I feel for Reid so much in the episode he and JJ have always had a special bond, they’re younger than everyone else and really connected so I think he’s more hurt because she’s his best friend and that she could lie to him like that. Hotch is different because they have a different relationship Reid tells her everything so it makes complete sense why he’s upset plus I’m sure the trauma of being lied to and abandoned during his childhood is adding to it as well
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I didn't like prentiss' arguement at the end where she says ''I mourned the loss of 6 friends''... like they thought you were dead and you knew they're OK. There's a difference
I know right? It almost felt guilt-trippy in a way, and kinda dismissive of his feelings. Like, yeah you felt this way but what about me? I can't imagine that's what they wanted but it's just how it came across. Not to mention, Reid already has trauma related to abandonment, so I can't imagine finding out someone you mourned turned out to be alive and well is doing much for his mental health.
Thank you! That was bad writing. Grieving a dead friend and being apart from a group of friends is not equal. A better idea/missed opportunity: Reid distances himself from the team (treating them as coworkers, but not friends) so he doesn't have to risk feeling the heartache of losing them. It could have lasted a few episodes if not the whole season.
She wasn’t justifying it. She was just letting him know she didn’t have the best time either. She didn’t have a choice either. She died and Hotch and JJ made the decision and when she was healed, she was off to Paris with no say in the matter. She didn’t get to say goodbye either and she didn’t know if she’d ever see them again. They were her family and just like they lost her, she also lost them. No it’s not the same, but they all grieved a loss.
I agree there is a difference. I honestly think that line shouldn't exist. At the very least, I don't think it's something Emily would ever say to Reid. I think that scene should've addressed more than anything the idea that he considered taking dilaudid because Emily's death affected him that much. Especially since Emily was the one who he took out his anger on when he was taking dilaudid as she was expressing the most concern while everyone else was ignoring the fact that something was obviously wrong with him and who he later spoke to regarding his abandonment issues when Gideon left. Effectively replacing the loss of Gideon with Emily, imo. That scene should've been an acknowledgment of his feelings first and foremost. However, what I do get from that line of "losing 6 friends" no matter how badly written it is, is that Emily really thought she might never see any of them again as long as Doyle lived. In other words, even though she didn't die, she felt like she actually did die. She lost her friends, her job, the home she had made herself, her sense of safety/comfort, she had an ulcer likely caused from her surgeries after the doyle incident or just from stress, nightmares etc, they touch bases with other trauma she deals with throughout season 7 but that scene should've been a way to connect with Reid's own trauma (which they do this correctly in later episode) rather than it sounding like a numerical comparison of their losses.
Yeah I didn’t love that she basically said it wasn’t okay for him to be upset when it was perfectly normal and understandable and given time he would’ve gotten over it but I didn’t like that they rushed him
I agree with you on two points in this episode. Firstly, the actor who played Cy did a really good job at portraying the sadistic mentally-challenged character. Second, Cy does deserve the death penalty. He's not just criminally insane, it's eventually revealed that he's always been a psychopath, and he admitted it in his videos when he said "I enjoy hearing them scream" and talked about how he liked hitting his dog when he was a kid, and that feeling had not changed. He also had delusions of grandeur, always making things out to be bigger than they were, and even talked about things that had never happened, which was why Matt never believed him about Lyla until Lyla herself explained what really happened.
I understand Reid reaction, they are best friends, that is why he is mad at JJ and not Hotch, is a sense of betray of the trust they have, but it isnt serious, he could get over he just need more time, I am glad this work out quickly, also about this case is very disturbing when you see unsub enjoying the tortures, what he did to the last girl he kill is brutal, he deserve death penalty
I think something that really bothered me was that we had these scenes of Emily telling Morgan it's okay if he's angry, he's allowed to feel that way, etc. But when Reid actually expresses anger and hurt at it, everyone kinda dismisses it and wants him to just get over it.
@@Dazzlefae I completely agree, Morgan gets away with his emotional outbursts even to the detriment of the team because "he's the cool one" and don't get me started on Rossi. But Reid must always keep his emotions in, even when in severe distress, because he usually does. Forgetting that that is a trauma response to being abandoned by his dad, caring for his mother and being severely bullied throughout school. The handling of Reid's character is terrible 7/10 throughout this show.
Unpopular opinion: The Reid and JJ tension in this episode didn't last long enough for me. Reid was completely justified with his emotions and he should not have been so easily won over. While i agree that JJ is also justified, she was under government oath and personal oath to protect a friend, I dont believe this anger Reid felt should have been so easily resolved. I also harbor a little bit of anger towards JJ thinking Reid's anger was egotistical or arrogant when he has NEVER been either of those things and she knows that good and well.
It's weird to me that everyone goes on about how great a profiler JJ is when in this first episode of her as a profiler, she...epicly fails at it. Reid is the godfather of her child, she should know him better than anyone. She should've known that he had every right to be emotional about Emily's sudden rebirth and upset that JJ deceived him (he's aware they had to, but his feelings are still normal and expected). And then she handles it in the worst way possible. She confronts him and basically gloats that she managed to deceived him. It was beyond cruel. She's actually cocky cause she thinks she's a good liar (she's not), but the only reason he never knew was because he could never fathom her lying to him about the death of their best friend. And you're right, why would she ever think that Reid was being egotistical when he has never been. He allowed himself to be vulnerable with her which is hard for him, and she doesn't even understand why he feels betrayed? He thought they were sharing grief, but she was pretending. And then, despite him sobbing into her arms for 10 weeks, she doesn't ever consider that a recovering drug addict going through grief is vulnerable to a relapse? What kind of profiling is that? Hotch should've known that too, but he doesn't spend much time with Reid outside of work. Sorry for the para, just needed to get this off my chest.
I agree completely. I understand that JJ truly couldn't tell Reid but she was completely wrong about why he was angry. He was hurting so badly that he was tempted to take drugs for relief and she made it about her. I felt like they resolved it too quickly but I assume they did to progress the season. He eventually would have accepted that she couldn't tell him, but I would have taken more time to process his feelings.
He may be menataly challeglenged but he knew what he was doing, he was cruel, he did know what his actions would do, he knews what death is, he knew he was killing them, he said he liked things he did to them, he was revengful and manipulative. So yeah for me he should be proces like sane person, his mental health should be left out.
Especially since his disability has nothing to do with him being a murderer, being disabled doesn’t make u kill people. He’s a murderer who just so happens to also be disabled
This episode always got to me cause Cy is what me & my sister call each other except we spell it “Si” cause one of us went to say “sister” one day but pronounced it “Cy-ster”.
I think both jj and reid’s reactions/feeling are valid but it was so unfair and cruel to lowkey threaten jj with the idea that he could have been using Dilaudid again
i feel for reid because he literally trusted JJ, being so vulnerable around her and cry at her house for 10 weeks, when she knew the whole time what happened. i’m not blaming JJ, she did what she had to do but reid’s anger was justified.
what could worked if they had reid pissed at jj for 6 months. i hated hotch and jj not giving a damn about Reids feelings they played with his feelings for 6 months let him feel how he wants to feel now.
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I just want to say Prentiss excuse is BS. "I lost 6 friends" you knew they were alive and that they didnt die. Spencer on the kther hand didnt. Do not compare yourself to Spence lol
I'm sorry but I disagree with the consensus here. Spencer is old enough and smart enough to understand why he should not have been privy to Prentiss's "death" secret. If it was not believable then Doyle would have known the truth. He was acting like a child toward JJ BECAUSE they're friends.
he can know why he didn't know and still be hurt. Finding out the person you cried to about a friends death knew they were alive the whole time hurts. That's the thing about this fight, neither was wrong.
“I don’t have a house, I have a mansion.” He says ever so casually lol 😂
I feel for Reid so much in the episode he and JJ have always had a special bond, they’re younger than everyone else and really connected so I think he’s more hurt because she’s his best friend and that she could lie to him like that. Hotch is different because they have a different relationship Reid tells her everything so it makes complete sense why he’s upset plus I’m sure the trauma of being lied to and abandoned during his childhood is adding to it as well
The way you smiled and your eyes shined in the last scene is exactly why this show is special. These characters are so amazing together and season 7 is such a gift for the fans ❤
I didn't like prentiss' arguement at the end where she says ''I mourned the loss of 6 friends''... like they thought you were dead and you knew they're OK. There's a difference
I know right? It almost felt guilt-trippy in a way, and kinda dismissive of his feelings. Like, yeah you felt this way but what about me? I can't imagine that's what they wanted but it's just how it came across. Not to mention, Reid already has trauma related to abandonment, so I can't imagine finding out someone you mourned turned out to be alive and well is doing much for his mental health.
Thank you! That was bad writing. Grieving a dead friend and being apart from a group of friends is not equal. A better idea/missed opportunity: Reid distances himself from the team (treating them as coworkers, but not friends) so he doesn't have to risk feeling the heartache of losing them. It could have lasted a few episodes if not the whole season.
She wasn’t justifying it. She was just letting him know she didn’t have the best time either. She didn’t have a choice either. She died and Hotch and JJ made the decision and when she was healed, she was off to Paris with no say in the matter. She didn’t get to say goodbye either and she didn’t know if she’d ever see them again. They were her family and just like they lost her, she also lost them. No it’s not the same, but they all grieved a loss.
I agree there is a difference. I honestly think that line shouldn't exist. At the very least, I don't think it's something Emily would ever say to Reid. I think that scene should've addressed more than anything the idea that he considered taking dilaudid because Emily's death affected him that much. Especially since Emily was the one who he took out his anger on when he was taking dilaudid as she was expressing the most concern while everyone else was ignoring the fact that something was obviously wrong with him and who he later spoke to regarding his abandonment issues when Gideon left. Effectively replacing the loss of Gideon with Emily, imo. That scene should've been an acknowledgment of his feelings first and foremost.
However, what I do get from that line of "losing 6 friends" no matter how badly written it is, is that Emily really thought she might never see any of them again as long as Doyle lived. In other words, even though she didn't die, she felt like she actually did die. She lost her friends, her job, the home she had made herself, her sense of safety/comfort, she had an ulcer likely caused from her surgeries after the doyle incident or just from stress, nightmares etc, they touch bases with other trauma she deals with throughout season 7 but that scene should've been a way to connect with Reid's own trauma (which they do this correctly in later episode) rather than it sounding like a numerical comparison of their losses.
Yeah I didn’t love that she basically said it wasn’t okay for him to be upset when it was perfectly normal and understandable and given time he would’ve gotten over it but I didn’t like that they rushed him
I feel for victims and dad, my reaction is similar to him, he loved his brother and didnt see his mental problem as bad, and this happens, so tragic.
I agree with you on two points in this episode. Firstly, the actor who played Cy did a really good job at portraying the sadistic mentally-challenged character. Second, Cy does deserve the death penalty. He's not just criminally insane, it's eventually revealed that he's always been a psychopath, and he admitted it in his videos when he said "I enjoy hearing them scream" and talked about how he liked hitting his dog when he was a kid, and that feeling had not changed. He also had delusions of grandeur, always making things out to be bigger than they were, and even talked about things that had never happened, which was why Matt never believed him about Lyla until Lyla herself explained what really happened.
I agree with the death penalty. Cy has issues, but ultimately knows exactly what he is doing.
Hotch smiled! It's a rare enough occurrence that it has to be called out.
Ah! The comment that I was looking for 😁
This episode gave me nightmares the first time I watched it. I can't believe he would do this to his own niece...
“LIE-lah!!” & “I don’t have a house, I have a mansion.” Are my two favorite lines from this show. I still say them both to this day.😭
Your face this episode said it all.
I understand Reid reaction, they are best friends, that is why he is mad at JJ and not Hotch, is a sense of betray of the trust they have, but it isnt serious, he could get over he just need more time, I am glad this work out quickly, also about this case is very disturbing when you see unsub enjoying the tortures, what he did to the last girl he kill is brutal, he deserve death penalty
I think something that really bothered me was that we had these scenes of Emily telling Morgan it's okay if he's angry, he's allowed to feel that way, etc. But when Reid actually expresses anger and hurt at it, everyone kinda dismisses it and wants him to just get over it.
@@Dazzlefae I completely agree, Morgan gets away with his emotional outbursts even to the detriment of the team because "he's the cool one" and don't get me started on Rossi. But Reid must always keep his emotions in, even when in severe distress, because he usually does. Forgetting that that is a trauma response to being abandoned by his dad, caring for his mother and being severely bullied throughout school.
The handling of Reid's character is terrible 7/10 throughout this show.
I remember seeing this when I was like 12 and Cy scared the shit out of me. He still does
Unpopular opinion: The Reid and JJ tension in this episode didn't last long enough for me. Reid was completely justified with his emotions and he should not have been so easily won over. While i agree that JJ is also justified, she was under government oath and personal oath to protect a friend, I dont believe this anger Reid felt should have been so easily resolved. I also harbor a little bit of anger towards JJ thinking Reid's anger was egotistical or arrogant when he has NEVER been either of those things and she knows that good and well.
It's weird to me that everyone goes on about how great a profiler JJ is when in this first episode of her as a profiler, she...epicly fails at it. Reid is the godfather of her child, she should know him better than anyone. She should've known that he had every right to be emotional about Emily's sudden rebirth and upset that JJ deceived him (he's aware they had to, but his feelings are still normal and expected). And then she handles it in the worst way possible. She confronts him and basically gloats that she managed to deceived him. It was beyond cruel. She's actually cocky cause she thinks she's a good liar (she's not), but the only reason he never knew was because he could never fathom her lying to him about the death of their best friend. And you're right, why would she ever think that Reid was being egotistical when he has never been. He allowed himself to be vulnerable with her which is hard for him, and she doesn't even understand why he feels betrayed? He thought they were sharing grief, but she was pretending. And then, despite him sobbing into her arms for 10 weeks, she doesn't ever consider that a recovering drug addict going through grief is vulnerable to a relapse? What kind of profiling is that? Hotch should've known that too, but he doesn't spend much time with Reid outside of work.
Sorry for the para, just needed to get this off my chest.
I agree completely. I understand that JJ truly couldn't tell Reid but she was completely wrong about why he was angry. He was hurting so badly that he was tempted to take drugs for relief and she made it about her. I felt like they resolved it too quickly but I assume they did to progress the season. He eventually would have accepted that she couldn't tell him, but I would have taken more time to process his feelings.
facts it should have been 6 months
He may be menataly challeglenged but he knew what he was doing, he was cruel, he did know what his actions would do, he knews what death is, he knew he was killing them, he said he liked things he did to them, he was revengful and manipulative. So yeah for me he should be proces like sane person, his mental health should be left out.
Especially since his disability has nothing to do with him being a murderer, being disabled doesn’t make u kill people. He’s a murderer who just so happens to also be disabled
This episode always got to me cause Cy is what me & my sister call each other except we spell it “Si” cause one of us went to say “sister” one day but pronounced it “Cy-ster”.
Both of the actors playing the parents were in "Lost". He was Walts stepfather (Brian) and she was was Bonnie who gave Charlie the code.
This was a good episode it is a good way to continue what happened in the premiere
This bad guy is so so crazy and messed up. The acting is incredible.
Such a disturbing episode but I also feel so sad for Reid, I'm glad they talked and he seemed to be better.
cy’s actor is great def creeped me tf out if a lot of his scenes
This episode is horrifying. But I love the love you have for our team ❤
Wow what an Unexpected Treat this Saturday Bones and Criminal Minds❤❤❤ This episode always makes my skin crawl.
Logan is getting better in "profiling" about unsub types and when they don't show unsub who unsub may be😆
This was the furst ever eoisode I saw when I was 5, and I never forgot it. While it wasn't the most disturbing, it scared me since I was small.
I think both jj and reid’s reactions/feeling are valid but it was so unfair and cruel to lowkey threaten jj with the idea that he could have been using Dilaudid again
This episode put me off Criminal Minds for a long while.
Again MY favorite season!!!
I would give him the death Penalty too.
i feel for reid because he literally trusted JJ, being so vulnerable around her and cry at her house for 10 weeks, when she knew the whole time what happened. i’m not blaming JJ, she did what she had to do but reid’s anger was justified.
This guy is like if Chris-Chan or Richard Kuta was a serial killer
I know the actor who plays Cy from Weeds which I feel like you'd enjoy if you haven't seen it. He plays a terrifying unsub.
what could worked if they had reid pissed at jj for 6 months. i hated hotch and jj not giving a damn about Reids feelings they played with his feelings for 6 months let him feel how he wants to feel now.
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ben bradstone is so creepy
I just want to say Prentiss excuse is BS. "I lost 6 friends" you knew they were alive and that they didnt die. Spencer on the kther hand didnt. Do not compare yourself to Spence lol
I'm sorry but I disagree with the consensus here. Spencer is old enough and smart enough to understand why he should not have been privy to Prentiss's "death" secret. If it was not believable then Doyle would have known the truth. He was acting like a child toward JJ BECAUSE they're friends.
he can know why he didn't know and still be hurt. Finding out the person you cried to about a friends death knew they were alive the whole time hurts. That's the thing about this fight, neither was wrong.
Exactly I agree Stephanie