MHW Iceborne - Raging Brachydios Theme [Extended]

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  • @Talla50k
    @Talla50k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +353

    They said only Elder Dragons get vocals for their themes.
    Raging Brachydios decided to change their meta.

    • @AxisChurchDevotee
      @AxisChurchDevotee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It is an elder Dragon level monster so it makes sense for it to have its own theme.
      Shame Furious Rajang didn't get his own theme though.

    • @danielfuentes2999
      @danielfuentes2999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Fuck furious rajang. World's version isn't hard enough to deserve one

    • @mitchellmackoul5294
      @mitchellmackoul5294 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielfuentes2999 See, I only played MH4 onwards, how did they fuck up Furious Rajang?

    • @Ink_Floyd
      @Ink_Floyd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielfuentes2999 sadly yeah, he's still fun tho.

    • @ivanSMart54
      @ivanSMart54 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Daniel Fuentes it’s cause he doesn’t throw the world or do anything that isn’t more than rajang level raging takes it to a whole new level getting a theme a special mode a whole quest all by himself furious gets a couple new moves a new pin and a copy paste turf war with nergi. Like they put all the effort in brachy because they knew he’d end up being the more liked and better to focus on of the two. Don’t get me wrong I preferred furious and normal rajang in the old games but brachy in world is such an improvement it puts those two to shame

  • @meremsolomon4744
    @meremsolomon4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    "Although it's hard to see, a Brachydios's body is entirely covered in slime mold. Most of it is inactive and can't be seen by the naked eye, but the slime mold on its forelegs and horn is active from a special component found in its saliva."
    "When enraged, the component found in its saliva will spread to some other parts of its body, causing parts of Brachydios to turn yellow. The slime mold used by Brachydios usually explodes and spreads spores, but, rarely in some cases, it doesn't do that."
    "The slime mold that was left behind seeps into the ground and remains dormant, causing it to build up explosive power the longer it is left inactive. The slime mold will become active once again via crustal deformation or a volcanic eruption."
    "Young Brachydios are known to gather slime mold left behind by their parents, but the explosions from the slime can seriously injure or even kill them. Some strong Brachydios are known to search for the flashpoint slime, but not many of them survive the slime's explosions."
    "Only the largest and strongest Brachydios can use this altered slime, and these individuals are known as Raging Brachydios. A powerful variant of Brachydios with abnormally active slime, Raging Brachydios found the flashpoint slime and formed a symbiotic relationship with it."
    "Brachydios
    Order: Saurischia
    Suborder: Theropoda
    Superfamily: Forefoot Fist Wyvern (前脚拳竜上科)
    Family: Brachy (ブラキ科)"
    "Old World Brachydios: Length = 1521.8cm - Height = 557.8cm - FM (Foot Measurements) = 178cm
    Old World Raging Brachydios: Length = 2130.5 - Height = 780.9cm - FM = 249cm
    New World Raging Brachydios: Length = 2282.77 - Height = ? - FM = ?"
    "The true reason why Brachydios go looking for this slime isn't just from it being stronger than the standard slime, but because of its vibrant colors appealing to the opposite sex. Although it's risky to use this slime, the rewards make it worthwhile for the individual."
    "The flashpoint slime has altered Raging Brachydios's shell. From the heat of this slime, Raging Brachydio's shell is no longer blue and is now a more emerald or green color. Not only has the slime changed its color, but it has also strengthened its shell."
    "Since the explosions its slime produces are more powerful than usual, it needed a stronger shell that could protect it from the impact. Raging Brachydios also has a special organ known as the immortal reactor."
    "This organ explosively activates its slime, causing the slime to turn from yellow to orange to red. The immortal reactor allows Raging Brachydios to change the state of its slime at will without needing to become enraged to make it immediately explode."
    "Is Raging Brachydios immortal? No. Raging Brachydios is likely old, like many other powerful monsters in the series, but definitely not immortal."
    "Sources:
    1. Hunter's Encyclopedia 4 (ハンター大全4): pg. 82 - 84
    2. MH4U: Raging Brachydios carves"
    1.) twitter.com/BannedDino/status/1242459164405874690?s=20
    2.) twitter.com/BannedDino/status/1242459819925221377?s=20
    3.) mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1242503950147952641
    *Source: BannedLagiacrus Twitter Page*

    • @meremsolomon4744
      @meremsolomon4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Better read this one too:
      mobile.twitter.com/banneddino/status/1052947674952011776?lang=en

    • @drowsy9325
      @drowsy9325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nerd

    • @drowsy9325
      @drowsy9325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@meremsolomon4744 nerd

    • @meremsolomon4744
      @meremsolomon4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@drowsy9325
      And people thanking me for it.

    • @surreal9583
      @surreal9583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@meremsolomon4744 chin up king, your crown is falling

  • @Xenoras
    @Xenoras 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    First time fighting this thing I actually screamed when I realized HE BLOCKS OFF ALL EXITS.

    • @charlie-cv5df
      @charlie-cv5df ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bro said “im not trapped here with you….YOUR TRAPPED HERE WITH MEEEEE”

    • @Ethan_Wong_
      @Ethan_Wong_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unless you have ice weapons. Then he just trapped himself with you.

  • @obamakiske
    @obamakiske 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    *BATTLE AGAINST THE ULTIMATE UNSTOPPABLE FORCE*
    RAGING BRACHYDIOS
    Raging Brachydios is a Brachydios variant that came across a form of unstable slime and somehow survived, therefore becoming a Raging individual. It is completely unstoppable at this point, and nothing can truly challenge it except the strongest of the strongest: And you are the strongest of the strong. Face Raging Brachydios head on, and defeat the explosive tyrant in his domain! You got this, I believe in you, Sapphire Star!

  • @RadRaptor152
    @RadRaptor152 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    once the vocals kick in you know the *REAL* fight has only just begun

  • @ketchup6511
    @ketchup6511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    me when I don't catch a fish in animal crossing

    • @OptimisticSociopath
      @OptimisticSociopath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      *Sea Bass*

    • @snowylynx36
      @snowylynx36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      PETA when you do catch a fish in animal crossing:

    • @arzr_er
      @arzr_er 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nobody plays animal crossing anymore lol

    • @rbrachy2518
      @rbrachy2518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ARZRer haha ok bud

    • @drowsy9325
      @drowsy9325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *Brachy noises*

  • @youngbeegaming
    @youngbeegaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    1:34 SAVE ME FROM ALL AWESOME PUNCHES
    SHIT
    AND HE BOOMS UP THE WALL
    THEN HE KNOCKS IN YOUR TEETH
    SAVE ME PLEASE

    • @xyrah-kadachi4186
      @xyrah-kadachi4186 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      accurate

    • @Dawn_Arts
      @Dawn_Arts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ah, I see your a person of culture as well

    • @youngbeegaming
      @youngbeegaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xyrah-kadachi4186 I tried to fight him yesterday I died completely

    • @xyrah-kadachi4186
      @xyrah-kadachi4186 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im not even past shara yet, well because i haven't fought blackveil though, i'll try to finish shara tomorrow so i can experience this demon for myself.

    • @youngbeegaming
      @youngbeegaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xyrah-kadachi4186 you have to do alot of special Assignments so first is kirin from the big guy with muscles that looks for nergi, then stygian zinogre or rajang. After that you can do as u please u can go for the big slime boi or train for safi jiva

  • @MustacheGuy-fn7fw
    @MustacheGuy-fn7fw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Imagine the turf wars

    • @corruption3581
      @corruption3581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Guess you can say it will be... EXPLOSIVE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I'll leave...

    • @drexgoodgaming5945
      @drexgoodgaming5945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      trenton adams no stay

    • @snowylynx36
      @snowylynx36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Between seething and this raging boi? ÜberNükė

    • @Zacharie27
      @Zacharie27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      BrachyDIOs vs DevilJHO
      MUDA VS ORA

    • @arzr_er
      @arzr_er 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like murders

  • @lagialugia5272
    @lagialugia5272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Cant wait for have this music in my room

  • @JanusHoW
    @JanusHoW ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Ah, your stubborn persistence has stirred my long-becalmed heart, filling it with a joy I have not known for many years! I had thought the tantalizing kiss of self-indulgence a dream forever out of reach! And now that its sweet ruin courses through my veins, I shall not be quick to relinquish it!"
    (rapidly punches the floor, causing Flashpoint Slime to overflow the room)
    "Show me your worth, morsel, so that I MIGHT REVEL IN IT!"

  • @TheGunpowder13
    @TheGunpowder13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That key change towards the end just.... MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm... love it

  • @thenadei9477
    @thenadei9477  4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Stay save out there everyone!

    • @Punbun2
      @Punbun2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I’m already unsafe

    • @glamosbruce8625
      @glamosbruce8625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Punbun Consumer of Lurkers 2.0I think he meant covid but he could mean both

    • @RandomPerson28337
      @RandomPerson28337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the virus or the monster?

    • @Nargahuga
      @Nargahuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      seething was not enough?

    • @jerichoagustin9810
      @jerichoagustin9810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SILVER CHARIOT PFP

  • @michaelferguson1514
    @michaelferguson1514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks fam, this helped me figure out how to prove something that I’ve been stuck on for two weeks.

  • @Zacharie27
    @Zacharie27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:52 this part make the theme take a whole new level

  • @toast3834
    @toast3834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    My siblings; trying to sleep*
    Me: blasting this theme at full volume*

  • @andi1754
    @andi1754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m gonna come back in 10 years

  • @Sammysnows
    @Sammysnows 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Elder dragon : wait but that's Our theme??
    Raging bracy: not anymore I'm at your level now.

    • @mikedavies6979
      @mikedavies6979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Raging Brachy isn't on that level. He might surpass some elders, but there are elders that completely overpower him too.
      To name a few.
      Amatsu
      Alatreon
      Fatalis (and/or Variants)
      Shagaru Magala
      Valstrax
      Raging is definitely in the same ball park, but that doesn't make him equal. That being said... Raging Brachy could definitely beat all I mentioned in specific circumstances, but not always in a straight battle of wills.

    • @teethpastaa
      @teethpastaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@mikedavies6979 I mean, I feel like Alatreon would massacre a Raging Brachydios. And with anyone from the Fatalis line they have a rep for being able to scorch the whole world in 3 days. Plus that's assuming we don't count in White Fatalitis. I don't think Raging Brachy would be able to defeat those in ANY circumstance.
      Edit: now that I look at all of these wdym? Raging Brachy could defeat maybe a Kirin or more passive elders like Vaal, but Shagaru and Valstrax? Shagaru Magala are such huge threats because their goal in life is to kill as many monsters around them that others of their species can't reproduce. And I'm not even going to go into Valstrax

    • @teethpastaa
      @teethpastaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Drake Petty my whole thing is that I just don't think there is much a raging Brachy could do, like I'm not sure if a raging Brachy could touch a valstrax considering it could just fly. Even if valstrax did go in for a quick hit it isn't like Brachy could grab him or anything, he doesn't even have hands. You could make the argument that he could punch valstrax if he came in for a hit but he could just attack from above. With Shagaru yeah I could see that fight being sick, but in the end Shagaru's frenzy would just kill him regardless of the winner.

    • @adaptayshun8346
      @adaptayshun8346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mike Davies Alatreon and Fatalis aren't Elders. They're Black Dragons and they're in a whole different ball park than Elder Dragons.

    • @kurochio5073
      @kurochio5073 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@adaptayshun8346 They are still Elder Dragons. Black Dragons are just setting them more so as the Apex of Elder Dragons or maybe i shouldn't say that they are just the most dangerous/legendary type. Black Dragon classification is kind of iffy because you'd think Safi would be classified as one.

  • @indomitable9763
    @indomitable9763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When your bully says meet em at the park but you brought yo homies

  • @ignorantflow7110
    @ignorantflow7110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    omg i was not expecting this masterpiece lmaoo

  • @tackey8632
    @tackey8632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Indomitable Will of Brachydios! - Monster Hunter World: Iceborne

  • @kikilaknight8719
    @kikilaknight8719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Epic Theme

  • @Gazing-09
    @Gazing-09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For some reason, I think of the Arch Tempered Kulve Taroth final phase...

    • @mikedavies6979
      @mikedavies6979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It is more similar than most would think, but the tempo in this fight is far more intense.
      Kulve is usually quite passive and has a fair wind-up to most attacks, she can be aggressive but she rarely is, and she isn't anywhere near as mobile as Brachy is.
      Brachy is a constant physical threat with much faster wind-ups on his attacks, and he also has distinctly better AoE based attacks, and unlike Kulve... Brachy isn't even remotely Passive. His AI is a hell of a lot better at combatting multiple opponents, and his speed really allows him to keep the pressure on if you make a mistake.
      They are similar, but wildly different fights.

  • @notaporcupine3693
    @notaporcupine3693 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Raging Brachydios: I'LL SHOW YOU THE TRUE MEANING OF RAGE!!!!!!

  • @surreal9583
    @surreal9583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Local Monster literally too angry to die

  • @nyxxose
    @nyxxose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!
    Oh.......

  • @TheHuggableEmpire
    @TheHuggableEmpire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone else kinda dig the first few drum beats before the vocals start?

  • @rbrachy2518
    @rbrachy2518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Listening to the chorus at max volume makes me feel like raging brachydios

  • @Kaius_S
    @Kaius_S 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    need this for 10 hours

  • @vanessalaplaige8806
    @vanessalaplaige8806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have a new mission kalm
    The monster is a subspecies panik
    It’s theme is good kalm
    It’s in Latin panik

  • @leonides1527
    @leonides1527 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    *WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! REACTOR HAS GONE CRITICAL! I REPEAT! REACTOR HAS GONE CRITICAL! ALL PERSONAL EVACUATE THE AREA*
    the hunters who are trapped in the room with brachy: ... Well one of us is leaving this place alive

    • @mikedavies6979
      @mikedavies6979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Trapped? First time it happened I was in the zone next door, and ran into the gladitorial arena.
      I'm all about this life, bring it on brachy!

    • @99v6cam
      @99v6cam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fun fact: Nuclear reactors being critical is a good thing. It means that are at a stable and constant power level. There are just as many fission reactions being created by the neutrons of the fission reactions which just took place. I have no idea how pop culture managed to get the phrase “the reactor is critical” so wrong. (Used to operate nuclear reactors In the Navy so this has bothered me ever since.)

    • @Nargahuga
      @Nargahuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the fainted one is leaving

    • @leonides1527
      @leonides1527 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@99v6cam in some games. Anything going critical has the game telling you to run out as fast as possible

    • @Dres2000
      @Dres2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      “This is the true power of the immortal reactor”

  • @dapperblack3509
    @dapperblack3509 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Brachydios: Hmmmmm i wonder what its like to be considered or on the same level as an elder dragon?
    Raging Brachydios: Why hello there!

    • @ryan1000011
      @ryan1000011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      General Kenobi

  • @yang-ps7xk
    @yang-ps7xk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    かっこいいいいい

  • @CodexIon112
    @CodexIon112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    angry brachy can yeet kirin off the world

  • @judithgeorge8914
    @judithgeorge8914 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rajang Chase theme? No one has uploaded it to TH-cam yet :/

    • @thenadei9477
      @thenadei9477  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Really? Well if I find it then I'll upload it

  • @90zillas34
    @90zillas34 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh looks it’s 2020s theme

  • @voidheroshadow2016
    @voidheroshadow2016 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why do I hear epic boss music
    *see raging brachydios and said uh oh*

  • @Mag_ott
    @Mag_ott 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    and thats how i endure online classes.

  • @adrianrenard1262
    @adrianrenard1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everybody gangsta till raging brachy enters Muda Muda phase

    • @desterydw2789
      @desterydw2789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      you kiddin? thats when i go beast mode!

    • @raditz1101
      @raditz1101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is when you prove yourself as a true hunter. Final phase Raging is imo one of the hardest monsters in the game.

  • @gallantsteel8542
    @gallantsteel8542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's a nightmare having to fight this monster without blast resistance.

    • @domenthebeast8885
      @domenthebeast8885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really, just roll and keep an eye on brachy. That will be your best bet.

    • @thegreglin332
      @thegreglin332 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@domenthebeast8885
      "just don't get hit"
      - Sun Tzu, the art of hunting

  • @fullyn2072
    @fullyn2072 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can only think Raging Brachydios Explosive Muda Muda Muda

  • @eating_ostrich
    @eating_ostrich 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am I the only one that notices a striking resemblance to the Arch Hydra theme from Dragons Dogma, I mean same company I guess xD

  • @athroughzdude
    @athroughzdude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me when I need to farm Raging Brachy for the armor pieces to update my sets

  • @mikedavies6979
    @mikedavies6979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I unfortunately had music on the first few times of fighting him, so I didn't even know this theme existed...
    Even if I did, it would have been hard to hear over my hunting horn, as my teams were dying without me using it.

    • @hundido9287
      @hundido9287 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is why I always go solo first.

    • @arzr_er
      @arzr_er 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's why I have music and voice at 100% and everything else at 70%

  • @Car1tuba
    @Car1tuba 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like thenadei just fought raging brachy and only recorded the theme

    • @thenadei9477
      @thenadei9477  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I uploaded this before Raging Brachydios came out on console

  • @ahmednoseir7433
    @ahmednoseir7433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man where can I get a team where we work together and how hard is it to bring health dust and why can’t the dodge? Ugh 1 to 10 success rate lol

    • @thenadei9477
      @thenadei9477  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      here discord.gg/BM5y5C

    • @rosegod444
      @rosegod444 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly man it’s way easier to fight it by yourself, I was struggling with randos but then I did it on my own and slayed it just fine

    • @arzr_er
      @arzr_er 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a heavy weapon it's fucked to solo it, so I do it with people, but LS and bowgun users cart so fucking much

  • @awhnii
    @awhnii 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    For some reason for me on PC the music didn't pop when I went to the last zone :/

  • @kannonlewis4183
    @kannonlewis4183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Breakdown! Breakdown!

  • @Nargahuga
    @Nargahuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    bro?

  • @santmc12
    @santmc12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy rekt me

  • @IaconDawnshire
    @IaconDawnshire 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Know why Brachy is raging? It's cause Guildmarm dumped him for Rajang

  • @PrimevalDemon
    @PrimevalDemon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are his weapons still bland looking?

    • @dmv8751
      @dmv8751 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every weapon is dope looking

    • @mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305
      @mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No they have cool glowy stuff and are generally shaped quite well in my opinion

  • @K63292-KG
    @K63292-KG 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This Raging-Brachydios Is It Strong????

    • @thekingkaiju9385
      @thekingkaiju9385 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      After fighting it solo, what I will say is this. Ow.

    • @mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305
      @mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the only monster so far that I had to do three days in a row. Granted, I was also doing kulve taroth most of the time, but still. Just pray.

    • @Artwolf007
      @Artwolf007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Game wise,quite strong. Lore wise, *really* strong.

    • @rexhat2901
      @rexhat2901 ปีที่แล้ว

      this big basturd could fight elders like shara and have a decent chance at wining

  • @justsomeguywithabeard7845
    @justsomeguywithabeard7845 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brachy-DIO-s Brando

  • @typonumber8939
    @typonumber8939 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I prefer the mount theme

    • @Nargahuga
      @Nargahuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *gets challenger mantle to get a raging brach* SAY IT AGAIN I DARE YOU

  • @Punbun2
    @Punbun2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dab

    • @Nargahuga
      @Nargahuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      /::/

    • @snowylynx36
      @snowylynx36 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      OwO whats this- oh... I'm gonna act like i didn't see that.

    • @dastr1ch78
      @dastr1ch78 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shut up 9 year old

  • @MomijiInubashiri
    @MomijiInubashiri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a downgrade from the original theme

    • @digbick6282
      @digbick6282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wrong try again

    • @raditz1101
      @raditz1101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean they compliment one another well. Brachydios normal theme speaks to battle of wills with either side not giving any ground to the other while Raging emphasizes this as the final stand where one shall stand and one shall fall, one final push to determine who has the stronger will and might