As someone who has written multiple programming tutorials over a couple of months, at $3/hour, I know your pain. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to publish the tutorials in my own name, it sucks so much.
OOOOH, THAT HURTS. and not even being credited is a giant red flag, taking all credit for an entire operation, you'd think that they at least credit devs individually, but they're flat, left out.
It reminds me when I was paid about $7 a video when I was editing for this horribly clickbait roblox youtuber, who did fake robux scams and giveaways, stretched out the content too much, etc. It took me about 8-10 hours a video. At the time I didn't have a channel, and since he had 100,000 subscribers, I only did it because it felt like an "honor", and I was 14 didn't need to make a living or anything. It was okay, but it was definitely hard.
The hardest thing I did in my career was just recently. I quoted $30/hr for my work. It isn’t astronomical but it was uncomfortable not to say “whatever you think is fair!” They didn’t even flinch. No negotiation, agreed and we moved forward. Thanks for sharing! I think many of us can relate.
Depends on what field of software engineering you work in. $30/hr is a steal for most of them though (Unless you're a jr. game dev, since game devs get paid less & juniors less than that).
@@williehrmann well if you're an outsourcer working let's say in Eastern Europe or India, 30$/hr is like earning 100$/hr in the west. This is why many companies go for cheaper labor outside of US or Western Europe.
a lot of younger/new programmers don't fully understand their worth, as i experienced this first hand when programming on commission, a 3 week project for only 40$. hopefully people can realize the amount of work done is worth more from this vid
Man... I can relate. Personally had the same experience with video editing. Big channel (literally 4m subs) approaching 'young me' who is just baffled to be approached by such a big youtuber to work for them. So enthusiastic that I did not really consider what they actually paid me because I thought it was 'normal' and I was just happy enough to finally be recognized.
Great advice. Set your rate up front and for fixed contact, were precisely what's included and don't bend without more money. It's not greedy, it's business.
The channel is "(Offical) Space". (The name is actually backwards, but he has the name filtered out in the comment section, so that's the only way it can be written without my comment being automatically deleted.)
Y'know, good on you for getting out of that though. It's really difficult to turn down something when you're not that experienced and it's really impressive that you did. I hope those people have learned something from this.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always work on an hourly pay- no matter the project. Thanks for the video Poly, hopefully it helps any new freelancers or developers!
@Hamza Siddiqui Every... Job... When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
@@Cfomodz what about jobs that dont take hours or resolve quickly but take great effort and know how? What about consultations that may only take 1 hour or could take 3? What about commissions for art where it can either be quick or grueling? Not every job man, it depends on what gives due respect to the service.
@@noahboddie3482 When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
I've had a bad experience like this too. The managers of the projects were very unprofessional and didn't know what they wanted so they kept telling me to add, remove, or modify features that could have easily been implemented had they specified the first time. I ended up recoding a lot of the project and with all these modifications I did end up working under minimum wage. That was the last time I did a commission-based dev job.
"School" "In the middle of July" No worries, bro. I'm doing my college classes year round to make up for only doing them part time. Took a two year course part time and only made it three years total instead of four to five. Any excuse can be valid if you play your cards right.
I know exactly what you feel. When I first got into video editing, (like first first, I sucked) I tried to start working for free. I later changed it after I got no commissions on twitter and other sites. The funny thing was once I upped my prices to around $20 per video, that’s when I started to get comms lol. But I got contacted by a fairly big TH-cam, far larger then me, and he asked for a video. He was fine with the payment, but when he started asking for far more revisions then I typically allowed (which I only did because I felt “honored” that he would choose me to edit his videos) I was working for less then a dollar an hour on that video in total. Don’t sell yourself short
5:00 you made the right decision. Considering that you didnt say anything when they asked for more UX the first time, they saw you as easy labour, you were just going to get extorted more if you stayed.
I'm glad you shared your story. It reminds me of when youtubers first took sponsorships and they were paid tuppence. Honestly it depends on the person but I find these types of deals incredibly shadey but you often think OMG I'm being paid to do what I love. In reality you need to work out how much you should be paid for the services. I hope the next deal you get is better.
FYI for all the non-developers here. Freelance software developer gigs pay typically somewhere in the region of 50-90€ / hour in central Europe. Depending on the specialisation. Rates in other regions vary of course.
I feel like it is important to name names in this case, mainly due to the fact that whatever they were doing was LITERALLY ILLEGAL, people need to know to stay away from these people.
As a starting game dev I constantly feel like I'm not really all that worth it yet and that what I can do really isn't all that special. Your channel legit inspires me and reminds me that what I can do is still so much more then what those without experience can do and my time is worth it. Thank you so much for your content
Okay, I'm glad that motivates you, but I absolutely hate this kind of thinking. Ive tried telling myself this before, but it is a load of shit. Of course you're better than people with no experience. That's not an accomplishment. It doesn't matter. Especially if you're trying to get paid for your skill (I'm not, thank goodness). Then you should be compared to others in the field, and then you start to look terrible (I am, in my case). That's probably closer to reality for me. So really to use what you said would just be deceiving myself.
@@jbdbibbaerman8071 While you aren't wrong. It's important to understand the effects impostor syndrome have on the mind. Many people don't believe they are truly skilled and that any idiot with ten minutes can replicate their ability. Being able to compare yourself to others without the ability helps to set the ground that yes, you are more unique in that talent. From there you work and improve. Obviously you will compare yourself to others in the industry of you wish to be paid, but for many the first step is realizing you have the talent in the first place and going from there.
You should make more video's! Found out about you yesterday and almost watched all of your videos. No other youtube had made me do this before. First time ever i turned on the notifications for a youtube channel!! Keep up this great work and soon enough u will be able to hit that 100k mark :)
@@sensis6881 Well communism is a political system where the goods are shared and no one has private property. Ans yes of course it has not to do much with communism to do. But the general idea of it is that everybody is the same and help eachother. But its just a joke and my intention wasnt to make it 100% historical accurate so sorry. So chill out and just laught at OUR joke. ;)
As someone who has been through a similar situation with being heavily underpaid, this video is awesome and made me feel so much better. Thank you so much for this!
Omg phew, I thought this was going to be a deeper rabbit hole with them leading you on for far longer with pay that sounded good upfront but then was just the same
It comes to show that even giant corporations or giant channels are still willing to screw over the little guys. It also in someway makes me happy I am not the only one who runs into these rubbish people and it's just our industry as a whole trying to be taken advantage off.
4:30 There is no such thing as an implied expectation. If it's not EXPLICITLY on the project, it is not what the contractor pays for. Anything extra, goes extra.
When you are able to do a complicated job quickly and effectively, the work you do will likely be undervalued. Its hard for some people to understand that they are not paying you for the quick and efficient work, they are paying you for the years it took to learn how to do it. Value yourself, you are worth it.
Getting paid on a per project basis is actually pretty nice. Generally that means your hourly for the project is higher, and you can be a little more leisurely if you're a fast worker. Considering your "Offer of Employment" was through discord by a youtuber however, I have no doubt that he would have paid you jack shit. That and probably set some ungodly project timeline. Props to you for calling them out.
@@drenz1523 idk, i guess its because i think i was using the word drama with a wider definition. So its not like the usual drama i see. Its probably not the correct use of quotation marks, but whatever
"I was scammed by people who wanted a collaborative project with no upfront pay for my labour, but anyway today's sponsor is a company that manipulates people into developing games without an upfront policy about how projects will be monetized"
love your vid man, you inverted the amount for roblox you put 75.5% for roblox and 24.5 % for creators but it's the other way round. i make games on roblox and i've checked that on game passes you get 70% of the credits
those kind of programs are scams though. 50% revenue for core doesn't seem bad. but considering whatever platform you release your game on takes their share too not much stays for you. also software like these with pre-built engines are mostly clunky and don't produce good results or performance. i tend to not even use unity for game dev and instead code everything myself in C++ with SDL. As most games that are built well use that or OpenGL.
Considering this entire video is a fraud to get views. There was probably some truth in the story but the visual aspects are all fake. 1. The channel is “Space Official”, literally he’s accusing nasa LMAOOO. First thing is the dude really wants to try and say NASA scammed him out of a discord bot commission, which could be true. If not for 2. 2. The space official discord doesn’t have any of the channels he claims are here, and he’s too small for them to even know he exists. He’s just making up a story with a relatable concept that everyone can get behind to avoid anyone catching on. Wish someone made an expose video on this already. 3. Sure it could have some truth, but saying that NASA a company that legitimately has dozens upon dozens of BILLIONS of budget money and being the most worldwide known space-team scamming some dude out of a discord bot? Yeah that’s highly unlikely lmao, this is goddamn NASA he’s trying to claim on.
Unless you have more realistic proof, if anything they could use this as a legal claim on you in court for defamation, being that they are a corporate entity and more then likely have the capability to do so.
@@PlanetComputer indeed , roblox atleast have good games which are underrated like fighting games: Criminality , Blood engine , vertigo. Real life: Bloxburg and other types but some youtubers just straight out only show the not underrated games making bad impressions for roblox , except youtubers like quackity joining some not underrated games for fun
Reminds me of when I was offered $1,000 a month for DAILY videos by GameLeap. Keep in mind I had to get footage and write scripts for all of this every day... And the footage was of me playing and winning in the highest tier in a competitive game, so I would have to play multiple games to get footage of a good game. I was working literally all day every day for $30/day... which works out to about the same as you: 40 cents an hour. I should have seen the warning signs a mile away. I talked to the guy in voice and he was extremely weird.
1:45 what game making software is that? that's literally lua programming language i am very curious edit: i just figured out 5 seconds after i ignore youtube sponsor advertising 99.9% of the time
kind of a late comment but still relevant... I design football kits and post them on instagram and recently took over my services to fiverr to make some cash since I'm a freshman Computrer Engineering student . just 3 gigs in, a guy wanted something really complex I hadn't attempted before, but i was willing to try. I charge 5€ for one kit but the guy wanted 2 different versions (so 2 kits). I worked on it for 2 months going back and forth and he still wouldnt accept the delivery even though i had sent him every possible iteration and respective PSD. Even though i was offerring 2 revisions I ended up doing more than 10 and now that i think about it, even though he finally accepted last week, i never asked for more money(i still dont know why). It's hard for us inexperienced freelancers to get our work's worth, because we easily sell ourselves short. I imagine a seasoned designer would charge well over 50€ for that kind of labour but I couldnt justify doing that myself since I don'nt deem my work "good enough". I even considered drooping the prokect because i was losing my sanity for 5€, but I desided thqat I wasnt going to leave empty handed. I guess there are lessons to be learned when losing money in the end...
As someone who has done programming work for a youtuber in the past, I'm glad I wasn't screwed over. In my case, I had to work on a fairly complex website. Because of this, it took a good deal of work to make the website. I didn't try to work out the payment details up front (In the future I shouldn't do this, for obvious reasons, but I knew the guy before he even became a youtuber so I could trust him) After it was done, I didn't give him the website source until I was done with it (more as collateral in case somehow things went wrong) We ended up negotiating and eventually it wound up to somewhere around $20 an hour for the whole project, which for a novice like me seems to be a fair rate.
I have a very similar thing to this. There was this one guy looking to make an android app, and he consistently wanted to add more and more features. Our base-line agreement was $20 for a simple App that people can watch ads for rewards on, then he wanted more features (how you mentioned with the commands and what not), and it just got hassley from there.
So has it ever been revealed who was behind this? By not revealing who it is, you'd just be protecting them and not the potential other victims that might fall for any of their other crap. Unless of course they got you to sign an NDA or something.
Well if we could go through a whole list of youtubers we could probably figure it out. It's a roughly 4 million subscriber, verified channel in a multi channel network with a discord server. That should narrow it down a bit.
@@aidenlilley1319 this is prob very long ago since Poly is now on 61k and back (when he got asked) on 1k subscribers , so i can imagine that the 3.89m subscriber channel has grown as well.
Congratulations on not letting them just keep getting you to do stuff for peanuts. Very easy to fall into that trap, especially if you feel like "well I've already sunk this much time into it... why stop now?"
The fact that he mentioned in the sposnor that the revenue share is twice of roblox's just shows that Core wants to rip off roblox. nice video though :D
core is only a roblox rip off they have nothing going for them besides that...and given how much money they are putting into PR (sponsor spots etc) suggests we have
*subscribe or no pay*
Amogus
Heart me because...
Yes
@@stefanandrejevic2570 shut up
@@stefanandrejevic2570
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@@GMJ7320 no u
I bet they didn't even download core using the link in the description
Hallo mayro lmao how are you here
we got number 2 checked marked boi
Qwag
At least quag did it right?
lol
As someone who has written multiple programming tutorials over a couple of months, at $3/hour, I know your pain. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to publish the tutorials in my own name, it sucks so much.
3 DOLLARS AN HOUR? Darn, i feel bad.
@@ArchFly Yeah, my contract with the guy finally ended when he started getting impatient with my return time on projects.
OOOOH, THAT HURTS. and not even being credited is a giant red flag, taking all credit for an entire operation, you'd think that they at least credit devs individually, but they're flat, left out.
yeah that was me with video editing I was getting paid 2 per video
Why? Couldn’t you just do something minimum wage that would be better?
wait... Y’all are getting paid???
Always have been.
🔫
@@R0TEK I rate the meme format 😉
Wait you gay paidhow much for doing internship at Faang company ?
Amogus
It reminds me when I was paid about $7 a video when I was editing for this horribly clickbait roblox youtuber, who did fake robux scams and giveaways, stretched out the content too much, etc.
It took me about 8-10 hours a video. At the time I didn't have a channel, and since he had 100,000 subscribers, I only did it because it felt like an "honor", and I was 14 didn't need to make a living or anything. It was okay, but it was definitely hard.
Yoo hi horizon
So doesnt that mean u also play roblox ?
@@thatonekid4717 well of course not, but he might. He’s mainly a Minecraft content creator so I have no clue. But man, that would suck lol
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The hardest thing I did in my career was just recently. I quoted $30/hr for my work. It isn’t astronomical but it was uncomfortable not to say “whatever you think is fair!” They didn’t even flinch. No negotiation, agreed and we moved forward. Thanks for sharing! I think many of us can relate.
thats great for u dude.
As a programmer in the west working on commission you can easily ask 60$-100$ per hour depending on complexity and your skillset. 30$ is a steal.
@@williehrmann no way fr?
Depends on what field of software engineering you work in. $30/hr is a steal for most of them though (Unless you're a jr. game dev, since game devs get paid less & juniors less than that).
@@williehrmann well if you're an outsourcer working let's say in Eastern Europe or India, 30$/hr is like earning 100$/hr in the west. This is why many companies go for cheaper labor outside of US or Western Europe.
i can pay you in exposure trust me
Hehe I saw you in the discord
Hehe I saw you in Mario
@@BananaWasTaken omg pls no
I saw you in discord noice .
"Ok Google, what is the exchange rate for exposure to USD?"
"0"
a lot of younger/new programmers don't fully understand their worth, as i experienced this first hand when programming on commission, a 3 week project for only 40$. hopefully people can realize the amount of work done is worth more from this vid
@@catalintoader9818 nope you must be confused with someone else
space offical
Mhm, this is very true
how much do you think it was supposed to be?
@@marshpenny what's a framework? sory am a noob programmer
Bro how is this even legal lol
Idk honestly
Well I’m surprised to see you here
It isnt
It’s not😂😂
there is no how, just is
That bot sounded dope af why did they not like it lmao
Cuz they like to promote slave labor and unpaid labor
@@timedeos4320 that's not an anwser
hi glazing
@@codingidiot6754 hi codingidiot, or shall I say detailedteacheridiot
@@silentlm3861 no
Man... I can relate. Personally had the same experience with video editing. Big channel (literally 4m subs) approaching 'young me' who is just baffled to be approached by such a big youtuber to work for them. So enthusiastic that I did not really consider what they actually paid me because I thought it was 'normal' and I was just happy enough to finally be recognized.
When i heard Cicada 3301 i knew this was gonna be good
I didn't hear cicada 3301 where
@@pixelneeryt at the start the music is cicada 3301
@@KeneqYT no it's just a fan made song
You mean cipher?
@@dotnet9830 yeah it's made by lemmino
Great advice. Set your rate up front and for fixed contact, were precisely what's included and don't bend without more money. It's not greedy, it's business.
this 👆
The channel is "(Offical) Space". (The name is actually backwards, but he has the name filtered out in the comment section, so that's the only way it can be written without my comment being automatically deleted.)
Thanks!
lmao i was thinking you meant laciffo space
he really doesnt want someone who he hated to get flak..man is to civil..id of named the channel front and centre
is it the dude with the monkey pfp?
@@defnotisaiah3210 only ten videos? what’s up with this guy?
Y'know, good on you for getting out of that though. It's really difficult to turn down something when you're not that experienced and it's really impressive that you did.
I hope those people have learned something from this.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always work on an hourly pay- no matter the project.
Thanks for the video Poly, hopefully it helps any new freelancers or developers!
Thanks Crimson! Well said :)
@@PolyMars hello
@Hamza Siddiqui Every... Job... When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
@@Cfomodz what about jobs that dont take hours or resolve quickly but take great effort and know how? What about consultations that may only take 1 hour or could take 3? What about commissions for art where it can either be quick or grueling? Not every job man, it depends on what gives due respect to the service.
@@noahboddie3482 When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on TH-cam, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.
The pain any programmer feels.
Also this guy is severely underrated
"You guys are getting paid?"
sdfg
I've had a bad experience like this too. The managers of the projects were very unprofessional and didn't know what they wanted so they kept telling me to add, remove, or modify features that could have easily been implemented had they specified the first time. I ended up recoding a lot of the project and with all these modifications I did end up working under minimum wage. That was the last time I did a commission-based dev job.
"School" "In the middle of July"
No worries, bro. I'm doing my college classes year round to make up for only doing them part time. Took a two year course part time and only made it three years total instead of four to five. Any excuse can be valid if you play your cards right.
I know exactly what you feel. When I first got into video editing, (like first first, I sucked) I tried to start working for free. I later changed it after I got no commissions on twitter and other sites. The funny thing was once I upped my prices to around $20 per video, that’s when I started to get comms lol. But I got contacted by a fairly big TH-cam, far larger then me, and he asked for a video. He was fine with the payment, but when he started asking for far more revisions then I typically allowed (which I only did because I felt “honored” that he would choose me to edit his videos) I was working for less then a dollar an hour on that video in total.
Don’t sell yourself short
I think, in that case, you should've asked for some sort of shoutout.
@@thelonercoder5816 exposure doesn't pay the bills
Gone for 3 months, but the content has never been better 🤑 Welcome back, brother 😍
This is a cool concept though! Would be interesting if you released it on your own.
I want to like but... Otherwise it'll hit 70 like ls
@@keita744 it's at 125 now, you're safe
5:00 you made the right decision. Considering that you didnt say anything when they asked for more UX the first time, they saw you as easy labour, you were just going to get extorted more if you stayed.
that core thing sounds like a great way to re-live your experience of not getting paid for work.
XD moment
roblox moment
The concept of Crowdsorcerer is absolutely genius! _I mean this is just like "Predictions" on Twitch_ but still really cool.
"I barely have 1,000 subscribers"
well buddy, looks like you have 60,000 more.
200 thousond subscribers are ready, with a million well on their way.
@@Ro_Gaming yes
more like 90k more!
He said he had 1k *"at the time"*
@@_bop5209 It's a joke. Don't bother explaining it.
Lemmino Music!
Why?
@@prcvl what do you mean "Why?"?
It's da beat!
yesss
Niggas be like, "he stole it from dream"
The name o the youtuber is official space
How did this guy get under the radar?
Hell ye
man u and godigis are the most motivasional and loving game dev youtubers i have ever seen good job
man is literally a polygonal planet and sold himself out like this how could you you’re better than this
A man is a planet. A polygonal planet.
@@sweetcorm yep
@@sweetcorm makes sense
I'm glad you shared your story. It reminds me of when youtubers first took sponsorships and they were paid tuppence.
Honestly it depends on the person but I find these types of deals incredibly shadey but you often think OMG I'm being paid to do what I love. In reality you need to work out how much you should be paid for the services.
I hope the next deal you get is better.
FYI for all the non-developers here. Freelance software developer gigs pay typically somewhere in the region of 50-90€ / hour in central Europe. Depending on the specialisation.
Rates in other regions vary of course.
Hey, this is really inspiring as a CS student who's looking into game development, just wanted to say I loved the video :)
When I heard the lemmino music I knew this would be good, you are very underrated!!
You absolutely nail so much more, you honesty are extremely talented and have amazing projects, keep going!
I feel like it is important to name names in this case, mainly due to the fact that whatever they were doing was LITERALLY ILLEGAL, people need to know to stay away from these people.
@otherlego There name is Space oficial
@@LloydWik really?
@@LloydWik i doubt it, i need a link
@@otherlego it is I just checked
@@otherlego it might be this dude because the sub count is the same. th-cam.com/users/spaceofficial
As a starting game dev I constantly feel like I'm not really all that worth it yet and that what I can do really isn't all that special.
Your channel legit inspires me and reminds me that what I can do is still so much more then what those without experience can do and my time is worth it.
Thank you so much for your content
that's awesome to hear, keep it up!!
me too
Okay, I'm glad that motivates you, but I absolutely hate this kind of thinking. Ive tried telling myself this before, but it is a load of shit. Of course you're better than people with no experience. That's not an accomplishment. It doesn't matter. Especially if you're trying to get paid for your skill (I'm not, thank goodness). Then you should be compared to others in the field, and then you start to look terrible (I am, in my case). That's probably closer to reality for me. So really to use what you said would just be deceiving myself.
@@jbdbibbaerman8071 While you aren't wrong. It's important to understand the effects impostor syndrome have on the mind. Many people don't believe they are truly skilled and that any idiot with ten minutes can replicate their ability. Being able to compare yourself to others without the ability helps to set the ground that yes, you are more unique in that talent. From there you work and improve. Obviously you will compare yourself to others in the industry of you wish to be paid, but for many the first step is realizing you have the talent in the first place and going from there.
So where are you at now
The blanked out channel is called Space Offical.
Link?
wowwww 😤 Glad you got yourself out of that before it got even messier. The bot sounds like a really cool idea though!
You should make more video's! Found out about you yesterday and almost watched all of your videos. No other youtube had made me do this before. First time ever i turned on the notifications for a youtube channel!!
Keep up this great work and soon enough u will be able to hit that 100k mark :)
Yeah me too watched all his videos am big fan of polymars channel
3:32 "we will work together" sounds for me like communism
"Our" commission.
i’m not that guy but u def don’t know what communism is
@@sensis6881 Well communism is a political system where the goods are shared and no one has private property. Ans yes of course it has not to do much with communism to do. But the general idea of it is that everybody is the same and help eachother. But its just a joke and my intention wasnt to make it 100% historical accurate so sorry. So chill out and just laught at OUR joke. ;)
Commission??? NOOO!!! Communism!
@@fakergamer1385 lol i see what u did there i gotta laugh at that
As someone who has been through a similar situation with being heavily underpaid, this video is awesome and made me feel so much better. Thank you so much for this!
which youtuber
That bot actually sounds really cool and I'd love to have it on a server
These people smart, whos channel lines up with this, witch hunt time
"SṖĄḈƐ (Ỗբբįcỉấḷ)" Name's censored so...
You better believe it!
W H O IS THE Y O U T U B E R THO?
cringe
@@romtastick1657 who
@@ytraspy4130 how tf do u have 300 subs and no vids? Did u delete them all?
@@x7teee ye
"(official) Space" but that's backwards because his name is banned from comment section
If the seller doesn't want the bot, release it through Patreon or something. Would be a cool addition to my Discord server!
I relate totally but from an artist standpoint. So many people want things but want them for free or near enough.
This reminds me of most bukkit server owners "hiring" devs
"We'll pay you for your work; like $5 for small plugins and $10 for big plugins"
Omg phew, I thought this was going to be a deeper rabbit hole with them leading you on for far longer with pay that sounded good upfront but then was just the same
Man, I love your editing!
It comes to show that even giant corporations or giant channels are still willing to screw over the little guys. It also in someway makes me happy I am not the only one who runs into these rubbish people and it's just our industry as a whole trying to be taken advantage off.
0:00 Lemmino’s music, this is going to be good
Can't express how much I feel you bruh, "exposure", I don't want clout over a bot I want MONEYYYYY
4:30
There is no such thing as an implied expectation. If it's not EXPLICITLY on the project, it is not what the contractor pays for. Anything extra, goes extra.
Great lesson.. I’m glad you learned your worth.. you have a whole TH-cam channel that proves how good/passionate you are.. thx for sharing..
I honestly would love to see this bot on your discord server or at least able to download, it actually sounds cool af lol
Great video! I really like the editing style, and the "story" (idk what else to call it) was very easy to follow! Keep it up!
When you are able to do a complicated job quickly and effectively, the work you do will likely be undervalued. Its hard for some people to understand that they are not paying you for the quick and efficient work, they are paying you for the years it took to learn how to do it. Value yourself, you are worth it.
Poly mars! That was very interesting, the *development* of the story was great!
Getting paid on a per project basis is actually pretty nice. Generally that means your hourly for the project is higher, and you can be a little more leisurely if you're a fast worker. Considering your "Offer of Employment" was through discord by a youtuber however, I have no doubt that he would have paid you jack shit. That and probably set some ungodly project timeline. Props to you for calling them out.
Is this how it's like to work with Yandere Dev?
I think you just knocked YD off of the internet once and for all.
@Rayaan Syed eh it was a dumb joke, don't really know how to explain it
Yandere dev is a bad person
Change my mind
@@pessoaa8860 he is? how
@@robun3310 I heard years ago he was involved with younger people yk.. plus he is lazy and doesnt update the game, he just wants money
I saw just 1 video of yours and i already subscribed. Great job man! Love the quality of your video!
"but I figured it was just an implied expectation"
You are so sweet
I love how this music is used for all kinds of "drama" videos now
Why quotation marks
@@drenz1523 idk, i guess its because i think i was using the word drama with a wider definition. So its not like the usual drama i see. Its probably not the correct use of quotation marks, but whatever
@@misaalanshori k
@@drenz1523 ok
The fact that you put lemminos music intro as your own intro, makes me nervous.
That's actually just the music for *one* of lemmino's videos.
@@nerfgunpng7552 isn’t it also in the D.B Cooper one?
instant cicada 3301 from lemmino vibes from the intro
I like how you add links to more videos in the description, gives me more cool stuff to watch
every video that has cipher - lemmino automatically goes up in value
If it was the only game dev job you had, its technically also the best!
I once had an editing job where they tried to pay with Nintendo Eshop gift cards from regions I couldn't even redeem
Cool guy besides that though
"I was scammed by people who wanted a collaborative project with no upfront pay for my labour, but anyway today's sponsor is a company that manipulates people into developing games without an upfront policy about how projects will be monetized"
Cite your sources.
love your vid man, you inverted the amount for roblox you put 75.5% for roblox and 24.5 % for creators but it's the other way round. i make games on roblox and i've checked that on game passes you get 70% of the credits
and i tried to install core but it's only supported for windows
I know im a year late but.
Never give up on what is the most important and just remember we are always here to support you.
As soon as I heard Core also running on LUA, I was like.. “I can finally make games with a language I am good at.”.
those kind of programs are scams though. 50% revenue for core doesn't seem bad. but considering whatever platform you release your game on takes their share too not much stays for you.
also software like these with pre-built engines are mostly clunky and don't produce good results or performance. i tend to not even use unity for game dev and instead code everything myself in C++ with SDL. As most games that are built well use that or OpenGL.
Considering this entire video is a fraud to get views. There was probably some truth in the story but the visual aspects are all fake.
1. The channel is “Space Official”, literally he’s accusing nasa LMAOOO. First thing is the dude really wants to try and say NASA scammed him out of a discord bot commission, which could be true. If not for 2.
2. The space official discord doesn’t have any of the channels he claims are here, and he’s too small for them to even know he exists.
He’s just making up a story with a relatable concept that everyone can get behind to avoid anyone catching on. Wish someone made an expose video on this already.
3. Sure it could have some truth, but saying that NASA a company that legitimately has dozens upon dozens of BILLIONS of budget money and being the most worldwide known space-team scamming some dude out of a discord bot? Yeah that’s highly unlikely lmao, this is goddamn NASA he’s trying to claim on.
SPACE Official has nothing to do with NASA, they just stream prerecorded public domain NASA footage for views
Unless you have more realistic proof, if anything they could use this as a legal claim on you in court for defamation, being that they are a corporate entity and more then likely have the capability to do so.
@@crispy_retrodude9463 wait no way you genuinely believe it's NASA
when you get to really know a youtuber with over millions of subscribers... it's kind of scary to think of how different they actually are :/
2:09 , please tell me that was in the script XD
dfg
thanks core , very cool showing a literal big ripoff of roblox
@@Repentedregen core is just a bad copy of roblox that looks like fortnite and was made in unreal for no reason and it takes 10 minutes to install
@@PlanetComputer indeed , roblox atleast have good games which are underrated like fighting games: Criminality , Blood engine , vertigo. Real life: Bloxburg and other types but some youtubers just straight out only show the not underrated games making bad impressions for roblox , except youtubers like quackity joining some not underrated games for fun
@A guy with an brain it probably takes 3 days to install on phones or bad pcs because my pc is really good and it takes so long to install
man the sounddesign in your video is amazing
Reminds me of when I was offered $1,000 a month for DAILY videos by GameLeap. Keep in mind I had to get footage and write scripts for all of this every day... And the footage was of me playing and winning in the highest tier in a competitive game, so I would have to play multiple games to get footage of a good game. I was working literally all day every day for $30/day... which works out to about the same as you: 40 cents an hour. I should have seen the warning signs a mile away. I talked to the guy in voice and he was extremely weird.
Let’s gooooo
Everyone it's official space(the name is backwards)
Aight it is actually him
1:45 what game making software is that? that's literally lua programming language i am very curious
edit: i just figured out 5 seconds after i ignore youtube sponsor advertising 99.9% of the time
Me who only knows Lua: Welp, time to check this out then!
kind of a late comment but still relevant...
I design football kits and post them on instagram and recently took over my services to fiverr to make some cash since I'm a freshman Computrer Engineering student . just 3 gigs in, a guy wanted something really complex I hadn't attempted before, but i was willing to try. I charge 5€ for one kit but the guy wanted 2 different versions (so 2 kits). I worked on it for 2 months going back and forth and he still wouldnt accept the delivery even though i had sent him every possible iteration and respective PSD. Even though i was offerring 2 revisions I ended up doing more than 10 and now that i think about it, even though he finally accepted last week, i never asked for more money(i still dont know why). It's hard for us inexperienced freelancers to get our work's worth, because we easily sell ourselves short. I imagine a seasoned designer would charge well over 50€ for that kind of labour but I couldnt justify doing that myself since I don'nt deem my work "good enough". I even considered drooping the prokect because i was losing my sanity for 5€, but I desided thqat I wasnt going to leave empty handed. I guess there are lessons to be learned when losing money in the end...
As someone who has done programming work for a youtuber in the past, I'm glad I wasn't screwed over.
In my case, I had to work on a fairly complex website. Because of this, it took a good deal of work to make the website.
I didn't try to work out the payment details up front (In the future I shouldn't do this, for obvious reasons, but I knew the guy before he even became a youtuber so I could trust him)
After it was done, I didn't give him the website source until I was done with it (more as collateral in case somehow things went wrong)
We ended up negotiating and eventually it wound up to somewhere around $20 an hour for the whole project, which for a novice like me seems to be a fair rate.
so happy you learned a lesson and even happier you were clever enough to salvage the loss.
The TH-camr was Official space
Holy shit
By the way the channels name is official space
Ty
Channel is "Official Space"
Link?
Thank you for the tip, I was gonna start working for software engineering, and I think this was very much needed information.
I just watched a video about depixilizing text... that pixilized text looks very intriguing
Btw the channel is sp++ace o+++fficial
(Remove the + signs because he deletes comments with the actual channel name)
Thanks
big brain
Ok.
More like spac++e offic++ial lol
I still wanna know who the guy that had 4 mil subs was
You are a fool for not exposing them and hiding them.
I have a very similar thing to this. There was this one guy looking to make an android app, and he consistently wanted to add more and more features. Our base-line agreement was $20 for a simple App that people can watch ads for rewards on, then he wanted more features (how you mentioned with the commands and what not), and it just got hassley from there.
Your an inspiration t9 young devs.
This story will hopefully save us all trouble
So has it ever been revealed who was behind this? By not revealing who it is, you'd just be protecting them and not the potential other victims that might fall for any of their other crap. Unless of course they got you to sign an NDA or something.
its spaceofficial
Who was the employer?
Heh.
He blurred the employer's name for a purpose...
I don't believe he'll be saying it in the comments.
Me
Well if we could go through a whole list of youtubers we could probably figure it out.
It's a roughly 4 million subscriber, verified channel in a multi channel network with a discord server. That should narrow it down a bit.
@@aidenlilley1319 this is prob very long ago since Poly is now on 61k and back (when he got asked) on 1k subscribers , so i can imagine that the 3.89m subscriber channel has grown as well.
@@aidenlilley1319 ikr
Congratulations on not letting them just keep getting you to do stuff for peanuts. Very easy to fall into that trap, especially if you feel like "well I've already sunk this much time into it... why stop now?"
The fact that he mentioned in the sposnor that the revenue share is twice of roblox's just shows that Core wants to rip off roblox. nice video though :D
core is only a roblox rip off they have nothing going for them besides that...and given how much money they are putting into PR (sponsor spots etc) suggests we have
I am watching your videos from 2 months but now I finally subscribed, this video was short but awesome