Shout out to this video for doing a great job at illustrating the point I was trying to make here: Male Dating & Sex Struggles: A Problem In Plain Sight: th-cam.com/video/be_Ms3nVG10/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x3mRaOiGbniQKxu1&t=991
There’s this weird thing in our culture where if you don’t have sex by a certain age you’re a “loser”, or something. Especially with teenagers and young adults. I think we, as a society , should normalize the idea that sex or relationship aren’t required for happiness, if that makes sense.
Totally. I'll out myself as a 30 year old virgin to make this point (because, fuck it, if I don't someone will just find something else to make fun of me for) but I've never understood this unspoken deadline that seems to be around 30 to 40 that everyone has when it gets to having sex. If you'll pardon the pun, what's the *fucking* hurry? Just to be clear, and this might just be my anxiety talking but I feel I need to make this clear, I'm not an incel, they can fuck right off; I may be a virgin but I don't feel like anyone is obligated to have sex with me and, quite frankly, I wouldn't want to fuck someone who is only fucking me out of obligation because it would feel kinda cheap and artificial.
@@odothedoll2738 maybe but the size is incomparable people can whine as much as they can about you getting married, but an impossible idealized relationship is something that is craved by personally you stuck in a concrete box for years alone
I don’t think this is as much the case anymore. If you’re getting pressed for not having sex as teenagers, you’re hanging around some very insecure people.
It's worse than that. Plenty of youtube videos on Lookmaxxing Rizz Stupid ideas and brain rot And the nihilistic algothrim on Instagram with thinly vieled politics from the same people saying "keep politics out of gaming and movies" Lying to someone about the truth is almost as bad too
Yea, when I saw Andrew Tate's fame jumping off, I was like, "uh, didn't we already do this with Mystery and shit like 10 years ago?" but I found out, the majority of people he's scamming are teens with their parent's credit cards, so it all makes sense, it's kids being exposed to the insecure feelings for the first time, but in a new digital atmosphere when they can get fleeced much easier (and spread his rhetoric by him telling them to clip his talks into their videos)
The solution to all this would be someone like me, but others don't like me, the media silences me and I can't do anything to become famous and be able to influence others to avoid falling for scams and being continually deceived by the same charlatans selling magic tools. Thousands of people are scammed every day, but nobody cares, because if it doesn't affect you, then why bother? But I would do something about it.
I really appreciate you observing your art in an objective and open minded form! seeing you grow as a person since I was on blip watching tgwtg folks! You and Diamanda Hagan are still my favs.
Thanks man! I just think it's so cool that so many people gravitated to the song they way they did, like, people telling me they had the words memorized and it got them thru high school and stuff, it's a trip seeing people legit engaging with your art like that, it's like, "damn, i was gonna do this shit and prepare for no one to hear it anyways, but yo, preciate the that ya gave my music a minute either way!"
@@RapCritic anytime man! I rap and play guitar and it’s dope to see someone else with a musical theatre background do music with your perspective. I really relate to it since I had my friends outside and had a lot of trouble balancing the career I wanted (my music) with where my scholarships were, which was on some Hamilton ish 😂
The thing that stands out to me about the whole "Pick-up Artist" thing is all those young men were looking for clear instructions for how they should live. What they want is an easy, step-by-step guide on exactly what they need to do to be "successful", which naturally makes them extremely easy to scam. That's also Andrew Tate's whole deal as well. It's the same mentality behind crypto-currency, drop shipping, AI generated content and all manner of "get rich quick schemes": people, often young men, wanting a simple script to follow. Ikea instructions for life, as it were. And those kinds of directions for guaranteed success is something the Left can't give them. Because the Left doesn't believe in lying to people. Feels weird to say, but it's almost like the Left has too much faith in these men's ability to figure it out for themselves. I don't know why it's so prevalent. But it's clear these young men and boys have pretty much no self-confidence, hence requiring someone else to do the thinking/planning for them. I don't want to say they're "natural born followers", but they clearly have faith in the system that is constantly failing them. They fully believe everything the patriarchy tells them about male superiority, and lash out at everything except the patriarchal system when they fail to meet that impossible standard.
There was a video by ContraPoints, which is about heterosexual relationships and heteronormative expectations of a relationships that are pseudo-sadomasochistic. It was a really honest look and conversation about why Twilight works for so many women out there and, frankly, why so many women fantasize about being in the passive role. I notice this with my own relationship; we built a relationship on consent, but while consent and stability is romantic, fantasy and risk are sexually provocative to most heterosexuals. That isn't necessarily good, but you can't exactly argue when you and your girlfriend both want that out of a sexual relationship, right? Like, what would the point of that be? I think that there needs to be attention for a kind of new-wave involuntary celibacy movement to discuss openly how idealization of sexual relationships, be it Christian idealization of sex in marriage, be it homosexual relationships, be it heterosexual relationships; if you're not having sex because of the ideal relationship isn't satisfying sexually, we should be able to talk about that.
I... don't follow. Why is this not good? What can't you argue? Discuss how idealization of sexual relationships... does what? I feel like there are words missing from this post.
@@maciejstachowski183I think what he/she is trying to convey is that a lot of heterosexual relationships are not built off of genuine, mutual consent and respect, but are instead built on power dynamics that verge on sadism and masochism. And that sadomasochistic relationships are so pushed as “normal” in a heterosexual relationship that those who don’t desire a power dynamic are left out and often the ones being called out as “weird” and “losers” to an extent (because they don’t wish to comply with society’s standards of sexual desire). I think that’s what they’re trying to convey.
Im a leftie, and i absolutely hate when the left just goes "don't be blank" but then dont reallt explain what thst is. Then get mad when the right teaches them anything, even if what the right is teaching is wrong, theyre actually teaching where the left wlng wont
one sides has no answers the other side is just trying to sell you something so naturally I'll just give up on love, stick to achieving things you actually can learn in a class or book
I remember being 14-15 after my 11 years older brother bought me The Game for christmas or something I read the book pretty quickly Reading all the sordid shit Thinking, damn, so you can fuck with womens minds and insecurities to sleep with you? Huh..? That's a really dickish thing to do I'd rather just be friends with them, and if something naturally progresses, thats cool But the socieopathic pick up artist shit in that book made me feel disgusted, and it seemed so unfulfilling and lonely I think pick up artists were a bunch of nerdy losers who were trying to trick women into thinking that they aren't nerdy losers Without actually fixing their lives or becoming a better person Just acting like an insanely manipulative and creepy nerdy loser When instead they just could have been a kind hearted lovable dork
I don’t get how “being yourself” is too cliche and not helpful? Why are you trying to impress somebody or get on somebody that’s not interested in the things you like, the things you do, the things you say, or just how you move. If being yourself is turning a ton of people away then maybe it’s the person not the other party. Idk I just found that advice has lead me to success in all sorts of relationships. Maybe I’m just cool or something? I don’t really feel that way I’m just a weirdo geek/nerd, and I literally just be myself and that deadass has gotten me seggs, girlfriends, and just straight up friends plenty times. I don’t be out here courting or shit but still get love. Idk what is is f, but being myself has helped me a TON
You can't be happy if nobody likes you or if very few people like you, and the ones who do lack the means to reasonably help you into a healthy position. You will never understand the position of the unloved.
As a former MRA who's still very concerned with men's issues but is also aro/ace, this is personally the most annoying subject in the world to me. Like, of all the men's issues to discourse about, the online left had to choose the one that I have literally no input on? Then or now?
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Shout out to this video for doing a great job at illustrating the point I was trying to make here:
Male Dating & Sex Struggles: A Problem In Plain Sight: th-cam.com/video/be_Ms3nVG10/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x3mRaOiGbniQKxu1&t=991
This video is about PUAs more than incels, and when it does touch on incels it just says that they're wrong without elaboration.
There’s this weird thing in our culture where if you don’t have sex by a certain age you’re a “loser”, or something. Especially with teenagers and young adults. I think we, as a society , should normalize the idea that sex or relationship aren’t required for happiness, if that makes sense.
Totally. I'll out myself as a 30 year old virgin to make this point (because, fuck it, if I don't someone will just find something else to make fun of me for) but I've never understood this unspoken deadline that seems to be around 30 to 40 that everyone has when it gets to having sex. If you'll pardon the pun, what's the *fucking* hurry?
Just to be clear, and this might just be my anxiety talking but I feel I need to make this clear, I'm not an incel, they can fuck right off; I may be a virgin but I don't feel like anyone is obligated to have sex with me and, quite frankly, I wouldn't want to fuck someone who is only fucking me out of obligation because it would feel kinda cheap and artificial.
implying it only comes from external pressure and not from internal cravings
@@tsartomatoit’s both
@@odothedoll2738 maybe but the size is incomparable
people can whine as much as they can about you getting married, but an impossible idealized relationship is something that is craved by personally you stuck in a concrete box for years alone
I don’t think this is as much the case anymore. If you’re getting pressed for not having sex as teenagers, you’re hanging around some very insecure people.
It's tragic all around. And these poor guys get conned by charlatans trying to sell them an unrealistic lifestyle.
It's worse than that. Plenty of youtube videos on Lookmaxxing
Rizz
Stupid ideas and brain rot
And the nihilistic algothrim on Instagram with thinly vieled politics from the same people saying "keep politics out of gaming and movies"
Lying to someone about the truth is almost as bad too
Yea, when I saw Andrew Tate's fame jumping off, I was like, "uh, didn't we already do this with Mystery and shit like 10 years ago?" but I found out, the majority of people he's scamming are teens with their parent's credit cards, so it all makes sense, it's kids being exposed to the insecure feelings for the first time, but in a new digital atmosphere when they can get fleeced much easier (and spread his rhetoric by him telling them to clip his talks into their videos)
The solution to all this would be someone like me, but others don't like me, the media silences me and I can't do anything to become famous and be able to influence others to avoid falling for scams and being continually deceived by the same charlatans selling magic tools.
Thousands of people are scammed every day, but nobody cares, because if it doesn't affect you, then why bother? But I would do something about it.
Is being loved by a woman really so unrealistic?
@@youcantbeatk7006 That's... not the lifestyle they're selling, bro.
i cannot believe this
Yo I cannot believe this
JUST…. OH MY GOD 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️⁉️⁉️⁉️
I really appreciate you observing your art in an objective and open minded form! seeing you grow as a person since I was on blip watching tgwtg folks! You and Diamanda Hagan are still my favs.
Thanks man! I just think it's so cool that so many people gravitated to the song they way they did, like, people telling me they had the words memorized and it got them thru high school and stuff, it's a trip seeing people legit engaging with your art like that, it's like, "damn, i was gonna do this shit and prepare for no one to hear it anyways, but yo, preciate the that ya gave my music a minute either way!"
@@RapCritic anytime man! I rap and play guitar and it’s dope to see someone else with a musical theatre background do music with your perspective. I really relate to it since I had my friends outside and had a lot of trouble balancing the career I wanted (my music) with where my scholarships were, which was on some Hamilton ish 😂
The thing that stands out to me about the whole "Pick-up Artist" thing is all those young men were looking for clear instructions for how they should live. What they want is an easy, step-by-step guide on exactly what they need to do to be "successful", which naturally makes them extremely easy to scam. That's also Andrew Tate's whole deal as well. It's the same mentality behind crypto-currency, drop shipping, AI generated content and all manner of "get rich quick schemes": people, often young men, wanting a simple script to follow. Ikea instructions for life, as it were. And those kinds of directions for guaranteed success is something the Left can't give them. Because the Left doesn't believe in lying to people. Feels weird to say, but it's almost like the Left has too much faith in these men's ability to figure it out for themselves.
I don't know why it's so prevalent. But it's clear these young men and boys have pretty much no self-confidence, hence requiring someone else to do the thinking/planning for them. I don't want to say they're "natural born followers", but they clearly have faith in the system that is constantly failing them. They fully believe everything the patriarchy tells them about male superiority, and lash out at everything except the patriarchal system when they fail to meet that impossible standard.
There was a video by ContraPoints, which is about heterosexual relationships and heteronormative expectations of a relationships that are pseudo-sadomasochistic. It was a really honest look and conversation about why Twilight works for so many women out there and, frankly, why so many women fantasize about being in the passive role.
I notice this with my own relationship; we built a relationship on consent, but while consent and stability is romantic, fantasy and risk are sexually provocative to most heterosexuals. That isn't necessarily good, but you can't exactly argue when you and your girlfriend both want that out of a sexual relationship, right? Like, what would the point of that be?
I think that there needs to be attention for a kind of new-wave involuntary celibacy movement to discuss openly how idealization of sexual relationships, be it Christian idealization of sex in marriage, be it homosexual relationships, be it heterosexual relationships; if you're not having sex because of the ideal relationship isn't satisfying sexually, we should be able to talk about that.
I... don't follow. Why is this not good? What can't you argue? Discuss how idealization of sexual relationships... does what? I feel like there are words missing from this post.
Lol new wave incel movement made me lost iq points
@@maciejstachowski183I think what he/she is trying to convey is that a lot of heterosexual relationships are not built off of genuine, mutual consent and respect, but are instead built on power dynamics that verge on sadism and masochism. And that sadomasochistic relationships are so pushed as “normal” in a heterosexual relationship that those who don’t desire a power dynamic are left out and often the ones being called out as “weird” and “losers” to an extent (because they don’t wish to comply with society’s standards of sexual desire).
I think that’s what they’re trying to convey.
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH!
MY!
GOD!
Im a leftie, and i absolutely hate when the left just goes "don't be blank" but then dont reallt explain what thst is.
Then get mad when the right teaches them anything, even if what the right is teaching is wrong, theyre actually teaching where the left wlng wont
Oooooh, you just stated a fact?? The liberals aren't gonna like that you're getting cancelled🙅🏾♂️
@@andrethomas3637 im a straight white man, i'll be fine
>> implying i make friends
after 30 there are no friends and your old dawgs are busy and bored too
and then you go 40
Maybe become a alcoholic plenty of friends to make at bars
one sides has no answers the other side is just trying to sell you something
so naturally I'll just give up on love, stick to achieving things you actually can learn in a class or book
It really is sad
I remember being 14-15 after my 11 years older brother bought me The Game for christmas or something
I read the book pretty quickly
Reading all the sordid shit
Thinking, damn, so you can fuck with womens minds and insecurities to sleep with you?
Huh..?
That's a really dickish thing to do
I'd rather just be friends with them, and if something naturally progresses, thats cool
But the socieopathic pick up artist shit in that book made me feel disgusted, and it seemed so unfulfilling and lonely
I think pick up artists were a bunch of nerdy losers who were trying to trick women into thinking that they aren't nerdy losers
Without actually fixing their lives or becoming a better person
Just acting like an insanely manipulative and creepy nerdy loser
When instead they just could have been a kind hearted lovable dork
I don’t get how “being yourself” is too cliche and not helpful? Why are you trying to impress somebody or get on somebody that’s not interested in the things you like, the things you do, the things you say, or just how you move. If being yourself is turning a ton of people away then maybe it’s the person not the other party. Idk I just found that advice has lead me to success in all sorts of relationships. Maybe I’m just cool or something? I don’t really feel that way I’m just a weirdo geek/nerd, and I literally just be myself and that deadass has gotten me seggs, girlfriends, and just straight up friends plenty times. I don’t be out here courting or shit but still get love. Idk what is is f, but being myself has helped me a TON
You can't be happy if nobody likes you or if very few people like you, and the ones who do lack the means to reasonably help you into a healthy position. You will never understand the position of the unloved.
When you talk about Oh My God, do you mean that Tribe Called Quest song?
based
"How I dealt with the internet for less than 24 hours making fun of me by convincing myself of a deeper meaning"
Lmao, 4 months after the comment you left on the other video you're still seething in this guy's comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a former MRA who's still very concerned with men's issues but is also aro/ace, this is personally the most annoying subject in the world to me. Like, of all the men's issues to discourse about, the online left had to choose the one that I have literally no input on? Then or now?
"Grrr... why isn't everyone talking about me?!"
@@youcantbeatk7006 well... thanks for the attention
Im sorry all I can focus on is how Injustice is running at like 15 fps. It's really distracting.