a recession. Feelings are not a substitute for facts. Cars have never been cheap. They have always been a serious purchase and only become more so because drivers both need certain features (airbags, seat belts, backup cameras) and want certain features (wireless chargers, multi-zone climate control, automatic rear windows and rooftops, heated steering wheels, heads-up display). Those aren't free and the automotive companies want to turn a profit on anything they can, not just to pay for the inclusion of a feature but to make an extra buck off it. And so they charge a very pretty penny for a car that isn't worth that much because they know drivers need cars. On the other side, drivers are not happy with how feature-heavy cars have gotten and thus how pricey they have gotten while their employers are withholding fair pay and therefore they don't buy. People want a good deal on anything they buy, they want to get their money's worth and not be ripped off, and it's worse with cars because if something goes wrong there's a scary-high chance that it won't be cheap and the driver must pay for it. Naturally the more expensive the vehicle the worse this gets. I'm in a better position to buy a new vehicle than I have been at any point in my life save one other. I have considered what I need a vehicle for now as opposed to then, I have looked at a range of options from a list of choices, I test drove to see if anything felt right for me and I have talked with a number of people who have driven a variety of competitors' vehicles, and I have carefully considered my personal finances. And still -- still! -- I have to be careful because if I make a mistake getting a new vehicle, it will be a living hell untangling myself from it and trying again, time consuming and potentially harming my finances. I know everyone else on Earth has to put themselves through the same paces because god knows they don't want the frustration any more than I do. So when I hear you moaning about "The economy!" or "Inflation, gah!" or outright bragging that hard data means nothing to you and wounded feelings are more important, I find it to be utterly unacceptable. You are borderline calling your viewers gullible saps when you do that, and while I can't speak for everyone, I can speak for myself when I say that I do not enjoy being treated as if I am stupid. If you are so desperate to be proven wrong on this issue, then I recommend Robert Reich's content here on TH-cam. He will be more than happy to educate you so that you have facts instead of myths.
You sound like a Toyota spokesman. Your credibility took a hit talking up a truck with a myriad of issues and a seriously bloated price. I for one will no longer be watching your videos. Clear your allegiance is to the dollar.
Hmm. Transmission and other issues. The engine looks like a mess. No backseat room. Unfortunately made in Mexico. Toyota saved 80% on labor costs yet raised the price by 20 percent. Even with your discount, no one should buy this
Blown shock mounts have me not interested anymore
Yeah that was pure marketing. It’s interesting that what broke they just so happened to have the part to fix it for sell
Yeah I’m no longer considering the 4th gen Tacoma. Looking for a ranger raptor in the future
Sheldon Williams should be 🔥
@@MrCovert23 yeah I disagree, people are to moved by TH-cam’s, just like old people watching the news 📰. The world ending news always gets the attention
@@michaelptm2269seems fishy to me too.
The real issue with the Toyota products is the price. Toyota priced their customers out of the market. It is a stretch to even purchase a vehicle and then throw in the inconvenience of reliability issues and it makes the decision to buy a Toyota a no go.
have you forgot the engines are on recall and prices Suck!
inflation plays a huge part in it
The 2025 Nissan Frontier and PRO4X have a mild face and rear gate lift, some interior changes. Still has the 3.8 9 speed, and price point is on par for a loaded Pro4x... 50k out the door and that is leather.
Toyota Tacoma is still the king when it comes to resale value.
High price,turbo 4 cylinder,reliability among a few things.....🤷♂️
They are way over priced. No thanks Toyota.
Its not an excuse but all new truck/car peices are insane. Only millionaires can actually afford them without going into extreme debt to income ratios.
Just purchased a new 2024 Tacoma Off Road. So far so good. Enjoying the vehicle.
Thank you for your honesty on the vehicle 👍
Just dont actually take it Off Road, those things a blowing shock top hats left and right
Thankfully it looks like the reliability issues in their modern lineup are isolated to their truck line which coincidentally is also overpriced. It's making their previous generation of trucks on the used car market look like a really good buy right now.
2 corolla GR have burnt to the ground and toyota said it's because it was driven above 85mph .denied all responsibility
Plastic skid plates, 7/8 spare tire, shock mounted bump stops, transmission overheating issues.. how is Toyota allowed to slap an ‘Off Road’ sticker on this thing?!
Does this even have tow hooks?
Ya man,this is not a off-roader,maybe subtle dirt road
High prices questionable engines I’m going to pass for now.
I was honestly thinking of getting the TRD offroad with the 6ft bed. But after all the issues and the fact that the frontier pro4x is getting a 6ft bed next year. I think I will wait for that. Also I did some research the frontier and titan are built on the same frame. You can put titan suspension on the frontier you get a long travel suspension and wider track. Also you can swap the titan v8 in to the frontier. That honestly has me very interested even if i never do the swap. If Nissan sold the frontier with Titan v8 and suspension it would blow out all the other specialty trucks out of the water.
When a TRD Off-road can cost as much as a Ranger Raptor (MSRP) something is very wrong in Toyota land.
The fact that Toyota is already discounting a new release tells me either the economy is slowing down, prices are a bit high due to inflation or both like u mentioned. Having said that I like the specs on this one and would consider it or the Ford Ranger XLT with the 2.7, which is priced comparably.
I drove a tacoma since 2000 3 different ones I wanted to upgrade my 2020 trd 4x4 to same truck they want 48k no power seat and small infotainment screen I passed the upgrade was 8k more bought the gmc canyon at4
This "base" TRD Off Road is 2k less than that base Chevy Colorado ZR2 you reviewed.
This truck probably should be more around 41-43k.
Toyota is out of their mind. A base model off road for 46k. That truck is 35k max. Over the last few years toyota has gotten so greedy. I got a fully loaded 2017 tacoma for 36,200 out the door. Toyota'a greed will be their downfall in my opinion.
I have grown to enjoy your videos. At first, I thought you spoke so fast that I couldn't quite understand you, but now I kind of like your speed. In reference to the new Tacoma, there is NOTHING about that truck that turns me on, zero. I drove Tacoma's for 20 years before going to the Tundra, the 5.7 PRO. Seems like the Tacoma got smaller in every way including the engine. Might be ok for a teenager, if they could possibly afford it.
UNLESS THEY DISCOUNT $15K...NO DEAL ! I'm in the 5% wealth....but, feel poor and job stability is shaky!
19/23 on a 4 cylinder? that sucks!
True. The Ram 1500 with 3.6 V6 gets about the same and is a full size.
If customers can afford $35 grand then the idea is to get them to stretch their budget another $15 grand. Same kind of deal is happening with groceries. I saw a package of 4 gluten free frosted cookies for $14.99. They might get somebody, but they won't get me!
Every pickup truck should have at least a 6ft bed. It's absolutely insane that it's no longer the standard, even on half-ton trucks, nowadays. I'm so glad Toyota is still giving us that option on the new Tacoma. I just wish it was 48in between the wheel wells too, like the new Ranger.
No thanks, I’ll buy something where my transmission doesn’t go out before I put 50 miles on the car.
Glad to see some discounts being offered. The whole Tacoma range is priced $8k - $9k over what they’re worth.
10k Off needs to be the best the price
Hugh discount ? It more like Market adjustment to where it supposed to be. And then any additional discount then only consider a discount 😅
When these trucks do Off Road stuff they break.
Pass.
2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD OFF-ROAD Package Double Cab Half Cab Long Bed 4X4!
Ben, Its not just the Tundra. Its the Lack of options. Everyone is unhappy with no engine options other than these turbo/hybrids…. That is pissing people off. Then the high Prices That is really pissing people off! AND now look at the NHTSA reports about the Tacoma. They are having too many reported transmission problems. And those are just the reported ones. Not to mention the lack of bump stop thing! Its a cumulation of things. And if they keep going Toyota will have a real problem on their hands… I think it started with the new CEO. I believe he has to go! IMHO.
Love Toyota & Lexus but can not really understand, why they play with reliability and their good reputation so easily?!, The larger engines on their products were just bullet prove!
I got one as a rental while my 350k mile ram was getting a new fuel pump
It’s entirely way too small. Smaller than the inside of a jeep wrangler.
I’m almost 6’ and I’m not even obese…. I just didn’t fit. Didn’t have that problem in my old x runner
Yeahk i see absolutely no reason to sell my 2013 v6 tacoma trd off road for any of these late model ones.
In your opinion what would be a standard, good, and great deal ($ off MSRP) on an SR5 right now?
I got my SR5 4x4 with JBL speakers for 5300$ off sticker. I got it 46029$ out the door.
Just got an underground sr5 4x4 for 41k, in NC.
0 due to all their motor issues
I herd the front axle snap on one of the first Tacoma's that tfl bought this year. .... whoops,
IF my 2022 Tacoma TRD PRO wasn’t bought and paid for, I’d give you a Bo jangles homie!🤷♂️😳
Start this at 39 to 40,discount to 35 to 36 i see it working,the interior is lacking big time for the money,go chevvy or gmc,much nicer
What toyota dealer ship is this ??
Get it for 40k then now we are talking. Honestly a trdOff road is the trd pro from last generation.
Can you compare an SR5 to a TRD
Higher price, smaller engine, plastic skid plates, transmissions overheating and failing shock mounted bump stops. Umm yeah, no.
The backseat is not spacious at all. Nice truck though.
I think it’s pronounced Bill Steen
That is a really nice truck!
You seem to be a fanboy by not mentioning the issues.
6’ bed 🥱Tacoma 4-cyl shouldn’t cost > $40,000
The new Toyota Tacoma looks cool for a family truck
rear seat space sucks
Just look at everything now and compared to 20 years ago everything was good trucks,cars,suvs were affordable back then and housing and even way back in the 90s everything was cheaper and today cars trucks or SUVs are expensive omg the amount of stuff they add on is just horrendous and idk what else to say and I also herd that ford wants to implement some kind of system where it monitors your speed and if you over speed it will let law enforcement know about it can you believe how much control were losing to these vehicles just can't believe it.
You should review the up coming trd sticker package edition tundra i mean rally 🤣 what a joke.
Is it just the dealer you deal with giving discounts? because I’m from Long Island and I inquired about one and I was told if I order one it will be over MSRP not by much but anything over is stupid in my opinion
Toyota Murray is
@@BenHardyCars I appreciate im going to look into it thanks Ben.
Overpriced junk😂😂😂
Looks like a chevy
The last person people should be listening to.
Toyota is now run by the bean counters. Halogen front turn signals, non steel skid plates, stamped steel control arms, etc. The 4th Gen trucks are being discounted pretty heavily in my area.
Bro has been pumping out videos nonstop, he now looks like a homeless person. Bro don’t even have time for a haircut.
Eww, that Tow Haul knob seems like it would be in the way. Gross
Damn, 46k seems reasonable in today's day and age
46k?😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😆
It's quality of Toyota has been going down Hill.
Good god still an over inflated price for such a basic set up.
No thanks to the over priced Mexican made Tacomas.
styling still has not grown on me. too many hard lines all over the place, like Toyota tried too hard.
under the hood you have a complete rat's nest of wires, cables, and hoses. come on Toyota.... Btw check the fuel level before you start videoing a review.
Useless back seat for that much money
If you openly admit you disregard facts in favor of opinions, then why should someone take you seriously? Are you afraid to consider that companies have been price-gouging customers for years, and that many people will make excuses to pay more for less?
Consider this: a family is struggling to put as much food on the table as they previously did. The products they buy are at best the same price or have gone up, while the amount they buy has shrunk (e.g., a 20 oz bottle of detergent is now 16 oz). The companies making these products have reported record profits (e.g., John Deere raking in $10+ billion in 2023 solely in profits) year after year. The CEOs of these companies are telling struggling families to eat cereal while said executives get $30 million bonuses after raising prices and laying off hundreds if not thousands of employees, again. Inflation has been in a favorable position and getting better for months (despite every member of an entire political party voting against the Inflation Reduction Act), and is in fact the best among the G7 countries (meaning the US is doing better than any country you can compare to it, such as France, England, Germany). So why is it that people aren't happy with their economic situation?
Because wages have not kept pace with the economy. Companies intentionally pay employees less and use more of their profits on stock buybacks and dividends. They keep prices high because, having seen that people will pay high prices and that they can rake in more money than ever before, they let their greed make all the decisions. They keep prices high and lie to customers as to the reason, and customers, looking for someone to blame other than the person they are buying from, blame some nebulous idea (the economy or inflation) instead of the person who is looking them in the eye and lying through their teeth. I don't get my news from anyone being sued for billions of dollars for defamation, especially if they lose more than half their yearly profits in a single settlement and fire their top earner to cover their sorry ass.
The economy is not crashing and burning. We are not on the verge of a recession. Feelings are not a substitute for facts. Cars have never been cheap. They have always been a serious purchase and only become more so because drivers both need certain features (airbags, seat belts, backup cameras) and want certain features (wireless chargers, multi-zone climate control, automatic rear windows and rooftops, heated steering wheels, heads-up display). Those aren't free and the automotive companies want to turn a profit on anything they can, not just to pay for the inclusion of a feature but to make an extra buck off it. And so they charge a very pretty penny for a car that isn't worth that much because they know drivers need cars. On the other side, drivers are not happy with how feature-heavy cars have gotten and thus how pricey they have gotten while their employers are withholding fair pay and therefore they don't buy. People want a good deal on anything they buy, they want to get their money's worth and not be ripped off, and it's worse with cars because if something goes wrong there's a scary-high chance that it won't be cheap and the driver must pay for it. Naturally the more expensive the vehicle the worse this gets.
I'm in a better position to buy a new vehicle than I have been at any point in my life save one other. I have considered what I need a vehicle for now as opposed to then, I have looked at a range of options from a list of choices, I test drove to see if anything felt right for me and I have talked with a number of people who have driven a variety of competitors' vehicles, and I have carefully considered my personal finances. And still -- still! -- I have to be careful because if I make a mistake getting a new vehicle, it will be a living hell untangling myself from it and trying again, time consuming and potentially harming my finances. I know everyone else on Earth has to put themselves through the same paces because god knows they don't want the frustration any more than I do.
So when I hear you moaning about "The economy!" or "Inflation, gah!" or outright bragging that hard data means nothing to you and wounded feelings are more important, I find it to be utterly unacceptable. You are borderline calling your viewers gullible saps when you do that, and while I can't speak for everyone, I can speak for myself when I say that I do not enjoy being treated as if I am stupid.
If you are so desperate to be proven wrong on this issue, then I recommend Robert Reich's content here on TH-cam. He will be more than happy to educate you so that you have facts instead of myths.
No V6 and to much good bye toyota said 😢😢😢
Too much tech truck
Meh
Tacoma just whack now & lost all it's appeal!
You sound like a Toyota spokesman. Your credibility took a hit talking up a truck with a myriad of issues and a seriously bloated price. I for one will no longer be watching your videos. Clear your allegiance is to the dollar.
Discounts because it's a piece of junk
Hmm. Transmission and other issues. The engine looks like a mess. No backseat room. Unfortunately made in Mexico. Toyota saved 80% on labor costs yet raised the price by 20 percent. Even with your discount, no one should buy this