EMT Describes Conditions of Crime Scene: Brother & Sister Murder Trial
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- "Overpowering smell of urine," EMT, John Shelton, recalls the conditions he saw when arriving at the crime scene. Siblings Karen Murray, 49, and Michael Murray, 43, are charged with first-degree murder and aggravated neglect of a vulnerable adult in the death of their 68-year-old mother, Sheila Murray.
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I hope you show this whole trial
I think the husband and these 2 should have got her help. Is there medicare or medicaid in tennessee? Do facilities accept it?
@@juneyshu6197 Medicare will only pay for 190 days in a nursing facility for life (what I was told by them). The rest is up to patient or family. I’m not sure about these people’s situations but I’ve had to look into it for my mom recently.
Even these anchors are referring to them as kids. They're adults in middle ages.
@margaretwaite7226 it's a title. Not a description.
They look like they can't take care of themselves let alone
I’m wondering if they were even competent? Something g is definitely not right with them.
Yes! They are mentally challenged. No one of sound mind would do this to another human being, let alone their own mother. 😢😢😢
I feel the same way. Something seems “off” with both of them. Have they been assessed?
This is what I’m observing myself. I think this may be classic of the Dept of human Services bc the investigation started when SM went to the hospital. Dept of human services had been visiting the home all along?! Strange that they didn’t remove Sheila from the home and order a psych assessment of the bro & sis based on the living conditions. DOHS may be covering themselves for the role they played in all of this.
@@daniellethomas2915DOHS were not involved, these are two grown adults children & there's zero excuse for not cleaning up urine & feces on your own mother & not even a sheet on the bed!!!
This testimony made ne cry. This poor woman. My heart broke listening to this. Praying she is in the arms of our Heavenly Father. .❤🙏🏻❤️
Oh my gosh! That poor woman! Her children are just sickening.
Can’t imagine what this mother went through at the hands of her children,,, 😡
I wondering where was dad when this was going on? I know he worked but you can't work 24/7. He had to know. I wondered if he even went in the room to see his wife.
The brother and sister are disgusting treating their mother this way🤬🤬
Reporters should not seek high profile reconition but listened to reasonable fact.
LOOK …. IT’S A FAMILY’S EMOTIONAL BREAK DOWN
Neither one of those defendants looks well mentally.
They look like the Rugrats.
Demons
They can't even take care of themselves.
THEY KNEW BETTER!!!
That's all a Ruse, plus Lazy ass' @@alexmajax
EMT’s are not paid nearly enough
You're absolutely correct!! I was thinking about this yesterday. All EMTs, paramedics, and life-saving workers should be earning more money. It astounds me how much celebrities and professional make while too many first responders are struggling financially.
Many are just volunteers! 😮
Absolutely! I was going to be one and saw the pay was less than what I was doing at the time.
@@lol_yeahwhatever Healthcare is just underpaid period Sir I work in it and it's more than terrible. I'm a CNA you know I see and seen some stuff.
It seems like nowadays ain't nobody paid nearly enough😢
There was in my view a reason they still lived at home at their age. They don't seem all there. These are not people capable of caring for a disabled elderly woman.
Then why is there a trial right now?? Don't you think the authorities would know this?
@@melissabenson6749because the husband who actually was her caregiver died 3 months after her
@@melissabenson6749 oh I'm sure they know this. The laws for being mentally competent are quite harsh in the USA. Also I think the state wanted to hold someone responsible. And the husband died
@@KimVerhaaff No if there was an issue they would've been tested by medical professionals & if true, there would not be a trial right now. It's literally in our Constitution, no cruel or unusual punishment.
@@melissabenson6749They are clearly not with it, are these mountain people? Uneducated? Her husband was a retired cop? The “Kids” are in their 40’s!!!!! What kind of family was this? Where is the “other” sister???
The dad took Mrs. Murray out of the nursing home because they were going to have to sell their home to cover her expenses. America. He dies and leaves her care to two cognitively disabled children who were raised in a dirty home. They would have been rendered homeless if she was sent back to the nursing home. Dad’s desperation led to this tragedy. These “adults” are steeped in chaos and appear to be cognitively and mentally disabled. I’m betting their mental health will be centered later in the trial. I’m sure dad thought he’d outlive mom. These two even look physically child like instead of in their 40s. This is a tragic.
and I have just one thing to add to your great summary - who is behind these kids being arrested 2 years after her death?, & if these witnesses saw nothing wrong with the care, at the time, then how would these kids, who are not in the medical field, be expected to know what was wrong. This case is a travesty to true justice.
He died after his wife
@@lindaaitken7679 not according to the various testimonies
The husband was still alive when she was taken to the hospital. He didn’t pass away for a few months after his wife passed away.
If his wife stayed in the nursing home, her entire Social security check would have been taken to pay the nursing home. Which I’m sure is why the Husband took her home. The husband was the primary care giver to his wife. I’m not sure how much these two were involved with her care. But the husband died and the State only has these two left to charge. Since they lived in the house. If we’re talking about how much they should have known? I don’t believe they have reasonable brain function to begin with!
Omg I thought they were teenagers , wow in their forties.
The sister who didn’t live there and visited her mother in February should be held accountable too. She saw her mother in those filthy conditions and she went on about her business. Cold hearted so called daughter!
Exactly she could’ve help clean the house up and spent more time caring for her mother while visiting
yes the daughter should have gotten home care in place or get her an emergency admit to a nursing home.
I totally agree!! Just so sad
She infuriates me the most. They clearly did not love their mother. May she rest in peace. 🙏🏾
I agree. She should be held accountable, she knew and did nothing.
I also blame the other sister. I mean she obviously did nothing to help her mother. This is so sad!!
GREAT TRUE COMMENT! I AGREE COMPLETELY! THANK YOU!
Exactly she kept saying her mom was covered and she also kept saying she smelled urine but did nothing to help her mom I want words with her!
That poor Mama died in horrific pain. I hope she is wrapped with love in paradise 😢
paradise?? she's dead she doesn't exist anymore -- paradise - geezuz
@@eightieslivenow7579there is life after death.. I know it’s hard for you to believe.
@@eightieslivenow7579 you’re a nice lady, Karen!!! 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
@@eightieslivenow7579 Does that make you feel better? Mocking others? That's sad for you.
@@eightieslivenow7579that is YOUR opinion
There is no God in people's lives today. That is why the world is in the sad shape it is in.😢
This makes me want to know everything about their childhoods and upbringing. What happened? What led them to this? Are they intellectually disabled? Very curious to understand why.
I'm thinking, (coming into this absolutely blind) upon just looking at the brother and sister, they do look very intellectually challenged. I'd like to know what their education is and if there is any specific developmental issues on their parts. Certainly too whether there is mental illness as well. Perhaps they really didn't know how to care physically for someone on a day to day basis. They don't appear to look like they can care for their own hygiene to normal standards.
DOESNT MATTER...THEY FAILED THEIR MOTHER...they completely ignored her for weeks preadmission to hospital!!!
The dad was there too. He took care of her with the help of the "kids". I believe this is a case of severe neglect rather than deliberate abuse. The other sibling (living out of town) thought so too and she should have called adult services for her mom.
FAS
@@thespicychickennuggetyou are on the button. Severe neglect. Not only ofvthe mom but its obvious the sibblings are not mentally capable of caring for themselves .
Omg…. This poor woman was living in unimaginable agony. My heart breaks for her.💔
I have no doubt this paramedic testifying will never forget this patient. I’m sure it will haunt his dreams for years to come!
The other sister should be held responsible also. She saw her mom and it had to have smelled horribly. She never once uncovered her Mom to ck her condition when she came to visit.
She's lying
I can’t believe a nurse was not visiting on a regular basis.
I'm not sure if they had health insurance that would cover that kind of care. In the country where I am, we have "free health care" yet still have to pay out of pocket for a lot of services, like elder care.
They would have to know to visit. The daughter should have reported the living conditions, so she's just as responsible as her mentally incompetence siblings. I'm certain she cashed in off of her parents' deaths, though.
She needs go jail@@pcwash1974
THIS DOESN’T SEEM RIGHT!
It seems that the father neglected his wife, and when he died the two siblings continued to neglect their mother. My degrees are in psychology, and from the way that the two siblings appear they appear to be undeveloped, and they might have mental disorders. Karen Murray doesn’t appear 49, and Michael Murray doesn’t appear 43. They should have had psychological evaluations and IQ tests, before being charged with first degree murder, because they do not appear cognitively able to take care of themselves. Hopefully, their lawyers will appeal the verdict, and get them evaluated.
The father died after the mother three months later
If they proceeded with trial then they were most likely assessed. I am sure their lawyer asked for it
The father was alive when she died. He died afterwards.
This what I said even being nasty came from the mom herself because the older daughter said the house was always nasty so that’s how they grew up
these two were confined to the house having to take care of their elderly father & bedridden mother, and you can see the toll it took on them.
the middle sister left the house, went to college, had the freedom to live her life happily and you can see the extreme contrast in wellness/ mental health between her & the 2 siblings.
These siblings do NOT look like they could have even taken care of themselves. 1st degree murder? Come on.
They are of color, are you really surprised at the charges????..... If they have to charge them then charge them with manslaughter
Yes. It’s excessive. They seem mentally unwell.
Why are they calling them kids when they’re damn near 50 years old. SMH.
yes but they are the 'kids of those seniors'.
@@neikystephenson4401and they have the mentality of kids.
It takes a very long time for mold to grow on excretions.
Poor dear Ms. Sheila 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
In the arms of the angels. 🙏🙏🙏
Justice for Sheila!
Sure does I’ve found my dogs pop behind the couch that was old so this was neglect , it’s given mental issues to me
Justice for Ms Shelia🙏🏽⚘️🙏🏽⚘️🙏🏽
Depends on the conditions...also & what type of mold it was. With that being the case the every 90 day lady is lying & wasn't doing her job, properly...
Mold grows on anything rapidamente.
How did the older sister leave their mother in her siblings care? They clearly have mental issues. You can see it in their eyes that they aren’t well. So sad
The dad was also caring for her as well he died three months after the mom
She did not care.
The father was responsible for the mother, and he refused help from the older sister. This was a dysfunctional family. Plus, the older sister had her own kids to care for.
@@greeneyesista she was the middle sister
Not making excuses for the sister but she wanted to take mom to her home to care for her but dad, in his wisdom, refused.
Karen and Michael are the victims of an unhealthy “family system”. They were not equipped to care for their mother. This responsibility was too great for them. This should not be seen as a crime or judged as a murder.
That poor Woman had suffered greatly. I sincerely pray that She is Resting in Peace.
The part that hurts me the most is that she had to see the kids that she raised do this while she couldn’t do anything for however long it was.
Broken bone, dirty to the point of yeast infection, with dried urine and fecal matter and nonverbal. Could they be any more cruel? 😡
Absolutely horrendous and evil!
I worked with a girl that her mom was left in a recliner. She had such a bad bed sore that she was growing into the chair and had maggots on her. She knew her older brother was living there and supposedly took care of her. He went to prison for it. But the sister knew she wasn’t being treated well. Nothing happened to her. The firemen and EMT said the daughter knew and did nothing. SMDH
The thing is people do this a lot..they don’t care of sick people
The brother and sister have special needs they should have never been entrusted to care for this woman. Their sister on the other hand who was of sound mind. Turned a blind eye to the circumstances! She knew what was going on and that her brother and sister COULD NOT care for their mother. She just wanted no part no responsibility to her sick mother. If anyone should be held responsible it should be her. It’s absolutely disgusting. And the fact that the judge declared them mentally fit to stand trial is awful in itself.
@@kristenJacob727 if that’s true I won’t disagree. Were there determinations made citing diminished capacity?
Makes it difficult to believe the middle sibling who testified didnt notice a thing wrong when she came to visit. Seems she just didn't want to be bothered with it. 😢
that sounds about right
Thank you, EMT John Shelton for all you do to help so many! This is absolutely devastating. I can’t even to begin to imagine all that you have to see, some of the worst of the worst! This case is so so devastating. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this very tragic cases BUT. I have to say I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES 🙏 THANK YOU
Me too❤
Yes, thank you! As a former ER nurse, he and all of them hold a special place in my heart ❤
Hearing how she yelled in pain truly broke my heart. 😢
The children don’t look as if they were competent enough to care for mom - the husband was responsible and he’s now deceased so if the defendants shall face anything it should be assistance with their mental health
Prior to becoming a nurse practitioner, I was a registered nurse and worked in home care for many years. Caring for patients like the victim is not easy. They are full care and require skilled nursing or at the very least a qualified home health aid. I came across so many elderly patients who were neglected because families didn’t have the funds to hire care and they, themselves were not qualified to provide such care. Moving the patients every 2 hours, massaging their muscles, moving their joints, moisturizing their skin, feeding them, providing proper hygiene. It’s not easy and it is a lot to do on a daily basis. Insurance companies should pay for this type of care but they don’t, you have to pay for a separate policy if you want this type of care. Unless a patients condition is so bad that it requires medical attention, your out of luck. What this poor woman went through is horrible. Our country needs to get our healthcare situation straight.
Sadly in half the nursing homes they DNT get skin care or muscle movement. They r lucky to get regular diaper changes
@@shellyanders8950 So so sad....:(
Patient neglect is rampant in nursing homes and hospitals where insurance companies and sometimes private paying patients are billed for thousands of dollars per month. My grandmother paid over $10,000 per month in a nursing home.
@@PamelaKay1827 Yeap. My friend is having to pay $18K/month to keep her Mom in one. So sad and pathetic.
This is worse than I thought. The father was a retired policeman, veteran and to think he allowed his wife to be in this shape. Also the other daughter testified and I’m surprised they did not arrest her. Likely because she did not live in the home. She stated when she visited she had a cover over her. 🙄
Can she not smell?
I was a home health nurse in my area. Home health care is free for patients who can’t afford it! This was poor negligence by her husband and the daughter who would visit this poor woman! It’s absolutely outrageous that this woman was left to basically rot to death! 😡😡
She is just as responsible but did not want to be responsible for her mother's care.
@@constancewashington9019The older sister who testified did not live in the same area as the mother!
Agree! How would you not check her from head to toe? That's your mama! I honestly feel like it comes down to the husband...he was the decision maker, and feel like he put the possibility of losing the home over her receiving quality care. It's sad that was has only options too.
When the lawyer objected to letting the sister testify about her brother's mental evaluations and the judge sustained it i was surprised. Wouldn't that make a difference if his mental state was evaluated and something was found. Mental illness would be a factor in being anke to properly care for someone. This is very disturbing.
It's called poor and black
What a nice man it must of been so hard to walk into that scene. You guys do an incredible job trying to saves lives. Thank you for your all your services. You are such an important part of our society.
Must have.
Why is there even a criminal case in this matter? These siblings cannot be held accountable. Why is this even a murder trial ?
Absolutely 💯
It may come out during trial that the adult children were living like this their whole lives and were themselves neglected as children. And that the state neglected all of them. I hope we see change in the system from this trial. How many families does this represent?
I live locally to this, and there is a shocking amount of households that are similar. It's like generational shut ins.
It's not the system's fault. There was help available if they wanted it. They didn't. People need to be nurtured when infants, so they can grow up to be nurturers themselves. Otherwise, we're all just cruel, uncaring zombies.
@@chrisblevins5143 really sad. It’s our culture.
@@TheRapnep they did not want help or they were doing whatever dad said?
These kids didn't know any better, period.
That poor woman must have been in so much pain. RIP.
Who in their right mind thought this sister and brother could be responsible for the care of their mother? I place some of the blame on the older sibling and the Nurse Practitioner. Poor communication within the family and nobody cared. This is sad, why even put them thru a trial. Where will they go when convicted? Prison?
68 is not that old! I'm 65 and couldn't imagine my children doing this to me, she must have had serious health issues 😢
I wouldnt let them care for me, sad but true.
Exactly I'm 65 also and my kids would never do this. Sad😢
68 certainly is not old.
I know!!!! An elderly woman?! 68 is not that old but enduring physical and Emotional abuse for years will age. They aren’t kids!!! Judge please don’t mislead by calling these ppl kids. Grown ass adults! This is shameful
Not just the ones alive or in the house are responsible for this.
These two adults look like they could not even take care of themselves. Shame that they were found guilty. Social services and the other adult sister should also be blamed.
Exactly. The father was mostly at fault. Then the sister. Then the system. Then the two who are literally not capable of being legally responsible to properly care for a bedridden old lady.
Sad all around.
THANK YOUUUUU!
No they should absolutely be charged. They were of sound mind to take her checks, but not care for her? Nah. they knew.
@@toniwesley4467 🎯🎯👏👏👍💯
Were they getting paid to take care of their mother?@@toniwesley4467
Whom ever in that house was not completely mentally gone, was morally responsible to speak up.
Why can't CourtTV just play the entire trial instead of just bits and pieces of a witness?????
The he whole thing is usually on TH-cam not sure about this one!
You can watch the entire thing on their website.
Right now, they’re really watching the Read trial. That one has the potential for huge ratings when the verdict comes in and probably for hours afterward.
How about thank you! For the free video! The free content! For which you have done absolutely nothing! They offer trials. Go find them!
Totally agree. I enjoy watching the trials in their entirety and drawing my own conclusions without all the interruptions.
they look deranged. that poor lady smh
Yep
Yes, they definitely look mentally deficient. The male appears to be glaring at the EMS worker as he testifies.
“Feel sad for them”?! Is she for real? The only sadness is for the mother that endured evil levels of abuse and neglect for a long time.
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I hate that they were put in the position to have to take care of their mom by their dad. It was a poor decision on his part, and it ended up causing their poor mom to fall victim to their incompetencies so yes, it is sad, because these children were forced to take care of their mom, by their dad, and they didn't have a clue how to do that. You noticed their sister keep saying she "believed they did the best they could" She knew full well they're developmentally disabled and incapable of taking care of her. She had a responsibility as well; she was her mom too. She was too large for them to handle her to do what needed to be done. At bare minimum the other sister should've contacted Social Services to override her dad and his stubbornness to get her the care she needed. What's sad are the extent of the charges, Neglect sure, I can understand but I don't believe they murdered their mom. The harsh charges are given to the poor and black people. If it were wealthy white people, that chose to care for the mom at home and this happened we wouldn't be seeing this trial.
Maybe she was a crappy mother. Sometimes the chickens come home to roost.
@sheyj6307 This case is so horrible and sad no matter what color they are!
Smh
It's tragic all around. They look like adults but clearly have learning, and cognitive issues that put them probably at the age of a kid under 10 years old Have they been accessed by educational psychologists and other professionals to determine their mental capacity? It appears the Father ruled the roost. Why didn't the other family member alert the appropriate authorities? A duty of care falls to everyone to report if they witness or suspect neglect of a vulnerable adult. I think this family has struggled for a long time before this happened.
The fact that the victim was found with fecal matter, urine and malnourished tells you no one cared for her in the least. My sister has Cerebral Palsy and is paralyzed. We keep her immaculately clean. There is no bad odor in our home. People are surprised when visiting that there is no evidence of an incontinent person living here. There’s no need. ALSO, unless you have substantial money there are ways to get necessary nursing home coverage. It’s done every day! Defense offered Kane excuses! There used to be no excuse for this! Imagine the pain , hunger and suffering that poor soul endured!
I'm not buying that they couldn't have gotten help . These are the very people the state helps those with no income but they would of had to find employment of course until then they would of had food stamps coming out the wazoo Tenn care you name it . This was just lazy nothing more. I disagree with those who say they do not look right in the head that's baloney because they would of had checks coming in and could of had more help. They could of even had housekeeping for free here in TN. They clean the main spots sweep floors take out trash exc. They just didn't want anyone coming into the world they had created . Mom and dad unable to tell them what to do . The woman was eating somehow I mean unless it was her feces idk
@@caseyconatser7926We’re those known facts? As far as their income etc? I’m puzzled by these two bc they don’t seem cared for themselves. Has there been an investigation into the mental health of the sis & bro? They could be sitting there with yeast infection and abnormalities themselves. They will need to testify for me to know where their cognitive capacity is.
I do agree with what you stated about the folks the social service Dept extends help to. Along with the recertifications of benefits there should be assessments made whether these individuals can work to earn food stamps and if they need medical attention mentally or physically
You nailed it baby to a T"No excuse "
@@daniellethomas2915You nailed it about required assessments.
Mom if you see this comment I promise you’ll always be takin care of
This woman had a whole husband at home with her who was working as a security guard and retired police officer. He neglected his wife and was the head of his household. Why are their children to blame for her death????
because he died shortly after
@@lasvegasbeetso they are blaming mentally unwell adults who look like children. This is sad overall.
@@Shayne_Tright!!!!!
The SECOND DAUGHTER DID NOTHING TO HELP HER MOTHER,SHE SHOULD BE FOUND GUITLTY ALSO! THEY ALL ARE "MONSTERS" @Shayne_T
Horrible and UNHUMAN!
This attorney sputters around too much!!
Why don’t you go handle the case since you seem to be qualified…as a YT user.
These are not kids! They are grown adults!!
@Jennifer Do you have kids?
They are calling them kids because they are the children of the victim, their mom. How else do you describe this? "The victims progeny"?
They don't look very adult to me.
He's 45 and she's 49.. They neglected their mother so much she suffered till the day she died.
@@sarahmurphy8030 They do not look like they are mentally fit, especially the man. I am looking forward to hearing more about the dad, as I listened the commentary that the dad was the one that was in charge of her care. Her children did what he would allow. Tragedy all around.
Where was the older sister??She knew that her siblings were not really able to care for the mother even if she lived somewhere else should could have asked a relative in the area or family friend to go check her mom each week??
The system has failed completely here. First, the father or husband refuses help from the other and only healthy daughter. The dad was the only one here with legal authority over his wife, not the said children. Why was not health care offered? Where were home services with a nurse coming daily. Where were the doctors to put home care in place from the beginning? Where were social services? The system failed here, and the family should be using not being charged for allowing mentally ill adults to care for their mother when they clearly can not care for themselves
BS she had open wounds all over and an open fracture, eye infection, neck infection. Not just used to filth.
These “kids” are 45 and 49. They knew or should have known
How If they’re delayed? Chronologically they’re 45 and 49 but mentally they might be 10. Clearly! They are delayed.
@@George_TropicanaI agree with you. These siblings seem “odd” to me, especially the boy. I say “boy” because he just acts much younger than his age. I’m not sure he can even follow what’s being said.
The dad was there too. He took care of her with the help of the "kids". I believe this is a case of severe neglect rather than deliberate abuse. The other sibling (living out of town) thought so too and she should have called adult services for her mom.
Do they look like, they know, to you? They look mentally disabled
43 and 49. Still old enough to know better
These are GROWN Adults and yes they are the kids of the Victim
Chronologically yes. They both appear to be cognitively impaired. The question becomes who truly thought they were competent to care for her? How did medical
Professionals leave her in that hovel? These two are sadly, not even capable of caring for themselves appropriately.
Me and my aunt was our grandma home provider and we had help with my other aunt's and cousins. We took turns to take care our grandma. We had loads of clothes and pads and sheets we had to watch every day. My grandma had food to eat. She eat 3 times a day and snacks. We had her nurses come every day. And the doctors would give my grandma prescriptions and we go pick them up. She had her potty chair and her walker next to her bed and someone would be next to her so she wouldn't fall. We took care of our grandma. And plus I was my mom home provider also. . Then she wanted to go into the nursing home and we had cameras in her room. And every weekend we would bring my mom home for the weekends. It was hard work but we love our mother and grandma. We took good care of them both.
I just want to watch the trial without all the interruptions from these two talking heads. How do I make that happen?
At some point of her life she had children, how did she get this way, just curious? I wonder what type of mom she was and the mentality of her children?
Right!!!!
What I don’t understand here is how various people visited the home months before she died and didn’t see anything amiss, despite the place being a dump full of trash for years and the lady’s bed was soaked in urine, as she was covered in fecal matter. That didn’t happen in a few days!
Why isn't MENTAL HEALTH being focused on ???
I worked for a hospice before I had to retire and our RNs and CNAs walked into situations like this with other people living in the filth with their terminal family member. We would have to call Adult Protective Services. It was horrible.
The young man wax having trouble staying awake, he is 40?
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They both lost a lot of weight since they went to jail .
If they didn’t know they was doing wrong then why did they cancel the nurses visit?
Exactly 💯
Yep. And I find it difficult to believe the middle sibling who testified didn't notice a thing wrong when she came to visit. I don't believe that one bit. 😢
@@mommyof3_908 Exactly 💯💯💯
The father probably thought he had to pay for the services. Some people don't know about seeking health care for there loved ones. The nurses should have reported the problem and got a case worker to assist. Lack of knowledge plays a huge part in this.
@@sentenmad69 I was always told, ignorance is dangerous.
It is obvious to me that Karen and Michael have some mental delays or appear autistic and were never fit to care for their mother let alone themselves. Because nurses aids visited the home, some one at some point found it necessary for the mother to receive inhome care. Saying that, one can't ignore the fact that these nurses were not reporting the conditions of the home nor the mother. Or maybe they did, and the hospital or doctor ignored them. Neglect should fall on the medical professionals.
Great advocate for why universal health care is so vital. You got a stroke victim who can’t go into nursing care because her family can’t afford it. Husband dies and now she’s left with two adult children that are clearly mentally disabled and unable to care for even themselves. If we had proper health care in this country that women would have had proper care and her kids would have been in assisted living.
Under those circumstances, yes, society would be the failure.
And who is going to foot this bill? These two" mentally disabled" adults are already riding free.
There is free healthcare! If you can’t afford care as the elderly woman could not government healthcare would have paid for her to be in a nursing home facility. But there are some horrible requirements, such as you can’t have a savings account or own a home. It’s so wrong about the requirements!!
@@Mellypepper who's sopose to foot this free health care ?
The Government destroys and corrupts everything it touches.
I will take a hard pass on the govt telling me how and when I will receive healthcare.
That is not to say that there isn’t room for change in our current situation.
He looks 40 to me in his mug shot … he’s lost weight to make himself look ill, and the sister definitely looks 49 or older
40 and 45
And the mandatory glasses. Surprised hes not wearing a rented suit and tie.
Loss weight from worry
@@KimberlyBishhhairdo's don't help
This prosecutor looks like she didn’t write her questions down. Just going off the top of her head.
This prosecutor is getting on my nerves
The why is she looking down at something?
Not very intelligent, maybe got her degree on threat.
@@KimberlyBishhoh stop it. Her style is just different.
@KimberlyBishh What law school did you go to and bar did you pass?
COME ONNNNN
What child wouldn't be FN AWARE of self care of their mother, moaning... a compound fracture..
WAKE UP
ARE THERE ANY SANE ADULTS in this obvious neglect case..
Can't entertain another minute
Please STOP CALLING THEM KIDS!! They are adults!
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Their have the mind of kids.
Stop doing that also, that has never been determined! @@ReneeR877
That's not been determined @@ReneeR877
People need to know that if they are overwhelmed by an ill persons care, call Department of Social and health services to assist in getting your parent an assisted living situation so professionals can take care of her/him! It's hard for anyone so please ask for help!!
"They weren't taught proper hygiene"! LIE!!! They knew enough to state to the EMS that they were "doing the best they can", because they knew it was bad in that house...they knew! Also, when you defecate, vomit and urinate, you know to clean it up! When a bone is broken and sticking out of the skin you know to get help soon as possible. Their poor mother!!! They knew!!!
That was the FATHER, her retired police officer HUSBAND who said that. And obviously he said that bc he knew DAMN WELL that she wasnt being cared for at ALL. And he continuously insisted on handling her care. Took her out of the nursing home, refused to let the middle daughter take her to her home, yea. He was her carer, likely bc these adult kids couldnt care for her let alone themselves. And every one in that family knew it. It's just sad that these two who look completely mentally disabled are the ones to take the full blame, and not the main care giver husband or the well educated, mentally stable middle child.
@@meganyoung. That was never determined that they were mentally challenged or disabled!
@@meganyoung. that was all of them. Not just the father. Give me a break.
@@melissabenson6749 I'm confused by ur wording...are you saying no one ever determined if they were competent, that that no one ever tested them? Or that they were, in fact tested, and that they were proven to be competent?
@@meganyoung. They were extensively interviewed & also went by evidence of proper drug levels in the blood that were administered by the daughter & many other things. They didn't need testing they're perfectly normal w/normal intelligence!
How did she break her ankle?😮
Give me a break! Family not hygienic? Thats some b.s. there, if they all didnt have yeast infections and sleep on beds with crap, come on !
Didn’t they call the ambulance so they did get help. It’s horrible! Poor woman but her kids were way in over their head. Don’t think they were too smart.
you think……….
Kids?? ??? Dont look like kids to me! 12:03
I thought the same. I think they are in their 30’s or 40’s.
48 and 49 I saw from another person on here...
He is 45 and she is 49. Adults
As a fellow emt (also went to a-emt school), I see the look, I get the same one from time to time. Some of the things we see keeps us up at night. The memories of them just never go away.
Why wasn't in home health care workers involved? Hospitals are very good at connecting these services when a patient is not able to care for themselves, even offering help to family care providers!
They actually aren't. And you usually have to pay for it yourself and most people don't want to pay. Either the elderly person doesn't want to pay or in this case the kids probably didn't want to pay
@@shannonrusso3853actually, due to her age, she was receiving Social Security and Medicare. Medicare does pay for several hours per week of home health care and housekeeping services!
The system is broken. Very little help, very expensive.
I work in mental health and it is just insanely difficult to coordinate for home healthcare (among every other type of medical care!). Sometimes insurance denies it even when the person is disabled physically or mentally and unable to work. It is so bad. And hospitals don't often help, you have to do forms and interviews and contact the right places to get any of these services. It is hard for anyone, let alone someone with disabilities and limited resources, to get these done. I have had people that are extremely disabled and they still get denied. Also lack of funding and lack of staff because they/we aren't getting paid enough.
@@emmarie2930That is not always true. My best friend was able to get her sister in a home quickly but she put in the work to do so. Visiting the homes and seeking out help. She also did not pay , the state pays through the medical. You just have to put in the work to look. Likely these siblings wanted moms money and Did not want her sent to a home .
How can they step in and make changes if they’re delayed? They are slooooow. They do not get it. They needed a non delayed person to be in charge of them, to be their advocate. They did not do this intentionally or to hurt their mother (In my opinion). They just don’t understand. They don’t need to be jailed, they need help. AND STOP CALLING THEM PITIFUL! That is so ignorant! 😡
Rubbish...they chose to leave her to rot...they didnt feed her, she was skin n bone...she had zero care for weeks n weeks. Her breast was squished under her right arm....thats weeks of not moving... its indefencable the state this poor woman was in...dried vomit on her tshirt!!! Dried mouldy feacal matter... thats disgusting!!! They should never have had the care of this poor woman...the dad died...3 months post the mothers death in hospital, so the care was up to these two adults...NOT KIDS!!!!! They allowed her to die in horror conditions...how did she get the compound ankle fracture??? so many injuries from lack of care...they both deserve life and lessons on how to live hygienically...ie have a shower daily.
The dad was there too. He took care of her with the help of the "kids". I believe this is a case of severe neglect rather than deliberate abuse. The other sibling (living out of town) thought so too and she should have called adult services for her mom.
They understood to spend her money now didn't they??A ten yr old could see she needed help so stop with the excuses. I haven't heard anything that they are both mentally disabled.
They know right from wrong
@@chetyoubetya8565exactly! They were competent enough to call 911, to cancel the mother’s appointments, and to clean themselves. There’s no documentation on any sort of delay
I notice quite a few comments about how awful the kids are for doing this to their Mother because they are grown children. There is no way that the son looks like he is 40. There is definitely something wrong here. They also don’t look like a full shilling. I heard the sister from another county testify and she seems the only child that is normal(don’t mean to offend anyone). She tried to intervene and her Father would not have it. Why are the children on trial if they were schooled by the Father? To me it sounds as if they knew no difference.
very sad case ...disability is cruel ... there is more to this yes they are accountable but not fully responsible .. something is missing guys
its madness who else knew?
I agree
To me, the old man acknowledged that he knew it was bad when he said they were doing the best they could, which they weren’t because it doesn’t take a to change a person, give them a sponge bath, call an ambulance when there’s a BONE sticking out
As a retired clinical social psychologist coming from Dublin Eire, I am shocked first by the moms condition as outlined in opening statement if true. However, I am also flabbergasted to realise that this brother and sister have been declared fit to stand trial. Looking at their basic demeanor, they both appear to be suffering from some form of mental disability. Surly social care team dealing with elderly visit to check their suitability to care for their eldery parents? Was the family home assessed to be clean and have suitable home facilities?
Have ambulance/fire staff report to the hospital or alert police or social workers of the state to the appalling living conditions before the father dying?
Have prosecutors legally assessed are this brother and sister competent to stand trial?
Will the social workers or psychologist of this brother and sister be called to give evidence?
Where is the responsibility of the elderly care team from the hospital or the state, have these services been involved with the family before this tragic death. Have social workers been involved with the family before parents deaths? If so what is their responsibility here?
So so sad case for all
So the husband was there...3 of them, why wasnt she in a facility.
The husband refused. To be put in a home the house would be used as collateral and he said no.
I'm confused too. Why wouldn't the husband (Thier father?) be charged?
@@jillj303 He passed away after all this.
Some of these calls NEVER leave us.
Thank you for your service! Unimaginable!
Now these two adult children knew how to feed themselves ,,ripe there butts ,take a bath ,there no excuse to leave there mother in that kind of condition ,this is shameful ,
Umm says who because according to the sister they’ve been raised up nasty sooooo 🤷🏽♀️ like the man said they were taught not to properly clean
That’s abuse within itself. Abusing the mentally incompetent by blaming them for murder when human services had been in the home for home visits and interviews.
I agree 💯
So why Human Services didn't intervene?Aren't they trained for those types of situations?It's criminal they left her there with no competent help.
You can tell these two doesn’t have the mental capacity to care for someone in that state
Court TV. You lost me on this. There are just bits and pieces of testimony and “breaks” in the middle. Some of us prefer to simply watch the trial.
Absolutely shameful! Even the sister that moved away! How could they do this to their MOTHER!?!? 😢
It cuts off before his testimony is finished????? Come on, either let us watch the trial or don't. This is ridiculous!
Are you covering this live? I can’t find the lives for it. I want to watch this.
It will be covered LIVE on Court TV: court.tv/live - We will provide recaps on TH-cam!
Why do you have to join to be in a chat now its uncalled for to want money when we never had to pay before@COURTTV
You keep calling the siblings “kids.” Those are not children! They’re adults! Moreover, unless you’re seriously mentally disabled you know there is help for persons in the victim’s condition. Had she been taken to a hospital they would’ve known to refer to social services for help!
They are kids and children (of the victim). Not MINOR kids/children. But they are kids and children, indeed. Language is important! Vocabulary is essential.
Maybe they are drugged. And dressed them and other things to try to make them look simply?
Attorneys will advise clients how to dress and act to gain sympathy.
Think menendez brs
I understand the mother did not want to placed in any type of facility. It’s also been stated that they could not afford certain types of other services. How is that possible when the father served 10 years in the military, while married to this same lady? Veterans, as well as spouses, are provided physical health care and more with most of these services being free of charge.
Depends on how dad was discharged and I believe only veteran's health care is covered.
My daughter was covered until a certain age under DEERs with Tricare.
Unless the child is physically or mentally incompetent then parent takes over health care insurance for the child when no longer a minor.
I was a Vet for 20 and also worked in VA and dependents were no longer seen in VA; told this was because so many military from combat were coming in and they obviously had priority.
All they wanted was her social security check live or die I want my money it's mine they got what they wanted money.
Sad case. I believe state workers should have been named in the case. Anyone who went in the home and viewed the situation should have been held responsible. Why was she not sent to a Medicare funded nursing home? It takes a village - where are the other responsible parties in all this?
It would be interesting to see if they did bring charges against the other parties.