Rumination Analysis on Fable
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"Morrowind Killer"
What a Grand and Intoxicating Innocence.
so you're the Morrowind Killer? mmmm, i thought you'd be more epic!
As a lad I found it to be the height of hilarity to take off my character's clothes, eat until he had a pudgy belly and then run around Bowerstone breaking windows and escaping the guards, then doing it again until my character was evil enough that flies buzzed around him. I would then go on to puke, barf, fart and flip the bird at innocent passers-by with impunity. I did this for more hours than I am willing to admit.
Jack of Blades' original voice was very soothing to me. I loved that guy the moment he showed up.
I love this game. This game along with KOTOR 2 are the reasons I fell in love with RPGs.
Yeah I play Fable 2 and Kotor 2 as a child or as I grew up, let's put it that way.
But I never played the first games in either of of those series until later on where I was like probably around 16 to 18 range maybe earlier and it was so disappointing because everyone hyped up the original games and then when I went to play it I realize just how much better the sequels were.
I'm not saying they're bad games it's just the sequels did it improved on everything that came before it which is what a sequel should do.
like I just start I just started playing Fable 1 anniversary earlier this year but then I dropped it because I got Final Fantasy 15 and then Summer started where I had to get a new job.
but I still haven't completed it Like Fable 1 is fun but it's just I don't know I feel like I enjoy the combat more than the story.
I actually liked the game when it came out. Maybe because I’ve not been exposed to the marketing much. I heard a thing or two about it and then just picked it up.
Anyway, thanks for the video, mate. I appreciate your work, please keep them coming.
Ahhh a childhood game.. been waiting for a video like this
100% loved Jacks original voice! I've always said it was way more sinister than the boring deep demon voice in lost chapters. It's the same voice actor as Dolmagus from DQ8.
Always enjoy your take on things. I was a kid when Fable came out and I was completely enthralled by the world but I honestly couldn't argue with any of your points!
Great job as always!
Loved the game as a kid, loved playing through the remastered a few years ago. Hoping Microsoft starts turning Fable around, lots of lore left to be discovered. The music in this game was excellent, I was shocked you didn't comment on it, especially the Witchwood theme, oh well. Thanks for the video.
I played this game for the first time a few summers ago. Usually with old games I never have played I tend to play them a little and put them down.
But with Fable I couldn't put it down even though it wasn't all that amazing. There was something about the game that teleported me back to the mid 2000s.
I’ll agree it’s definitely a basic story. I did like however, after a few replays, noticing that jack of blades can be seen in the background scenes in the introduction, despite having no mention in narration and little focus in the cutscene. Indeed, it does show a red robed man plunging a dagger into the back of your father, that man being Jack
I love how your character's physical appearance changes based on your actions
Jack's original voice is better on a proper sound system, but the pitch shifted one is better on Laptop speakers/phone speakers
I have really good memories playing this game with my brother growing up. It has issues; the piss easy difficulty being the main instigator. But is also has a unique atmosphere that I've never seen in any game franchise since. Like a true fairy tail brought to life and a sort of monty python esque humor.
That's why I hope we're going to get a new Fable game sometime soon cuz it had a really truly unique feel to it even though the story and things were not as promised the setting itself out really unique.
One of the hilarious things I do when playing evil is I go to Oalvale general store. Then I go to the precious gems sitting next to the fireplace in the back of the store where the shopkeep can't see.
Then I steal the gem and sell it back to him, where he puts it back where it was before. Then I steal it and sell it back again until I'm filthy rich. That's if I don't want to pick up rubies at the ancient cullis gate from all the spontaneously generated earth trolls there...
I’ll go ahead and say this: I’ve never played Fable, but the hype got me super interested in it. A part of me is curious about badly it lived up to this hype, another part of me wants to believe in the hype it generated. Maybe 20 years from now, a new game can deliver what Fable promised.
Yeah, I can really empathize with the mindset of making a game somewhat easy to allow players to experiment. Game difficulty is like an arrow. The easier it is, the more options you have (which is the base of the arrow and has the most breadth). The harder a game is, the more it requires specific strategies, aka _optimal_ strategies, which we also see in pvp games and gives us the least amount of options, often only having _one_ correct method (this part being the point of the arrow, which is the most narrow).
Ah but after 1, the difficulty drop felt like it was there to prevent softlocking while also forcing you to use the autosave system for "consequences"
0:40 *spits out coffee*
Awesome! Fable was a terrific game. Childhood memories :)
I used to drive my mum insane kicking the chickens in this game xD
100% agreed preferred old jacks voice. It was weird hearing it change in the anniversary edition and he was around so much longer too. His original voice was more soft, but just so much more creepy than a standard evil guy voice
I haven't heard someone refer to Asheron's Call in...I don't even know how long.
I also prefered the original Jack of Blades voice
*"I would like my key now MAZE"*
We all did
I was totally clueless with the hype and really enjoyed it after a friend recommended it. I can only imagine how heartbreaking it was to buy in to the hype
@0:45 "I paused there to see if that would change anyone's opinion."
I rolled my eyes because I knew exactly where you were going with this, as I heard this statement a thousand times before; everyone expected more from Fable 1 because of the promises of Molyneux. It is very normal to feel this way if you were hyped up for Fable pre launch.
That said, I remember buying both Fable and Morrowind around the same time when they were both new, as they both claimed to be these "open RPGs where you can do anything you want!" I still remember searching for this "acorn you can plant as a kid that will grow into a tree when you're an adult." Even though it didn't live up to the hype, Fable 1 was still among the better RPGs for its time.
@8:04 "The karma system was more cosmetic"
My favorite aspect of Fable is how it assigns you an identity. The game really tries to sell you this idea that "you can be whatever you want!" You can dress up your toy doll of a character as a mage, thief, or warrior, and he physically looks different based on your actions. The morality system felt like an extension to this premise, even though your options are very limited in practice. Even today, I can't think of a single game where eating makes you fat, acting like a jerk gives you horns, and increasing your strength stat makes your character look physically stronger. It's a cool idea.
@13:12 "This game has the worst escort quest"
When I first played this game as a kid, this quest singlehandedly gave me the impression that the game was bigger and deeper than it truly was. I couldn't beat it for the longest time at first, so I went off to do side content until I was strong enough to save both merchants. The rest of the game's difficulty was an enormous disappointment.
"Even today, I can't think of a single game where eating makes you fat, acting like a jerk gives you horns, and increasing your strength stat makes your character look physically stronger. It's a cool idea."
San Andreas, minus the ugly horns
That ending *cha-kooo* interrupt made me snort-chuckle just a little too loud. A fine rumination! 😆
I didn't hear about Fable until it was already out, and by people that were playing it and loved it. So I missed all the disappointment associated with the promises vs deliveries.
It's been a long time since I last played Fable, so I may be doing it a disservice, but I can't help but suspect that one reason for the low difficulty is because at higher difficulty the cracks in the combat system would stop being quirks you could ignore/work around, and start being serious problems that make the game unpleasant to play. My dim recollection is of a system with a lot of breadth, but not a whole lot of depth.
I never heard any marketing, I remember a friend told me about it at school and I picked up "the lost chapters" version at BLOCKBUSTER...good times
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure KotoR was the first to have a 'morality bar' system. Pretty sure everything earlier used reputation and opinion systems.
baulders gate had a reputation system, it would go up and down based off your actions, and um Fallout(the original) had the karma system as well I honestly do not recall which of those was released first, but I also do not believe either of those was the first to have it either.
i really hope fable 4 is a prequel and you're either a comrade or descendant of william black
I dont like difficulty sliders because they usually just debuff your damage and increase enemy damage. Occasionally it adds more enemies. Id rather either have really good polished single setting experience or a difficulty slider that makes enemies smarter. Expensive, time consuming, and difficult so I dont usually hold it against games to much but I find most difficulty sliders to be very boring and annoying. Taking longer to kill something doesnt make it harder. :/
I was actually going to ask you today if you were ever planning on doing this rumination, thank you!
I definitely enjoyed, fable was a fun game when I played it, taking it at face value. Thank you for the great content, loving the mininations by the way
I thought this was a pretty good rumination, why you gotta always be putting yourself down like that?
In particular, I enjoyed hearing your theories on the Court and the presence of magic in Albion, as well as the concept of your title becoming your "name". So if I were inserted into Albion and I happened to save someone from a group of Hobbes, I wouldn't be called Eingradd anymore; I'd be "Hobbe Slayer" or "Rescuer" or whatever. Really like that idea too.
I know you probably won't Ruminate on Fable 2 since it's not on PC, but I can hold out hope, right? Right?
This was one of my favourites as a kid. Didn't listen to marketing, so I didn't have to deal with hype. It was just super fun to do all the things :)
Also: Jack's original voice was MUCH better
Awesome new rumination ^^
I like the demon voice personally.
I agree with everything you have said the first 15 minutes so far. The game was astronomically hyped back in the 2000s for those that remember those days, and what came out was considerably less. I expected something like Zelda but with a large living breathing world.
What we got was a tiny world with platforming elements and some decent lifesim parts, forgettable characters...
When I finished it, I thought the same that I didn|t feel the need to play it again. However, I will eventually as so much time has passed and I have forgotten everything since.
What I am personally looking forward to are further advances in Xbox 360 emulation so that we can FINALLY play Fable 2.
What a lovely surprise.
I loved this game when I was a teenager
There is an easy way to do the Merchant escort quest, leave them at the entrance to each area
I remember playing this game when I was a kid. It might bring some memories actually. I dont know if it is the same version we are talking about though. I remember playing it from Yahoo Games or something like that.
One can only dream of the potential this game had.
Hell, I bet Peter Molyneux's still dreaming about it to this day.
Great video, as always dude! Just as good as the Diablo ones! :)
Good to see one based off my favourite game, from years ago.
Also, there is a lot of evidence out there to actually back up your point in 4:50.
Especially when you consider how many names the original game went through
(WishWorld, Project Ego and so on...)
EDIT: I totally understand your feeling for using RPGs/MMOs to escape from the troubles in life.
I feel like how easily they can captivate you and warp you into their worlds, is what makes them fairly addictive.
Oh yeah, if you want to know how broken the trader quest ACTUALLY IS.
You can tell the traders to just wait at the start of the mission, kill all the enemies, then walk back to them and tell them to follow, then go through. Easy.
Maybe I've forgotten something or missed something, but I've played Fable, Fable Lost Chapters, Fable 2, and Fable 3; and I have no idea who this William the Black is you keep mentioning, or about the Void or any of that...
He's mentioned in stuff outside the main games. I think in some of the novels and Fable: The Journey... a game that nobody played
I also like the Jack's original voice, I didnt even know they changed it. I had to go and look it up.
14:09 I've played Fable 10 years ago. I still remember *that* spell xD
My best friend loved the original voice
2 things
1. I recall a rumor that Molyneux specifically told devs working on gameplay "I want anyone to be able to beat this game. I want a disabled child with downs to be able to beat this game."
So it was deliberate. The other fable games are just like this.
2. You can turn off the guild masters voice. I didn't know you could do that either, until I replayed it a few years back.
I don’t think you remember Whisper very well
Fable 2 was the best of the series.
So, I was going to suggest you play the Ace Combat games, but then I discovered that there’s a website with a list of Game you’re gonna play. Cool! So Ace Combat 7 is on the list, but none of the other ones are on the list. I don’t know if you’ve played them in the past but even if you have, they’re certainly worth another look. You of course don’t have to, but I feel there’s a lot more to get out of 7 if you understand the history of world it’s in. I’m playing through Zero, 04, 5, and 6 again myself in preparation.
This was a big reason of why I got an Xbox. Really enjoyed it overall, even if I acknowledge it being mediocre
Getting an Xbox also introduced me to Morrowind, Kotor 1/2, and thr Baldurs Gate:Dark Alliance games which were a huge part of my childhood
Any thoughts on Lady Gray? :P She's obviously evil even in game, but she's always been far more creepy in this way then other games. Great Rumination btw !
You can literally just run to the end of each zone for the trader escort and they'll teleport with you lol the quest is a joke if you do it that way
So Jack is basically Sauron, he just has the one Mask to rule them all instead of a Ring.
Liked both voices equally. But I can understand why you prefer the original voice.
love the fable series, they all have high and low points.
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I forget what Jack sounded like. I think I was 14 when I played Fable.
You should've just stuck to the basic lighting spell, that's all you really need to win the game because it stuns the opponents as it damages them. That's how I did it the first time I played through Fable, just spam lightning and chuck potions when necessary.
The only two good weapons to get in the game are Skorm's Bow and the Solus Greatsword. You can get Skorm's Bow during the Trader Escort mission, see th-cam.com/video/vM-WvHCLVh0/w-d-xo.html.
I definitely preferred the original voice. I was taken aback the first time I heard the 2nd version.
I've never played video games before. But I'm watching all these ruminations and interested in starting to play with my son. We could only afford to ever buy one game system and there are so many out there. So what would you intelligent people suggest be the game system we should purchase. It doesn't have to be the newest model just something that has all these great old games that he's always talking about.
I know I'm late. But you can't go wrong with a 360, with it having backwards compatibility. Would be a great starter console, probably can find one around 60-70 doll hairs
A rumination on fable... ok i guess, literally one of my first rpg's, but not exactly much of a game to ruminate on. Yes, i remember the change of jacks's voice irritating me even as a kid.
I had so much hype for this game (Project Ego is what I believe it was originally going to be called) and was disappointed when I saw what we got instead. Disappointed but was still able to enjoy it but I was also a kid at the time so if I were to play it now I'd probably enjoy it a little less. I remember Fable 2 being a bit better but ended up liking 3 the most which I believe most people didn't like. To me it seems to be a good Xbox game but just barely an above average game, hopefully the rumors about a new one is true and they actually make something like or better than what old Peter originally sold us on before F1 and make it worth my purchase of the 1X because so far I'm not impressed.
I preferred the original voice, too!
I enjoyed fable lost chapters
Initially I never played fable but I did play Fable 2 probably a year after its release and I was still pretty young when it happened so when I was playing it I was playing it along side Kotor 2 and those two games kind of solidified my taste and RPGs and storytelling and such and combat and how everything works like that.
but I recently got Fable 1 anniversary and it's kind of give me the same Vibe I got with the first coat or game cuz I played the sequels which improve upon what came before it so when you go back to the original games it's like night and day like things are a little bit less polish a little bit less balance and other such things.
what are the way I feel like you should do a rumination on Fable 2 but don't even touch Fable 3 don't even touch with a 9-foot pole that game is trash.
I didn't mind difficulty in Fable. For me it was always a power fantasy game, where I can just go out and kill stuff without figuring out for half hour the weak spot of every enemy.
Also yeah, original Jack was way better.
I agree, Jack's original voice was much better. I am really not sure what they were thinking when they decided to re-dub him like that, it seemed like a waste of time for an inferior performance.
My obvious guess would be that they wanted to add some new voice lines for Jack, but couldn't get the old voice back, so they had to redo all his lines so the new ones would match.
Mate do fable 3 too. Also yeah original jack was better.
I have to disagree on the villain's voice, i quite prefer the changed voice. I found the original voice too...whiny for my tastes (no offense to the VA).
Is it just me? I think viod deamons feed off of will. Thier masters grow from will.
I still really love this game, but definitely not a Morrowind kiler. But yeah, the original voice of Jack was way better. No clue why they changed it for the lost chapters. The new one sucked, sounded too much like a shitty Darth Vader rip off.
The game is terrible and I love you. You are wrong !
Horrendous opinion.
This game is okay and I don't know you. You are entitled to your opinion !
Hell at least you're honest.
Fable 1, over hyped but still fun. Fable 2, under hyped and super damn awesome. Fable 3, over hyped and disappointing.
Yeah, the villain's new voice is crap imo >w>