Zorro is not a fake Zippo. By 'fake' you mean those lighters with the Zippo logo but actually is not made by Zippo. Zorro is a brand of its own, I've been using Zorro for quite some time now and I know that Zorro has it's own design for other lighters.
_You got that right!!! I have many Zorro Lift-Arm and WarArmors now in my collection._ www.amazon.com/Constantine-Sculpture-Kerosene-Windproof-Lighter/dp/B07DS6F6B3/ref=sr_1_50?dchild=1&keywords=zorro+lighters&qid=1596760395&s=hpc&sr=1-50 www.aliexpress.com/item/32861493326.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dSERy0D _My EDC Zorro 912 150gram Knife Carved._ www.aliexpress.com/item/4001019754034.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d0qO2b0
I actually switched from Zippo to Zorro completely. Sold all my Zippos bought countless Zorro lighters. They have countless nice “vintage“ designs and in my opinion their Zippo design is superior than Zippo‘s themselves. But you can‘t beat Zippo on flints, wicks, wool and fluid. When I buy a new Zorro i instantly change flints wick and wool for Zippo ones.
its a fake zippo because its a an exact copy of it, patent doesnt have anything to do with it, dont confuse fake with counterfeit, the slight changes keep it from being an exact copy, zippo itself is a copy of the hurricane lighter the only difference was the zippo had a hinge the the hurricane did not...
Something that scares me about the idea of putting a drill in the Flint barrel is that you run the risk of going to far with it and damaging either the Flint wheel or the drill bit depending on which one is harder.
I a zippo from 1971 when I served in the US Navy and my hinge still works fine. However I think I will be ordering a Zorro soon. My Birthday is in July, so........Happy Birthday to me.
Is the wheel producing more spark a good thing? Ive never had trouble getting a zippo to light, so the spark difference really doesnt matter. If anything, the flint may need to be replaced more often
in this case no, on real zippos when the wheel wears out it becomes a problem getting it to spark enough to light consistently, try using a zipo from thre 60's you woudl see a difference in some cases zippos made in say the 90s are even more noticeably worn
Flints are very inexpensive to buy. Stock up if you are concerned they will be used up more quickly on a Zorro. Anyway, you should always have many spare flints.
There are some really cool lighters to be collected. Other than zippo, I also collect zorro which is originally made in hong kong. Chief brand(mainland china) is also my favourite collection. Their qualities are at equal or better than the zippo. Get one and you will appreciate them.
The Zorro feels like a better option to me. I own one entry level Zorro and it is definitely better in quality than the entry level Zippo I own. As far as the Zippo lifelong warranty is concerned, one can buy four Zorro lighters at the price of one Zippo lighter; considering that and the fact that Zippo only replaces the insert/lighter and does not fix them, the three extra Zorro lighters should serve as a sufficient warranty(that is if you will ever need a warranty in the first place). Anyways, all this does not mean anything until you order the cheap flints and wicks from aliexpress as well (Zippo ones are way overpriced). I really feel that hinge mechanism is stupid, it wastes a lot of fuel. They should have kept the design as it is. Great video! enjoyed it.
It's funny how stuff made in China is characterized as inferior to stuff made in America, but if you didn't know anything about Zippo or zorro and you looked at the two of them, you'd probably assume the zorro was the "genuine" one and the Zippo was the rip off clone
The difference in spark could be due to spring tension rather than the design of the hinge. One fix for old inserts that don't throw good sparks anymore is to lightly stretch the spring. Try stretching a spring on another Zippo to compare.
One thing lacking from (most of) Chinese products is, as you may know, originality. Down to the product name/brand. I mean....wth does “Zorro” have anything to do with Chinese made lighters? I’d gladly rock this lighter if it said “Ding Hao”, “Chang Hong” or “Dong Feng”, which imo would sound more honest. Pretty sure these lighters are of good quality, but the name just puts me off.
Over here in Europe there are even more brands (maybe from the same factory in China, anyway) that make copies. There is at least "TOM" and "MFH MilTec". The first is pretty good for the 3€ you have to pay, while the cheapest Zippos are around 19,00 € here in Germany.
zippo as company doesn't care about fuel saving because they sell zippo lighter fluid, it's like telling canon way to save printer ink cartridge. while zorro don't sell lighter fluid so they see it as an extra selling point to seal off evaporation or making things slightly tighter, however they make their wheel serviceable because they are selling replacement wheels, who knows maybe they use slightly softer metal for their wheel so you will consume them slightly faster and need to replace them.
_Almost all of my newer Zorro Lift-Arm and WarArmor 915S and 912S now have the Rivet in the Wheel. The wheel is still more aggressive for more spark than the Zippos. As ya know more spark means more frequent flint changes. That's why I put a whole pack of flints under the wadding. xD_
Very nice video to find alternative of Zippo, please tell me where to buy it because your links it is not available, I want it so please tell me. Much appreciated.
But the most favorite in my Country still Zippo. And the alternative are Kantai and Earth lighter model Zippo. Hard to find Star lighter model Zippo except the flint and wick packet part.
Zorro is like the generic Cola. It's not Coke but it's Cola. Also they replicate the looks, design and material of Zippo. The Zorro name even sounds a tiny like Zippo.
Zorro has a variation of their lighter that has a rubber seal in the lid, which prevents a huge amount of evaporation over the typical Zippo style that's just open to the air. Zorro also has an insert with a solid metal gasket that fits in the bottom that is sealed with o-rings, and has a chimney cap on top that flips up when you flick the Flint wheel. I don't remember the name of the channel, I think it's Zippo fanatic 77 or something like that, but he's made a couple videos about the zorros and how much better they are than zippos
you can buy butane gas inserts that fits in a zippo case i have a zplus softflame one ( looks just like a zippo insert but uses gas and flints works fine so far ) they also make a jet flame one ( but im not a fan of jet flame lighters and electric ignition not reliable ) there are other brands that makes similar products ,, well worth a try as they are not that expensive
It's not spot welded both on the outside or the inside. is spot welded in two points. spot welding connects two pieces together. those circles are just the one weld. not 4 different ones.
The only hinge issue I've had is the hinge pin will end up coming out. I've owned many,and it's happened to most of them. I usually end up replacing it with a D ring off of a key fob. I then run a lanyard through it. This makes it harder to lose.
hey Jeff i am a huge fan of your vids i just bought me a benchmade griptillion sheep eye blade and i was wondering if you could do a review on it i love myn just want to know your opinion :)
In my country, Indonesia the Zorro lighters are expensive as Zippo lighter. But the part are more cheaper than Zippo parts. Like the cotton, wick and felt pad packet part.
idk of cutlerylover or someone else will respond but if I were to get the zorro on the Amazon link CutleryLover linked will it already have lighter fluid or would I have to buy it?
1.) Zippo doesn't sell wheels. ( You could get wheels from a store or some other way) 2.) You void the warranty. so you would have to pay more money in the long run possibly. But if you don't mind voiding the warranty, be my guest.
I think the issue with making the Zippo design air-tight is that the naptha fumes would break down most typical o-ring seal materials. There's probably a solution to work around the issue, but maybe it's cost/labor prohibitive to use? I've seen peanut lighters that are air-tight but they're an easier seal to produce, being round.
yes, I have talked with zippo about this, they know they can cut a groove into the insert to add an oring type seal, but they specifically said they know they can improve on the design but wish not to change the nostalgia of the product or its production processes...adding a seal will cost money in production cost and the prices of the lighters not to mention their fuel sales will drop, lol
@@benfennell6842by reading this, you're totally right. They know zippo users buy their lighter fluid, if they make it not to evaporate, their gas sales will go low. Better to have butane or pipe
The price difference between the two makes the provided warrant for the zippo practically meaningless. You can buy ten zorro lighters for the same price as one zippo.
If Zippo is so obsessed with keeping it "original", then why did they change the insert design to being slightly slimmer with the ridges on both sides? It makes the insert fit looser and it sucks now. The older form-fitting inserts were so much better. Whatever manager approved of that change should be fired.
Umm. I have a butane insert in a Zippo lighter, I bought it a long time ago from e-bay, it was $10 I believe, made in China insert, not amazing quality, the cam was a piece of total garbage and I had to reform it with a file while looking at the original to make it work alright... but that being said I can now pick it up and use it any time I need. I keep it in my glove box, so if I need a lighter it works every time, and yet it has that classy zippo look.
when my camera automatically splits videos into segments it cuts off audio for like half a second or something so it loses sound in between the cuts, I cant change that sometimes the video ends on the right spot so its not noticed other times it cuts right in the middle of me speaking
+cutlerylover that's a pretty shitty thing,if you were recording something important it would totally mess it up if it happens in the wrong time.What's the camera for further reference?
I do not think the hinge on a Zippo is aluminum. I'm pretty sure it's steel like the insert. Also, maybe the Zorros wheel has deeper grooves, which uses up the flint quicker and the wheel will also wear quicker. The Zippos flint wheel is proven and does the job is designed to do. It's not a ferro rod. You don't want a lid that opens easily. The lid opening easily on the Zorro is due to the cheap manufacturing. Not only is the Zippo guarantee and customer service great, the fact that it is US made and employing Americans and supporting the American economy is fantastic too.
The flint wheel pin could probably be salvaged and used on a zippo wheel if you managed to break the rivet,if the fake is pretty cheap that might be a decent mod for people to do to vintage inserts
the wear of the wheel is what really gets me.. i just bought two new zippos, after having used mine several times a day for about three years.. the wheel is simply worn out.
Point to point, ZORRO is the winner, penny to penny, ZIPPO is a loser. But for traditional sake, ZIPPO is still ZIPPO, just can't imagine American will pass a ZORRO lighter to their grandsons! Ha Ha!
Vigilante Driver That’s not the point they were making, it’s not the quality he is referring to. Zippo is very American, and it’s a part of our history. The military used them in WWII, and they are our classic. Any other brand just won’t have that history.
~I have two Zorro Lighters and I like them very much. I think they are better than a Zippo, because of the way they're made, the way they perform and because of the way they feel in my hand. I recommend you try a Zorro Lighter. ~In 45 years of using Zippo Lighters, I've yet to have a reason to send one in for Warranty work. I expect my Zorro Lighters will give the same service.
_4 months ago I cut all ties with Zippo after 35yrs of buying their products. I spent $68 (it's price is now over $100) on a new Zippo Steam-Punk Armor-Series lighter that was shown on the pics on Amazon to have a brass insert, but mine came with just a regular silver insert. I contacted them and they refused to send me the correct brass insert and they said that I would just have to purchase the brass insert ($15) separately._ _Sure people can say how ZORRO "copied" Zippo's design, but Zippo has never tried to improve their design in 80+ yrs. ZORRO has made leaps and bounds with the windproof chimney design that Zippo started. ZORRO's lift-arm style lighters hold fluid for months even when not used._ _It doesn't matter now, I now have 7 Lift-Arm style Zorros and 11 of the ZORRO WarArmor series in the models 912, 912S, 915S. To give ya an example of just how shamefully cheaply made the Zippos are. The regular Zippos are about 60-70g in weight. The Zippo Armor Series are supposed to be built so much more heavy duty, but only weigh about 75g. The ZORRO War Armor series are 145g - 230g in weight. Plus the ZORRO War Armor series are o-ringed and waterproof._ _Every new Zippo feels like the hinge is half worn out, new. Every ZORRO War Armor hinge is precision machined and has no play at all. The Zippo life time guarantee is great. But the ZORRO lighters (non War-Armor) are only $5 - $10 a piece through Ebuy7. So I can't justify spending 500% - 700% more for a lifetime guarantee._
@@warthief3401 I bought 5 of those regular ones with 5 sided laser etched Marlboro logos in different colors from ebuy7. www.ebuy7.com/item/602622182550 I bought this laser etched one and the black one for my wife and it's gorgeous in person. www.ebuy7.com/item/595791880468 I bought this one for my nieces birthday. The paint feels like Truck Bed-Liner material, really tough all the way around the whole lighter, unlike the cheap Zippo sticker decorations. www.ebuy7.com/item/616486365979 Shipping took longer but it was well worth it.
@@warthief3401 _Also be aware that something is going on with shipping and customs. These and some others that I've ordered have come disassembled and wrapped in aluminum foil and repackaged like they're having to fool the x-ray scanners. One store owner from AliExpres said it keeps them from being flagged and opened at customs and stolen, but some have gotten caught and their stores have been shut down. All the lighters were stiil in perfect condition when I received them._
Zippo's strategy is to never innovate and continue to produce lighters with poorly designed components. When it breaks after enough time, they'll replace it for free. It you look at the Zorros that have milled hinges and the features they have, their strategy seems to be to design it well enough that it probably won't break in the first place.
Id be inteested in trading for it if hes willing to do so, or Id buy it from him for the right price, if thats true send me a message if hes interested in selling or trading for it
It's like a brass color he doesn't use it he said it was his dad's my dad has a a deer handle case that was his dad but he keeps the light and a brass pocket watch in one of our wooden gun case where we keep some of our knifes
I just bought the Zorro armor and three Zippo armor 167. I do hand engraving and want to start engraving lighters. The Zorro is 154 grams and the Zippo is 58 grams. Both will be fun to engrave. I just have to think of something cool to engrave on them.
You can control how much it sparks by changing where your thumb is on the wheel. If it's on the top, that's full travel, if you put tlyour thumb on the side of the wheel then the travel is limited a lot and it will grind on the Flint less.
Zorros have more square shape chimneys and less quality cams... There is better (zippo type) lighter than Zorro, which is called "CHIEF". These are even stronger and better quality than "Zorro". I have both of them.
The Zorros with the machined hinges are just awesome. Zippo was good in the 90s. Quality was much higher than these days. But today Zippos are just fanboy sh*t.
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Zorro is not a fake Zippo. By 'fake' you mean those lighters with the Zippo logo but actually is not made by Zippo. Zorro is a brand of its own, I've been using Zorro for quite some time now and I know that Zorro has it's own design for other lighters.
I agree with you.
_You got that right!!! I have many Zorro Lift-Arm and WarArmors now in my collection._
www.amazon.com/Constantine-Sculpture-Kerosene-Windproof-Lighter/dp/B07DS6F6B3/ref=sr_1_50?dchild=1&keywords=zorro+lighters&qid=1596760395&s=hpc&sr=1-50
www.aliexpress.com/item/32861493326.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dSERy0D
_My EDC Zorro 912 150gram Knife Carved._ www.aliexpress.com/item/4001019754034.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d0qO2b0
The word you're looking for is homage
Yeah, i could understand it being called a zippo copy but it's definitely not a fake.
I actually switched from Zippo to Zorro completely.
Sold all my Zippos bought countless Zorro lighters.
They have countless nice “vintage“ designs and in my opinion their Zippo design is superior than Zippo‘s themselves.
But you can‘t beat Zippo on flints, wicks, wool and fluid.
When I buy a new Zorro i instantly change flints wick and wool for Zippo ones.
It is NOT a FAKE Zippo because it does NOT pretend to be a Zippo and because the Zippo patent expired a long time ago.
its a fake zippo because its a an exact copy of it, patent doesnt have anything to do with it, dont confuse fake with counterfeit, the slight changes keep it from being an exact copy, zippo itself is a copy of the hurricane lighter the only difference was the zippo had a hinge the the hurricane did not...
By your definition of FAKE, Steinhart watches are FAKE Rolex watches. FAKE and COUNTERFEIT are synonymous terms:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit
+ogarzabello a fellow watch nut haha.
Jordz Van 6299
LMAO!
or we can just call it replica? :))))))
One point about the removable wheel is that its easier to fix a jammed or corroded flint. Especially if you don't have a drill handy.
Something that scares me about the idea of putting a drill in the Flint barrel is that you run the risk of going to far with it and damaging either the Flint wheel or the drill bit depending on which one is harder.
You doing it all wrong if you have to drill you're flint hole...
I a zippo from 1971 when I served in the US Navy and my hinge still works fine. However I think I will be ordering a Zorro soon. My Birthday is in July, so........Happy Birthday to me.
Thanks for your service and happy outcoming birthday
There is a saying - It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice. 😉
Happy birthday
I have a 1969 zippo and a zorro lighter,the zorro has a very strong case it's thicker
Happy birthday
Solid comparison
Is the wheel producing more spark a good thing? Ive never had trouble getting a zippo to light, so the spark difference really doesnt matter. If anything, the flint may need to be replaced more often
Agreed.
in this case no, on real zippos when the wheel wears out it becomes a problem getting it to spark enough to light consistently, try using a zipo from thre 60's you woudl see a difference in some cases zippos made in say the 90s are even more noticeably worn
+cutlerylover unrelated but ..
check out simbr camping stove I think you would like
the first zippo i got was the shamrock zippo
Flints are very inexpensive to buy. Stock up if you are concerned they will be used up more quickly on a Zorro. Anyway, you should always have many spare flints.
There are some really cool lighters to be collected. Other than zippo, I also collect zorro which is originally made in hong kong. Chief brand(mainland china) is also my favourite collection. Their qualities are at equal or better than the zippo. Get one and you will appreciate them.
Are Chief lighters better than zippo? I'm talking about the case, hinge quality, etc.
@@santiagoarielbenitez yes they are
@@rdghajighajak6848 cool, it's nice to some market competetition every once in a while
The Zorro feels like a better option to me. I own one entry level Zorro and it is definitely better in quality than the entry level Zippo I own. As far as the Zippo lifelong warranty is concerned, one can buy four Zorro lighters at the price of one Zippo lighter; considering that and the fact that Zippo only replaces the insert/lighter and does not fix them, the three extra Zorro lighters should serve as a sufficient warranty(that is if you will ever need a warranty in the first place). Anyways, all this does not mean anything until you order the cheap flints and wicks from aliexpress as well (Zippo ones are way overpriced). I really feel that hinge mechanism is stupid, it wastes a lot of fuel. They should have kept the design as it is. Great video! enjoyed it.
It's funny how stuff made in China is characterized as inferior to stuff made in America, but if you didn't know anything about Zippo or zorro and you looked at the two of them, you'd probably assume the zorro was the "genuine" one and the Zippo was the rip off clone
i never used the cheap flint before.. did the cheap flint quality and spark is comparable to the original zippo flint ?
The difference in spark could be due to spring tension rather than the design of the hinge. One fix for old inserts that don't throw good sparks anymore is to lightly stretch the spring. Try stretching a spring on another Zippo to compare.
I wish the insert was tighter on the zippo. Constantly I would have to push it back down since it keeps moving up after 1-2 openings.
just press the top outer shell a little with two fingers to make it tighter, it is not rocket science...
You can just put a little tape on the insert
It's moves 1 time when I open it
_No, take the insert out and squeeze the front and back of the LOWER half of the case inward to make it tighter._
@theHPrendition _It must be Rocket Science because it's actually the Lower half of the case that needs to be squeezed, not the Upper. xD_
One thing lacking from (most of) Chinese products is, as you may know, originality. Down to the product name/brand. I mean....wth does “Zorro” have anything to do with Chinese made lighters? I’d gladly rock this lighter if it said “Ding Hao”, “Chang Hong” or “Dong Feng”, which imo would sound more honest. Pretty sure these lighters are of good quality, but the name just puts me off.
Hey Jeff, how come your audio always briefly cuts out in your videos?
Over here in Europe there are even more brands (maybe from the same factory in China, anyway) that make copies.
There is at least "TOM" and "MFH MilTec". The first is pretty good for the 3€ you have to pay, while the cheapest Zippos are around 19,00 € here in Germany.
zippo as company doesn't care about fuel saving because they sell zippo lighter fluid, it's like telling canon way to save printer ink cartridge. while zorro don't sell lighter fluid so they see it as an extra selling point to seal off evaporation or making things slightly tighter, however they make their wheel serviceable because they are selling replacement wheels, who knows maybe they use slightly softer metal for their wheel so you will consume them slightly faster and need to replace them.
_Almost all of my newer Zorro Lift-Arm and WarArmor 915S and 912S now have the Rivet in the Wheel. The wheel is still more aggressive for more spark than the Zippos. As ya know more spark means more frequent flint changes. That's why I put a whole pack of flints under the wadding. xD_
I really like how much you've been uploading lately, keep up the good work Jeff :)
I like the cool basic design on those lighters!
bro are zorro lighters are from china? like star lighter? ,pls tell bro
Yes bro.
the clip on the Zorro lighter that allows you to remove the wheel is called an "e-clip"
I believe the clip thing holding the wheel "pivot" in is called a circlip
Will zorro fit real zippo lighter insert?
_Yes they will fit in each others cases. The inserts from the no-name (not ZORRO) chinese lighters will not fit. They are 1-1.5mm narrower._
Very nice video to find alternative of Zippo, please tell me where to buy it because your links it is not available, I want it so please tell me. Much appreciated.
You can get Zorro from AliExpress. But it will take months if you order for free shipment. There are alternative for quicker delivery if you pay more.
But the most favorite in my Country still Zippo. And the alternative are Kantai and Earth lighter model Zippo. Hard to find Star lighter model Zippo except the flint and wick packet part.
Zorro is like the generic Cola. It's not Coke but it's Cola. Also they replicate the looks, design and material of Zippo. The Zorro name even sounds a tiny like Zippo.
0:40 That's some beautiful handwriting. Congratulations, french dude.
I think I started with the Zippo tricks too. I can hardly remember because I've watched pretty much all of your stuff now!
Does Zorro fuel last longer than Zippo?
Zorro has a variation of their lighter that has a rubber seal in the lid, which prevents a huge amount of evaporation over the typical Zippo style that's just open to the air. Zorro also has an insert with a solid metal gasket that fits in the bottom that is sealed with o-rings, and has a chimney cap on top that flips up when you flick the Flint wheel. I don't remember the name of the channel, I think it's Zippo fanatic 77 or something like that, but he's made a couple videos about the zorros and how much better they are than zippos
I would definitely buy a zippo with an better seal. mine barely lasts a couple of weeks before drying out yet my small survival lighter lasts months.
you can buy butane gas inserts that fits in a zippo case i have a zplus softflame one ( looks just like a zippo insert but uses gas and flints works fine so far ) they also make a jet flame one ( but im not a fan of jet flame lighters and electric ignition not reliable ) there are other brands that makes similar products ,, well worth a try as they are not that expensive
It's not spot welded both on the outside or the inside. is spot welded in two points. spot welding connects two pieces together. those circles are just the one weld. not 4 different ones.
yes, but on 4 contact points
the hinge basically sandwiches the case, its not just on the outside or inside, its on both
When they spot welded it, it fused the inside and outside metal peaces to the core body.
I wonder if a Z-plus butane insert will work in the Zorro.
what is the name of first zorro zippo??
Good to get zorro along with the zippo just for the tricks
The only hinge issue I've had is the hinge pin will end up coming out.
I've owned many,and it's happened to most of them.
I usually end up replacing it with a D ring off of a key fob.
I then run a lanyard through it.
This makes it harder to lose.
the lock on the wheel pin is called an "E clip"
If a zippo insert is loose from the factory (hops up when opened),how do I get it to stick better?
I usually put a piece of paper on both sides of the insert
best and cheapest trick use scotch tape have the problem with all butane inserts works like a champ
hey Jeff i am a huge fan of your vids i just bought me a benchmade griptillion sheep eye blade and i was wondering if you could do a review on it i love myn just want to know your opinion :)
ever tried the liftarm zorro zippo style lighter. its far better than a zippo
Today I order two Zorro lighters with the two sided hinges like yours.
Where can I buy a Zorro lighter
My butane insert doesnt work and they told me to contact the people i bought it from
the screw flint spring are also different sized rite
if the zippo case is very damaged and also a insert is fucked up,will the Zippo give me a new one?
Yes
In my country, Indonesia the Zorro lighters are expensive as Zippo lighter. But the part are more cheaper than Zippo parts. Like the cotton, wick and felt pad packet part.
are they sold in local stores or do you have to buy them online?
@@nobody2021 both of them brother
idk of cutlerylover or someone else will respond but if I were to get the zorro on the Amazon link CutleryLover linked will it already have lighter fluid or would I have to buy it?
I can't promise it, but I'm pretty much certain it won't. As far as I'm aware, zippos don't, so probs the same for the zorro.
Zorro does better cases check their war armor version with o ring seal wonder if it can trick and stop leaks
hey .how do I get one or so of the zorro lighter
I don't see why you need to replace the wheel, I have zippos from the 30's-40's and the wheels are still like new but the lighter is heavily used.
The couple of old Zippos that you have that did not happen to break, are not evidence that they are indestructible and never break
@@nobody2021 I personally own over 500 zippo lighters primarily pre 1980 and most were use in combat
You could drill out the rivet, replace the wheel, then put another rivet in or screw/pin.
1.) Zippo doesn't sell wheels. ( You could get wheels from a store or some other way)
2.) You void the warranty. so you would have to pay more money in the long run possibly.
But if you don't mind voiding the warranty, be my guest.
you can't void a zippo warranty.
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+Nick k, uhhh then you've been voiding your warranty. and do you know what google is?
I love the Zippo trick videos
I think the issue with making the Zippo design air-tight is that the naptha fumes would break down most typical o-ring seal materials. There's probably a solution to work around the issue, but maybe it's cost/labor prohibitive to use? I've seen peanut lighters that are air-tight but they're an easier seal to produce, being round.
yes, I have talked with zippo about this, they know they can cut a groove into the insert to add an oring type seal, but they specifically said they know they can improve on the design but wish not to change the nostalgia of the product or its production processes...adding a seal will cost money in production cost and the prices of the lighters not to mention their fuel sales will drop, lol
@@cutlerylover "we will not improve our product because we would make less money"
Suppose you can't blame em, shame though.
@@benfennell6842by reading this, you're totally right. They know zippo users buy their lighter fluid, if they make it not to evaporate, their gas sales will go low. Better to have butane or pipe
The price difference between the two makes the provided warrant for the zippo practically meaningless. You can buy ten zorro lighters for the same price as one zippo.
Well maybe not ten, but two or three for sure.
Enjoyed the video! Thanks!
Where do you buy a Zorro armor?
If Zippo is so obsessed with keeping it "original", then why did they change the insert design to being slightly slimmer with the ridges on both sides? It makes the insert fit looser and it sucks now. The older form-fitting inserts were so much better. Whatever manager approved of that change should be fired.
i use zippo inserts in my zorro cases since i prefer the designs zorro has
I would like to get a zoro now I will still collect zippos
One more thing: the Zorro's bottom is airtight -- at least mine is -- so evaporation only happens through the wick.
Umm. I have a butane insert in a Zippo lighter, I bought it a long time ago from e-bay, it was $10 I believe, made in China insert, not amazing quality, the cam was a piece of total garbage and I had to reform it with a file while looking at the original to make it work alright... but that being said I can now pick it up and use it any time I need. I keep it in my glove box, so if I need a lighter it works every time, and yet it has that classy zippo look.
Cool video, Jeff! Thanks!
Great detail video! Thanks for all the points.
Zippo old school leave a well enough legend alone😎
why did you mute at 8:50 is?
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when my camera automatically splits videos into segments it cuts off audio for like half a second or something so it loses sound in between the cuts, I cant change that sometimes the video ends on the right spot so its not noticed other times it cuts right in the middle of me speaking
+cutlerylover that's a pretty shitty thing,if you were recording something important it would totally mess it up if it happens in the wrong time.What's the camera for further reference?
They make a bigger one that is even better I heard !
Can you do a Zippo collection video?
i totally agree with the hinge idea thats qhat breaks on me
They all cost the same as a Zippo for me in Australia
I never knew the flint wheels were out?
I do not think the hinge on a Zippo is aluminum. I'm pretty sure it's steel like the insert. Also, maybe the Zorros wheel has deeper grooves, which uses up the flint quicker and the wheel will also wear quicker. The Zippos flint wheel is proven and does the job is designed to do. It's not a ferro rod. You don't want a lid that opens easily. The lid opening easily on the Zorro is due to the cheap manufacturing.
Not only is the Zippo guarantee and customer service great, the fact that it is US made and employing Americans and supporting the American economy is fantastic too.
could be the type of wheel or it could be a thicker piece of flint
Stiffer flint spring
It's not a fake zippo it's a homage! If it was a fake zippo it would be labelled Zippo.
The flint wheel pin could probably be salvaged and used on a zippo wheel if you managed to break the rivet,if the fake is pretty cheap that might be a decent mod for people to do to vintage inserts
the wear of the wheel is what really gets me.. i just bought two new zippos, after having used mine several times a day for about three years.. the wheel is simply worn out.
Couldve just bought a new insert...
but the loops of the hinge are the weak points anyway, not where its welded
You can use a paint can opener
Point to point, ZORRO is the winner, penny to penny, ZIPPO is a loser. But for traditional sake, ZIPPO is still ZIPPO, just can't imagine American will pass a ZORRO lighter to their grandsons! Ha Ha!
I think my two Zorro Lighters will last for decades. Mine are very well made.
Vigilante Driver That’s not the point they were making, it’s not the quality he is referring to. Zippo is very American, and it’s a part of our history. The military used them in WWII, and they are our classic. Any other brand just won’t have that history.
its a c clip jeff
_That's an "E" clip that the Zorro is using._
MAGGOT VOMIT apparently I didn’t know the difference 4 years ago.
Carson War Armor review?
Couldn't you just put a zippo insert into the zoro case
that's a really good idea I'm going to do that
the clip on the wheel is called a c clip
Eh, I just feel like zippo is going to turn into rolex. Not really contributing to innovation, but just turn into an expensive collectable.
~I have two Zorro Lighters and I like them very much. I think they are better than a Zippo, because of the way they're made, the way they perform and because of the way they feel in my hand. I recommend you try a Zorro Lighter.
~In 45 years of using Zippo Lighters, I've yet to have a reason to send one in for Warranty work. I expect my Zorro Lighters will give the same service.
I just watched one of your videos from 8 years ago 😂
You must have kids now
i really want a zippo but i cant get one...
Honestly if zippo didn’t have its famous guarantee, I’d probably go with zoro
_4 months ago I cut all ties with Zippo after 35yrs of buying their products. I spent $68 (it's price is now over $100) on a new Zippo Steam-Punk Armor-Series lighter that was shown on the pics on Amazon to have a brass insert, but mine came with just a regular silver insert. I contacted them and they refused to send me the correct brass insert and they said that I would just have to purchase the brass insert ($15) separately._
_Sure people can say how ZORRO "copied" Zippo's design, but Zippo has never tried to improve their design in 80+ yrs. ZORRO has made leaps and bounds with the windproof chimney design that Zippo started. ZORRO's lift-arm style lighters hold fluid for months even when not used._
_It doesn't matter now, I now have 7 Lift-Arm style Zorros and 11 of the ZORRO WarArmor series in the models 912, 912S, 915S. To give ya an example of just how shamefully cheaply made the Zippos are. The regular Zippos are about 60-70g in weight. The Zippo Armor Series are supposed to be built so much more heavy duty, but only weigh about 75g. The ZORRO War Armor series are 145g - 230g in weight. Plus the ZORRO War Armor series are o-ringed and waterproof._
_Every new Zippo feels like the hinge is half worn out, new. Every ZORRO War Armor hinge is precision machined and has no play at all. The Zippo life time guarantee is great. But the ZORRO lighters (non War-Armor) are only $5 - $10 a piece through Ebuy7. So I can't justify spending 500% - 700% more for a lifetime guarantee._
@@warthief3401 I bought 5 of those regular ones with 5 sided laser etched Marlboro logos in different colors from ebuy7. www.ebuy7.com/item/602622182550
I bought this laser etched one and the black one for my wife and it's gorgeous in person. www.ebuy7.com/item/595791880468
I bought this one for my nieces birthday. The paint feels like Truck Bed-Liner material, really tough all the way around the whole lighter, unlike the cheap Zippo sticker decorations. www.ebuy7.com/item/616486365979
Shipping took longer but it was well worth it.
@@warthief3401 _Also be aware that something is going on with shipping and customs. These and some others that I've ordered have come disassembled and wrapped in aluminum foil and repackaged like they're having to fool the x-ray scanners. One store owner from AliExpres said it keeps them from being flagged and opened at customs and stolen, but some have gotten caught and their stores have been shut down. All the lighters were stiil in perfect condition when I received them._
@@warthief3401 _Not knowing what model numbers are in this guy's vid, I have know idea. Those in this vid are zippo copies._
Excellent thanks
Love the vids make more knife and zippo videos love them
The problem with these lighter is, the fluid leaks. Even at half full and it just smells.
The zippo i carry everyday can be flicked open really eazy....then again i use if for everything and flick it around all the damn time.
Then again i am not the first owner of the two im looking at now.
At 4:39 I suddenly realized this is not a video about Frank Zappa. Dang!
Yeah but nothing will ever beat the zippo warranty tho
Zippo's strategy is to never innovate and continue to produce lighters with poorly designed components. When it breaks after enough time, they'll replace it for free. It you look at the Zorros that have milled hinges and the features they have, their strategy seems to be to design it well enough that it probably won't break in the first place.
Great video. The doohicky holding the wheel pin is called a snap ring.
Dude my dad has an original 1935 zippo I think
Id be inteested in trading for it if hes willing to do so, or Id buy it from him for the right price, if thats true send me a message if hes interested in selling or trading for it
It's like a brass color he doesn't use it he said it was his dad's my dad has a a deer handle case that was his dad but he keeps the light and a brass pocket watch in one of our wooden gun case where we keep some of our knifes
Hi Jeff
I just bought the Zorro armor and three Zippo armor 167. I do hand engraving and want to start engraving lighters. The Zorro is 154 grams and the Zippo is 58 grams. Both will be fun to engrave. I just have to think of something cool to engrave on them.
love the video. gues what i shot my zippo.well here is another one.
zorro looks cool but still loyal to zippo.
I suspect that the giant shower of sparks eats up flints faster and the Zippo sparks are more than enough to ignite the fuel.
You can control how much it sparks by changing where your thumb is on the wheel. If it's on the top, that's full travel, if you put tlyour thumb on the side of the wheel then the travel is limited a lot and it will grind on the Flint less.
I think I saw the zorro in the movie safe
the C-clip holds the pin
Zorros have more square shape chimneys and less quality cams... There is better (zippo type) lighter than Zorro, which is called "CHIEF". These are even stronger and better quality than "Zorro". I have both of them.
The Zorros with the machined hinges are just awesome. Zippo was good in the 90s. Quality was much higher than these days. But today Zippos are just fanboy sh*t.
The zorro isn't a fake it's a clone, stop being protective you don't own the company.