I think it's fine to talk about AOD cause its excellent. Best filmmaking community I've ever been a part of. Ill be excited to update my reel at the end of the year to have way more diversity than I do now.
Oof, almost got a heart attack when I saw the beginning of this video, with @markbone shouting "what are you doing!!!" over my film :D Glad you liked most of the shots, the one said shot is already removed :D Thx for the feedback!
your footage is stunning, it’s why I went after you hard, you’re a pro I knew someone like yourself would want to hear/ could stomach some blunt feedback
In case yours interested, this is the trailer for the film, we’re releasing the film next week. :) th-cam.com/video/bin45_lGbO4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KQ50o1k34o5eTnoW
Mark! Thanks so much for the kind words on Zach and I’s work! That is a great critique on the flatness, it’s a mistake I will be trying to avoid making again and one we were trying to be conscious of for so much of the shoot, but it slipped away lol! love the content and all the great bits of advice from you and the inspiration from everyone here!
First of all, Akira. Great movie, great shirt. Second, I love that you don’t hold back your criticism in these videos. That, more than anything, is what has helped my work grow. When I was working directly with a mentor whose opinion I valued, and who respected me enough to be honest and say where my skills were falling short - that made me learn more than any technical tutorial/class could’ve ever taught me. Great stuff as always, Mark.
This was a fabulous help! I did not submit footage here but I definitely took notes regarding all of your suggestions! Thanks so much for all you do! Cheers to you and the team! 👍
@@thyerriwolf thanks! I think my last response was deleted for some reason. It’s called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. It’s on prime under pbs documentaries
I personally think you captured the feeling of being under the artificial lights of a night football match, which made me feel like I was more present in the scene.
(Apologies for the info-dump 😅) Your issue with black levels can be a number of things but it seems to be mostly colour management. That can be anything from things like folks using the GUI monitor to judge colour instead of a proper colour reference pipeline and reference display, to things like using an NLE that doesn't support proper colour management (Premiere, FCPX etc) or it can be how the video is exported and tagged for playing back on Apple OSX (Quicktime mistakenly interprets BT.1886 with their own flavour of gamma and lifts the black level. Videos therefore require a Rec.709-A metadata tag for Quicktime not to do this. Thank Apple). Many operating systems' code doesn't actually operate in the BT.1886 standard (which is Rec.709 at a gamma of 2.4 with a max display brightness of 100nits - what you should be using outside of a theatrical release) so you can end up being sent films that are finished in all sorts of uncontrolled/non-standard gammas that look differently on your GUI display despite 'looking right' on theirs. In OSX especially, you get this issue 'thanks' to OSX ColorSync but Windows also runs in sRGB 2.2 by default (a computer/web standard, not a broadcast video one). So what students/you need to be doing is use a reference video feed that isn't being generated by the operating system. To do that, you first need an 'I/O box' by a company like Aja or Blackmagic, and use finishing software that can actually colour manage the signal pipeline properly through that io box so it can ensure the video signal you are shown is actually the signal in the orignial file and not the signal after the software and operating system has had a pass on it. That 'clean' signal then needs piped into a reference monitor that's been properly calibrated (If you want professional-standard work. that means to BT.1866 on a 'Grade 1/EBU TECH 3263' spec reference monitor in a room that meets SMPTE ST.2080-3). With all that, you can then actually know for sure if what you see is a result of a human decision or a result of other adjustments being made at a system level because of poor colour pipeline management (hardware or software).
As someone who’s mostly self-taught (through TH-cam), I’ve always been taught that ‘crushing the blacks’ was a bad thing so it’s nice to see someone encouraging it and showing the great effect it can have on footage.
The point about the counter shot I love. I'm gonna think about doing that more when I'm filming. This might be a weird analogy but I think reality shows do this. So two people would be in conversation and while person A is talking saying "you wouldn't believe what person C did..." you would see person B reaction of nodding and listening. I've seen enough of these shots that I can tell that these reaction shots are not exactly reacting to that particular person A statement. But it's a animated reaction none the less. And then when the scene ends to go into the next scene, it's like a cliffhanger reaction from both persons just looking at each other with animated looks like "can't you believe what person C did?" Just a thought I've had🎥
Awesome stuff!!!! My two cents: 2:40 the first two shots are "flat" compared to next two shots which have much more light to dark and draws the eye into the important parts without having to "work" for it. If this is an intense trailer, match the intensity of the contrast in shots 5:30 sometimes, we get caught in what we know and we want to let the viewer know that. And sometimes we just want to look at how cool something is... 7:00 you're work will 10x if you had a warm body with you to hold up a neg. 11:07 you front lit this shot. creating, less contrast. Crab left three feet and that shot is MUCH more interesting 12:50 less is more. It's hard to tell from being too close to your piece if shots belong or not. Show it to someone who has NO IDEA about the project (but knows about filmmaking) and ask, "does this feel cohesive?" then consider cutting that stuff that doesn't fit. Additionally, this will help your next project as you will be shooting for the edit, as you seem limited by your creation by the available shots 14:40 that's HUGE mark. Love that idea. Now that is shooting for the edit!
🌄 gang. Keep these critiques coming. So good! Would love to see more content of you showing what you'd change in regards to colouring (like you did in the football submission) 🔥
This is SO valuable... man. So where do I see the call to action for these? This was just one for a 60 Sec clip of one of your projects? I'm in the community, but I did not hear about this.
why dont you do one where people light a scene? anyone can their best terrence malick impression and shoot a backlit shot at dusk. actually lighting (and taking away) is what makes you a DP that someone will want to hire
Go watch any classic movie nice and bright 🌞 little rascals, sandlot, rookie of the year, mighty ducks, ninja 3 dom, back to the future all bright fk that dark contrast shit
Sick of everything being dark. Watch movies at home and like I'm yelling why the f is it so dark what's going on damn wtf every movie is so dark....leave it bright
I’ve ran into an issue with the monitors I’m using to edit on. It’s important to use true color monitors I found it’s impossible to color grade and level correct on just any monitor. When reviewing the footage on different monitors or tvs nothing would look the same across the board
i'll do more of these review videos again if you guys let me know in the comments. I can do them long form also if you'd like? I recognize i talk a lot about AOD in this one, BUT our huge sale ends tonight and someone out there needed to know that! Doors close in just a few days theartofdocumentary.com/
For the football shot, you don't need to adjust luminance to add contrast to your shot. If the film maker wanted a faded, "print black" look, you easily could have added some saturation depth to increase contrast as well. Don't be afraid of lifted blacks, Mark, you need to be aware of the many ways to increase contrast in a shot without adjusting luminance, which will protect your shadows. It will make you a better colorist over time.
I’ll never stop talking about. We have seen insane change in so many filmmakers careers, films and business. It’s also either I mention AOD or do an ad-read for a product you likely do want to buy. I created a product I truly believe in so I don’t have to push other things that I don’t. :) It’s also launch season so I talk about it heaps
Sorry Mark, I know you want to make money from your course but how many times are you going to interrupt the promise of your video (reviewing people's videos) with your own ads... As a viewer I lose trust that I'm going to get to see what you say I'm going to see. Frustrating
Commercial breaks are never fun, but help me understand the difference of talking about my own product vs another paid sponsorship? I make these videos for free of course that I make on TH-cam, so it’s necessary to pay for them somehow :) thanks for the feedback
@@markbone The difference is the frequency and duration. I spend a lot of time on TH-cam (especially on long commutes) and watch many many videos with sponsor slots, and have never felt compelled to mention it before now. These somehow feel quite disruptive and persistent. With just shy of 300k subs, TH-cam is presumably also paying you money for your videos. Love your content, but something to work on perhaps
4:30 "Much more stronger" Jesus, I'm not even a native speaker and I was watching the video on 1.5 speed, but I couldn't help noticing. I'm appaled by people who don't even know their own language. Did you manage to make it through high school or you dropped out to pursue your "dream" of being some illitirate youtube blogger?
I think it's fine to talk about AOD cause its excellent. Best filmmaking community I've ever been a part of. Ill be excited to update my reel at the end of the year to have way more diversity than I do now.
Whut is AOD?
Oof, almost got a heart attack when I saw the beginning of this video, with @markbone shouting "what are you doing!!!" over my film :D
Glad you liked most of the shots, the one said shot is already removed :D Thx for the feedback!
your footage is stunning, it’s why I went after you hard, you’re a pro I knew someone like yourself would want to hear/ could stomach some blunt feedback
In case yours interested, this is the trailer for the film, we’re releasing the film next week. :)
th-cam.com/video/bin45_lGbO4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KQ50o1k34o5eTnoW
there was nothing shocking about that shot...
Mark! Thanks so much for the kind words on Zach and I’s work! That is a great critique on the flatness, it’s a mistake I will be trying to avoid making again and one we were trying to be conscious of for so much of the shoot, but it slipped away lol! love the content and all the great bits of advice from you and the inspiration from everyone here!
First of all, Akira. Great movie, great shirt. Second, I love that you don’t hold back your criticism in these videos. That, more than anything, is what has helped my work grow. When I was working directly with a mentor whose opinion I valued, and who respected me enough to be honest and say where my skills were falling short - that made me learn more than any technical tutorial/class could’ve ever taught me. Great stuff as always, Mark.
This was a fabulous help! I did not submit footage here but I definitely took notes regarding all of your suggestions! Thanks so much for all you do! Cheers to you and the team! 👍
Oh shit you reviewed my ROAR football doc footage as well! Thank you, Mark! I’d shoot your next sports doc for sure
where can I whatch pal? looks amazing
@@thyerriwolf thanks! I think my last response was deleted for some reason. It’s called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. It’s on prime under pbs documentaries
@@monellifilms thanks man, I'll check it out
@@monellifilms It was insane bro well done
I personally think you captured the feeling of being under the artificial lights of a night football match, which made me feel like I was more present in the scene.
We all make mistakes and have things we should be improving on or just be reminded of. These videos are super good for all those things.
This is so very helpful. I see a lot of these errors in my own work, and it really gives me things to look out for on future projects.
Lets gooo ! Thanks for reviewing our short film skyhook loved the critiques!
Need more of these!!! I learn from these reviews more than anything else. Thanks for the great content Mark! ❤
(Apologies for the info-dump 😅)
Your issue with black levels can be a number of things but it seems to be mostly colour management. That can be anything from things like folks using the GUI monitor to judge colour instead of a proper colour reference pipeline and reference display, to things like using an NLE that doesn't support proper colour management (Premiere, FCPX etc) or it can be how the video is exported and tagged for playing back on Apple OSX (Quicktime mistakenly interprets BT.1886 with their own flavour of gamma and lifts the black level. Videos therefore require a Rec.709-A metadata tag for Quicktime not to do this. Thank Apple).
Many operating systems' code doesn't actually operate in the BT.1886 standard (which is Rec.709 at a gamma of 2.4 with a max display brightness of 100nits - what you should be using outside of a theatrical release) so you can end up being sent films that are finished in all sorts of uncontrolled/non-standard gammas that look differently on your GUI display despite 'looking right' on theirs. In OSX especially, you get this issue 'thanks' to OSX ColorSync but Windows also runs in sRGB 2.2 by default (a computer/web standard, not a broadcast video one). So what students/you need to be doing is use a reference video feed that isn't being generated by the operating system. To do that, you first need an 'I/O box' by a company like Aja or Blackmagic, and use finishing software that can actually colour manage the signal pipeline properly through that io box so it can ensure the video signal you are shown is actually the signal in the orignial file and not the signal after the software and operating system has had a pass on it. That 'clean' signal then needs piped into a reference monitor that's been properly calibrated (If you want professional-standard work. that means to BT.1866 on a 'Grade 1/EBU TECH 3263' spec reference monitor in a room that meets SMPTE ST.2080-3).
With all that, you can then actually know for sure if what you see is a result of a human decision or a result of other adjustments being made at a system level because of poor colour pipeline management (hardware or software).
I enrolled in the course the moment the door opened and I can assure everyone undecided - it's totally worth it!
The counter shots tip at the end was so practical and helpful. An easy solution to a problem I've ran into many times.
As someone who’s mostly self-taught (through TH-cam), I’ve always been taught that ‘crushing the blacks’ was a bad thing so it’s nice to see someone encouraging it and showing the great effect it can have on footage.
I dunno why people are so scared, also as you can see from the footage I’m not even reaching 0 half the time
@@markbone Bro u can see literally all the noise u created crushing the blacks, this is crazy incorrect advice
The point about the counter shot I love. I'm gonna think about doing that more when I'm filming. This might be a weird analogy but I think reality shows do this. So two people would be in conversation and while person A is talking saying "you wouldn't believe what person C did..." you would see person B reaction of nodding and listening. I've seen enough of these shots that I can tell that these reaction shots are not exactly reacting to that particular person A statement. But it's a animated reaction none the less. And then when the scene ends to go into the next scene, it's like a cliffhanger reaction from both persons just looking at each other with animated looks like "can't you believe what person C did?" Just a thought I've had🎥
Excellent, excellent analysis here. So valuable to have an objective, informed and insightful perspective on one’s work.
These videos are SOOO useful! I have to get better with learning how to use s-curves
Great video.. loved the breakdowns thanks for sharing Mark 🌆👊
Sensational video. New to this world of cinematography and you just gave me some great insight. Thanks 😊
Love this video bro! I'll make sure I stay tuned for part two and submit my clips haha
I enjoy these videos. Thank you for sharing. More videos like these, please!
Watching these are so helpful! More please!
That listen and nod is a genius idea!
the cinematography black lol, I almost died hahahaha. Love your humour! These reviewing vids are awesome
Man this is awesome! i have learned so much already
The advice regarding the blacks was very helpful - it made a huge difference to that person's footage.
Mark Pleaseeee, I neeed to get into this course and i missed the deadline.
Just joined AOD, Super pumped for the One Day Doc and growing my business! Thanks Mark!
Heck yeah! See you on the inside!
Dang coach thanks this was great advice for sure!
Awesome stuff!!!! My two cents:
2:40 the first two shots are "flat" compared to next two shots which have much more light to dark and draws the eye into the important parts without having to "work" for it. If this is an intense trailer, match the intensity of the contrast in shots
5:30 sometimes, we get caught in what we know and we want to let the viewer know that. And sometimes we just want to look at how cool something is...
7:00 you're work will 10x if you had a warm body with you to hold up a neg.
11:07 you front lit this shot. creating, less contrast. Crab left three feet and that shot is MUCH more interesting
12:50 less is more. It's hard to tell from being too close to your piece if shots belong or not. Show it to someone who has NO IDEA about the project (but knows about filmmaking) and ask, "does this feel cohesive?" then consider cutting that stuff that doesn't fit. Additionally, this will help your next project as you will be shooting for the edit, as you seem limited by your creation by the available shots
14:40 that's HUGE mark. Love that idea. Now that is shooting for the edit!
🌄 gang. Keep these critiques coming. So good! Would love to see more content of you showing what you'd change in regards to colouring (like you did in the football submission) 🔥
Yeah it’s fun colour correcting on the fly
MARK GET SOME REST!!!!YOU LOOK EXHAUSTED FRIEND! we appreciate you and need you in good health!
I took an extra nap this morning before reading this fyi
Where did you get that Akira shirt mark!!?
Can you recommend a lightning design course or book that is completed from zero to advanced to save my time ?
"Contrast is depth" 🙏🏻
love videos like this!
I can do more
That would be a treat ✨️
would be cool in the future if the shorts/videos were linked with credits.
This is SO valuable... man.
So where do I see the call to action for these? This was just one for a 60 Sec clip of one of your projects? I'm in the community, but I did not hear about this.
I post them on my TH-cam community tab and on my instagram. So follow me on insta and make sure to have TH-cam notifications on
Good notes on the clips. Cheers.🌄
why dont you do one where people light a scene?
anyone can their best terrence malick impression and shoot a backlit shot at dusk. actually lighting (and taking away) is what makes you a DP that someone will want to hire
Hi Mark, would you recommend your AOD course if I just want to learn how to film commercials or Product videos and not really documentaries?
Yes. We speak about this lots in create & earn and cinematic eye.
Although I would say getting a good grip on storytelling will benefit any commercial filmmaker
Loved it all except for the end , Parking tickets!!! Classic Canadian battles.
The worst
can someone please show me where I can watch the first wrestling one? please and thank you!
This is really gooood.
Please how can I get my work reviewed?
I understand bringing down the black levels, but shouldn't overall exposures still be near 100%? Can you explain the balance between the two?
Hi Mark, I have some problem with the website, when I clean Enroll now button it’s just get stuck, I have tried several times, doesn’t work
We’ll get that fixed!!
🌄🌅 Thank you Mark
let me color for some of y"all 😂 great video
Hope one day I can produce something worthwhile enough to participate in this :)
Anyone knows the font used at 6;29? It's awesome!!
Video about music and audio please ! 🙏🏼
U rock mark
Rock Bone
I love Akira!!!
Master Mark
everybody has at least heard of Akiry by now
Not the young folks
I was so confused on what you were talking about until I realize you meant Akira. I thought you were talking about a software. 😂
Love from South Africa, what application do u use to edit on ur laptop?
Adobe Premiere
@@markboneoh thanks what about da Vinci ?
Awesome content
Thank you kindly
mark how much do u charge per doc/movie and based on what ? what about length of the movie of the duration of directing etc..
There is no formula for that, there is many more factors than just video length
whats ur mic and please make a video how to edit your voices!
The Akira film was made from like the middle of the manga, so very random lol
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any chance I can get your AOD stickers :)
Where do you live?
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German man advising to crush your blacks 😂😂😂
Won't be able to join AOD this time but I'll be joining in August!
See you then!!
@@markbone actually was at the zoom call and working with Kim now to join next week!
🌇close enough
"And crush your blacks...The cinematography blacks..." hahahaha
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Go watch any classic movie nice and bright 🌞 little rascals, sandlot, rookie of the year, mighty ducks, ninja 3 dom, back to the future all bright fk that dark contrast shit
Sick of everything being dark. Watch movies at home and like I'm yelling why the f is it so dark what's going on damn wtf every movie is so dark....leave it bright
I’ve ran into an issue with the monitors I’m using to edit on. It’s important to use true color monitors I found it’s impossible to color grade and level correct on just any monitor. When reviewing the footage on different monitors or tvs nothing would look the same across the board
Can I intern for you?
@bbqking3908 Respectfully, I wasn’t talking to you.
idk if I would take advice from a guy that can't pronounce fresnel
lol. Go make a film.
Hello Mark
I subscribe to your channel and I note you offer courses and/or support. Could you please send me a link.
All the best,
Mike
We open the doors for theartofdocumentary.com on Sept 10 our course and academy and if you need more info reach out to us at info@aodfilm.com
You're wrong, and here's why, chicken nuggets.
😂
i'll do more of these review videos again if you guys let me know in the comments. I can do them long form also if you'd like? I recognize i talk a lot about AOD in this one, BUT our huge sale ends tonight and someone out there needed to know that! Doors close in just a few days theartofdocumentary.com/
longer please...
For the football shot, you don't need to adjust luminance to add contrast to your shot. If the film maker wanted a faded, "print black" look, you easily could have added some saturation depth to increase contrast as well. Don't be afraid of lifted blacks, Mark, you need to be aware of the many ways to increase contrast in a shot without adjusting luminance, which will protect your shadows. It will make you a better colorist over time.
How to we submit?
please do more - always learn from these kind of videos
Please do more videos like this! I would love for you to rip my videos apart! 😂
"The cinematography blacks..." lmao😂
Come on... Everything is about AOD now... It`s get tired to see you talk about in every video
I’ll never stop talking about. We have seen insane change in so many filmmakers careers, films and business. It’s also either I mention AOD or do an ad-read for a product you likely do want to buy. I created a product I truly believe in so I don’t have to push other things that I don’t. :) It’s also launch season so I talk about it heaps
Welcome to TH-cam man, stop crying
The cinematography blacks* 😂😂😂😂
Sorry Mark, I know you want to make money from your course but how many times are you going to interrupt the promise of your video (reviewing people's videos) with your own ads... As a viewer I lose trust that I'm going to get to see what you say I'm going to see. Frustrating
Commercial breaks are never fun, but help me understand the difference of talking about my own product vs another paid sponsorship? I make these videos for free of course that I make on TH-cam, so it’s necessary to pay for them somehow :) thanks for the feedback
@@markbone The difference is the frequency and duration. I spend a lot of time on TH-cam (especially on long commutes) and watch many many videos with sponsor slots, and have never felt compelled to mention it before now. These somehow feel quite disruptive and persistent. With just shy of 300k subs, TH-cam is presumably also paying you money for your videos. Love your content, but something to work on perhaps
I find it hilarious that this guy thinks he is some expert
I'm one of a few thousand AOD members who have benefitted from his expertise
4:30 "Much more stronger"
Jesus, I'm not even a native speaker and I was watching the video on 1.5 speed, but I couldn't help noticing.
I'm appaled by people who don't even know their own language. Did you manage to make it through high school or you dropped out to pursue your "dream" of being some illitirate youtube blogger?
from someone who spelled appalled and illiterate wrong ! 🤭
😂 lolz sry 4 ma grammerrrr
Why bro hatin on some random thing
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