My Worst Game Dev Job
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, I talk about the development of Crowdsorcerer, a Discord bot that allows users to create predictions and cast votes on their likelihood (essentially a way to crowdsource “accurate” predictions of events by averaging public responses). This wasn’t for a game jam devlog or a “Making a Game in 1 Week or 24 Hours” video, though-it was actually freelance work for a big TH-camr that ended up being somewhat questionable…
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--Chapters--
0:00 Intro
0:42 The Beginning
1:25 Core
2:43 The Offer
4:03 Making the Bot
5:05 Quitting
--Music--
"Cipher'" - LEMMiNO ( • LEMMiNO - Cipher (BGM) )
"Glider" - INTL.CMD ( / intlcmd )
"Wallpaper" - Kevin Macleod (incompetech.com)
"Seasons" - INTL.CMD ( / intlcmd )
"Getting it Done" - Kevin Macleod (incompetech.com)
"Operatic 3" - Vibe Mountain ( • 🎵 Operatic 3 - Vibe Mo... )
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Amogus
Heart me because...
Yes
@@stefanandrejevic2570 shut up
@@stefanandrejevic2570
A mangoes
@@GMJ7320 no u
I bet they didn't even download core using the link in the description
Hallo mayro lmao how are you here
we got number 2 checked marked boi
Qwag
At least quag did it right?
lol
i can pay you in exposure trust me
Hehe I saw you in the discord
Hehe I saw you in Mario
@@BananaWasTaken omg pls no
I saw you in discord noice .
"Ok Google, what is the exchange rate for exposure to USD?"
"0"
The hardest thing I did in my career was just recently. I quoted $30/hr for my work. It isn’t astronomical but it was uncomfortable not to say “whatever you think is fair!” They didn’t even flinch. No negotiation, agreed and we moved forward. Thanks for sharing! I think many of us can relate.
thats great for u dude.
As a programmer in the west working on commission you can easily ask 60$-100$ per hour depending on complexity and your skillset. 30$ is a steal.
@@williehrmann no way fr?
Depends on what field of software engineering you work in. $30/hr is a steal for most of them though (Unless you're a jr. game dev, since game devs get paid less & juniors less than that).
@@williehrmann well if you're an outsourcer working let's say in Eastern Europe or India, 30$/hr is like earning 100$/hr in the west. This is why many companies go for cheaper labor outside of US or Western Europe.
It reminds me when I was paid about $7 a video when I was editing for this horribly clickbait roblox youtuber, who did fake robux scams and giveaways, stretched out the content too much, etc.
It took me about 8-10 hours a video. At the time I didn't have a channel, and since he had 100,000 subscribers, I only did it because it felt like an "honor", and I was 14 didn't need to make a living or anything. It was okay, but it was definitely hard.
Yoo hi horizon
So doesnt that mean u also play roblox ?
@@thatonekid4717 well of course not, but he might. He’s mainly a Minecraft content creator so I have no clue. But man, that would suck lol
Yoma
dam
wait... Y’all are getting paid???
Always have been.
🔫
@@R0TEK I rate the meme format 😉
Wait you gay paidhow much for doing internship at Faang company ?
Amogus
As someone who has written multiple programming tutorials over a couple of months, at $3/hour, I know your pain. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to publish the tutorials in my own name, it sucks so much.
3 DOLLARS AN HOUR? Darn, i feel bad.
@@ArchFly Yeah, my contract with the guy finally ended when he started getting impatient with my return time on projects.
OOOOH, THAT HURTS. and not even being credited is a giant red flag, taking all credit for an entire operation, you'd think that they at least credit devs individually, but they're flat, left out.
yeah that was me with video editing I was getting paid 2 per video
Why? Couldn’t you just do something minimum wage that would be better?
That bot sounded dope af why did they not like it lmao
Cuz they like to promote slave labor and unpaid labor
@@timedeos4320 that's not an anwser
hi glazing
@@codingidiot6754 hi codingidiot, or shall I say detailedteacheridiot
@@silentlm3861 no
The channel is "(Offical) Space". (The name is actually backwards, but he has the name filtered out in the comment section, so that's the only way it can be written without my comment being automatically deleted.)
Thanks!
lmao i was thinking you meant laciffo space
he really doesnt want someone who he hated to get flak..man is to civil..id of named the channel front and centre
is it the dude with the monkey pfp?
@@defnotisaiah3210 only ten videos? what’s up with this guy?
You should absolutely name the person who roped you in. While it may seem less professional, it would help other people stay away :/
*Bring forth the Reddit army*
I know inwant to know what million subbed youtuber i want to stay away from now after pulling something like this on a smaller creator
@@NovaAge right behind you commander!
the only problem is I'd expect a lot of people to just throw hate and nothing else
@@NovaAge the reddit army will need backup, we need the 4chan mafia on this case.
Bro how is this even legal lol
Idk honestly
Well I’m surprised to see you here
It isnt
It’s not😂😂
there is no how, just is
Man... I can relate. Personally had the same experience with video editing. Big channel (literally 4m subs) approaching 'young me' who is just baffled to be approached by such a big youtuber to work for them. So enthusiastic that I did not really consider what they actually paid me because I thought it was 'normal' and I was just happy enough to finally be recognized.
The name o the youtuber is official space
How did this guy get under the radar?
Hell ye
a lot of younger/new programmers don't fully understand their worth, as i experienced this first hand when programming on commission, a 3 week project for only 40$. hopefully people can realize the amount of work done is worth more from this vid
@@catalintoader9818 nope you must be confused with someone else
space offical
Mhm, this is very true
how much do you think it was supposed to be?
@@marshpenny what's a framework? sory am a noob programmer
When i heard Cicada 3301 i knew this was gonna be good
I didn't hear cicada 3301 where
@@pixelneeryt at the start the music is cicada 3301
@@KeneqYT no it's just a fan made song
You mean cipher?
@@dotnet9830 yeah it's made by lemmino
Y'know, good on you for getting out of that though. It's really difficult to turn down something when you're not that experienced and it's really impressive that you did.
I hope those people have learned something from this.
I've had a bad experience like this too. The managers of the projects were very unprofessional and didn't know what they wanted so they kept telling me to add, remove, or modify features that could have easily been implemented had they specified the first time. I ended up recoding a lot of the project and with all these modifications I did end up working under minimum wage. That was the last time I did a commission-based dev job.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always work on an hourly pay- no matter the project.
Thanks for the video Poly, hopefully it helps any new freelancers or developers!
Thanks Crimson! Well said :)
@@PolyMars hello
@Hamza Siddiqui Every... Job... When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
@@Cfomodz what about jobs that dont take hours or resolve quickly but take great effort and know how? What about consultations that may only take 1 hour or could take 3? What about commissions for art where it can either be quick or grueling? Not every job man, it depends on what gives due respect to the service.
@@noahboddie3482 When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
Great video! I really like the editing style, and the "story" (idk what else to call it) was very easy to follow! Keep it up!
that core thing sounds like a great way to re-live your experience of not getting paid for work.
XD moment
roblox moment
"You guys are getting paid?"
sdfg
Lemmino Music!
Why?
@@prcvl what do you mean "Why?"?
It's da beat!
yesss
Niggas be like, "he stole it from dream"
I like how you add links to more videos in the description, gives me more cool stuff to watch
Hey, this is really inspiring as a CS student who's looking into game development, just wanted to say I loved the video :)
Great advice. Set your rate up front and for fixed contact, were precisely what's included and don't bend without more money. It's not greedy, it's business.
this 👆
"I barely have 1,000 subscribers"
well buddy, looks like you have 60,000 more.
200 thousond subscribers are ready, with a million well on their way.
@@Ro_Gaming yes
more like 90k more!
He said he had 1k *"at the time"*
@@_bop5209 It's a joke. Don't bother explaining it.
I saw just 1 video of yours and i already subscribed. Great job man! Love the quality of your video!
man u and godigis are the most motivasional and loving game dev youtubers i have ever seen good job
man is literally a polygonal planet and sold himself out like this how could you you’re better than this
A man is a planet. A polygonal planet.
@@sweetcorm yep
@@sweetcorm makes sense
The pain any programmer feels.
Also this guy is severely underrated
"School" "In the middle of July"
No worries, bro. I'm doing my college classes year round to make up for only doing them part time. Took a two year course part time and only made it three years total instead of four to five. Any excuse can be valid if you play your cards right.
I know exactly what you feel. When I first got into video editing, (like first first, I sucked) I tried to start working for free. I later changed it after I got no commissions on twitter and other sites. The funny thing was once I upped my prices to around $20 per video, that’s when I started to get comms lol. But I got contacted by a fairly big TH-cam, far larger then me, and he asked for a video. He was fine with the payment, but when he started asking for far more revisions then I typically allowed (which I only did because I felt “honored” that he would choose me to edit his videos) I was working for less then a dollar an hour on that video in total.
Don’t sell yourself short
I think, in that case, you should've asked for some sort of shoutout.
@@thelonercoder5816 exposure doesn't pay the bills
I feel like it is important to name names in this case, mainly due to the fact that whatever they were doing was LITERALLY ILLEGAL, people need to know to stay away from these people.
@otherlego There name is Space oficial
@@okiyume267 really?
@@okiyume267 i doubt it, i need a link
@@otherlego it is I just checked
@@otherlego it might be this dude because the sub count is the same. th-cam.com/users/spaceofficial
man the sounddesign in your video is amazing
Thank you for the tip, I was gonna start working for software engineering, and I think this was very much needed information.
This is a cool concept though! Would be interesting if you released it on your own.
I want to like but... Otherwise it'll hit 70 like ls
@@keita744 it's at 125 now, you're safe
You absolutely nail so much more, you honesty are extremely talented and have amazing projects, keep going!
As a starting game dev I constantly feel like I'm not really all that worth it yet and that what I can do really isn't all that special.
Your channel legit inspires me and reminds me that what I can do is still so much more then what those without experience can do and my time is worth it.
Thank you so much for your content
that's awesome to hear, keep it up!!
me too
Okay, I'm glad that motivates you, but I absolutely hate this kind of thinking. Ive tried telling myself this before, but it is a load of shit. Of course you're better than people with no experience. That's not an accomplishment. It doesn't matter. Especially if you're trying to get paid for your skill (I'm not, thank goodness). Then you should be compared to others in the field, and then you start to look terrible (I am, in my case). That's probably closer to reality for me. So really to use what you said would just be deceiving myself.
@@jbdbibbaerman8071 While you aren't wrong. It's important to understand the effects impostor syndrome have on the mind. Many people don't believe they are truly skilled and that any idiot with ten minutes can replicate their ability. Being able to compare yourself to others without the ability helps to set the ground that yes, you are more unique in that talent. From there you work and improve. Obviously you will compare yourself to others in the industry of you wish to be paid, but for many the first step is realizing you have the talent in the first place and going from there.
So where are you at now
Btw the channel is sp++ace o+++fficial
(Remove the + signs because he deletes comments with the actual channel name)
Thanks
big brain
Ok.
I'm glad you shared your story. It reminds me of when youtubers first took sponsorships and they were paid tuppence.
Honestly it depends on the person but I find these types of deals incredibly shadey but you often think OMG I'm being paid to do what I love. In reality you need to work out how much you should be paid for the services.
I hope the next deal you get is better.
The concept of Crowdsorcerer is absolutely genius! _I mean this is just like "Predictions" on Twitch_ but still really cool.
The blanked out channel is called Space Offical.
Link?
I am watching your videos from 2 months but now I finally subscribed, this video was short but awesome
Gone for 3 months, but the content has never been better 🤑 Welcome back, brother 😍
When I heard the lemmino music I knew this would be good, you are very underrated!!
5:00 you made the right decision. Considering that you didnt say anything when they asked for more UX the first time, they saw you as easy labour, you were just going to get extorted more if you stayed.
wow, i didnt know anything like core existed, im gonna check it out, looks pretty interesting. thanks for putting it in ur video.
You should make more video's! Found out about you yesterday and almost watched all of your videos. No other youtube had made me do this before. First time ever i turned on the notifications for a youtube channel!!
Keep up this great work and soon enough u will be able to hit that 100k mark :)
Yeah me too watched all his videos am big fan of polymars channel
Man, I love your editing!
As someone who has been through a similar situation with being heavily underpaid, this video is awesome and made me feel so much better. Thank you so much for this!
which youtuber
so happy you learned a lesson and even happier you were clever enough to salvage the loss.
FYI for all the non-developers here. Freelance software developer gigs pay typically somewhere in the region of 50-90€ / hour in central Europe. Depending on the specialisation.
Rates in other regions vary of course.
W H O IS THE Y O U T U B E R THO?
cringe
@@romtastick1657 who
@@ytraspy4130 how tf do u have 300 subs and no vids? Did u delete them all?
@@x7teee ye
"(official) Space" but that's backwards because his name is banned from comment section
Timestamps to skip sponsorships in the description, now thats next level :D
I'm happy core sponsored you now I can find a link to play and support my favorite youtuber~
Great lesson.. I’m glad you learned your worth.. you have a whole TH-cam channel that proves how good/passionate you are.. thx for sharing..
wowwww 😤 Glad you got yourself out of that before it got even messier. The bot sounds like a really cool idea though!
Your an inspiration t9 young devs.
This story will hopefully save us all trouble
This reminds me of most bukkit server owners "hiring" devs
"We'll pay you for your work; like $5 for small plugins and $10 for big plugins"
These people smart, whos channel lines up with this, witch hunt time
"SṖĄḈƐ (Ỗբբįcỉấḷ)" Name's censored so...
You better believe it!
3:32 "we will work together" sounds for me like communism
"Our" commission.
i’m not that guy but u def don’t know what communism is
@@sensis6881 Well communism is a political system where the goods are shared and no one has private property. Ans yes of course it has not to do much with communism to do. But the general idea of it is that everybody is the same and help eachother. But its just a joke and my intention wasnt to make it 100% historical accurate so sorry. So chill out and just laught at OUR joke. ;)
Commission??? NOOO!!! Communism!
@@fakergamer1385 lol i see what u did there i gotta laugh at that
love your vid man, you inverted the amount for roblox you put 75.5% for roblox and 24.5 % for creators but it's the other way round. i make games on roblox and i've checked that on game passes you get 70% of the credits
and i tried to install core but it's only supported for windows
wow, congratulations! your discord bot game idea is literally metaculous
i don't think you will see this but thank you for putting lemmino - cipher at the beginning of the video it's such a good song ♥
Poly mars! That was very interesting, the *development* of the story was great!
"I was scammed by people who wanted a collaborative project with no upfront pay for my labour, but anyway today's sponsor is a company that manipulates people into developing games without an upfront policy about how projects will be monetized"
Cite your sources.
Thanks for showing dark side of business as a new game dev I will keep it in mind.. and yeah u got a subscriber 😀👍🏻
Is this how it's like to work with Yandere Dev?
I think you just knocked YD off of the internet once and for all.
@Rayaan Syed eh it was a dumb joke, don't really know how to explain it
Yandere dev is a bad person
Change my mind
@@pessoaa8860 he is? how
@@robun3310 I heard years ago he was involved with younger people yk.. plus he is lazy and doesnt update the game, he just wants money
If the seller doesn't want the bot, release it through Patreon or something. Would be a cool addition to my Discord server!
As someone who has done programming work for a youtuber in the past, I'm glad I wasn't screwed over.
In my case, I had to work on a fairly complex website. Because of this, it took a good deal of work to make the website.
I didn't try to work out the payment details up front (In the future I shouldn't do this, for obvious reasons, but I knew the guy before he even became a youtuber so I could trust him)
After it was done, I didn't give him the website source until I was done with it (more as collateral in case somehow things went wrong)
We ended up negotiating and eventually it wound up to somewhere around $20 an hour for the whole project, which for a novice like me seems to be a fair rate.
I know im a year late but.
Never give up on what is the most important and just remember we are always here to support you.
I honestly would love to see this bot on your discord server or at least able to download, it actually sounds cool af lol
Omg phew, I thought this was going to be a deeper rabbit hole with them leading you on for far longer with pay that sounded good upfront but then was just the same
every video that has cipher - lemmino automatically goes up in value
0:30 lmao that typing style is exactly like me
whenever i write a complicated line i start off fast, then slow down, then at the end i double check everything before finishing the line
I love how this music is used for all kinds of "drama" videos now
Why quotation marks
@@drenz1523 idk, i guess its because i think i was using the word drama with a wider definition. So its not like the usual drama i see. Its probably not the correct use of quotation marks, but whatever
@@misaalanshori k
@@drenz1523 ok
0:00 Lemmino’s music, this is going to be good
kind of a late comment but still relevant...
I design football kits and post them on instagram and recently took over my services to fiverr to make some cash since I'm a freshman Computrer Engineering student . just 3 gigs in, a guy wanted something really complex I hadn't attempted before, but i was willing to try. I charge 5€ for one kit but the guy wanted 2 different versions (so 2 kits). I worked on it for 2 months going back and forth and he still wouldnt accept the delivery even though i had sent him every possible iteration and respective PSD. Even though i was offerring 2 revisions I ended up doing more than 10 and now that i think about it, even though he finally accepted last week, i never asked for more money(i still dont know why). It's hard for us inexperienced freelancers to get our work's worth, because we easily sell ourselves short. I imagine a seasoned designer would charge well over 50€ for that kind of labour but I couldnt justify doing that myself since I don'nt deem my work "good enough". I even considered drooping the prokect because i was losing my sanity for 5€, but I desided thqat I wasnt going to leave empty handed. I guess there are lessons to be learned when losing money in the end...
I love this guy's Channel I remember finding him a long time ago when he was at 1 k
"but I figured it was just an implied expectation"
You are so sweet
instant cicada 3301 from lemmino vibes from the intro
I relate totally but from an artist standpoint. So many people want things but want them for free or near enough.
MAN! this video have great edit .... nice keep up
That intro music set me into puzzle solving mode.
That bot actually sounds really cool and I'd love to have it on a server
The fact that you put lemminos music intro as your own intro, makes me nervous.
That's actually just the music for *one* of lemmino's videos.
@@nerfgunpng7552 isn’t it also in the D.B Cooper one?
As a Java developer, much respect man! You deserve to be paid way better! Keep up the awesome work man, I hope you do eventually find an employer or someone who commissions you what you are worth!
Damn, you bussin with the lemmino song
2:09 , please tell me that was in the script XD
dfg
thanks core , very cool showing a literal big ripoff of roblox
@@waitwhyimhere9848 core is just a bad copy of roblox that looks like fortnite and was made in unreal for no reason and it takes 10 minutes to install
@@PlanetComputer indeed , roblox atleast have good games which are underrated like fighting games: Criminality , Blood engine , vertigo. Real life: Bloxburg and other types but some youtubers just straight out only show the not underrated games making bad impressions for roblox , except youtubers like quackity joining some not underrated games for fun
@A guy with an brain it probably takes 3 days to install on phones or bad pcs because my pc is really good and it takes so long to install
Getting paid on a per project basis is actually pretty nice. Generally that means your hourly for the project is higher, and you can be a little more leisurely if you're a fast worker. Considering your "Offer of Employment" was through discord by a youtuber however, I have no doubt that he would have paid you jack shit. That and probably set some ungodly project timeline. Props to you for calling them out.
This is so familiar and frustrating.
I have being in the same situation. Idk why this happen exactly with GameDev.
When orher similar professions, something like webdev, this is rarely the case.
In my case, I also work as an indie GameDev and also as 3D artist and I have never had problem with my 3D commissions or freelancing, but on the other hand, in GameDev, I have received a lot of offers that are like this:
Hey, I want a simple mobile game with ads, in game purchase, skins, online multiplayer for tomorrow and my budget is fixed 15USD.
...
W7F...
Seriously, people think that GameDev is a walk in the park and cheaper than the minimum wage per hour...
When in reality when should be charging more than 10USD per hour.
IKTFB
T_T
I have a very similar thing to this. There was this one guy looking to make an android app, and he consistently wanted to add more and more features. Our base-line agreement was $20 for a simple App that people can watch ads for rewards on, then he wanted more features (how you mentioned with the commands and what not), and it just got hassley from there.
I still wanna know who the guy that had 4 mil subs was
when you get to really know a youtuber with over millions of subscribers... it's kind of scary to think of how different they actually are :/
4:30
There is no such thing as an implied expectation. If it's not EXPLICITLY on the project, it is not what the contractor pays for. Anything extra, goes extra.
Nice to see music from @lemmimo channel here
It comes to show that even giant corporations or giant channels are still willing to screw over the little guys. It also in someway makes me happy I am not the only one who runs into these rubbish people and it's just our industry as a whole trying to be taken advantage off.
1:45 what game making software is that? that's literally lua programming language i am very curious
edit: i just figured out 5 seconds after i ignore youtube sponsor advertising 99.9% of the time
Me who only knows Lua: Welp, time to check this out then!
Super interesting video!
Reminds me of when I was offered $1,000 a month for DAILY videos by GameLeap. Keep in mind I had to get footage and write scripts for all of this every day... And the footage was of me playing and winning in the highest tier in a competitive game, so I would have to play multiple games to get footage of a good game. I was working literally all day every day for $30/day... which works out to about the same as you: 40 cents an hour. I should have seen the warning signs a mile away. I talked to the guy in voice and he was extremely weird.