There is a difference between telling someone that an area is unsafe to walk through drunk at 2 AM, and telling people to outright avoid it at all cost. No one is going to avoid your business just because that street is slightly dangerous at some off-business hours. And if a street is life threateningly dangerous, people *should* know
Have the map show areas of danger based on time of day. The data from public record almost all includes time of day that crimes occurred. So, if it's an area where at night it's dangerous, but during the day it's more mild, reflect that information in the application. Business would be much less affected in that case, since most of their primary traffic is during the day.
Time of day is definately an interesting aspect. However, if say you moved to a new city and find out your street is market as dangerous at night and you invite some people over, how would that change their wililngness to come back (or your perception of the place, even if nothing happened)? Not to say I have a solution, otherwise I'd be working on my app 😁
I think a pretty easy solution is to just have a routing option that keeps you on main roads instead of back alleys apart from where strictly necessary
@@dazzlingdexter5060 When it takes you through 20 roads, most likely there's high traffic on the main. It happened to me once. Decided I wouldn't follow Google's route and went another shorter route that I know. Welp, big mistake cuz that road was throttled. Took me a long ass time to get out of there and follow the route again. Google Maps will almost always look for time efficient routes.
People should be given route options like fastest, safest, most direct, etc. If someone has an emergency & needs to get somewhere as quick as possible, he would probably task the risk of driving through an unsafe area to save time, but tourists who don't know the area, should be able to choose the safest route. This can be done without shading an entire area as unsafe, but just showing the safest route.
All you've done is slowed down the gaming of the system. Remember, user location data is available to many apps and in turn, scraping for routes by other services (say yelp or something like that) is also very possible. You might be obfuscating the presentation of data through presenting only positives and culling negatives, but you can still use a positive to infer a negative over time with enough collected metrics (that's how science works) and there's also a very big incentive to do so.
Me: chooses safest route to X Google: finding direction to location X. You have arrived at your destination. Your destination is where you're at *ends navigation*
Google maps have started adding more shortcuts that used to be only local knowledge. It has been constantly sending people down a lane that goes into a wooded area with no lighting, in the middle of the night. I would hear people walking past my window at 2am with Google maps on loudly. So not only did they clearly have no idea where they were or what they were going into, they also were announcing that fact to anyone looking for trouble up there. It's also a really unnecessary shortcut. It turns into a really steep hill, and the couple of minutes you might save at normal speed are negated by the hill. That's more information that isn't on the app. I gave feedback to Google about it, but they won't do anything obviously. I don't think that a full scale crime map is necessary, but simply flagging an area as unlit, steep, secluded, or not accessible for all would be really helpful. Or they could just stop mapping shortcuts and leave then to the locals who know what they are doing. As a woman trying to navigate the streets, an unlit back alley is not just a minor inconvenience, but a real threat to safety.
maps and navigation are really different things. if you're just uncomfortable on a route, its not like big G is forcing you to continue staying on that dangerous route. adding a minimarket that's open 24/7 as a middle stop is a plausible solution. those people that walk past your window are probably already commited to the act. if you're the one uncomfortable in the situation, you can just put a sign that says the road isn't really meant for public use
@@helper_bot still, how many people are still liable to do the "take a Right into the tree" thing, expecting users to use common sense and their Own awareness whilst navigating whilst it's Supposed to be how it should be sadly leads to incidents like the Lost Italians,
Maybe relying on objective data is the better way to do it 1) Is the area poorly lit? 2) Are the buildings rundown? 3) Is there little foot traffic in the area? 4) Is the area a no-go police zone? I'm sure that you can get more creative and also the level of danger could be adjusted depending on the time of day. To counter my own point, this could be a bit of a broken window fallacy, but the added advantage would be that it would also improve the user experience. I mean travelling on an empty, poorly lit street with decrepit buildings isn't exactly my idea of fun.
I was visiting in a sketchy area and my Apple Watch wanted me to 'go for a walk' late at night to close my rings. I said "Apple's trying to kill me again" 😂😂😂
You gotta risk it for the biscuit man. Exercise and stay in shape at all costs. Apple is an adrenaline junky, imagine how fun it would've been from a horror point of view.
For real. Apple was like “hmmm this dude has an Apple Watch and an iPhone. If he gets robbed he’ll buy our shit again… yeah let’s tell him to go out hehe”
I thought about this one a lot, There is a couple of safe bets you can do which will not remove all danger but quite a bit of it. - prefer streets with shops - avoid - garage-ways - residential courtyards - avoid highway bridges (below and under) - avoid at all costs Parks at Night !!!
@@davemccombs there is quite a few parks google maps sent me trough by night here in London.🥶 The way along regent's canal which has almost no light at all is also very often presented as the best itinerary 😅
Ok thx i guess i always felt that it was kinda sketchy for me as a teen to go in parks late at night just to work out so i dont get judged by people at daylight.
government parks are okay as long as they're actually maintained.... i think crime rates are just subjective things, you can't count on real life data to associate connections. it'd be totally better for locals to put up signs saying beware of high crime rates and provide some kind of quick how-to guide if you're ever in danger.
Maybe avoid the whole problem by relying on the individual who is currently navigating. Disregard crime rates and other data sources. If I am navigating with gmaps and feel unsafe, I should be able to hit a button "I feel unsafe, please reroute" prompting maps to firstly find the quickest way out of this part of town and calculate a new route that avoids it. It may not be as elegant as other solutions but you would avoid large scale changes to how people are moving through a city. That's just the first thought that came to mind when I watched this video.
@@insanitycubed8832 That is true although it depends on the country you live in and if you are using maps on your cars infotainment system or on your phone. It might be necessary to implement this feature via voice command when driving. Also you might be on foot or there is a passenger in the car who is allowed to use the phone.
@@T0phT0ph Car screen and phone screen are legally distinct some places? interesting. Well I can't see any issues with this anymore except if google bites back and says it's safe lol
Look, I don't really care about crime rates (I've got super invisibility as a power, it's not something I stress about), I just wish Google Maps didn't try to steadfastly force me to cross a bridge that literally has no deck and has been reported out of service for several months, no matter how many times I tried to force an alternate route. Like, don't tempt me, Google, it's 1 a.m. and I just worked 12 hours shift on Thanksgiving and my Lyft cancelled on me last minute. I might just.
This Problem accured to my multiple times It would be awsome to be able to report this or at least tell google there is a blocked road and force it to find an alternative Route
@@The_otschi I'm actually baffled this isn't a feature. Just outright telling the system the route is completely blocked and what road in particular has the blockage so it can calculate a new route. It often calculates multiple routes, but often all the routes share many roads, and if those roads contain a blockage, you're kind of on your own.
Omg yes, being able to change the routes to alternatives on your own would be a game changer. It's strange enough to me that even in my home country germany, which is pretty interconnected with the world crucial bridges can be blocked for months already which everyone knows about but Google Maps still somehow thinks I can just magically pass it anyway
A girl of my school and his friend got shot just because Google Maps led them into a dangerous area. This happened in Monterrey, Mexico and it led them into Independencia which is probably one of the most dangerous areas in our city, they were returning from a concert trying to get to some other friend’s house and Google Maps led them right into that area. Fortunately both survived but I think a feature like this is needed to stop this from happening
@@FreelancerFreak You are so far from the truth on so many levels. Its honestly even hard to blame people for their ignorance when American and western media more broadly only talks about Mexico when they can run a story on border security and cartels. Mexico is a HUGE country, I believe it's somewhere around tenth in both population and size, the level of danger is greatly dependent on who you interact with and what part of the country you're from. Yes, it is true that practically all of Mexico has a cartel presence, but most places, especially where people live, only have the presence of one cartel. Most of the violence is either with people who either unfortunately get involved in the cartels and either them or their family get into trouble, or in contested areas. With some exceptions, the majority of the territorial disputes are in the north near the border, where controlling entrances into the US is highly lucrative. Most of Mexico's population is in the south, very far from the violence near the border. This is not to say that their aren't serious issues of violence in that region of the country or to minimize those people's plight, but in no way is that the only reality of living in Mexico. In addition, the cartels definitely do influence the government and contribute to corruption, but most places are not "lawless". Just like most places, theirs issues with bribery, and with entities with large amounts of money affecting politics to benefit their interests. Theirs definitely real problems in Mexico, but people also live normal and fulfilling lives. Mexico is very much safe for westerners, as long they don't enter through dangerous parts of the American border, or put themselves in taxi situations where they could get mugged. Mexico is so incredibly miss understood in the west and it's pretty upsetting.
@@FreelancerFreak Mexico is a Nation in active Civil War just not for the Gov't but really it varies State by State within Mexico. They each have their own Travel Risk Ratings unlike most countries
The other problem is that Google would end up being sued by people who get mugged while traveling through a "safe area". Moreover, just because an area is 'high crime', it could be that 99% of that crime happens between rival gangs and is actually quite safe for those not involved - I have lived in such neighborhoods before and other than having my house tagged once, was left completely alone and never feared for my safety.
your first sentence is a strong argument, they wouldn't be able to label areas as good or bad, or even low risk/high risk with such things without risking being on the hook for it, even if its TOSsed out and its just the court of public opinion. But your other sentence, no most people are utterly risk adverse. Unless like you they were living there and didn't have an immediate alternative, people wont willingly subject themselves to risk absent some other motivating factor....
@@themadmallard I agree that most people say they are risk averse, but also that most people are utter shit at assessing and mitigating risk. I’d argue the most dangerous thing about driving through a “bad” neighborhood is by far the driving itself, not the neighborhood. Instead, I’d say most people are “fear averse”, and assume that if they’re afraid, the thing they’re afraid of must be dangerous.
Instead of "safe", you should call these areas "safe and effective". Then if anyone disagrees, label them a conspiracy theorist and ban them from social media. Also, say that anyone who questions your app is a "science denier" and "literally killing grandma". And if anyone gets video-footage that proves crime happens in areas that you deemed safe, then label those "break-through crimes" and pretend they're rare, even if they're not.
If their your in a high crime area i doubt people will only do 1 or 2 illegal things, when a place become ruled by gangs its not just drjg selling that happen, there is vengeance and a lot of time the family of and friend of the person are concerned even if they don't do anything illegal
I was surprised by how accurate the thumbnail was with the dangerous area, I used to work in a shop in Finsbury and it was in-between on the border with he Finsbury gangs and manor house gangs, it was super dangerous but we were not bothered because we used to give some of the gang members so free food. It was surreal to me and I will never go there again
actually they have system like that, called googl street view. Let me explain: I'm from İstanbul and as most people known it's very famous city and very well visited city from all over world. And anyone has been in istanbul would tell you Taksim area is most tourist are. Just by walking 3-5 min walking distance there is neirborhood called "tarlabaşı" And that area did not street viewed. Other area jist a few hundred metre close istiklal street (main street of are ) is street viewed over deacde like almost every one or two years. Another example in same city, most expats live in Şişli area but just behind of Trump Tower neirborhood called "kuştepe" is never also street viewed. If you wanna see which places you should not go, that would be where google street view did not go. In 20 million people lived in that city and %5 of downtown is not street viewed over decade and here is your answer. Anyone can check it from google street view map in downton istanbul realize it
Actually, though, another way to get an idea of what parts of a city are particularly rough to go to would be through pizza/food delivery drivers. Many of these places have "don't go" lists where it's unsafe to send their drivers especially after dark. I'd actually consider speaking to them when building such a feature.
I would totally use this to mark my neighborhood as the complete and utter hood to keep gentrification out and rising home costs. I would love this. I would make sure there were alerts all times of day. Because my city has had locals virtually priced out now that everyone can work remotely.
I think the moral of the story is too not completely rely on technology. If you're in a foreign city I would suggest asking the locals for directions or even just ask them if there are areas to avoid. This way you get accurate information and you might even make new friends.
I agree, don't rely solely on tech to navigate. It has well-known issues. Almost all my routes are mapped initially using digital maps like Google Maps, & then adjusted by me as needed. If I try a route & it has issues, I can write that down for future routing. I really need to find my old city map, so I can go fully paper routing.
This should be common sense to me. I always google the unsafe areas and I’ve been safe in so many different countries and cities. Some places are known to be unsafe for women, and maybe I have to have a male walking with me like in India for example. Some places are only safe in the tourist spots. You just have to have awareness.
@@spookyblush-speedruns you can probably also ask around on forms about areas to avoid for extra information sources, would also help you avoid unnecessary social interaction if your not comfortable with asking strangers directly for information
100% there’s a lot of talk in the comments about ‘feeling unsafe’ but often non locals get into trouble when they feel safe in a dangerous place. i was was warned by someone that the place i was in wasn’t safe (on holiday) and i’ve told people that there’s no need to worry when i knew somewhere was safe. this isn’t really something you can codify into an area on a map or a notification
If the crime reports are driving customers and tourists away shouldn't the communities fight against the crime in those areas? it should incentivize the people to be more cautious and up-and-arms against criminal and immoral activities. but they'll complain about the low ratings instead...
Yeah. The way he looks at it you could just as well complain that there are public crime records to being with Also dumb how apparently the feelings of people are more important to him then people not being murdered
Public crime records are ok as far as they go, but they are hardly perfect. People who make a defensive use of a gun in which nobody was hurt are often unlikely to make a report of the incident to police, typically not worth the bother involved. In extremely high crime areas, police may not bother to even take reports of most crimes, much less make arrests for most crimes, especially petty crimes, thus the area won't look as dangerous as it really is from the public records. Police can bribed to ignore crime or destroy records. Or as we saw in 2020 in the USA, for political reasons police chiefs or mayors may decide to just release extremely dangerous criminals without charging them, even if they are getting picked up by police multiple times, and without charges there is no record at all of the risk in the area. Or going the other direction as we see with Jan 6, lots of people getting the book thrown at them for extremely minor things, making an area look far more dangerous than it actually is. Now sure, in most areas the public crime records are a reasonably good approximation of the relative safety of the area, but it is exactly the areas where things are most likely to be the most risky where the public data is the most likely to be least reliable. That said, yeah, that is weak in my mind as well that people would be more concerned that an app like this will drive away tourists from an area rather than be concerned that the area is so dangerous in the first place and should be cleaned up. Unfortunately, we all know the "left" in western societies will moan on endlessly about how racist it is and make their demands and organize boycotts and who knows what all else. And companies in the west are, for whatever reason, absolutely terrified of this loud minority, even though they are in no way reflective of the majority of society. So as long as our society allows itself to be dominated by this loud minority, we're all kind of stuck with having to deal with these kinds of issues. So our host is not wrong to point it out, not necessarily because it makes sense, but because it is just the world we live in.
@@fryphillipj560 That's not what was said and you know it. Nobody said criminals should stop doing crime, rather that non-criminals should figure out ways to drive out the criminals. And if they are helpeless to do so for whatever reason (say the police or government has sided with the criminals, common in parts of Mexico, for example), then they need to not complain when their areas are identified as extremely dangerous. In other words: put up or shut up. If you live in an area notorious for high rates of violent crime and you want to encourage tourists to come to your area, you are no better than the criminals. Perhaps even worse, as the criminals aren't bloody well going to be the ones luring people to the area, only the non-criminals can convincingly do that. Knowingly and intentionally drawing people to their doom, even if you personally aren't the trigger man, still makes you an evil person.
@@fryphillipj560 I mean yeah in certain circumstances the crimes are stopped by the bypassers we all know that. There are other simple things people can do to reduce crime in communities such as reporting suspicious activity, not accepting bribe, mentoring the youth, pushing local politicians, having surveillance cameras etc etc. If we didn't move our fingers because something is not so simple the society wouldn't exist, but i think you're too young to get that. You need growing up before you can be enlighten
Let's not forget that "dangerous" is highly subjective. I'm a paramedic and I used to work in one of the most violent cities in the US, but the really dangerous area was much, much smaller than most people think, maybe a couple square blocks. The rest of the place was still pretty poor, deprived, and sketchy-looking to someone who wasn't familiar with it, and I wouldn't want to leave my car there for any length of time, but it wasn't *violent.* 99 out of a hundred people there were just ordinary, good folks trying to get by.
this happened to me in Brazil, me and a friend were biking on our city and i think google maps route for bikes avoid steep roads bcs the main road is hard to climb and we got re-routed to a really poor and far suburb, there was a dude naked on daylight, people looking at us weird and he told me there was a drug point there
Actually such map already exists. Or it's similar to what you are talking about in the video. It's called "hoodmaps". And it is extremely and hilariously accurate. I lived in Saints Petersburg, Russia and the description people gave to the districts are on point. I strongly recommend people check it out.
I just checked it out and it was pretty accurate except someone marked where I was born as “rich” instead of a crime hotspot. I don’t know if they’re trying to be funny, but they may get someone hurt that way lol
I run through what I can only be described as 'The Hood'. I like running through because my adrenaline goes way up and I would have a heart attack before I walked in this area. Never had any problems except once their were 5 men standing on a corner, and two had their hands behind behind their back like they were about to draw. I waved, and they realized I was an old white guy an no threat and they waved back (one said Get It).
One thing I learned about Google maps is that if it give you a route it isn't necessarily the shortest. A couple of years ago we traveled to Hungary and we had a spare six hours to spend in London. We were around Oxford Street and wanted to make our way to China town. I knew the are fairly well as I used to work and live in London, but I still asked Google for directions. Surprisingly it wanted us to walk through Oxford Street then into some alley ways to China town, whilst the shortest route would be just follow the back roads to end up at our destination. Google clearly wanted us to be in the busy area and probably spend money in shops that pay Google to be listed on.
‘cross the street and walk into the Apple store and right through it to the back. then walk out the Apple store and across the road to the Adidas shop…’ haha
The truth is that the people in charge do not want to acknowledge crime as a problem. You kind of touched on part of that but gave the "softer" version.
2:07 In Rio de Janeiro there is an app called OTT or Onde Tem Tiroteio (Where Is The Shooting). The population basically reports where there are violent crimes and gunfire going on in the city in real time, similar to Waze when it comes to traffic.
Wow it's so unfortunate that violent crime is so bad that residents feel the need for such an app! Hope the city can reduce crime without further worsening Inequality.
I said fuck no immediately to the crowdsourcing idea, unclear if you were going with crowd sourcing in addition to the per capita crime rate solution you were getting at just before or just abandoing it for crowd sourcing, but I think just the per capita crime rate thing is the best option
Crowdsourcing seems like it would be a fast track to legitimizing bigots' worldviews. Anyone can make a "danger" report, and there's no way to prove whether the report was legitimate or deliberately made by someone who seeks to ruin the reputation of areas inhabited by groups of people they don't like.
That's the obvious, easy and best solution which makes it so bizarre that his idea was to involve even more people into the problem. The solution is to simply map out the reasonable probability of a person being a victim of a specific type of crime and if that value is exceeded, then Google will just offer a different route as the "best" route. No flashy warnings of gangbangers or stranger danger. To start with, using per capita rating of violent crimes while accounting whether they're domestic in nature. Creating a layout of the expected rate of those crimes on a larger geographical scale as to not create pointless danger zones. Then Further finetuning with other metrics like demographics to account for things like a black girl walking through Compton vs a white girl doing the same. Regardless of how the problem is tackled, the public doesn't need to have any awareness of any of it happening in order to achieve the goal and bing bong, problem solved.
I mean the number of crimes reported doesn't always equal the number of crimes that occurred. Sometimes a crime happens and no one finds out until decades later, sometimes a cop has a bad day and just throws out charges. What crimes count as bad enough to be counted? Piracy is technically a crime but I wouldn't say a place is more dangerous because someone uploaded a mp4 of the latest marvel movie.
crowdsourcing would be good only if it was only used to direct police to patrol more frequently in areas that get reported often while keeping a crime per capita overlay that gets regularly updated with a set decay period so areas can show recovery if crime isnt reported after certain amounts of time pass with special exceptions for particularly bad areas
In my neighborhood, I try to pretend those sounds are fireworks. Unless it's around the 4th or new years, it's usually not fireworks. Especially when followed by flashing blue and red lights, and the body bags.
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 Fortunately around those times most of them are. Key word is "most", because not all of them are. They're probably more gunshots then I recognize then, because the fireworks sounds cover them up. People also ignore laws, so fireworks can happen any time of the year. Usually they're gunshots though, except for holidays.
Every port call, we get a safety brief. The last ports I’ve been to, I think I was able to fit in so a lot of the locals probably thought I was a local. I remember also been told how I give off this criminal vibe. A lot crewmates were surprised how I just went off by myself and I be like yeah, no bothered me. Basically, don’t look like a clown. Look like you’re into some sketchy stuff
Before I watch the video id like to make an educated guess of why Google doesn't do this. I believe it's because well 1) It can ruin many businesses near that area which I'm sure many lawsuits would head towards Google 2 society itself will probably begin to segregate themselves from those areas and lastly 3) crime itself can actually skyrocket in those areas more since it would be considered a bad area already.
When you said that local businesses and real estate owners would be mad my initial thought was "well, you are in a bad spot, that's it, your real estate prices should be low for such areas, nobody wants to pay a lot to be in a dangerous place" and then I thought, wait, that would make the area worse. I am glad you mentioned it at the end of the video
You mark the area as unsafe which leads to dropping prices which leads to low income recidents which leads to higher crime which leads to less people wanting to come into a neighbourhood... It's like gentrification, but in reverse. I wouldn't be suprised if it already worked like this in many areas.
So would the solution be to force innocent people into those dangerous areas? I mean fuck them right? If they get robbed, get hurt, or get murdered at least it didn't hurt the locals feelings!
@Deus Ex Machina or forcing landlors tu actually repair their house, and tenant to not destoy the house willingly (it does happen and no legal recourse at least where i live)
I believe there's already some version of this in the app. I've had walks late at night directed by the app through main streets instead of secondary ones, the difference in time wouldn't be much, but it's obvious that it isn't optimized only on "time to travel".
to be fair google maps does highlight areas where there is an active/major incident, back when there was a shooting in el paso the entire area was shaded red and closed road icons littered the area. some of the wildest rerouting i ever experienced
I think he missed one big issue which is criminals will use the feature to find areas marked as 'safe', in order to target people with a false sense of security; knowing there will be a higher level of foot traffic directed there from the maps as well
You don't think criminals don't already leave their hood to go burglarize, steal cars, and rob people? Are you not aware other people can problem solve? Also there is a reason why profiling works and will never go away. Criminals just get mad when they get caught in a place they obviously stand out in. Just like I would stand out as a target if I went to their hood.
One nice feature they have introduced is showing which neighbourhoods are busy. This could be used in theory as some safe space as loads of people are there. Although on the other hand it could also be where crime is happening if there's loads of people there! Anyway I like it!
3:39 Love sneaking in a little LOST reference at the word "travel." Definitely my favourite TV show about someone getting more than they bargained for when traveling.
Nah. You don't wanna be racist. Just try not to die or get robbed. Better for you to die than to hurt someone's feelings by avoiding their crime infested streets!
@@joshix833 sounds like a plan we'll get right on that but in the meantime let's just flipped the switch and make it so that innocent people can avoid dangerous areas and not get mugged or killed.
I was passing thru Ybor City in Tampa, FL (can be very nice in some areas) after a long road trip and the GPS led me thru a very rundown slum town with houses barring and boarding broken windows up the wazoo. I was coming to a stop light at this completely empty and unlit 4-way intersection, aside from the small gas station approaching to my left. As I stop, I gander into the parking lot and notice that there are multiple men all who appeared to be poorly disguised in loose balaclavas and bandanas. I immediately noticed that they were carrying machetes, and as soon as I noticed I wigged the fuck out and I guess in a fight or flight instinct I start taking off while the light's still red, but not even thinking I'm subconsciously pulling into the gas station. I snapped out of it when I saw one of the men turn towards me, and now I'm just shitting my pants realizing what I've done. I hook my car in reverse and boom it down where the GPS was leading me next, but it wasn't a very long stretch of road approaching one of the main bridges back home. The whole time I'm checking my rearview for anyone that could be following me being the paranoid schizo that I am lol
thats one of the other problems with this map idea though, if an area is marked unsafe and a person still chooses to go that way, they might feel scared. scared people would probably break the law more, as you have done
@@L83467 that sounds completely up to the fruition of the person though, and I definitely would've taken an alternative route with hindsight. I'm also not actually for the idea of marking areas that are deemed unsafe on maps, just because I know how the stigma of growing poor up affects you
How about this. Google just stops directing down the sketchiest back alleys possible to save all of 3 minutes from slow lights and a yellow amount of traffic across 2 blocks. More than once it's led me through marginal streets to reach the loading bay *back* of a mall, rather than give me main street directions that would take me to the front door. One of my two suggestions years back to google was a "Fewest turns" route suggestion, to keep you on main roads where possible, which is great in a new area where you're learning your way around. And a "Follow my route" opt in, especially if I know a better way than what the app is suggesting.
Neighborhoods that find themselves being avoided because word gets out about how badly they suck have two options: A. stop sucking or B. demand everyone stop broadcasting how much they suck. Guess which they are most likely to choose.
Sometimes the word sticks around long after it has any meaning anymore. Sometimes actions are being proactively taken in the area and are about to give fruits any day now. You can't get correct data about this stuff. And homeowners will sue your ass because of that, you're damaging their rent revenue and resale price based on hearsay. Sounds a lot like defamation. Also: redlining and how this would reinforce it. Also: if you base this stuff on polls, you know who will fill those polls? Karens. An army of karens.
@@frien_d Yes about the Karens But it can not be hersay if you bas this on actual officiall reports It is just an display of avilible raw data If you draw a heat map of car crashes to find areas that need improvement based on dokumentation of crashes that happend you don't use hersay, you just rework factual data to make them easyer understandible and quicker to interpret, you start with factual data and end with factual data the only difference is that the work of looking into every single case and displaying it in a more user friendly way has been done already
@@The_otschi Did you just leave a comment to someone w/o making past the first minute in the video? He goes into the problem with heatmaps based on factual data at 1:11.
If traveling in a new city, here's my best safety tips: do your "off the beaten path" exploring in broad daylight, just spring for the cab or what-have-you after dark. Buy yourself a quality guidebook, a decent one should help you avoid potentially dangerous neighborhoods and know what scams or crimes are common in the area. Talk to locals if possible to find out of you should avoid an area or ask for directions.
I feel like the best way to know if an area is safe or not is to ask some locals where to avoid. (Of course, that might not help if you don’t know the language…) Perhaps just don’t deviate from the beaten path in big cities that you’re unfamiliar with.
This is ultimately a fantastic video about user experience. Explaining your progression of knowledge about why people behave the way they do is so awesome. Great video!
v1 fix: Show areas' crime rates relative to population. v2 fix: This doesnt require fix, Just ignore complaints. You only made readily available data more available to people. Complainers should make their neighborhood safer in the long term and compete in that with other places.
@@fryphillipj560 No. Get back to the basic building blocks of communities and civilization as a whole. Self governance and accountability. If these areas would practice even basic levels of self policing, accountability, and responsibility, then the very nature of human beings would quickly engage. That being capitalism in the true definition. Capitalism isn't a implementation of a system, it is the system that naturally emerges and the more organically it is allowed to grow the more effective, efficient, unbiased, and equality centric it will be. It has its disadvantages of course and like any structure it will eventually become predatory and will topple when it gets too heavy. These fuses are lit by interference in the market and all external interference is a fuse that will ultimately lead to a bomb that deforms, damages, or destroys part or all of the structural integrity. But back to community. The communities that we are discussing are their own detriment. Not in a stop being poor way, but in a stop making things worse way. These communities lose funding and buildings close and programs are cut for whatever reason... well what happens? The narrative is that government doesn't care so they cut funding or that the corporations deserted the communities or nobody will invest to help make the environment better. Yet when those things do happen what happens. The area improves and businesses may come back which provides jobs. Or investment money is having a positive impact so in turn more investments roll in. Unfortunately it never gets this far because cries of gentrification and exploitation push investors and businesses to areas that aren't accusing them of some form of depravity. Another example. The repeated talking point of policing. Either they don't care about the communities and make no efforts to....or they are targeting it. Both can't be true. In fact neither are true in the vast majority of cases. Police presence is almost always directly in correlation with crime. They go where the crime is. That isn't a matter of prejudice, it's a matter of logic. This is easily proven with loud voices and marches calling for justice and launching allegations of Indifference. Great example is the 2pac and biggie murders. I've watched a hundred documentaries and they always say the cops don't care about solving their cases.... however these same documentaries and those same community voices have cultivated the entire issue with the demonization of police cooperation. You can't scream for justice one minute and say snitches get stitches the next. Those two things don't work together. There isn't a cop standing there to see every murder. So they tend to rely on evidence. The evidence not only includes witness accounts and testimony but even the physical evidence is often discovered based on information provided. If the witnesses say snitches get stitches and f the police and refuse to cooperate... guess what! For the communities to improve they have to wish to improve. Self accountability and self policing. They have to want the criminal element out of the community to get it out. Regardless if it is your neighbors son or he is only 16 or even your own family. Crime drops when criminals drop. Businesses are willing to risk investing when crime drops. Job opportunities increase when businesses invest. Environment and housing improves when job quality increases. Schools increase when taxes from quality jobs are paid. Good teachers come to good schools. Good teachers develop after school programs. After school programs keep the kids occupied constructively. Constructive activities reduce the criminal element. Juvenile crime decreases combined with income improvement create educational opportunities for the next generation. They bring their skills back to the community rather than leave for safety. They invest in businesses and properties. Those properties are generational and the upward trending cycle is infinite. But it starts on your street.
@@fryphillipj560 "Won't someone think of the criminals!" Is one helluva pearl clutch gotta admit. You could just stop hurting people and none of this would be a problem.
@@BrettShadow I completly agree and you explaned it verry well, I was thinking almost the same but it was not that detailed in my head And to the origilal commend Why even switch to v2.0 Use v.10 and just apply both fixes
When reading the comments about shootings and bad areas I almost cried out of joy that I live in the EU. I only heard about Sweden and France having a few migrant ghettos, that's it
My guy. Even if those brands *could* brainstorm ideas better than yours they'd already be in use. Anything more efficient than your brilliant ideas is nothing short of worthy.
Hasn't there been situations of police using crime statistics to change patrol routes resulting in a feedback loop of finding crimes where they go not because they go where there are more crimes, but because there are crimes everywhere and wherever there are bigger concentration of cops is where there will be a bigger number of cops finding (or manufacturing) a justification for their paychecks?
Suggested feature: Give me the ability to "train" my GPS app and teach it custom routes. My ways of getting around traffic usually involve some combination of main roads, back roads and side streets. However, because of the "less than ideal" roads in my route it wouldn't typically be used in any of the suggested routes. An optional feature could also allow me to have some "saved' hotspots on my routes. Get me to "THIS" spot and then use my custom route to finish the trip. I also hate sitting still in traffic. I'll often get off at an earlier exit knowing my route is probably going to be a little longer but I'm not stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, especially on a hot summer day (when it would be bad to have your A/C on).
I live in Rio de Janeiro. It's not uncommon for Google maps telling me to drive for unsafe areas. Once I almost got shot. At least for driving there should be an algorithm that doesn't tell the fastest way to go to your destination is through a slum. My destination it's not the heaven.
Another factor could be that with a system like this it could be seen that the company has some responsibility for the safety of its users, even if people should ultimately be responsible for their own safety realistically, if your data thats supposed to keep people aware of dangerous areas doesnt notify someone of an upcoming dangerous area and route them away when it does for other, some would see the company as responsible if something bad where to happen to that user. You could theoretically put some sort of clause in the terms of service and/or end user license agreement that says the user is unable to claim the company responsible or sue them for any harm caused to them while using their application/service, but it still opens up that area for debate and you would still have to hire a legal team to handle that area and any incoming legal actions against you.
I would like an "adventure mode" where you can set a time or a distance like 1 hour and then google shows you interesting things and you could use the in app filters if you want to see restaurants or parks or other things and after that time it guides you back
Live in Mexico, coming back to home from visiting my Dad in the hospital it took me on an other route directly through cartel land, wasn't a pleasant experience.
I live in México too. I remember a time i have to go to a state i have never been and google maps took me to a road that loked okay at first. But halfway there it turns into a dirt road without any lighting next to the train tracks without enough space to turn around. The worst thing is that it happened in the afternoon and I was left in the dark on that road, which was also quite long. Google maps marked it as the best route to go.
A traveler feature would be a nice idea where either when you activate it or when your google timeline notices that you've never been it this part or city, tells you which areas ar best to be avoided. Regulars shouldn't get notified or wouldn't use it because they know their way around already and don't need it.
Exactly what I was going to post. There's no tech bro solution to the effects of segregation, unless by some miracle they decide to their put money towards reparations.
That's one of those mapping applications that have to constantly check and update while evolving. There is also timed base areas where at certain times the crime is higher than others.
Cool idea, but this video falls apart when you realize it’s hard to truly quantify what a ‘bad area’ is in a real-time application. So why in the hell would Maps try this in the first place?
Google won't do this because it will hurt the feelings of a special cohort which many never, under any circumstances, be insulted, criticized or disparaged.
well google aint a travel agent company is it, but surely they do advertise one. i got hotspots on my map that is labelled as tourist spots, with an image thumbnail on the pin, probably endorsed by the government
In 2017, Google introduced a neat feature into Maps that would suggest walking instead of driving, suggesting you would burn X mini cupcakes worth of calories during the walk. It lasted a week before someone got mad on twitter and they pulled it.
Before watching this I was thinking the main reason that analytics isn't used this way, aside from lowering traffic to the area, is 4:13. But the fact is that people already game the google maps analytics to suppress competition. There was a video by Ranking Academy that covers this exact topic. So it literally wouldn't change a thing if Gmaps decided to show you the information. Also, law enforcement already has their own internal version of maps that uses machine learning to predict crime fields through K-means clustering. Take a look at the Chicago crime prediction program from about 5 years ago, it was scary how effective its trial run was. I'm talking Minority Report vibes.
@@gehenna14 the answer is immigrants bringing their incompatible culture, just look at sweden and denmark. R*pe more than doubled as muslims are responsible for over half of all r*pes...
I think it would be realistic to give users the ability to “block” certain areas - maybe by drawing a shape on the map - and then not routing the user through those areas. This absolves Google of all responsibility/complexity for figuring out what is unsafe - and would be very useful for users who know their city well and generally know what areas they want to avoid.
I feel like the solution is to take the crime rates for a given area, divide it based on crime (so simple crimes like pickpocketing are separate from more serious crimes like mugging or murder), scale it with the population, and then divide the range of values into tiers, which each tier providing accurate information about the crime in the area (low, moderate, high, severe, etc, as well as the specific statistics)
poorer neighbourhoods or those that are perceived as more dangerous have more police presence though, which leads to higher crime rates. its the same reason that African American people are arrested for violating marijuana possession laws at nearly four times the rates of white people, yet both ethnicities consume marijuana at roughly the same rates.
@@L83467 They don't actually consume at the same rates. Regardless, pulling police out of neighbourhoods with high murder rates won't make the murder rates go down. They're there due to the obscenely high murder rates.
how about custom filters? let the users decide what shows up. include tons and tons of options. then, let some users on forums build custom profiles.. that way, its not google, its forum users.
I'd be happy with Google Maps knowing about detours on motorways and major carriages rather than constantly trying to reroute me back through a closed road.
Whilst this is an interesting video and an interesting concept an app that alerts users is only as good as the data itself. If someone visiting a city I would expect before booking accommodation has done a bit of research about where the safer and where the more dangerous areas are around where they might want to stay. If they haven't and are just relying on an app then they are in for a surprise. You also miss the point about mapping services, it isn't just there to help you get around, get from a to b, but it's there to make money for the owner of the app, which will generally come from businesses, some of which might be in areas where there is a certain level of crime, who just wouldn't pay to have their business listed if the app also disuaded people from going to the area the business was in. When I went to Rio I did a bit of research on where to go and where to avoid, I wouldn't just rely on an app to keep me safe because whether an area is safe or not is often subjective, and if I did stray into an area where I felt a little unsafe (and it may have been a safe area, there can be crime there too so you should always be on your guard) then I'd just turn around and head back to where I came from, try and get a cab. The problem with crime data is that way if there is an assault or a robbery in a fairly prosperous, wealthy area it gets reported, but in a, let's say more dodgy area, it doesn't (maybe it would on a tourist, but the locals don't trust the police, they police their own areas, and this is probably true of the worst areas) so it wouldn't show up highly on crime reports compared to a more touristy area, even though every local knows it's best for a tourist not to go there. So quantifying with simple statistics isn't as easy as it sounds and it depends on whether crimes get related. Also say an area has 4 or 5 murders one month, is that an unsafe area of it hasn't had one in the previous year? Does a high pickpocketting rate make an area unsafe or are we just talking about risk to life? The final nail in the coffin is that every country records crimes differently so collating the data would be a nightmare and very good consuming and costly, and that's not to mention that every time there is a change in how the data is collected or reported the app (or backend system that collects the data) would need to change to reflect it, by which time the bad areas might not be the bad areas and the good ones might have regressed. It just isn't worth it. It is solving a problem that didn't exist, people just need to do what any same traveller has always done, do a bit of background research, which isn't that difficult, and ask the locals. For Google or Apple it just isn't worth their time and money, and they just don't want to alienate plentiful customers.
Google maps tried to get me killed. Instead of going on the safe route that had lots of lights, business, and plenty of other people and cars and was a straight line all the way down to the destination, it took me straight into the most frightening area. I walked right into a hostile environment, with big men screaming at each other. Which I didn’t notice cause I had earbuds in.. so partially my fault. They all had baggy clothes on and it seemed like something was about to happen. Two of the men had hands in their wait bands… When I was there, They all stopped to stare at me as I walked past not realizing google was taking me 30 mins to save only a few mins. I simply turned around walking past the guys again. Now they are yelling things at me but I’m too afraid to hear what’s being said. And walked back the way I came from with my phone in my sleeve. I could feel their eyes just staring at me. It was almost Sun down and none of the street lights came on. I realized the pile of trash bags near some tireless vehicles were actually homeless sadly. They were sleeping on the street next to the bins. There was needles on the ground and used condoms and other garbage I didn’t notice until then. I was now more than terrified and felt so stupid risking my life just to save a few mins not paying attention and looking at my phone. Once I turned two blocks and right back on the Main Street I ran with my adrenaline high and started jogging to get myself to stop freaking out at what I just saw. And if I might be being followed. I wasn’t. I just never felt so dumb before. Only looking down at my phone with ear buds in my ears and not realizing the screams until looking up and seeing it.. and not even looking at my surroundings. Google was a huge jerk the entire time I walked to my destination and tried to get me to go down every single dark alley street instead of allowing me to continue straight ahead. I turned off the maps volume and followed the street names instead. Now I’m always looking at the routes and seeing if the neighborhoods look unsafe to walk down.
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It's easy: learn to interpret satellite images. I always have the satellite image layer activated, that way I feel better located
I do this all the time too, it's useful if you know what to look for, but you can argue that for example, if you live somewhere with a lower standard of living, you might think a lot of places in the US are actually safe when they aren't. Or vice versa, you might be used to a higher standard of living and not know how to recognize worse off economic places from actual crime zones, happened to me in both scenarios
Google doesn't do it but someone makes a plug-in for Google for California and it shows you all the gang territories the highlighted in different colors and the key map tells you what gang that is. When you talk it on it just shows all the colored territories and then you can look at the key that works at least on Android phones with the Google Maps app. It's basically otago you switch on and also Waze was bought out by Google so they are the ones that are having people submit unsafe things are speed traps and then it gets put it into Google Maps as far as like traps or accidents and things like that.
One thing that I've noticed in my city - I live in the downtown core - is that when there is less traffic (both ped and vehicle), it becomes more dangerous. This became pretty evident during the pandemic when the downtown business core emptied out and crime went up - although obviously other socio-economic factors contributed to that. I feel that rerouting people away from certain areas would exacerbate existing crime levels and end up doing more harm than good.
The solution is simple. Don't alert people that an area is dangerous, no notification whatsoever. Just don't path through there when giving directions to users.
And this is why software desperately need just stay in their lane and not try and make everything about data. This kind of data driven system has terrible knock-on effects on the communities it is being forced upon and and does not even necessarily solve the problem it claims to be solving.
This was great! A refreshing video idea to go through a very realistic scenario while explaining the thought process and the complexities involved. On the topic: this sounds like information I could imagine already existing in tourist guides. An app for a tourist guide could very well also include an embedded map view.
why is it Google's responsibility at all? If a public place is unsafe I think that's the government's fault it's not accessible by the public like it should be.
We live in a world where men can rape a woman on a Subway car in the daytime, and rather than help, bystanders will start filming... There are no safe areas.
Some map apps HAD an "avoid the ghetto" option a few years ago and it was swiftly shut down. We've already been through this is the thing and it didn't work.
One thing to consider is that in the US areas with more minority populations have more police in them so crimes in those areas are reported more often. So there’s a cycle of more police -> more arrests -> more police. The classic example of this is that white and black people use marijuana at the same rates but black people are far more likely to be arrested for it.
Good point. There's also the opposite effect-where police in marginalized communities are less likely to report/charge/investigate crimes where the victims are part of the community, like domestic violence, and more likely to police crimes where the victims are likely to be outside the community, like the aforementioned narcotics.
What is an unsafe area? I've gone in and through areas deemed "unsafe" and I haven't had any problems, even at night. On the other hand, I have had problems in "safe" areas in the daytime. There's no such thing as safe. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and their own lives.
Also, if Google marked an area unsafe and a person or city didn't agree or didn't like it they would sue. It could cost them a lot of money in legal bills.
i take issue with the responsibilty line of thinking but yeah, you're right, what is deemed as safe is different for different people. for example, central park karen thought she was threatened by that birdwatcher and so she called the cops on a totally innocent guy. the concept of danger is influenced by peoples biases
@@L83467 He told her, "If you're going to do what you're going to do, I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and you're not going to like it." That's not something a man tells you a half-mile away from anyone else early in the morning and you just brush off. Dude was a creep. He even admitted he said that to her.
It could start with some basics. For example, I have driven past signs that say “High crime area. Do not stop.” If the local police don’t want you there, then it’s probably not a good idea to go there. An active war zone would be another pretty obvious one, as would areas where the crime is so bad that emergency services can’t rescue you. If you go on some basics like these, then there wouldn’t be that much data, but maybe that’s the point - we probably don’t need to avoid most areas, just use some common sense.
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There is a difference between telling someone that an area is unsafe to walk through drunk at 2 AM, and telling people to outright avoid it at all cost. No one is going to avoid your business just because that street is slightly dangerous at some off-business hours. And if a street is life threateningly dangerous, people *should* know
Agree
No there isnt. people dont know. If you tell someone an area is dangerous sometimes people will avoid it. Thats a basic survival mechanism
Have the map show areas of danger based on time of day. The data from public record almost all includes time of day that crimes occurred. So, if it's an area where at night it's dangerous, but during the day it's more mild, reflect that information in the application. Business would be much less affected in that case, since most of their primary traffic is during the day.
@@ForTheOmnissiah but people might look at Google maps the night before and see that it's an "unsafe" area, while it actually isn't during the day
Time of day is definately an interesting aspect. However, if say you moved to a new city and find out your street is market as dangerous at night and you invite some people over, how would that change their wililngness to come back (or your perception of the place, even if nothing happened)?
Not to say I have a solution, otherwise I'd be working on my app 😁
I think a pretty easy solution is to just have a routing option that keeps you on main roads instead of back alleys apart from where strictly necessary
Google maps already does that
Is this why google takes me in 20 roads when I could literally just go in a striaght line?
Yeah it already does that. The main roads almost always being the fastest route by design.
Use Waze if u wanna go through the back blocks
@@dazzlingdexter5060 When it takes you through 20 roads, most likely there's high traffic on the main. It happened to me once. Decided I wouldn't follow Google's route and went another shorter route that I know. Welp, big mistake cuz that road was throttled. Took me a long ass time to get out of there and follow the route again.
Google Maps will almost always look for time efficient routes.
People should be given route options like fastest, safest, most direct, etc. If someone has an emergency & needs to get somewhere as quick as possible, he would probably task the risk of driving through an unsafe area to save time, but tourists who don't know the area, should be able to choose the safest route. This can be done without shading an entire area as unsafe, but just showing the safest route.
All you've done is slowed down the gaming of the system. Remember, user location data is available to many apps and in turn, scraping for routes by other services (say yelp or something like that) is also very possible. You might be obfuscating the presentation of data through presenting only positives and culling negatives, but you can still use a positive to infer a negative over time with enough collected metrics (that's how science works) and there's also a very big incentive to do so.
I have an idea, how about we fix the crimes themselves
@@akkoismydaughter3573 Or better yet, the causes of crime socioeconomically so less or even no people have to turn to crime.
Me: chooses safest route to X
Google: finding direction to location X. You have arrived at your destination. Your destination is where you're at *ends navigation*
@@osakanone if there is a system at all, it can be gamed.
Google maps have started adding more shortcuts that used to be only local knowledge. It has been constantly sending people down a lane that goes into a wooded area with no lighting, in the middle of the night. I would hear people walking past my window at 2am with Google maps on loudly. So not only did they clearly have no idea where they were or what they were going into, they also were announcing that fact to anyone looking for trouble up there. It's also a really unnecessary shortcut. It turns into a really steep hill, and the couple of minutes you might save at normal speed are negated by the hill. That's more information that isn't on the app. I gave feedback to Google about it, but they won't do anything obviously. I don't think that a full scale crime map is necessary, but simply flagging an area as unlit, steep, secluded, or not accessible for all would be really helpful. Or they could just stop mapping shortcuts and leave then to the locals who know what they are doing. As a woman trying to navigate the streets, an unlit back alley is not just a minor inconvenience, but a real threat to safety.
maps and navigation are really different things. if you're just uncomfortable on a route, its not like big G is forcing you to continue staying on that dangerous route. adding a minimarket that's open 24/7 as a middle stop is a plausible solution. those people that walk past your window are probably already commited to the act. if you're the one uncomfortable in the situation, you can just put a sign that says the road isn't really meant for public use
In before someone gets triggered about you only mentioning it being unsafe for women.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e 😂
@@helper_bot still, how many people are still liable to do the "take a Right into the tree" thing, expecting users to use common sense and their Own awareness whilst navigating whilst it's Supposed to be how it should be sadly leads to incidents like the Lost Italians,
It also incenvises people to light areas appropriately, so this would actually be a positive.
Maybe relying on objective data is the better way to do it
1) Is the area poorly lit?
2) Are the buildings rundown?
3) Is there little foot traffic in the area?
4) Is the area a no-go police zone?
I'm sure that you can get more creative and also the level of danger could be adjusted depending on the time of day.
To counter my own point, this could be a bit of a broken window fallacy, but the added advantage would be that it would also improve the user experience. I mean travelling on an empty, poorly lit street with decrepit buildings isn't exactly my idea of fun.
You keep using that word: "Objective". I don't think it means what you think it means.
@@frien_d Well, I do love to be corrected, but for that smugness isn't really gonna cut it
@@georgecozma8376 Seeing smugness where none is shown huh? offended?
@@frien_d Yes, the points stated are exactly what the term 'objective facts' means
@@DrAjASK thank you
Would have made the exact same Statement
I was visiting in a sketchy area and my Apple Watch wanted me to 'go for a walk' late at night to close my rings. I said "Apple's trying to kill me again" 😂😂😂
the way you wrote this sounds similar to "Taking a Long walk from a short pier"
You gotta risk it for the biscuit man. Exercise and stay in shape at all costs. Apple is an adrenaline junky, imagine how fun it would've been from a horror point of view.
For real. Apple was like “hmmm this dude has an Apple Watch and an iPhone. If he gets robbed he’ll buy our shit again… yeah let’s tell him to go out hehe”
@@Voron_Aggrav "taking a short walk into a long standoff."
I thought about this one a lot, There is a couple of safe bets you can do which will not remove all danger but quite a bit of it.
- prefer streets with shops
- avoid
- garage-ways
- residential courtyards
- avoid highway bridges (below and under)
- avoid at all costs Parks at Night !!!
Parks at night? Fuck that, where the FUCK
@@davemccombs there is quite a few parks google maps sent me trough by night here in London.🥶
The way along regent's canal which has almost no light at all is also very often presented as the best itinerary 😅
Ok thx i guess i always felt that it was kinda sketchy for me as a teen to go in parks late at night just to work out so i dont get judged by people at daylight.
@@anne4922 google maps secretly wants us dead
government parks are okay as long as they're actually maintained.... i think crime rates are just subjective things, you can't count on real life data to associate connections. it'd be totally better for locals to put up signs saying beware of high crime rates and provide some kind of quick how-to guide if you're ever in danger.
Maybe avoid the whole problem by relying on the individual who is currently navigating. Disregard crime rates and other data sources. If I am navigating with gmaps and feel unsafe, I should be able to hit a button "I feel unsafe, please reroute" prompting maps to firstly find the quickest way out of this part of town and calculate a new route that avoids it. It may not be as elegant as other solutions but you would avoid large scale changes to how people are moving through a city.
That's just the first thought that came to mind when I watched this video.
If you're not in a safe area, it's only less safe to stop there
@@insanitycubed8832 I agree, but why would you stop in this scenario?
@@T0phT0ph To "hit a button". Technically illegal to do that driving
@@insanitycubed8832 That is true although it depends on the country you live in and if you are using maps on your cars infotainment system or on your phone. It might be necessary to implement this feature via voice command when driving. Also you might be on foot or there is a passenger in the car who is allowed to use the phone.
@@T0phT0ph Car screen and phone screen are legally distinct some places? interesting. Well I can't see any issues with this anymore except if google bites back and says it's safe lol
Look, I don't really care about crime rates (I've got super invisibility as a power, it's not something I stress about), I just wish Google Maps didn't try to steadfastly force me to cross a bridge that literally has no deck and has been reported out of service for several months, no matter how many times I tried to force an alternate route. Like, don't tempt me, Google, it's 1 a.m. and I just worked 12 hours shift on Thanksgiving and my Lyft cancelled on me last minute. I might just.
This Problem accured to my multiple times
It would be awsome to be able to report this or at least tell google there is a blocked road and force it to find an alternative Route
@@The_otschi I'm actually baffled this isn't a feature. Just outright telling the system the route is completely blocked and what road in particular has the blockage so it can calculate a new route. It often calculates multiple routes, but often all the routes share many roads, and if those roads contain a blockage, you're kind of on your own.
Yall wanna use waze. You can report clousures, incorrect speed limits, traffic, and police positions and all users can see it
Omg yes, being able to change the routes to alternatives on your own would be a game changer. It's strange enough to me that even in my home country germany, which is pretty interconnected with the world crucial bridges can be blocked for months already which everyone knows about but Google Maps still somehow thinks I can just magically pass it anyway
You have the power of invisibility? 🤨
A girl of my school and his friend got shot just because Google Maps led them into a dangerous area. This happened in Monterrey, Mexico and it led them into Independencia which is probably one of the most dangerous areas in our city, they were returning from a concert trying to get to some other friend’s house and Google Maps led them right into that area. Fortunately both survived but I think a feature like this is needed to stop this from happening
Well isn't Mexico basically one huge lawless zone, were people are loped off for bus fare
I probably wouldn’t travel through Mexico outside of tourist spots. I just wouldn’t know enough about where to avoid
@@FreelancerFreak You are so far from the truth on so many levels. Its honestly even hard to blame people for their ignorance when American and western media more broadly only talks about Mexico when they can run a story on border security and cartels. Mexico is a HUGE country, I believe it's somewhere around tenth in both population and size, the level of danger is greatly dependent on who you interact with and what part of the country you're from. Yes, it is true that practically all of Mexico has a cartel presence, but most places, especially where people live, only have the presence of one cartel. Most of the violence is either with people who either unfortunately get involved in the cartels and either them or their family get into trouble, or in contested areas. With some exceptions, the majority of the territorial disputes are in the north near the border, where controlling entrances into the US is highly lucrative. Most of Mexico's population is in the south, very far from the violence near the border. This is not to say that their aren't serious issues of violence in that region of the country or to minimize those people's plight, but in no way is that the only reality of living in Mexico. In addition, the cartels definitely do influence the government and contribute to corruption, but most places are not "lawless". Just like most places, theirs issues with bribery, and with entities with large amounts of money affecting politics to benefit their interests. Theirs definitely real problems in Mexico, but people also live normal and fulfilling lives. Mexico is very much safe for westerners, as long they don't enter through dangerous parts of the American border, or put themselves in taxi situations where they could get mugged. Mexico is so incredibly miss understood in the west and it's pretty upsetting.
@@FreelancerFreak Mexico is a Nation in active Civil War just not for the Gov't but really it varies State by State within Mexico. They each have their own Travel Risk Ratings unlike most countries
@@oaxtec765 2 Americans dead & 4 Kidnapped in a border state that was high risk you were on point
The other problem is that Google would end up being sued by people who get mugged while traveling through a "safe area".
Moreover, just because an area is 'high crime', it could be that 99% of that crime happens between rival gangs and is actually quite safe for those not involved - I have lived in such neighborhoods before and other than having my house tagged once, was left completely alone and never feared for my safety.
your first sentence is a strong argument, they wouldn't be able to label areas as good or bad, or even low risk/high risk with such things without risking being on the hook for it, even if its TOSsed out and its just the court of public opinion. But your other sentence, no most people are utterly risk adverse. Unless like you they were living there and didn't have an immediate alternative, people wont willingly subject themselves to risk absent some other motivating factor....
@@themadmallard I agree that most people say they are risk averse, but also that most people are utter shit at assessing and mitigating risk. I’d argue the most dangerous thing about driving through a “bad” neighborhood is by far the driving itself, not the neighborhood.
Instead, I’d say most people are “fear averse”, and assume that if they’re afraid, the thing they’re afraid of must be dangerous.
Instead of "safe", you should call these areas "safe and effective". Then if anyone disagrees, label them a conspiracy theorist and ban them from social media.
Also, say that anyone who questions your app is a "science denier" and "literally killing grandma".
And if anyone gets video-footage that proves crime happens in areas that you deemed safe, then label those "break-through crimes" and pretend they're rare, even if they're not.
If their your in a high crime area i doubt people will only do 1 or 2 illegal things, when a place become ruled by gangs its not just drjg selling that happen, there is vengeance and a lot of time the family of and friend of the person are concerned even if they don't do anything illegal
Lol. Google would win that lawsuit.
I was surprised by how accurate the thumbnail was with the dangerous area, I used to work in a shop in Finsbury and it was in-between on the border with he Finsbury gangs and manor house gangs, it was super dangerous but we were not bothered because we used to give some of the gang members so free food. It was surreal to me and I will never go there again
bruh, you literally give them a protection wtf?
i thought this only happened with the mafia
@@Zack-fu4lo the Mafia is a literary abstraction of a part of human nature. protection rackets occur everywhere, even in corporate hierarchies.
Finsbury is not the same as Finsbury Park.
Finsbury is a very safe mainly commercial area in the City of London, dead central.
actually they have system like that, called googl street view. Let me explain: I'm from İstanbul and as most people known it's very famous city and very well visited city from all over world. And anyone has been in istanbul would tell you Taksim area is most tourist are. Just by walking 3-5 min walking distance there is neirborhood called "tarlabaşı" And that area did not street viewed. Other area jist a few hundred metre close istiklal street (main street of are ) is street viewed over deacde like almost every one or two years.
Another example in same city, most expats live in Şişli area but just behind of Trump Tower neirborhood called "kuştepe" is never also street viewed.
If you wanna see which places you should not go, that would be where google street view did not go. In 20 million people lived in that city and %5 of downtown is not street viewed over decade and here is your answer.
Anyone can check it from google street view map in downton istanbul realize it
that'd work in some cities but would not work in others
My country is a developing nation and we do not have Google Street View.
@@luismadrigal-hidalgo my country has privacy laws and we don't have much Google Streetview and if so it's outdated anyways (Germany)
In Brazil even the unsafe regions are on street view
@@luismadrigal-hidalgo well, there you have it. a proposed solution is to leave your country immediately upon receiving this message /j
Idc if local businesses get mad or people get hurt feelings. I'd still rather not be shot or mugged.
Actually, though, another way to get an idea of what parts of a city are particularly rough to go to would be through pizza/food delivery drivers. Many of these places have "don't go" lists where it's unsafe to send their drivers especially after dark. I'd actually consider speaking to them when building such a feature.
I would totally use this to mark my neighborhood as the complete and utter hood to keep gentrification out and rising home costs.
I would love this. I would make sure there were alerts all times of day. Because my city has had locals virtually priced out now that everyone can work remotely.
I think the moral of the story is too not completely rely on technology. If you're in a foreign city I would suggest asking the locals for directions or even just ask them if there are areas to avoid. This way you get accurate information and you might even make new friends.
I agree, don't rely solely on tech to navigate. It has well-known issues. Almost all my routes are mapped initially using digital maps like Google Maps, & then adjusted by me as needed. If I try a route & it has issues, I can write that down for future routing. I really need to find my old city map, so I can go fully paper routing.
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This should be common sense to me. I always google the unsafe areas and I’ve been safe in so many different countries and cities. Some places are known to be unsafe for women, and maybe I have to have a male walking with me like in India for example. Some places are only safe in the tourist spots. You just have to have awareness.
@@spookyblush-speedruns you can probably also ask around on forms about areas to avoid for extra information sources, would also help you avoid unnecessary social interaction if your not comfortable with asking strangers directly for information
100% there’s a lot of talk in the comments about ‘feeling unsafe’ but often non locals get into trouble when they feel safe in a dangerous place. i was was warned by someone that the place i was in wasn’t safe (on holiday) and i’ve told people that there’s no need to worry when i knew somewhere was safe. this isn’t really something you can codify into an area on a map or a notification
If the crime reports are driving customers and tourists away shouldn't the communities fight against the crime in those areas? it should incentivize the people to be more cautious and up-and-arms against criminal and immoral activities. but they'll complain about the low ratings instead...
Yeah. The way he looks at it you could just as well complain that there are public crime records to being with
Also dumb how apparently the feelings of people are more important to him then people not being murdered
Public crime records are ok as far as they go, but they are hardly perfect. People who make a defensive use of a gun in which nobody was hurt are often unlikely to make a report of the incident to police, typically not worth the bother involved. In extremely high crime areas, police may not bother to even take reports of most crimes, much less make arrests for most crimes, especially petty crimes, thus the area won't look as dangerous as it really is from the public records. Police can bribed to ignore crime or destroy records. Or as we saw in 2020 in the USA, for political reasons police chiefs or mayors may decide to just release extremely dangerous criminals without charging them, even if they are getting picked up by police multiple times, and without charges there is no record at all of the risk in the area. Or going the other direction as we see with Jan 6, lots of people getting the book thrown at them for extremely minor things, making an area look far more dangerous than it actually is.
Now sure, in most areas the public crime records are a reasonably good approximation of the relative safety of the area, but it is exactly the areas where things are most likely to be the most risky where the public data is the most likely to be least reliable.
That said, yeah, that is weak in my mind as well that people would be more concerned that an app like this will drive away tourists from an area rather than be concerned that the area is so dangerous in the first place and should be cleaned up. Unfortunately, we all know the "left" in western societies will moan on endlessly about how racist it is and make their demands and organize boycotts and who knows what all else. And companies in the west are, for whatever reason, absolutely terrified of this loud minority, even though they are in no way reflective of the majority of society. So as long as our society allows itself to be dominated by this loud minority, we're all kind of stuck with having to deal with these kinds of issues. So our host is not wrong to point it out, not necessarily because it makes sense, but because it is just the world we live in.
Yeah man, just like stop doing crime lol. It's that easy, thank you for enlightening me
@@fryphillipj560 That's not what was said and you know it.
Nobody said criminals should stop doing crime, rather that non-criminals should figure out ways to drive out the criminals. And if they are helpeless to do so for whatever reason (say the police or government has sided with the criminals, common in parts of Mexico, for example), then they need to not complain when their areas are identified as extremely dangerous.
In other words: put up or shut up. If you live in an area notorious for high rates of violent crime and you want to encourage tourists to come to your area, you are no better than the criminals. Perhaps even worse, as the criminals aren't bloody well going to be the ones luring people to the area, only the non-criminals can convincingly do that. Knowingly and intentionally drawing people to their doom, even if you personally aren't the trigger man, still makes you an evil person.
@@fryphillipj560 I mean yeah in certain circumstances the crimes are stopped by the bypassers we all know that. There are other simple things people can do to reduce crime in communities such as reporting suspicious activity, not accepting bribe, mentoring the youth, pushing local politicians, having surveillance cameras etc etc.
If we didn't move our fingers because something is not so simple the society wouldn't exist, but i think you're too young to get that. You need growing up before you can be enlighten
Let's not forget that "dangerous" is highly subjective. I'm a paramedic and I used to work in one of the most violent cities in the US, but the really dangerous area was much, much smaller than most people think, maybe a couple square blocks. The rest of the place was still pretty poor, deprived, and sketchy-looking to someone who wasn't familiar with it, and I wouldn't want to leave my car there for any length of time, but it wasn't *violent.* 99 out of a hundred people there were just ordinary, good folks trying to get by.
this happened to me in Brazil, me and a friend were biking on our city and i think google maps route for bikes avoid steep roads bcs the main road is hard to climb and we got re-routed to a really poor and far suburb, there was a dude naked on daylight, people looking at us weird and he told me there was a drug point there
I think the moral of this story and the video is don’t go to Brazil😂
@@jamariiion bro i live there
@@thonnytrombonni1676 dam sorry my boy we going to save you👍🏽
@@thonnytrombonni1676 he's joking bro (and its not because he doesn't like Brazil)
Actually such map already exists. Or it's similar to what you are talking about in the video. It's called "hoodmaps". And it is extremely and hilariously accurate.
I lived in Saints Petersburg, Russia and the description people gave to the districts are on point.
I strongly recommend people check it out.
Let me see what it says for my city. I live in the suburb but I know 70% of the inner city will be marked in red lol
I just checked it out and it was pretty accurate except someone marked where I was born as “rich” instead of a crime hotspot. I don’t know if they’re trying to be funny, but they may get someone hurt that way lol
@@monicarenee7949 Do you live there now?
Because in St. Petersburg, some areas that are marked as normal of rich, were quite bad 10-15 years ago
Thanks for recommending this. I live in Calgary and it's accurate to my knowledge and have me insights I wasn't aware of but seem accurate.
@@justinwhite2725 Happy you found it useful :)
It also has a lot of funny ass things in it.
I run through what I can only be described as 'The Hood'. I like running through because my adrenaline goes way up and I would have a heart attack before I walked in this area. Never had any problems except once their were 5 men standing on a corner, and two had their hands behind behind their back like they were about to draw. I waved, and they realized I was an old white guy an no threat and they waved back (one said Get It).
One thing I learned about Google maps is that if it give you a route it isn't necessarily the shortest. A couple of years ago we traveled to Hungary and we had a spare six hours to spend in London. We were around Oxford Street and wanted to make our way to China town. I knew the are fairly well as I used to work and live in London, but I still asked Google for directions. Surprisingly it wanted us to walk through Oxford Street then into some alley ways to China town, whilst the shortest route would be just follow the back roads to end up at our destination. Google clearly wanted us to be in the busy area and probably spend money in shops that pay Google to be listed on.
‘cross the street and walk into the Apple store and right through it to the back. then walk out the Apple store and across the road to the Adidas shop…’ haha
The truth is that the people in charge do not want to acknowledge crime as a problem. You kind of touched on part of that but gave the "softer" version.
2:07 In Rio de Janeiro there is an app called OTT or Onde Tem Tiroteio (Where Is The Shooting). The population basically reports where there are violent crimes and gunfire going on in the city in real time, similar to Waze when it comes to traffic.
Wow it's so unfortunate that violent crime is so bad that residents feel the need for such an app! Hope the city can reduce crime without further worsening Inequality.
I said fuck no immediately to the crowdsourcing idea, unclear if you were going with crowd sourcing in addition to the per capita crime rate solution you were getting at just before or just abandoing it for crowd sourcing, but I think just the per capita crime rate thing is the best option
Crowdsourcing seems like it would be a fast track to legitimizing bigots' worldviews. Anyone can make a "danger" report, and there's no way to prove whether the report was legitimate or deliberately made by someone who seeks to ruin the reputation of areas inhabited by groups of people they don't like.
Agree
That's the obvious, easy and best solution which makes it so bizarre that his idea was to involve even more people into the problem.
The solution is to simply map out the reasonable probability of a person being a victim of a specific type of crime and if that value is exceeded, then Google will just offer a different route as the "best" route. No flashy warnings of gangbangers or stranger danger.
To start with, using per capita rating of violent crimes while accounting whether they're domestic in nature. Creating a layout of the expected rate of those crimes on a larger geographical scale as to not create pointless danger zones. Then Further finetuning with other metrics like demographics to account for things like a black girl walking through Compton vs a white girl doing the same.
Regardless of how the problem is tackled, the public doesn't need to have any awareness of any of it happening in order to achieve the goal and bing bong, problem solved.
I mean the number of crimes reported doesn't always equal the number of crimes that occurred. Sometimes a crime happens and no one finds out until decades later, sometimes a cop has a bad day and just throws out charges. What crimes count as bad enough to be counted? Piracy is technically a crime but I wouldn't say a place is more dangerous because someone uploaded a mp4 of the latest marvel movie.
crowdsourcing would be good only if it was only used to direct police to patrol more frequently in areas that get reported often while keeping a crime per capita overlay that gets regularly updated with a set decay period so areas can show recovery if crime isnt reported after certain amounts of time pass with special exceptions for particularly bad areas
Great video presentation. You are a natural talented filmmaker. That's your calling, I can see it. Keep up the good work!
In my neighborhood, I try to pretend those sounds are fireworks.
Unless it's around the 4th or new years, it's usually not fireworks.
Especially when followed by flashing blue and red lights, and the body bags.
I feel like you know a place is dangerous when new years and july 4 sounds are most likely not fireworks
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 Fortunately around those times most of them are. Key word is "most", because not all of them are. They're probably more gunshots then I recognize then, because the fireworks sounds cover them up.
People also ignore laws, so fireworks can happen any time of the year. Usually they're gunshots though, except for holidays.
@@rmt3589 oh I misread the comment
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 It's all good.
Every port call, we get a safety brief. The last ports I’ve been to, I think I was able to fit in so a lot of the locals probably thought I was a local. I remember also been told how I give off this criminal vibe. A lot crewmates were surprised how I just went off by myself and I be like yeah, no bothered me. Basically, don’t look like a clown. Look like you’re into some sketchy stuff
Before I watch the video id like to make an educated guess of why Google doesn't do this. I believe it's because well 1) It can ruin many businesses near that area which I'm sure many lawsuits would head towards Google 2 society itself will probably begin to segregate themselves from those areas and lastly 3) crime itself can actually skyrocket in those areas more since it would be considered a bad area already.
Well I guess I can say I got the first guess right and sort of the second one? Aye!? Lol
I just discovered this channel! And I’ve always wondered why maps don’t show dangerous areas 😅
Thanks for the video! You’ve got one more subscriber 💪
Thank you Raffaele! Saw quite some of your videos too in the last years, good stuff!
(Sent you a DM on Instagram, wanted to connect 🖖)
When you said that local businesses and real estate owners would be mad my initial thought was "well, you are in a bad spot, that's it, your real estate prices should be low for such areas, nobody wants to pay a lot to be in a dangerous place" and then I thought, wait, that would make the area worse. I am glad you mentioned it at the end of the video
You mark the area as unsafe which leads to dropping prices which leads to low income recidents which leads to higher crime which leads to less people wanting to come into a neighbourhood... It's like gentrification, but in reverse. I wouldn't be suprised if it already worked like this in many areas.
So would the solution be to force innocent people into those dangerous areas? I mean fuck them right? If they get robbed, get hurt, or get murdered at least it didn't hurt the locals feelings!
@@cascadecontroller How to solve this problem?
@@ApofKol Actually maintaining public housing would be a great starting point.
@Deus Ex Machina or forcing landlors tu actually repair their house, and tenant to not destoy the house willingly (it does happen and no legal recourse at least where i live)
Bruh this would change the property values and the game of gentrification to whole new level
I believe there's already some version of this in the app. I've had walks late at night directed by the app through main streets instead of secondary ones, the difference in time wouldn't be much, but it's obvious that it isn't optimized only on "time to travel".
to be fair google maps does highlight areas where there is an active/major incident, back when there was a shooting in el paso the entire area was shaded red and closed road icons littered the area. some of the wildest rerouting i ever experienced
I think he missed one big issue which is criminals will use the feature to find areas marked as 'safe', in order to target people with a false sense of security; knowing there will be a higher level of foot traffic directed there from the maps as well
You don't think criminals don't already leave their hood to go burglarize, steal cars, and rob people? Are you not aware other people can problem solve?
Also there is a reason why profiling works and will never go away. Criminals just get mad when they get caught in a place they obviously stand out in. Just like I would stand out as a target if I went to their hood.
The safe areas are likely safe due to police presence, lighting, and people
One nice feature they have introduced is showing which neighbourhoods are busy. This could be used in theory as some safe space as loads of people are there. Although on the other hand it could also be where crime is happening if there's loads of people there! Anyway I like it!
3:39 Love sneaking in a little LOST reference at the word "travel." Definitely my favourite TV show about someone getting more than they bargained for when traveling.
When driving through the United States I wish I had this. Soo many unsafe areas.
Nah. You don't wanna be racist. Just try not to die or get robbed. Better for you to die than to hurt someone's feelings by avoiding their crime infested streets!
They should just fix inequality and make these areas safer
@@joshix833 sounds like a plan we'll get right on that but in the meantime let's just flipped the switch and make it so that innocent people can avoid dangerous areas and not get mugged or killed.
@@joshix833 Found the Marxist. Inequality has nothing to do with it. Some people are born animals.
@@NotTheAverageBurner but that would make the inequality worse
I was passing thru Ybor City in Tampa, FL (can be very nice in some areas) after a long road trip and the GPS led me thru a very rundown slum town with houses barring and boarding broken windows up the wazoo. I was coming to a stop light at this completely empty and unlit 4-way intersection, aside from the small gas station approaching to my left. As I stop, I gander into the parking lot and notice that there are multiple men all who appeared to be poorly disguised in loose balaclavas and bandanas. I immediately noticed that they were carrying machetes, and as soon as I noticed I wigged the fuck out and I guess in a fight or flight instinct I start taking off while the light's still red, but not even thinking I'm subconsciously pulling into the gas station. I snapped out of it when I saw one of the men turn towards me, and now I'm just shitting my pants realizing what I've done. I hook my car in reverse and boom it down where the GPS was leading me next, but it wasn't a very long stretch of road approaching one of the main bridges back home. The whole time I'm checking my rearview for anyone that could be following me being the paranoid schizo that I am lol
running a red light if you feel you're in danger isn't illegal, or, well, shouldn't in most emergency situations
Sounds like fun
thats one of the other problems with this map idea though, if an area is marked unsafe and a person still chooses to go that way, they might feel scared. scared people would probably break the law more, as you have done
@@L83467 that sounds completely up to the fruition of the person though, and I definitely would've taken an alternative route with hindsight. I'm also not actually for the idea of marking areas that are deemed unsafe on maps, just because I know how the stigma of growing poor up affects you
In your attempt to escape you probably brought yourself more attention lol, glad you are safe though.
How about this. Google just stops directing down the sketchiest back alleys possible to save all of 3 minutes from slow lights and a yellow amount of traffic across 2 blocks. More than once it's led me through marginal streets to reach the loading bay *back* of a mall, rather than give me main street directions that would take me to the front door.
One of my two suggestions years back to google was a "Fewest turns" route suggestion, to keep you on main roads where possible, which is great in a new area where you're learning your way around. And a "Follow my route" opt in, especially if I know a better way than what the app is suggesting.
"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make."
A lot of people don't realize is this is literally how segregation originally happened with estate-agents (and is still happening, with red-lining)
Neighborhoods that find themselves being avoided because word gets out about how badly they suck have two options: A. stop sucking or B. demand everyone stop broadcasting how much they suck.
Guess which they are most likely to choose.
Sometimes the word sticks around long after it has any meaning anymore. Sometimes actions are being proactively taken in the area and are about to give fruits any day now. You can't get correct data about this stuff. And homeowners will sue your ass because of that, you're damaging their rent revenue and resale price based on hearsay. Sounds a lot like defamation. Also: redlining and how this would reinforce it. Also: if you base this stuff on polls, you know who will fill those polls? Karens. An army of karens.
@@frien_d
Yes about the Karens
But it can not be hersay if you bas this on actual officiall reports
It is just an display of avilible raw data
If you draw a heat map of car crashes to find areas that need improvement based on dokumentation of crashes that happend you don't use hersay, you just rework factual data to make them easyer understandible and quicker to interpret, you start with factual data and end with factual data the only difference is that the work of looking into every single case and displaying it in a more user friendly way has been done already
@@The_otschi Did you just leave a comment to someone w/o making past the first minute in the video? He goes into the problem with heatmaps based on factual data at 1:11.
I miss being a child, the world and all it's problems seamed so much easier to fix back then.
It's the second one. It's easier, and it makes you feel like a victim, which is apparently a good thing now.
If traveling in a new city, here's my best safety tips: do your "off the beaten path" exploring in broad daylight, just spring for the cab or what-have-you after dark. Buy yourself a quality guidebook, a decent one should help you avoid potentially dangerous neighborhoods and know what scams or crimes are common in the area. Talk to locals if possible to find out of you should avoid an area or ask for directions.
I feel like the best way to know if an area is safe or not is to ask some locals where to avoid.
(Of course, that might not help if you don’t know the language…)
Perhaps just don’t deviate from the beaten path in big cities that you’re unfamiliar with.
This is ultimately a fantastic video about user experience. Explaining your progression of knowledge about why people behave the way they do is so awesome. Great video!
v1 fix: Show areas' crime rates relative to population.
v2 fix: This doesnt require fix, Just ignore complaints. You only made readily available data more available to people. Complainers should make their neighborhood safer in the long term and compete in that with other places.
agree
Yeah man, just don't be poor you fool lol
@@fryphillipj560 No. Get back to the basic building blocks of communities and civilization as a whole. Self governance and accountability. If these areas would practice even basic levels of self policing, accountability, and responsibility, then the very nature of human beings would quickly engage. That being capitalism in the true definition. Capitalism isn't a implementation of a system, it is the system that naturally emerges and the more organically it is allowed to grow the more effective, efficient, unbiased, and equality centric it will be. It has its disadvantages of course and like any structure it will eventually become predatory and will topple when it gets too heavy. These fuses are lit by interference in the market and all external interference is a fuse that will ultimately lead to a bomb that deforms, damages, or destroys part or all of the structural integrity. But back to community. The communities that we are discussing are their own detriment. Not in a stop being poor way, but in a stop making things worse way. These communities lose funding and buildings close and programs are cut for whatever reason... well what happens? The narrative is that government doesn't care so they cut funding or that the corporations deserted the communities or nobody will invest to help make the environment better. Yet when those things do happen what happens. The area improves and businesses may come back which provides jobs. Or investment money is having a positive impact so in turn more investments roll in. Unfortunately it never gets this far because cries of gentrification and exploitation push investors and businesses to areas that aren't accusing them of some form of depravity. Another example. The repeated talking point of policing. Either they don't care about the communities and make no efforts to....or they are targeting it. Both can't be true. In fact neither are true in the vast majority of cases. Police presence is almost always directly in correlation with crime. They go where the crime is. That isn't a matter of prejudice, it's a matter of logic. This is easily proven with loud voices and marches calling for justice and launching allegations of Indifference. Great example is the 2pac and biggie murders. I've watched a hundred documentaries and they always say the cops don't care about solving their cases.... however these same documentaries and those same community voices have cultivated the entire issue with the demonization of police cooperation. You can't scream for justice one minute and say snitches get stitches the next. Those two things don't work together. There isn't a cop standing there to see every murder. So they tend to rely on evidence. The evidence not only includes witness accounts and testimony but even the physical evidence is often discovered based on information provided. If the witnesses say snitches get stitches and f the police and refuse to cooperate... guess what! For the communities to improve they have to wish to improve. Self accountability and self policing. They have to want the criminal element out of the community to get it out. Regardless if it is your neighbors son or he is only 16 or even your own family. Crime drops when criminals drop. Businesses are willing to risk investing when crime drops. Job opportunities increase when businesses invest. Environment and housing improves when job quality increases. Schools increase when taxes from quality jobs are paid. Good teachers come to good schools. Good teachers develop after school programs. After school programs keep the kids occupied constructively. Constructive activities reduce the criminal element. Juvenile crime decreases combined with income improvement create educational opportunities for the next generation. They bring their skills back to the community rather than leave for safety. They invest in businesses and properties. Those properties are generational and the upward trending cycle is infinite. But it starts on your street.
@@fryphillipj560 "Won't someone think of the criminals!" Is one helluva pearl clutch gotta admit.
You could just stop hurting people and none of this would be a problem.
@@BrettShadow I completly agree
and you explaned it verry well, I was thinking almost the same but it was not that detailed in my head
And to the origilal commend
Why even switch to v2.0
Use v.10 and just apply both fixes
I feel so privileged to live in Germany where every street is safe…
When reading the comments about shootings and bad areas I almost cried out of joy that I live in the EU. I only heard about Sweden and France having a few migrant ghettos, that's it
My guy. Even if those brands *could* brainstorm ideas better than yours they'd already be in use. Anything more efficient than your brilliant ideas is nothing short of worthy.
When i read the title i thought:"The criminals could just see, where the less dangerous places are, to find more potential victims"
Hasn't there been situations of police using crime statistics to change patrol routes resulting in a feedback loop of finding crimes where they go not because they go where there are more crimes, but because there are crimes everywhere and wherever there are bigger concentration of cops is where there will be a bigger number of cops finding (or manufacturing) a justification for their paychecks?
Suggested feature: Give me the ability to "train" my GPS app and teach it custom routes. My ways of getting around traffic usually involve some combination of main roads, back roads and side streets. However, because of the "less than ideal" roads in my route it wouldn't typically be used in any of the suggested routes. An optional feature could also allow me to have some "saved' hotspots on my routes. Get me to "THIS" spot and then use my custom route to finish the trip.
I also hate sitting still in traffic. I'll often get off at an earlier exit knowing my route is probably going to be a little longer but I'm not stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, especially on a hot summer day (when it would be bad to have your A/C on).
I live in Rio de Janeiro. It's not uncommon for Google maps telling me to drive for unsafe areas. Once I almost got shot. At least for driving there should be an algorithm that doesn't tell the fastest way to go to your destination is through a slum. My destination it's not the heaven.
Google: well actually I didn't even think abou-
Another factor could be that with a system like this it could be seen that the company has some responsibility for the safety of its users, even if people should ultimately be responsible for their own safety realistically, if your data thats supposed to keep people aware of dangerous areas doesnt notify someone of an upcoming dangerous area and route them away when it does for other, some would see the company as responsible if something bad where to happen to that user. You could theoretically put some sort of clause in the terms of service and/or end user license agreement that says the user is unable to claim the company responsible or sue them for any harm caused to them while using their application/service, but it still opens up that area for debate and you would still have to hire a legal team to handle that area and any incoming legal actions against you.
This is ridiculous, it's one of the reasons I use an offline map, then I can overlay crime data myself.
This channel is so underrated, hope to see you get some more traction man!
I would like an "adventure mode" where you can set a time or a distance like 1 hour and then google shows you interesting things and you could use the in app filters if you want to see restaurants or parks or other things and after that time it guides you back
Live in Mexico, coming back to home from visiting my Dad in the hospital it took me on an other route directly through cartel land, wasn't a pleasant experience.
I live in México too. I remember a time i have to go to a state i have never been and google maps took me to a road that loked okay at first. But halfway there it turns into a dirt road without any lighting next to the train tracks without enough space to turn around. The worst thing is that it happened in the afternoon and I was left in the dark on that road, which was also quite long. Google maps marked it as the best route to go.
As someone who lives at Grove Street, i can confirm it's a dangerous place.
i'm pretty sure u 'll be famous soon cuz ur vids's quality doesn't look like it from 2,35k subs, it like a 2,35m subs
The road is long for 2.35m, but I really appreciate it!
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A traveler feature would be a nice idea where either when you activate it or when your google timeline notices that you've never been it this part or city, tells you which areas ar best to be avoided. Regulars shouldn't get notified or wouldn't use it because they know their way around already and don't need it.
I feel like having a time range could work. at certain times, there is a higher likelihood for crimes to happen in an area
sounds like a startup idea
Redlining. Been there, done that, Big Tech really shouldn't touch it even with a ten feet pole
Exactly what I was going to post. There's no tech bro solution to the effects of segregation, unless by some miracle they decide to their put money towards reparations.
That's one of those mapping applications that have to constantly check and update while evolving. There is also timed base areas where at certain times the crime is higher than others.
Cool idea, but this video falls apart when you realize it’s hard to truly quantify what a ‘bad area’ is in a real-time application. So why in the hell would Maps try this in the first place?
Google won't do this because it will hurt the feelings of a special cohort which many never, under any circumstances, be insulted, criticized or disparaged.
I wonder if there will ever be an option to choose your drive route based on how scenic it is. Usually only based on either time or tolls.
well google aint a travel agent company is it, but surely they do advertise one. i got hotspots on my map that is labelled as tourist spots, with an image thumbnail on the pin, probably endorsed by the government
In 2017, Google introduced a neat feature into Maps that would suggest walking instead of driving, suggesting you would burn X mini cupcakes worth of calories during the walk.
It lasted a week before someone got mad on twitter and they pulled it.
I think this is your best video ever!!!! I've wondered about this so many times
This different video format was a bit of an experiment, glad to hear you liked it :🚀
Before watching this I was thinking the main reason that analytics isn't used this way, aside from lowering traffic to the area, is 4:13. But the fact is that people already game the google maps analytics to suppress competition. There was a video by Ranking Academy that covers this exact topic. So it literally wouldn't change a thing if Gmaps decided to show you the information.
Also, law enforcement already has their own internal version of maps that uses machine learning to predict crime fields through K-means clustering. Take a look at the Chicago crime prediction program from about 5 years ago, it was scary how effective its trial run was. I'm talking Minority Report vibes.
Google maps should do this so real discussions can begin on what or who causes crime. I think the facts would be eye opening for many
😏i think we all know who commits the most crime aye
@@gehenna14 Poor people?
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@@gehenna14 the answer is immigrants bringing their incompatible culture, just look at sweden and denmark. R*pe more than doubled as muslims are responsible for over half of all r*pes...
So the map would basically highlight low income and black neighborhoods. You can go look these maps up. What would this accomplish exactly?
I think it would be realistic to give users the ability to “block” certain areas - maybe by drawing a shape on the map - and then not routing the user through those areas.
This absolves Google of all responsibility/complexity for figuring out what is unsafe - and would be very useful for users who know their city well and generally know what areas they want to avoid.
I feel like the solution is to take the crime rates for a given area, divide it based on crime (so simple crimes like pickpocketing are separate from more serious crimes like mugging or murder), scale it with the population, and then divide the range of values into tiers, which each tier providing accurate information about the crime in the area (low, moderate, high, severe, etc, as well as the specific statistics)
poorer neighbourhoods or those that are perceived as more dangerous have more police presence though, which leads to higher crime rates. its the same reason that African American people are arrested for violating marijuana possession laws at nearly four times the rates of white people, yet both ethnicities consume marijuana at roughly the same rates.
@@L83467 They don't actually consume at the same rates.
Regardless, pulling police out of neighbourhoods with high murder rates won't make the murder rates go down. They're there due to the obscenely high murder rates.
Bro if google maps showed dangerous areas my whole town would be in the red
how about custom filters? let the users decide what shows up. include tons and tons of options.
then, let some users on forums build custom profiles.. that way, its not google, its forum users.
sounds exactly like stackoverflow, that shit is madness
I'd be happy with Google Maps knowing about detours on motorways and major carriages rather than constantly trying to reroute me back through a closed road.
Whilst this is an interesting video and an interesting concept an app that alerts users is only as good as the data itself. If someone visiting a city I would expect before booking accommodation has done a bit of research about where the safer and where the more dangerous areas are around where they might want to stay. If they haven't and are just relying on an app then they are in for a surprise.
You also miss the point about mapping services, it isn't just there to help you get around, get from a to b, but it's there to make money for the owner of the app, which will generally come from businesses, some of which might be in areas where there is a certain level of crime, who just wouldn't pay to have their business listed if the app also disuaded people from going to the area the business was in.
When I went to Rio I did a bit of research on where to go and where to avoid, I wouldn't just rely on an app to keep me safe because whether an area is safe or not is often subjective, and if I did stray into an area where I felt a little unsafe (and it may have been a safe area, there can be crime there too so you should always be on your guard) then I'd just turn around and head back to where I came from, try and get a cab.
The problem with crime data is that way if there is an assault or a robbery in a fairly prosperous, wealthy area it gets reported, but in a, let's say more dodgy area, it doesn't (maybe it would on a tourist, but the locals don't trust the police, they police their own areas, and this is probably true of the worst areas) so it wouldn't show up highly on crime reports compared to a more touristy area, even though every local knows it's best for a tourist not to go there. So quantifying with simple statistics isn't as easy as it sounds and it depends on whether crimes get related.
Also say an area has 4 or 5 murders one month, is that an unsafe area of it hasn't had one in the previous year? Does a high pickpocketting rate make an area unsafe or are we just talking about risk to life? The final nail in the coffin is that every country records crimes differently so collating the data would be a nightmare and very good consuming and costly, and that's not to mention that every time there is a change in how the data is collected or reported the app (or backend system that collects the data) would need to change to reflect it, by which time the bad areas might not be the bad areas and the good ones might have regressed. It just isn't worth it.
It is solving a problem that didn't exist, people just need to do what any same traveller has always done, do a bit of background research, which isn't that difficult, and ask the locals. For Google or Apple it just isn't worth their time and money, and they just don't want to alienate plentiful customers.
Google maps tried to get me killed.
Instead of going on the safe route that had lots of lights, business, and plenty of other people and cars and was a straight line all the way down to the destination,
it took me straight into the most frightening area.
I walked right into a hostile environment, with big men screaming at each other. Which I didn’t notice cause I had earbuds in.. so partially my fault.
They all had baggy clothes on and it seemed like something was about to happen. Two of the men had hands in their wait bands…
When I was there, They all stopped to stare at me as I walked past not realizing google was taking me 30 mins to save only a few mins.
I simply turned around walking past the guys again. Now they are yelling things at me but I’m too afraid to hear what’s being said.
And walked back the way I came from with my phone in my sleeve.
I could feel their eyes just staring at me. It was almost Sun down and none of the street lights came on.
I realized the pile of trash bags near some tireless vehicles were actually homeless sadly.
They were sleeping on the street next to the bins. There was needles on the ground and used condoms and other garbage I didn’t notice until then.
I was now more than terrified and felt so stupid risking my life just to save a few mins not paying attention and looking at my phone.
Once I turned two blocks and right back on the Main Street I ran with my adrenaline high and started jogging to get myself to stop freaking out at what I just saw. And if I might be being followed. I wasn’t.
I just never felt so dumb before.
Only looking down at my phone with ear buds in my ears and not realizing the screams until looking up and seeing it.. and not even looking at my surroundings.
Google was a huge jerk the entire time I walked to my destination and tried to get me to go down every single dark alley street instead of allowing me to continue straight ahead.
I turned off the maps volume and followed the street names instead.
Now I’m always looking at the routes and seeing if the neighborhoods look unsafe to walk down.
It's easy: learn to interpret satellite images. I always have the satellite image layer activated, that way I feel better located
I do this all the time too, it's useful if you know what to look for, but you can argue that for example, if you live somewhere with a lower standard of living, you might think a lot of places in the US are actually safe when they aren't. Or vice versa, you might be used to a higher standard of living and not know how to recognize worse off economic places from actual crime zones, happened to me in both scenarios
@@fran2911 It's part of learning hahaha
@ Yes, I agree, and you should always do your research before visiting a country hahaha
Google doesn't do it but someone makes a plug-in for Google for California and it shows you all the gang territories the highlighted in different colors and the key map tells you what gang that is.
When you talk it on it just shows all the colored territories and then you can look at the key that works at least on Android phones with the Google Maps app.
It's basically otago you switch on and also Waze was bought out by Google so they are the ones that are having people submit unsafe things are speed traps and then it gets put it into Google Maps as far as like traps or accidents and things like that.
One thing that I've noticed in my city - I live in the downtown core - is that when there is less traffic (both ped and vehicle), it becomes more dangerous. This became pretty evident during the pandemic when the downtown business core emptied out and crime went up - although obviously other socio-economic factors contributed to that. I feel that rerouting people away from certain areas would exacerbate existing crime levels and end up doing more harm than good.
Keeping people away from being murdered will probably do more good than harm.
The solution is simple. Don't alert people that an area is dangerous, no notification whatsoever. Just don't path through there when giving directions to users.
And this is why software desperately need just stay in their lane and not try and make everything about data. This kind of data driven system has terrible knock-on effects on the communities it is being forced upon and and does not even necessarily solve the problem it claims to be solving.
Next criminals will look where the apps is directing people, then just move into that area to find targets.
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This was great! A refreshing video idea to go through a very realistic scenario while explaining the thought process and the complexities involved. On the topic: this sounds like information I could imagine already existing in tourist guides. An app for a tourist guide could very well also include an embedded map view.
why is it Google's responsibility at all? If a public place is unsafe I think that's the government's fault it's not accessible by the public like it should be.
We live in a world where men can rape a woman on a Subway car in the daytime, and rather than help, bystanders will start filming... There are no safe areas.
Change the word "world" to "country". The place I live in is not like that.
why googlemaps doesnt show where the single girls are looking me
Some map apps HAD an "avoid the ghetto" option a few years ago and it was swiftly shut down. We've already been through this is the thing and it didn't work.
One thing to consider is that in the US areas with more minority populations have more police in them so crimes in those areas are reported more often. So there’s a cycle of more police -> more arrests -> more police. The classic example of this is that white and black people use marijuana at the same rates but black people are far more likely to be arrested for it.
Good point. There's also the opposite effect-where police in marginalized communities are less likely to report/charge/investigate crimes where the victims are part of the community, like domestic violence, and more likely to police crimes where the victims are likely to be outside the community, like the aforementioned narcotics.
I was so worried when I watched the intro glad it took the logical turn, great video!
"Why Google Maps Doesn't Show You Unsafe Areas"
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A very interesting video on the problems with designing an application around the human element!
What is an unsafe area? I've gone in and through areas deemed "unsafe" and I haven't had any problems, even at night. On the other hand, I have had problems in "safe" areas in the daytime. There's no such thing as safe. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and their own lives.
Also, if Google marked an area unsafe and a person or city didn't agree or didn't like it they would sue. It could cost them a lot of money in legal bills.
i take issue with the responsibilty line of thinking but yeah, you're right, what is deemed as safe is different for different people. for example, central park karen thought she was threatened by that birdwatcher and so she called the cops on a totally innocent guy. the concept of danger is influenced by peoples biases
It's based off of violent crime rates.
@@L83467 He told her, "If you're going to do what you're going to do, I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and you're not going to like it."
That's not something a man tells you a half-mile away from anyone else early in the morning and you just brush off. Dude was a creep. He even admitted he said that to her.
It could start with some basics. For example, I have driven past signs that say “High crime area. Do not stop.” If the local police don’t want you there, then it’s probably not a good idea to go there. An active war zone would be another pretty obvious one, as would areas where the crime is so bad that emergency services can’t rescue you.
If you go on some basics like these, then there wouldn’t be that much data, but maybe that’s the point - we probably don’t need to avoid most areas, just use some common sense.