Thanks for doing the math. This video is great for micro stakes players, because many micro players are playing weird stack sizes and are doing weird pre-flop actions and it creates a lot of weird post flop SPR situations. Another consideration I make in similar situations is future possibilities. There sometimes can be a massive pot in the future against certain tables when I let one go and wait for a better spot.
In this particular case, eyeballing it you can see that if you are putting $800 into a pot with a little more than $2000 in it (including your bet and his call), and when this happens you have about 40% equity when called. This means you are roughly breaking even the times when hands are shown down ($2000 x 40% = $800). So most of the profit in this case occurs when villain folds. The part I would have trouble with at the table is figuring out my equity is about 40%.
You should know things like with a nut flush draw you’re slightly behind a single pair hand (like 45/55), which is the majority of his calling range. You’re a significant dog against sets (25/75) and two pair (KTs only credible combos) but ahead of other draws. So if you know that, you should know you’ll be about 40%.
This really depends on the villain being extremely shortstacked, or under ICM pressure. If the villain is not shortstacked I like to go all-in when I already have top pair + flush draw, i.e if I had say Kc Tc and the board comes Kd 9c 5c, against an aggressive opponent who is trying to raise you off a hand.
Hey PokerBank! Thanks for all the poker content. You've helped my game a lot. When using HashTags on TH-cam, you can't have a space in the word. So using #All in will make it #all which it is right now. Try changing it to #Allin or #All-in. Hope this helps :)
how important and practical is this material, the workbook, when playing in real-time? is it just knowing the certain ev of certain situations and getting familiar with it so i can apply it when i see it live? or is it knowing how to get the ev? bc what is the benefit of that? i hate to ask this question but i genuinely do not know. thanks for the video,
It's very important and practical. But honestly, this kind of off-table work is meant to help you eyeball the EV in real time. You begin to see patterns of EV in spots that come up often, which is why the workbook lays out more common spots instead of super a-typical ones =)
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't need to run an elaborate EV calculation to know that 42% of the time I draw the nuts + decent chance he folds = profitable play to shove.
While the calculation is interesting, I'm still a bit confused on how to use this in my actual game. I suppose I could analyze my hands after the fact but it doesn't really help me a lot. Should I be going through these decisions frequently so as to develop an intuition for this? How would I test myself?
@@masonbechard3406 which is downright silly. In reality you do that and they will snap call with AA KK a ton cause you've been 4betting an 8% range and their best move was to let you fire a cbet in a huge pot instead of getting you to fold all your nonsense. But 30ish % is fine anyway I'll gladly take it once I put myself in that spot.
Hey James, yet another solid video! Your content is like a fine wine hahaha. So I’m definitely picking up the Postflop Workbook (asked for it for christmas, but will be grabbing it anyway if not gifted it) - what else do you have literature-wise that you believe would work well for online micro-stakes, low-level live cash, and/or low-stakes tournaments? Cheers!
Thanks Andrew and enjoy your workbook! For that sort of spread, I would heavily recommend CORE (by Red Chip Poker) if you haven't already: redchippoker.com/launch-core/
Hey Poker Bank, thank you for you´re greate content. After watching this video can I say, that it is allway profitable (cash game and tounament) to shuff Ass high flush draws on the flop when there is already a big amount of chips in the middle? Thanks and keep crushing!
I find it helpful to think of EV like this. If I had this exact situation thousands of times I could expect to come out an average of +258 each time in the long run. Yes, there are many times when you will lose your whole stack, but decisions in poker are made with the long term in mind. In the short term you will lose at times, but if you consistently make +EV decisions you will be profitable overall.
The baseline for these EV calculations is a fold. You put 0 extra money in, and you win 0 money. There may be a bunch of plays that are all +EV relative to that; that's why he talks about computing the EV of different plays too, and seeing which one is the highest.
At 3:14 when calculating their calling range you say they're going to call a 2x pot all-in with middle pair. Is this realistic? What middle pairs would they even have in this scenario? Only 10's I can think of that should be in his range is 1010, even that a lot of people would fold preflop. Good content - still learning so I'm likely wrong but would be good to get your understanding!
In a small SPR pot, calling this shove with Tx can make a lot of sense, especially if you think the villain might be more inclined to check their monster hands. The Tx hands in this range are things like AT, QT, and JT, so it's not like every possible Ten-X hand is included =) Of course, if you disagree with a range, no problem. Just assign your own range and re-run the equity + folding numbers accordingly to see what the EV looks like then.
This hand isn’t “just a flush [draw I assume you meant]”. It’s the nut flush draw so hero’s ace will be live against some hands eg KQ, JJ. Also if villain has any worse flush draws that he calls with (unlikely in a 4 bet pot tbf) then hero has them crushed.
SPLIT.SUIT. Since you were 3-bet by villain, does it not imply a decent amount of 'aces' in villains range. This cuts on your equity. How was that included in your calculations? Thanks. Good stuff!!
The range assignment here was that the big hands (like AA) were 5bet instead of just calling hero's 4bet. If you disagree with the range for any reason, you can always go back and re-analyze it by updating the appropriate variables in the formula =)
@@splitsuit Really enjoy your videos and analyses. Does the 5-bet assumption for “big” hands include A-K? If A-K calls (and you assume always continues with top-top) it looks like the equities start to run close even with the Ac in your hand.
Amazing video! Your poker math lessons are always great, but the production in this video is next level. Hats off!
Thank you so much!
Thanks for doing the math.
This video is great for micro stakes players, because many micro players are playing weird stack sizes and are doing weird pre-flop actions and it creates a lot of weird post flop SPR situations.
Another consideration I make in similar situations is future possibilities. There sometimes can be a massive pot in the future against certain tables when I let one go and wait for a better spot.
Cheers!
Omfg!!! Splitsuit fixed his volume finally, now I can actually watch and listen to this great content
Amazing james. So helpful. I would love to see you use this formula in a situation where SPR and stack depth are more deeper. Love your content.
Thanks Angelo! The same formula gets used when you are jamming, regardless of the SPR depth =)
Is the formula used only when jamming?
@@angeloperezceo8101 no, but when jamming this EV formula gives you the most complete picture since there are no future events to account for.
Thank you so much. Your amazing. I love your content. I cant keep up with you. Your a god.
@@angeloperezceo8101 I'm definitely not a god, but I appreciate the sentiment =)
In this particular case, eyeballing it you can see that if you are putting $800 into a pot with a little more than $2000 in it (including your bet and his call), and when this happens you have about 40% equity when called. This means you are roughly breaking even the times when hands are shown down ($2000 x 40% = $800). So most of the profit in this case occurs when villain folds. The part I would have trouble with at the table is figuring out my equity is about 40%.
Cheers! There are equity exercises in the beginning of the workbook to help improve those estimation skills =)
You should know things like with a nut flush draw you’re slightly behind a single pair hand (like 45/55), which is the majority of his calling range.
You’re a significant dog against sets (25/75) and two pair (KTs only credible combos) but ahead of other draws.
So if you know that, you should know you’ll be about 40%.
This really depends on the villain being extremely shortstacked, or under ICM pressure. If the villain is not shortstacked I like to go all-in when I already have top pair + flush draw, i.e if I had say Kc Tc and the board comes Kd 9c 5c, against an aggressive opponent who is trying to raise you off a hand.
Hey PokerBank! Thanks for all the poker content. You've helped my game a lot. When using HashTags on TH-cam, you can't have a space in the word. So using #All in will make it #all which it is right now. Try changing it to #Allin or #All-in. Hope this helps :)
It does, thank you!
Thanks again James , your videos are the best .
Cheers John!
how important and practical is this material, the workbook, when playing in real-time?
is it just knowing the certain ev of certain situations and getting familiar with it so i can apply it when i see it live?
or is it knowing how to get the ev? bc what is the benefit of that? i hate to ask this question but i genuinely do not know.
thanks for the video,
It's very important and practical. But honestly, this kind of off-table work is meant to help you eyeball the EV in real time. You begin to see patterns of EV in spots that come up often, which is why the workbook lays out more common spots instead of super a-typical ones =)
@@splitsuit thanks James, appreciate it
your content is pretty nice thanks. i wonder how it works out if you bet 300 oin flop and jam any turn
Question..... how often should you/i raise with nut flush draw on flop with position?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't need to run an elaborate EV calculation to know that 42% of the time I draw the nuts + decent chance he folds = profitable play to shove.
Is it really that hard to understand that this was just an example to illustrate how it works?
is the work book followed with vids on how to master flopzilla pro?? im interested on that
great content ty!!!
There is an included course where I show how to use Flopzilla Pro to complete each relevant chapter =)
While the calculation is interesting, I'm still a bit confused on how to use this in my actual game. I suppose I could analyze my hands after the fact but it doesn't really help me a lot. Should I be going through these decisions frequently so as to develop an intuition for this? How would I test myself?
Yah a lot of youtube and twitch streamers run equilab and huds and do weird calculation but then go all in with AKo
Nice video, thanks. I couldn't tell whether the Villains range include AA, KK, AK in the "your equity" calculation?
he didn't include it because he assumed they would 5 bet preflop
@@masonbechard3406 which is downright silly. In reality you do that and they will snap call with AA KK a ton cause you've been 4betting an 8% range and their best move was to let you fire a cbet in a huge pot instead of getting you to fold all your nonsense. But 30ish % is fine anyway I'll gladly take it once I put myself in that spot.
Hey soup, I’ve been trying to find coaching but having a hard time getting replies. Do you offer private 1 on 1 coaching?
Thank you
You're very welcome Tom
Nicely done James :)
tyty!
Hey James, yet another solid video! Your content is like a fine wine hahaha.
So I’m definitely picking up the Postflop Workbook (asked for it for christmas, but will be grabbing it anyway if not gifted it) - what else do you have literature-wise that you believe would work well for online micro-stakes, low-level live cash, and/or low-stakes tournaments? Cheers!
Thanks Andrew and enjoy your workbook! For that sort of spread, I would heavily recommend CORE (by Red Chip Poker) if you haven't already: redchippoker.com/launch-core/
Hey Poker Bank, thank you for you´re greate content. After watching this video can I say, that it is allway profitable (cash game and tounament) to shuff Ass high flush draws on the flop when there is already a big amount of chips in the middle?
Thanks and keep crushing!
Not "always", but often in very small SPR pots =)
Hello! What is EV of +258 compared to? Is it relative to the 800 you put in on the all in on the flop? Thanks!
I find it helpful to think of EV like this. If I had this exact situation thousands of times I could expect to come out an average of +258 each time in the long run. Yes, there are many times when you will lose your whole stack, but decisions in poker are made with the long term in mind. In the short term you will lose at times, but if you consistently make +EV decisions you will be profitable overall.
The baseline for these EV calculations is a fold. You put 0 extra money in, and you win 0 money. There may be a bunch of plays that are all +EV relative to that; that's why he talks about computing the EV of different plays too, and seeing which one is the highest.
At 3:14 when calculating their calling range you say they're going to call a 2x pot all-in with middle pair. Is this realistic? What middle pairs would they even have in this scenario? Only 10's I can think of that should be in his range is 1010, even that a lot of people would fold preflop.
Good content - still learning so I'm likely wrong but would be good to get your understanding!
In a small SPR pot, calling this shove with Tx can make a lot of sense, especially if you think the villain might be more inclined to check their monster hands. The Tx hands in this range are things like AT, QT, and JT, so it's not like every possible Ten-X hand is included =)
Of course, if you disagree with a range, no problem. Just assign your own range and re-run the equity + folding numbers accordingly to see what the EV looks like then.
@@splitsuit Cool makes sense, thanks!
@@chrisungoed8793 any time!
So the simple answer is I should get all in just when I have flush or or above? Right?
This hand isn’t “just a flush [draw I assume you meant]”.
It’s the nut flush draw so hero’s ace will be live against some hands eg KQ, JJ. Also if villain has any worse flush draws that he calls with (unlikely in a 4 bet pot tbf) then hero has them crushed.
nice vids bro.
SPLIT.SUIT. Since you were 3-bet by villain, does it not imply a decent amount of 'aces' in villains range. This cuts on your equity. How was that included in your calculations? Thanks. Good stuff!!
The range assignment here was that the big hands (like AA) were 5bet instead of just calling hero's 4bet. If you disagree with the range for any reason, you can always go back and re-analyze it by updating the appropriate variables in the formula =)
@@splitsuit Really enjoy your videos and analyses. Does the 5-bet assumption for “big” hands include A-K? If A-K calls (and you assume always continues with top-top) it looks like the equities start to run close even with the Ac in your hand.
@@splitsuit Probably need to buy/read your book on playing A-K ;)
@@markflugge because AK isn't listed in the range for this exercise, the assumption is that villain 5bet AK as well as QQ+.
@@markflugge it's certainly worth a read imo =)
Why wouldn't they call with AKo?
how do you know your opponent's range?? its just a guess, no?
Phil ivey shoves and villains fold all the time
I think you can just gamble here
when you flop a pair or have two over cards....
No flips were won today boys =(
Who wins flips?
WHAT IS EV???
Number 2 comment.
And here I have donks calling my all-ins with a non-ace high flush draw on a paired board......and get there
You're playing too low a table. Higher the buy-in, the less i find this to be the case.
Why you just go with this information and win real money instead of making video in youtub ?
Why not do both?
@@splitsuit because you are giving to otheres your initiatives
@@amoirzhoogel1948 I'm OK with that