I'm surprised; I actually enjoyed Jade Empire more the second playthrough. The first time I didnt even register the comments on my flawed technique for example. The second time I really appreciated all the little foreshadowing, also on master Li. The Li twist is of course similar to Revan's, but with the addition of the flawed technique and the Dirge storyline, I think it the story of Jade Empire is the most intricately crafted of all Bioware games.
Agree and interestingly the "heel" at the begining, Gao the Lesser, is correct about everything which is great perspective to pick up on your second playthrough - as earlier you were likely blinded by your anger at him.
nahh, it's perfect length, would you rather be glad it's over or wish for more?? the fact you want more means it was good.... so many games i just wish were done like 40 hours before they end.....such is the level of padding.....
I think they should've just made the distinction between closed fist and open palm clearer, and made sure that EVERYONE understands that the closed fist is not evil, and your goal as far as good and evil goes is irrelevant to the philosophies. Closed fist is about straightforward solutions through strength while open palm is more about flexible solutions through control. Think of Closed Fist as Kickboxing while Open Palm is Judo. That's how they should've approached it and REMEMBERED the premise that it is *not* about Good/Evil. I remember that the way they handled open palm and closed fist bothered me a *lot*, especially towards the end of the game.
You're right about the in-game presentation of the open palm and closed fist. Especially since at the begining of the game one if the trainers defines what actual evil in the setting is supposed to be, an evil man does not care. Unfortunately that's what a lot of closed fist choices end up being.
Jade Empire is one of the best games ever made imo. A very concise experience with great characters and the best twist I have ever experienced in a game. Limited repeatability in a sense, but I like to try out a new set of combat styles each few years and try out different romance options. A remake / remaster would be awesome
Interesting, I replayed Jade Empire last winter and found it still held immense charm even though I knew the twist. You can tell it got less 'investment' from Bioware in its smaller size (in an interview they said this was because it was an unestablished franchise), but the smaller contained narrative fits the story. I suspect this is why there won't ever be a sequel though, also the subject is a bit more niche than Mass Effect and Dragon Age, which is a shame because there is a lot of great world building to raise our interest such as Phoenix Gate the massive trade city or the "Not-Mongol" horselords of the north. Also no love for Henpecked Hou?
Great rumination. I really wanted a Jade Empire 2, unfortunately Bioware does not exist any more so.... I'm sold on the lorerun, please put it up for funding on the website. I know you have a lot to go through, but there's always next year. I don't feel like the story was "worse" the second time around, I played it like 6 times already and I still enjoyed it the same. Did you have a chance to try Jade Master mode (new game+)?
Master Li is extremely open palm. As in, he's open palm taken to the extreme. He will do anything in order to achieve harmony and order as him at the helm of the new order. He doesn't value survival of the fittest. Strength of others and himself. These things are the core of closed fist. He ultimately values more highly peace. Because his final plan, as seen in the Rule with Li ending, he wasn't lying when said in the last confrontation that his goal was peace and order.
One thing that was really interesting about this game I noticed as a chinese martial arts practitioner; the moves are all authentic to traditional chinese martial arts however the names of the styles mixed with magic powers are changed; storm dragon for example has some hung gar moves (which is tiger-crane stuff). To me the combat engine is fine, you must be willing to change styles in seconds to chain moves. The only downside is that it is almost a little TOO fantastical. I wish Big Trouble in Little China could be remade into a game like this. :D
I also agree 2nd playthrough is nothing like first playthrough because of all the mysteries and the plot twists. It was hard to stop playing the first playthrough.
When open fist and closed fist were done well it was great. When they did it badly it was mustache twirling evil and insistant good. I like your point about 4 point morality system. I feel that is the best choice for storytelling as it adds to the experience and detail of the world.
I've been playing this game at least once a year all the way through since it came out. I've kept my original Xbox all this time mostly for this game. There's something new in every play through. This is the GOAT of gaming. Fight me.
Just popping in to say thanks again for another great rumination and thanks for giving me something to watch on Fridays! These and your Star Trek videos (and your B5 videos when those were in the rotation) are the highlight of my work week. Entertainment AND education I can always depend on!
The flaw thing is gotta be one of my favourite foreshadowing in history of gaming. Aha, I have super technique, that pretends to be a flaw, but there is none! Oh, I guess there actually is a flaw.
I love this game. I think that Sun Li is the most interesting character in the game. He almost deserves to be the ruler in the end. Anyway, they could make a sequel about reestablishing Dirge and the Spirit Monks.
@25:50 We actually have soil core records from South America and Northern Europe which show that when there was a long period of rain in Northern Europe there werr drought conditions for a long enough period that it ended civilisations in South America.
Recently went through this again and really liked it, the last time I played it I had broke my foot kicking my friend in the head and got a couple weeks off work. Love your videos arch great job man.
Sadly TORs main quest is as close to kotor 3 we are gonna get. I played. a jedi guardian and enjoyed my time there BEFORE they micro transactions the hell out of that game
Jade Empire's setting has so much potential, I wish Bioware would do something with it. Or that someone would buy it from them and do something with it.
I remember playing this when I was really young, and eventually watched a live stream of it. I liked it, more for it's Setting and Characters than Gameplay as well. I tried playing this the other day on my PC, and I had a cloth physics bug(?) that made this game unplayable. Sad times. Pointing out 'flaws' was obnoxious. The "Philosophy" system was a let down for sure. On a side note, I really like the idea of Chinese Fantasy or Historical Fantasy RPGs. The entire Wuxia/Xianxia genre is so fascinating and has some incredible writers, and the fact that we don't have more games like Jade Empire (more so games that are better, or on par) available feels like a untouched treasure trove.
loved this game back when i was younger. Not sure if you remember me arch but been a viewer for a very long long time since the old reviews with blue hair and in the office. :) You helped me through some dark times in my life and it feels good to see you doing so good. All of the best my friend!!!!( my old user name was StringentHydra)
It means a lot that you remember me. My life has improved immensely and I am actually truly happy for the first time. All I can say is thank you for your kind words when I needed them the most and I am so glad to see your channel doing well I truly feel no one has worked harder for it. I don't post often but know that I'm still watching and enjoying your content and wishing the best for you and your family. Please never stop caring about the little guy and being yourself because your awesome.
Thanks for the Rumination! I remember playing it and being puzzled that Bioware had the same premise (the Golemn factory) in two games, in this one and Dragon Age.
I do agree on your opinion of sun hai he flat out says that nature doesn't respect titles and that the long drought threatened to take his rule from him because the people were growing restless he took the water dragon for completely selfish reasons
Lore, I have an honest question, I wouldn't mind if you could answer on Loreweek or here because I am never able to hop on your streams while you're streaming -- about copyright/wrong and all that. I would email you if I knew how. :) What are your thoughts on using video game music and backgrounds (like from Witcher 3) in your ruminations and streams? I'm just curious because you are very intelligent and your thoughts on Nintendo copywrong for example are interesting (such as during your Odyssey stream when you were afraid of them copywronging you over the Jump Up song in New Donk City). Have you ever had a complaint from a company over using, say, Nobuo Uematsu's music in the background of your streams, for example? This is just something I've thought about for a while and want to hear your thoughts on. Also, I never got to play this game, so it's nice to hear your thoughts on it. Well done. :)
Neverwinter nights, when it came out, was criticised for a diablo style gameplay. Rooms full of enemies and not a lot of dialogues. Also change of perspective (from baldur's gate isometric view) didn't help. Jade Empires would benefit greatly from this diablo style of gameplay, I loved the combat in this game and wished there were more enemies and longer game so I could battle more. Plus of course more techniques to learn. I like this game a lot, for its combat, characters, dialogues, plots and twists. This game is still good after all this time and I also wish there was a remake or maybe even second part. Sadly they did abandon this IP, put it on ice and left to rot. Now that Bioware is pretty much in a dumpster and EA started the fire, probably it will be sold with ME and DA IP pretty soon (after the failure of Anthem). The thing that I didn't like was the way of open palm and clenched fist. I like being evil in games but I also like being lawful (Lawful Evil FTW), knowing that evil is chaotic in this game made me end this game (three times) being good person, always choosing paralyzing palm and stone magic, helping Wild Flower (after the game my head canon is that she became a daugther of our hero and romance option) and generally avoiding being chaotic because I lose points and stone magic becomes less powerful. Of course deathhand gets released everytime. I like being evil but more in a way of evil tyrant rather than evil pirate. That's why in Stronghold I build all those torture devices :P Plus the final choice, that made me think that giving player too much choice hurts the game and the narrative. I played open palm entire game and still get the choice that would make me pure chaotic? No thank you. Apart from that, I really like the plot and twists of this game. I played it 3 times already and will more in the future, next time again with silk fox romance. You mentioned dragon age origins, I don't like choices there because I feel that being "evil" is being lazy there. You get more benefits from being good while evil guy just is lazy and don't care for an army. Actor who gave voice to master Li (sadly died in 2017), Barry Dennen, I like him a lot for his work/voice. He gave voice in Arcanum as dwarf king in exile and New Vegas as Dean Domino. The game also has a lot of minor characters that have story and personalities, I probably love this game the most for all those side quest. PC perfoming in the play, taking down the woman who wants the revenge on captain of the guard, helping the man heal his daugther (by taking a mummy liver), giving bandit woman husband or helping two women escape slavery. Imperial city somehow had the best quests (still, thanks to lenght of this game, not that much side quests could be put in this game). I think Sun Hai while being evil and having this "I am the state" mentality, was just a pawn compared to Li, became dangerously ambitious thanks to influence of his brother. Sun Li maybe from the very start had a plan to betray his brother but made a fatal error in jugdment, getting Dragon Power made Sun Hai something else than he was before. Sagacious Zu described Gao the Greater as a small man angry at world because his wealth can't buy him everything (I can be mistaken, poor memory card), I think Sun Hai had the same problem. About eternal bureaucracy being well meaning antagonist, it's a bureaucracy. I think the bureaucracy would eventually get to fix things on earth, maybe ending Sun Li and restoring the balance, by either dropping a "nuke" and wiping the slate clean or choosing another champion. About the spirit problem, I think they are blinded by ambition, they think they would do it but in given time they have to accept the sad truth. This draught reminds me of an idea from Mass Effect, where reapers were just fighting the dark matter and saving the entire galaxy. That was going to be the plot twist. I would love to be Shepard, hear this and say "You just refuse to face the fact that all empires fall, we just must accept it just like our own mortality". ------------- I wrote a lot and not about the topic xD And forgot to say that Kai Lan the Serpent is voiced by Kain from legacy of kain, also Han'Gerrel vas Neema :P ------------- As for Jade Empire 2, maybe no continuation and just make the stuff of legend? At the far end territory of Jade Empire our hero is born and we have the adventure. We save the world (from emptiness, dragons, Henpecked Hou wife or ourself) and after the game ends the book is closed. We see the servany putting Princess Lian to sleep, she read her this story to fill her with the mythos and awe of Jade Empire. Pricess go to sleep and dreams of those heroes. That would be a weird ending and not so much player agency, but still better than crappy Andromeda or ME3 ending :P
if I remember there is a 2 hit string combo that will kill just about every enemy in that game. Its a stun attack followed by a special power attack... that instant kills just about everything. Though...forget about open palm..heh.
I disagree re: "was the Emperor an equally sociopathic figure as the Glorious Strategist?" Really, if all three brothers were horrible people (I have vague memories that the youngest was suggested to be right bastard too, and that was prior to being warped into Death's Hand), it diminishes the horror/betrayal of Master Li's true colors being revealed.
AHA loved JE Would you consider doing some ruminations of old classic space games such as Star Control 2, see because if you don't, I will just have to do something myself! Although not in your deep eloquent style! :D
#1 reason bioware wont make a jade empire 2: you answered your own question. Youve only played it twice. Most havent played it at all. Modern bioware not only no longer has the talent for an rpg like jade empire but also they cant afford a flop, literally. (byebyebiowarecauseofanthembyebye)
I have played it as openhand man and woman and closed fist man and woman. It is really enjoyable especially once you get to the Imperial City. I have played it a few times after that too. Its also hard as hell to replay with the same character with master skills.
The fact it's fast turn-based combat with the presentation of real-time definitely is clunky, far moreso than KotoR's version which wore its fast turn-based nature on its sleeve. I disagree completely that works that rely on a twist are inherently weaker the second time around. It depends how well you've camouflaged the foreshadowing and whether new secondary meanings can be gleaned from what the first time around seemed mundane.
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Yours is a beautiful mind, Arche, truly
@ADDLEPATED SIMPLETON who is this Arche guy? =P
To be fair though, 40 minutes is short for him these days. If you get him going his rums go for 2+ hours. X^)
I'm surprised; I actually enjoyed Jade Empire more the second playthrough. The first time I didnt even register the comments on my flawed technique for example. The second time I really appreciated all the little foreshadowing, also on master Li. The Li twist is of course similar to Revan's, but with the addition of the flawed technique and the Dirge storyline, I think it the story of Jade Empire is the most intricately crafted of all Bioware games.
Agree and interestingly the "heel" at the begining, Gao the Lesser, is correct about everything which is great perspective to pick up on your second playthrough - as earlier you were likely blinded by your anger at him.
I always felt like this game was WAY to short.
nahh, it's perfect length, would you rather be glad it's over or wish for more?? the fact you want more means it was good....
so many games i just wish were done like 40 hours before they end.....such is the level of padding.....
I think they should've just made the distinction between closed fist and open palm clearer, and made sure that EVERYONE understands that the closed fist is not evil, and your goal as far as good and evil goes is irrelevant to the philosophies. Closed fist is about straightforward solutions through strength while open palm is more about flexible solutions through control. Think of Closed Fist as Kickboxing while Open Palm is Judo. That's how they should've approached it and REMEMBERED the premise that it is *not* about Good/Evil. I remember that the way they handled open palm and closed fist bothered me a *lot*, especially towards the end of the game.
Yes, Master Li is "open palm evil" that's exactly what I was getting at
You're right about the in-game presentation of the open palm and closed fist. Especially since at the begining of the game one if the trainers defines what actual evil in the setting is supposed to be, an evil man does not care. Unfortunately that's what a lot of closed fist choices end up being.
Jade Empire is one of the best games ever made imo. A very concise experience with great characters and the best twist I have ever experienced in a game. Limited repeatability in a sense, but I like to try out a new set of combat styles each few years and try out different romance options. A remake / remaster would be awesome
Interesting, I replayed Jade Empire last winter and found it still held immense charm even though I knew the twist. You can tell it got less 'investment' from Bioware in its smaller size (in an interview they said this was because it was an unestablished franchise), but the smaller contained narrative fits the story.
I suspect this is why there won't ever be a sequel though, also the subject is a bit more niche than Mass Effect and Dragon Age, which is a shame because there is a lot of great world building to raise our interest such as Phoenix Gate the massive trade city or the "Not-Mongol" horselords of the north.
Also no love for Henpecked Hou?
Great rumination. I really wanted a Jade Empire 2, unfortunately Bioware does not exist any more so.... I'm sold on the lorerun, please put it up for funding on the website. I know you have a lot to go through, but there's always next year.
I don't feel like the story was "worse" the second time around, I played it like 6 times already and I still enjoyed it the same.
Did you have a chance to try Jade Master mode (new game+)?
Master Li is extremely open palm. As in, he's open palm taken to the extreme. He will do anything in order to achieve harmony and order as him at the helm of the new order. He doesn't value survival of the fittest. Strength of others and himself. These things are the core of closed fist. He ultimately values more highly peace. Because his final plan, as seen in the Rule with Li ending, he wasn't lying when said in the last confrontation that his goal was peace and order.
He's a peace over survival of the fittest and I think at this point that puts him on the way of the open palm. Definitely
Li is "open palm evil"
@@B.von.Bentzen Open Palm different ethics.
One thing that was really interesting about this game I noticed as a chinese martial arts practitioner; the moves are all authentic to traditional chinese martial arts however the names of the styles mixed with magic powers are changed; storm dragon for example has some hung gar moves (which is tiger-crane stuff). To me the combat engine is fine, you must be willing to change styles in seconds to chain moves. The only downside is that it is almost a little TOO fantastical. I wish Big Trouble in Little China could be remade into a game like this. :D
I also agree 2nd playthrough is nothing like first playthrough because of all the mysteries and the plot twists. It was hard to stop playing the first playthrough.
Chinese martial arts? So youre a master of wasting your time I see.
When open fist and closed fist were done well it was great. When they did it badly it was mustache twirling evil and insistant good.
I like your point about 4 point morality system. I feel that is the best choice for storytelling as it adds to the experience and detail of the world.
my fav game cant believe didnt have sequel
I've been playing this game at least once a year all the way through since it came out. I've kept my original Xbox all this time mostly for this game. There's something new in every play through. This is the GOAT of gaming. Fight me.
It’s my favorite Bioware game since KOTOR.
Also, would really LOVE a LoreRun of this.
Id like to see a system where the "good" choice is the feel good, but wrong, choice and the "bad" choice is the hard choice but the right one.
Just popping in to say thanks again for another great rumination and thanks for giving me something to watch on Fridays! These and your Star Trek videos (and your B5 videos when those were in the rotation) are the highlight of my work week. Entertainment AND education I can always depend on!
The flaw thing is gotta be one of my favourite foreshadowing in history of gaming.
Aha, I have super technique, that pretends to be a flaw, but there is none! Oh, I guess there actually is a flaw.
I love this game. I think that Sun Li is the most interesting character in the game. He almost deserves to be the ruler in the end. Anyway, they could make a sequel about reestablishing Dirge and the Spirit Monks.
@25:50 We actually have soil core records from South America and Northern Europe which show that when there was a long period of rain in Northern Europe there werr drought conditions for a long enough period that it ended civilisations in South America.
Must donate to Jade Empire Lore Run. :D
That Death Note reference was so bad it became good
I second that three years later.
I would love a proper remake of this game. I would even settle for a reimagining of it as long as it's good.
I loved jade empire really wish they make another
Recently went through this again and really liked it, the last time I played it I had broke my foot kicking my friend in the head and got a couple weeks off work. Love your videos arch great job man.
I see Jade Empire I press like :p
I’d love Jade Empire 2...and as long as I’m fantasizing I’d also love a single player Knights of the Old Republic 3.
I'd love the concept of open hand closed fist to be in a star wars kotor game as part of a force compas with light and darkside as the other axis.
Sadly TORs main quest is as close to kotor 3 we are gonna get. I played. a jedi guardian and enjoyed my time there BEFORE they micro transactions the hell out of that game
Jade Empire's setting has so much potential, I wish Bioware would do something with it. Or that someone would buy it from them and do something with it.
I remember playing this when I was really young, and eventually watched a live stream of it.
I liked it, more for it's Setting and Characters than Gameplay as well.
I tried playing this the other day on my PC, and I had a cloth physics bug(?) that made this game unplayable. Sad times.
Pointing out 'flaws' was obnoxious.
The "Philosophy" system was a let down for sure.
On a side note, I really like the idea of Chinese Fantasy or Historical Fantasy RPGs. The entire Wuxia/Xianxia genre is so fascinating and has some incredible writers, and the fact that we don't have more games like Jade Empire (more so games that are better, or on par) available feels like a untouched treasure trove.
loved this game back when i was younger. Not sure if you remember me arch but been a viewer for a very long long time since the old reviews with blue hair and in the office. :)
You helped me through some dark times in my life and it feels good to see you doing so good. All of the best my friend!!!!( my old user name was StringentHydra)
I actually do remember a Hydra who was strangely Stringent. All I can say is I hope the unpleasantness has passed and things are better now for you.
It means a lot that you remember me. My life has improved immensely and I am actually truly happy for the first time. All I can say is thank you for your kind words when I needed them the most and I am so glad to see your channel doing well I truly feel no one has worked harder for it. I don't post often but know that I'm still watching and enjoying your content and wishing the best for you and your family. Please never stop caring about the little guy and being yourself because your awesome.
Thanks for the Rumination! I remember playing it and being puzzled that Bioware had the same premise (the Golemn factory) in two games, in this one and Dragon Age.
I agree with your analogy with Babylon 5 which is extremely rewarding the second time through ( well, as long as we ignore the spin offs).
I do agree on your opinion of sun hai he flat out says that nature doesn't respect titles and that the long drought threatened to take his rule from him because the people were growing restless he took the water dragon for completely selfish reasons
Great analysis
I think its more like Dragon Age - many of the demon types look the same etc. So I always thought that "they" moved on to make the Dragon Age series.
Lore, I have an honest question, I wouldn't mind if you could answer on Loreweek or here because I am never able to hop on your streams while you're streaming -- about copyright/wrong and all that. I would email you if I knew how. :) What are your thoughts on using video game music and backgrounds (like from Witcher 3) in your ruminations and streams? I'm just curious because you are very intelligent and your thoughts on Nintendo copywrong for example are interesting (such as during your Odyssey stream when you were afraid of them copywronging you over the Jump Up song in New Donk City). Have you ever had a complaint from a company over using, say, Nobuo Uematsu's music in the background of your streams, for example? This is just something I've thought about for a while and want to hear your thoughts on.
Also, I never got to play this game, so it's nice to hear your thoughts on it. Well done. :)
I'm pretty careful about what I use on my show to avoid issues. Using footage from companies that are safe and remixes of songs.
That's what I thought. Thanks for the reply! :)
Neverwinter nights, when it came out, was criticised for a diablo style gameplay. Rooms full of enemies and not a lot of dialogues. Also change of perspective (from baldur's gate isometric view) didn't help.
Jade Empires would benefit greatly from this diablo style of gameplay, I loved the combat in this game and wished there were more enemies and longer game so I could battle more. Plus of course more techniques to learn.
I like this game a lot, for its combat, characters, dialogues, plots and twists. This game is still good after all this time and I also wish there was a remake or maybe even second part. Sadly they did abandon this IP, put it on ice and left to rot. Now that Bioware is pretty much in a dumpster and EA started the fire, probably it will be sold with ME and DA IP pretty soon (after the failure of Anthem).
The thing that I didn't like was the way of open palm and clenched fist. I like being evil in games but I also like being lawful (Lawful Evil FTW), knowing that evil is chaotic in this game made me end this game (three times) being good person, always choosing paralyzing palm and stone magic, helping Wild Flower (after the game my head canon is that she became a daugther of our hero and romance option) and generally avoiding being chaotic because I lose points and stone magic becomes less powerful. Of course deathhand gets released everytime. I like being evil but more in a way of evil tyrant rather than evil pirate. That's why in Stronghold I build all those torture devices :P
Plus the final choice, that made me think that giving player too much choice hurts the game and the narrative. I played open palm entire game and still get the choice that would make me pure chaotic? No thank you. Apart from that, I really like the plot and twists of this game. I played it 3 times already and will more in the future, next time again with silk fox romance.
You mentioned dragon age origins, I don't like choices there because I feel that being "evil" is being lazy there. You get more benefits from being good while evil guy just is lazy and don't care for an army.
Actor who gave voice to master Li (sadly died in 2017), Barry Dennen, I like him a lot for his work/voice. He gave voice in Arcanum as dwarf king in exile and New Vegas as Dean Domino.
The game also has a lot of minor characters that have story and personalities, I probably love this game the most for all those side quest. PC perfoming in the play, taking down the woman who wants the revenge on captain of the guard, helping the man heal his daugther (by taking a mummy liver), giving bandit woman husband or helping two women escape slavery. Imperial city somehow had the best quests (still, thanks to lenght of this game, not that much side quests could be put in this game).
I think Sun Hai while being evil and having this "I am the state" mentality, was just a pawn compared to Li, became dangerously ambitious thanks to influence of his brother. Sun Li maybe from the very start had a plan to betray his brother but made a fatal error in jugdment, getting Dragon Power made Sun Hai something else than he was before. Sagacious Zu described Gao the Greater as a small man angry at world because his wealth can't buy him everything (I can be mistaken, poor memory card), I think Sun Hai had the same problem.
About eternal bureaucracy being well meaning antagonist, it's a bureaucracy. I think the bureaucracy would eventually get to fix things on earth, maybe ending Sun Li and restoring the balance, by either dropping a "nuke" and wiping the slate clean or choosing another champion. About the spirit problem, I think they are blinded by ambition, they think they would do it but in given time they have to accept the sad truth.
This draught reminds me of an idea from Mass Effect, where reapers were just fighting the dark matter and saving the entire galaxy. That was going to be the plot twist. I would love to be Shepard, hear this and say "You just refuse to face the fact that all empires fall, we just must accept it just like our own mortality".
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I wrote a lot and not about the topic xD
And forgot to say that Kai Lan the Serpent is voiced by Kain from legacy of kain, also Han'Gerrel vas Neema :P
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As for Jade Empire 2, maybe no continuation and just make the stuff of legend? At the far end territory of Jade Empire our hero is born and we have the adventure. We save the world (from emptiness, dragons, Henpecked Hou wife or ourself) and after the game ends the book is closed. We see the servany putting Princess Lian to sleep, she read her this story to fill her with the mythos and awe of Jade Empire. Pricess go to sleep and dreams of those heroes. That would be a weird ending and not so much player agency, but still better than crappy Andromeda or ME3 ending :P
There was bullet time in that game? Just played it for the first time about 2 weeks ago and had no idea.
if I remember there is a 2 hit string combo that will kill just about every enemy in that game. Its a stun attack followed by a special power attack... that instant kills just about everything. Though...forget about open palm..heh.
Harmonic Combos? Those can be initiated by any support or magic style, and finished by physical heavy attacks. Unrestricted by alignment.
I disagree re: "was the Emperor an equally sociopathic figure as the Glorious Strategist?"
Really, if all three brothers were horrible people (I have vague memories that the youngest was suggested to be right bastard too, and that was prior to being warped into Death's Hand), it diminishes the horror/betrayal of Master Li's true colors being revealed.
AHA loved JE Would you consider doing some ruminations of old classic space games such as Star Control 2, see because if you don't, I will just have to do something myself! Although not in your deep eloquent style! :D
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YAY! Thanks!
22:00 reference Death Note anime. :P
is he refering to Rosebud?
I would love to play this game, if it had a controller support
It does, I played the GOG version with a PS4 controller. The game came out for the original Xbox.
After the majesty of KOTOR, Jade Empire felt like a massive misstep to me.
No
I'll be *that* guy, and you can shit on me for this, but I liked Jade empire a lot more than KOTOR.
@@thegoodolddays9193 I like Jade Empire and KoTOR 2 more than KoTOR 1. None of them are bad games.
"soon" is the correct pronunciation of Sun tho haha, at least for real life mandarin
#1 reason bioware wont make a jade empire 2: you answered your own question. Youve only played it twice. Most havent played it at all. Modern bioware not only no longer has the talent for an rpg like jade empire but also they cant afford a flop, literally. (byebyebiowarecauseofanthembyebye)
I have played it as openhand man and woman and closed fist man and woman. It is really enjoyable especially once you get to the Imperial City. I have played it a few times after that too. Its also hard as hell to replay with the same character with master skills.
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Bab5 reference
A long time ago I got sick of moral choices. They are now just helping to ruin RPG.
The fact it's fast turn-based combat with the presentation of real-time definitely is clunky, far moreso than KotoR's version which wore its fast turn-based nature on its sleeve. I disagree completely that works that rely on a twist are inherently weaker the second time around. It depends how well you've camouflaged the foreshadowing and whether new secondary meanings can be gleaned from what the first time around seemed mundane.