Its very impressive seeing the missiles performance but also depressing watching all those F-4s being destroyed - the F-4 will always remain one of the coolest looking planes to ever fly
The air force would scrap them anyways. They aren't going spend money to keep antiquated aircraft flying. This isn't sad. It's better to use them as target drones.
Some commenters below asked what was being censored in the last intercept video; it's a directional infrared countermeasures system, an IRCM pod that senses an approaching missile and fires bright light and/or laser into the tracking window of the missile.
+deltaboy2011 I think it depends on the system and how many bands of IR or even visible light the missile is built to detect. IRCM pods are supposed to oversaturate the missile seeker with IR. Newer missiles are much harder to fool.
@@illiteratebrian1707 yeah reminds me of when people talk about secret weapons and I’m like if it was actually something they don’t want you to know about you wouldn’t know about it. When the government doesn’t want someone to know something they don’t and if they do and they threaten to share it they somehow commit suicide out of the blue *ahem Epstein ahem*
@@illiteratebrian1707 it is said that the NRO is always at least ( in the most conservative of estimate) 10 years ahead of the cutting edge of civilian technology, so I imagine DARPA too. Really cool stuff, I wish I could work in that area
Not much, actually. The AIM-9X is the variant of the Sidewinder currently in US service, with an updated AIM-9X on the way with the name of AIM-9X Block III which got cancelled due to the Navy's cutting back on their orders of F-15C Strike Eagles. However, its just barely older variant (2008 as opposed to the 2012 of the AIM-9X Block III,) the AIM-9X Block II began delivery to the armed forces in 2013. The Block II adds Lock-on After Launch capability due to the addition of a datalink, allowing 360 degree engagements on compatable aircraft. ...and yes, it can still lock onto the Sun.
@@KatariaGujjar It can against enemies with air power (see Iraq with AIM-7/AIM-9L). But it won't do much against terrorists with absolutely no air power whatsoever (Taliban)
@@Julio_Tortillia Most engagements against a peer enemy in a hot war will be conducted at extreme range. It's very unlikely a peer enemy will let you get close enough to use your heatseekers.
@@damaan1243 what are you smoking? the aim9X is the top dog. there is a reason why the united states spends so much on weapon development. we test and test. choose the winners then test again. and again. now ranges could be a argument, but overall. nothing beats the aim 9x
@@SunTzu2024 the IRIS-T definitely outclasses the 9X in range, maneuverability, reliability and IRCCM. It's a 20+ year old enhancement of a 60+ year old platform. While still definitely usable and not obsolete, it falls short compared to the brand new European systems. The AIM-120 is also way behind in terms of range, now being considered a medium range at ~120km theoretical range, compared to Russian, Chinese and European systems that easily push past 200km.
probably less effective now, yanno like everything else. Its probably smaller, but cost the same price. Made out of cheaper parts, every corner cut. Thats what we do. #progress
The *missile* knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the *missile* from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the *missile* is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the *missile* must also know where it was. The *missile* guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the *missile* has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
@@w5monkey With the drawn reciprocating dingle arm governing the wang shaft of course. That and the hydrocoptic marzel vanes effectively removed any chance of deplaneration. Its the very aspect that allows Milford Trunnions to be as good as they are. Provided you remember to lubricate your sliphole before any gripjiggy, of course.
The point to not having a warhead is multi-fold, but one of the main reasons is that if the missile goes rouge, it doesn't blow up some building on the range, or at worst (most likely never with the range of these things) hit a civilian area.
@Tomahawk1999 The drone plane is not necessarily lost. If the missle does a near miss, but still within the leathal range of the proximity warhead, then the missle test can be considered a success and the drone aircraft can be landed and reused. If you had the warhead, a near miss is still one destroyed drone... and they only have so many of these Vietnam era jets laying around to blow up.
If the drone aircraft is damaged at all, a AIM9 warhead is strapped into the rear seat, it will be detonated destroying the aircraft. And they had hundreds of F4's to use, they have now started on F16's.
Impressive high off bore intercepts. 1:34 fox to QF-4 intercept is really really something. I wonder what they are trying to hide at 1:43 on that QF-4.
@@cliksmart Nope only chaff is. ECM means Electronic Counter Measures and consists of for example jammers and chaff. Flares are infrared counter measures. That aside Electronic counter measures won't have an affect on an Aim-9x since it is infrared guided and does not rely on external communication.
@@cliksmart No, just because you combine Chaff (electronic countermeasure) and Flares (IR countermeasures) against EO Targeting it isn't suddenly ECM. The E in electronic stands for the countermeasure, not the device you are countering. Flares don't spoof radar, and Chaff doesn't spoof IR, (most if not all) planes allow you to choose wether you launch flares or chaff so a situation where you launch both is rather uncommon. There are automated systems, but these almost always launch chaff exclusively. Unless the plane is equipped with some form of Missile Warning System, in which case they are able to launch flares. But again only if an IR missile has been detected. ECM is made up of a couple of item (most prominently Chaff and Jamming, although towed Decoy Pods also exist, and they are pretty neat!) So TLDR, if it is both chaff and flare it would just be countermeasures, hope this helps!
For fun? Lol Think of it this way, those beautiful old F-4's are helping the USAF/USN stay ahead of the pack when it comes to air combat. They had their time at the front and now they get to go out flying at least. Beats seeing one sitting in a bone yard dying a slow cancerous ( rust) death.
Crazy that 24 years ago we had a missles that could do 90+ degree turns immediately after leaving the rails 😮. Now Israel and a couple other countries have one that can do 180
Yeah, at first I thought it might be some kind of new high flow flare dispenser or something but I dont see THAT being much of a secret. Could be an IR jammer?
@@someguyfromfinland4239 Really? Okay, take a look at the first gen Sidewinders like the AIM-9B and then look at the AIM-9X and tell me there aren’t any differences.
@@TactileCoder The 9Xs in this video had a disabled warhead so no secrets would be revelaed if they showed the damage after hit. It would be just like a iron rod hitting a plane, not too hard to imagine. Showing the aftermath of drones being hit by 9Xs with warheads would be classified as enemy nations could see the damage of a 9X and try to find some way to improve their planes survivability against such threats.
@@mobius7089 Dude, 2nd degree ... My point is, with a high manoeuvering missile like that, you don't have to worry about the steering cue for an optimal launch ...
When you look at the F-15 hud it generates a steering cue dot that indicates the best place to orient yourself to launch the weapon. The joke is that this thing basically doesn't need one
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn’t. By subtracting where it is from where it isn’t, or where it isn’t from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviation to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn’t, and arriving at a position that it wasn’t, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn’t, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn’t. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn’t, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it wasn’t. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn’t, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn’t, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn’t be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error
The missile knows where it is, at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't! By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or "deviation". The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position it wasn't, it now is.
It's in the pylon area, and you can see some sort of bright light flickering there. I think it might be the BOL flare dispenser, since those dispensers are typically incorporated into part of a pylon...
The race between defense and offense never ends. It's a continuous game of one-upsmanship. The safest place to be is at a drone control panel 100 miles away from the action. And eventually, that position will become endangered, as anything emitting a signal can be targeted. For the most part, we currently are not dealing with enemies of sophistication (insurgents). Cleaverness, yes, but no one sophistcated like Russia or China...at the moment. Our technology lead is good for now.
The missiles can easily take down an aircraft but airforces, the world over, prefer not to put a warhead in most of the missiles during testing! The reason why is so that they can reuse the drones.
@@moxin5004 Yup, Syrian SU-22s managed to defeat a aim9x using old flares. The missiles had been trained to ignore American flares, so when faced with decade old soviet flares it when straight for it.
Hmmmmmm I think the blocked out material in the turn and burn shot is hiding an onboard IR countermeasure.. maybe a laser-based one? You can see some sort of a pod (looks like ECM) as it unmasks its underside to the camera...
Yeah the AIM-9X COMPLETELY changes the game when it comes to dogfighting. You no longer need to be behind the aircraft you are trying to shoot down, you only need to be within range.
R-60, 73, AIM-9L already did that. All aspect was a thing since the... late 70s? AIM-9X was developed after the US got their hands on East German R-73s and found out it completely outclassed anything in American inventory.
@@TheNicestPig good god you’ve drunk a LOT of the Soviet Kool-Aid, haven’t you? The R-60 had ZERO off-bore sight capability. It was a very agile missile, but when it came to targeting all it had was an expanded +/- 20 degree infrared field of detection. Even the Russians never claimed the R-60 had high off bore sight capability. Russia DID claim that the R-73 had high off bore sight capability, and they were telling the truth, if you consider a 40 degree field of regard off centerline as “high off bore sight”. Literally no one else on earth considers 40 degrees to be high off bore sight. ONLY the Russians. You see that a lot with Russian gear. If they can’t meet the standard, just lower the standard. The AIM-9X can literally lock onto and hit aircraft at a 90 degree angle from its centerline. In testing, it’s even successfully hit aircraft that were BEHIND it. That is an entire different world of capability than the R-60 or R-73.
You never mentioned anything about off-boresight in your comment, only all aspect capabilities... R-60 had limited off boresight, and R-60M, an all aspect seeker R-73 was developed in the late 70s, AIM-9X in the early 2000s...
@@TheNicestPig R-60 and 9 Lima arent HOB missiles, and they dont have TV so theyre not that useful in 1C close range dogfights. Also all aspect just means the missile can track jets from all aspects, not that they are HOB missiles that have extremely small turn circles. Just because a missile is an all aspect missile doesnt mean it can do a 180 degree turn within 2 secs after launch to intercept a enemy fighter in a dogfight. Also while the R-73 was a good missile, it didnt outclass everything. US 9Ms had better flare resistance and the main use of the R-73 was for dogfights, but US focused more on BVR capabilities rather than WVR. The US has always had the better Fox-3s and Fox-1s so they always had the range advantage, why should they focus on short range AAMs?
@@Julio_Tortillia Read the original comment, no one mentioned HOB, only the ability to launch at any angle and not needing to be behind the enemy, that's the capability of all-aspect missiles, not HOBs. (In fact the dude probably realized this because he deleted the reply i replied to) Better Fox 3 only after 1991 with the AIM-120, and not really because Russian fox 3s are simply not comparable, take R-37M for example, it is currently racking up kills from 150-200+km, but it's an extremely big and heavy missile that's only feasible and useful for specialized aircraft like MiG-31. Early R-77 falls short of AMRAAM at range but began to catch up around the time R-77-1 and newer variants. And the part about Fox 1 is just false, R-27 and before that, R-24, just completely blow any AIM-7 out of the water, it isn't even a contest. The USSR had BVR advantage outside the F-14 and its AIM-54 (which is a heavy anti-bombet missile with low G overload, mind you).
At this rate, in a few years becoming a fighter pilot will be a job just as boring as all others (no offense). I am obviously not speaking in terms of combat, as sentiment has no place in the primal necessity of survival and victory that war dictates, which can only be achieved through technological supremacy. But I just can't see the interest any more. Fighter pilots will be more akin to airborne hackers and computer geeks trying to outsmart each other with the more clever use of their powerful on-board sensors. No more close-in fighting, and when it happens, it will all be about all-aspect super-agile missiles doing all the work for you against supermaneuverable aircraft that just don't seem as amazing any more, even though in a way they are. At least back in the '70s your radar had inherent limitations, and the dogfight was "honest". Now the only limitations are the other guy's jammers. Pretty frightening, but also somewhat disappointing.
I would say that makes a lot more sense. When I first watched the video I made a quick comment thinking it was warhead related when clearly it's not and as the other user pointed out the warhead had an extra telemetry/avionic/video et al feed. It's probably some kinda new flare and special dispenser. The video obfuscation is such that it covers the motion track of a flare.
A bit late but they were designed before the 2000s, they already have a Aim-260 being developed so no doubt a successor to the Aim-9x is being developed too.
what? You realize this uses thrust vectoring + fins right and it uses EPN guidance. here if you want a basic summary of EPN www.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/td/td2901/palumbo_homing.pdf
Soviet r-73 can "see" contur of target ,she "see" only engine heat but : AIM-9X blockII have a 128x128 optical sensor with AI , she "see" where it's the target and ignore Flare's or IR jammer's also have 2 side data link plane-missile it's possible to lunch without the lock from seeker , LOAL -Lock On After Lunch , and she can transmite video link , it's most modern missile at moment .
@@four-dimensionalperson what i ment by soviet made that with r73 is you can launch that missle when you have a enemy some degrees of your Aircraft. You use a special thing in Helmet to track fighters and lock it.
@@andreasnyh5740 bigger angle of attack more chance to lost target , I'm about r-73 , for a good lock it's need a good angle , r-73 have a good maneuver characteristics but not so good like AIM-9X , if mig-29 for example will launch r-73 at 90 degree missile will lost target , with helmet r-73 have a max angle 80 degrees(for a good lock) AIM-9X with helmet 110 degree , with optical sensors of F-35 + data link posibile to launch to a 180 degree at your 6 .
Its very impressive seeing the missiles performance but also depressing watching all those F-4s being destroyed - the F-4 will always remain one of the coolest looking planes to ever fly
100% agree sad sad times id give a leg up to ride shotgun in a phantom for 5mins.
These are QF-4 target drones, not actual F-4 Phantoms
@@Verdant02 QF-4's are converted F-4's. They are not newly manufactured aircraft.
The air force would scrap them anyways. They aren't going spend money to keep antiquated aircraft flying. This isn't sad. It's better to use them as target drones.
Sacrifices have to be made to create sth wonderful 😢
I'm old enough to have flown with AIM-9 Hotels. I remember getting Limas and thinking they were magic.
That’s awesome
It’s amazing how much the AIM-9 improved over generations. Those new(ish) Xs have some insane characteristics from what I can see.
The Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm would like to thank you guys for demanding constant improvements which resulted in the Limas.
How maneuverable were the aim-9 hotels?
@@Cortana_ice_fox Not very. High angle off, high-g was pretty iffy. The double delta wing gave the Lima much better turning capability.
One day it'll be an F-18 or F-15 being used as a target drone =(
Doubt it. We don't use any of the retired hornets and there are plenty of them. We do use F-16's though.
@@yoyoyoyoshua we don't use hornets because Canada and some countries are still using them lol
@@Joey_Kuang lol countries still use F-16's.
One day it’ll be a space ship being used as a target drone…
QF-16’s are already being used. The sad part is I accepted some of them new from the factory in 1981.
Some commenters below asked what was being censored in the last intercept video; it's a directional infrared countermeasures system, an IRCM pod that senses an approaching missile and fires bright light and/or laser into the tracking window of the missile.
+LordHealey Looks like carrying the IRCM pod makes it worse. Think they programmed it to target specifically for that.
+deltaboy2011 I think it depends on the system and how many bands of IR or even visible light the missile is built to detect. IRCM pods are supposed to oversaturate the missile seeker with IR. Newer missiles are much harder to fool.
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Indeed, they are hard to fool. The moment the missile is fired on the pilot, they should just pray and accept their god.
@@deltaboy2011 'God' is a delusion. There is zero evidence of any 'god'.
@@angela1984a God' is a delusion. There is zero evidence of any 'god'.
Poor F-4 such a beautiful aircraft but at least they aren't using F-14's for target practice.
It is only a matter of time....
They ran out of QF-4s, so now they're shooting QF-16As and QF-16Cs even.
won't happen. They chopped up all of the f-14's so there would be no chance of parts getting back to Iran.
Well, instead of using them as targets they shredded most of them unfortunately. Only a few surviving airframes 😔
@@banzaiib Also recycle alloy's that are not common anymore.
this was 13 years ago, imagine how much it has improved
This was actually filmed in 2000 but was posted to TH-cam later! Really makes you wonder what’s stashed away in the DARPA labs today.
@@illiteratebrian1707 yeah reminds me of when people talk about secret weapons and I’m like if it was actually something they don’t want you to know about you wouldn’t know about it. When the government doesn’t want someone to know something they don’t and if they do and they threaten to share it they somehow commit suicide out of the blue *ahem Epstein ahem*
@@illiteratebrian1707 it is said that the NRO is always at least ( in the most conservative of estimate) 10 years ahead of the cutting edge of civilian technology, so I imagine DARPA too. Really cool stuff, I wish I could work in that area
I mean, the AIM-9 Sidewinder is a AAM from the 50's
Not much, actually. The AIM-9X is the variant of the Sidewinder currently in US service, with an updated AIM-9X on the way with the name of AIM-9X Block III which got cancelled due to the Navy's cutting back on their orders of F-15C Strike Eagles. However, its just barely older variant (2008 as opposed to the 2012 of the AIM-9X Block III,) the AIM-9X Block II began delivery to the armed forces in 2013. The Block II adds Lock-on After Launch capability due to the addition of a datalink, allowing 360 degree engagements on compatable aircraft.
...and yes, it can still lock onto the Sun.
It’s insane, the capability of the aim 9x is amazing
If only it could win wars
@@KatariaGujjar It can against enemies with air power (see Iraq with AIM-7/AIM-9L). But it won't do much against terrorists with absolutely no air power whatsoever (Taliban)
Radar guided missiles are better
@@HaydenLau. You cant use radar missiles for such short engagements. IR missiles are the only ones you could use in ranges as seen in the video.
@@Julio_Tortillia
Most engagements against a peer enemy in a hot war will be conducted at extreme range. It's very unlikely a peer enemy will let you get close enough to use your heatseekers.
These combined with the AIM-120Ds make for a deadly combo.
Indeed
9X is pretty behind compared to everyone else at this point, imagine an F-35 or F-22 with an IRIS-T and AIM-260 combo
@@damaan1243 aim9x is not behind anything
@@damaan1243 what are you smoking? the aim9X is the top dog. there is a reason why the united states spends so much on weapon development. we test and test. choose the winners then test again. and again. now ranges could be a argument, but overall. nothing beats the aim 9x
@@SunTzu2024 the IRIS-T definitely outclasses the 9X in range, maneuverability, reliability and IRCCM. It's a 20+ year old enhancement of a 60+ year old platform. While still definitely usable and not obsolete, it falls short compared to the brand new European systems. The AIM-120 is also way behind in terms of range, now being considered a medium range at ~120km theoretical range, compared to Russian, Chinese and European systems that easily push past 200km.
The missile knows where it is.....
It knows this because it knows where it isn’t...
By subtracting where it is from where it isnt
This one dosn't
an error
It obtains a difference or deviation.
Seeing these F-4 Phantoms being used as target practice and getting shot down is ripping a hole in my soul that cannot be repaired.
Yeah, especially imagine how the F-4 phantoms pilot saw, they would cry!!
a drone
@@airbus_3209 previous pilot of the plane before drone conversion is what they were likely referencing
Its okay one day it will be F18 OR F15 thats gonna be the target drone lol
To think this was tech 23 years ago makes you wonder how much more advanced they are now
probably less effective now, yanno like everything else. Its probably smaller, but cost the same price. Made out of cheaper parts, every corner cut. Thats what we do. #progress
You think these companies want to perpetually work on stuff ..? You crave working..? Or getting paid?
@@666okano The fuck you are talking about?
@@SwissMarksman the fuck you cant read?
I'll take two. Remember when the Blue Angels were F4's?
Also the thunderbirds. Very cool aircraft that did a lot of mig killing.
One of the only 2 fighters that served in the USN, USAF and USMC :)
@@Pouzdraken what's the other one? lightning?
Remeber when they were Skyhawks
@@yourgrandmasalzheimerpills1143 That was a hotrod of a plane!
The *missile* knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the *missile* from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the *missile* is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the *missile* must also know where it was.
The *missile* guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the *missile* has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
Hahahahaha!!!! Classic!
Nope, this is how, there are tiny little green men inside it th-cam.com/video/yXFh54fc8GM/w-d-xo.html
Yes but how did it eliminate the side fumbling?
@@w5monkey With the drawn reciprocating dingle arm governing the wang shaft of course. That and the hydrocoptic marzel vanes effectively removed any chance of deplaneration. Its the very aspect that allows Milford Trunnions to be as good as they are. Provided you remember to lubricate your sliphole before any gripjiggy, of course.
One day that thing will lock on it's own motor
... its* own (it's = it is)
@@einundsiebenziger5488 pretentious little prick
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@@einundsiebenziger5488 No, an apostrophe denotes possession. In this case.**
@@presidentnotsure1066 Thats not how grammar works
It's is just an abbreviation of It is.
"Aww, c'mon, man! You always get to fly the F15. You take the phantom for a change. I'm getting fed up ejecting."
Those QF-4's are drones
It's a joke@@naveednawwaf
I love seeing the POV of the seeker. Very cool.
The point to not having a warhead is multi-fold, but one of the main reasons is that if the missile goes rouge, it doesn't blow up some building on the range, or at worst (most likely never with the range of these things) hit a civilian area.
reminds me of when the Sargent York SPAA when it was activated mediately locked onto and turned its cannons towards a crowd of bystanders
@@swatboy763 that was the Gepard iirc
@@evo3s75nope. York. And the whole contract for it was a bribing disaster
@Tomahawk1999
The drone plane is not necessarily lost. If the missle does a near miss, but still within the leathal range of the proximity warhead, then the missle test can be considered a success and the drone aircraft can be landed and reused. If you had the warhead, a near miss is still one destroyed drone... and they only have so many of these Vietnam era jets laying around to blow up.
If the drone aircraft is damaged at all, a AIM9 warhead is strapped into the rear seat, it will be detonated destroying the aircraft. And they had hundreds of F4's to use, they have now started on F16's.
14 лет назад в ютуб заливали годные и интересные видосы, не то что нынче
9x in war thunder when
Ahhhh!!!! The balloon buster🤯
Impressive high off bore intercepts.
1:34 fox to QF-4 intercept is really really something.
I wonder what they are trying to hide at 1:43 on that QF-4.
What's amazing is they ECM it while Aim9x is being launched.
Huge respect for the realistic test and evaluation!
ECM shouldn't affect the Aim-9x since it is a Heatseaking Missile.
@@koekiejam18 Chaff and Flare is part of ECM
@@cliksmart Nope only chaff is.
ECM means Electronic Counter Measures and consists of for example jammers and chaff. Flares are infrared counter measures.
That aside Electronic counter measures won't have an affect on an Aim-9x since it is infrared guided and does not rely on external communication.
@@koekiejam18 If a pilot releases chaff and flare together to avoid Electro-Optical Targeting(Tracking), isn't it ECM?
@@cliksmart No, just because you combine Chaff (electronic countermeasure) and Flares (IR countermeasures) against EO Targeting it isn't suddenly ECM. The E in electronic stands for the countermeasure, not the device you are countering.
Flares don't spoof radar, and Chaff doesn't spoof IR, (most if not all) planes allow you to choose wether you launch flares or chaff so a situation where you launch both is rather uncommon.
There are automated systems, but these almost always launch chaff exclusively.
Unless the plane is equipped with some form of Missile Warning System, in which case they are able to launch flares.
But again only if an IR missile has been detected.
ECM is made up of a couple of item (most prominently Chaff and Jamming, although towed Decoy Pods also exist, and they are pretty neat!)
So TLDR, if it is both chaff and flare it would just be countermeasures, hope this helps!
For fun? Lol
Think of it this way, those beautiful old F-4's are helping the USAF/USN stay ahead of the pack when it comes to air combat. They had their time at the front and now they get to go out flying at least. Beats seeing one sitting in a bone yard dying a slow cancerous ( rust) death.
I agree its a warrior's death for them.
But better yet they should go to museums. Haha.
For the great or good
7 mig pilots didn't like this video
Make that 43
Including me
No worries, MiGs have had that capability since 1984.
Make that 71 MiG pilots.
Any Mig 31 pilot?
Ah of course recommending me the video just after shooting the ballon down
Props to the F4 pilot for volunteering for such a dangerous job!
And to all the pilot's ho gave their lives for this test by getting shoot down o7
It was the QF-4, a drone variant🤓
Respect to the cameraman for keeping the camera on the 9X
А ведь есть люди кто только родился в 2007 году)
Видео 14 лет, появилось в рекомендациях в 2021, жесть)
Это чепуха, через сто лет будут попадать в рекомендации видео столетней давности...
Ты не поверишь, но есть видео которые снимали в начале XX века
@@user-hb8fc9nv5v ахаха я знаю
th-cam.com/video/ihcqBwufBOc/w-d-xo.html
@@user-hb8fc9nv5v да ну, и на ютуб их тоже в XX веке зарузили?)
@@andriysenyo3008 да, Ютуб вообще ещё древние греки придумали, записывали смешные сценки на папирусы потом в театре их воспроизводили)
Incredible technology, especially from 2003!
F4 got uptiered 💀💀
YOOOO ITS MEE
yes. yes it is
“You’ve got a hole in your left wing!”
ground crew moment
@@jross1269 It's a War Thunder quote. th-cam.com/video/mMLpzKMFdUc/w-d-xo.html
Imagine if the r-60’s are a pain in the ass i cant imagine these
Those 'drone F4s' *must* be the ultimate RC aircraft!
Наконец то, свежее видео
Crazy that 24 years ago we had a missles that could do 90+ degree turns immediately after leaving the rails 😮. Now Israel and a couple other countries have one that can do 180
Yeah, at first I thought it might be some kind of new high flow flare dispenser or something but I dont see THAT being much of a secret. Could be an IR jammer?
*I CAN FEEL IT* i am here before this is in people recommended
Lazers. Starwars stuff.
To be fair my recommended is filled with nothing but military and weapons related content
And this was 23 years ago now. Imagine how much deadlier the 9X had gotten in that timeframe…
Well not by much. Aim-9's were made in the '50s and have barely changed since then
@@someguyfromfinland4239
Really? Okay, take a look at the first gen Sidewinders like the AIM-9B and then look at the AIM-9X and tell me there aren’t any differences.
I love the F-4 Phantom. Had to see them used as target drones.
2000? I didn’t know the 9x was so old!
Most impressive kill of this missile so far was against a Chinese 5th Gen stealth Balloon
ah yes a guy with no brain to think
@@yessir5669 you're talking to yourself then
@@svenskaz3428 what do you mean?
@@yessir5669 you're a ccp puppet
Ballon have little heat signature, so if AIM9x can shoot a Ballon that missile have no difficulty to shoot Stealth Plane
why do you guys think the final short was censored?
Is there videos showing the QF-4’s post hit? Would love to see them fly after the hits and impact the ground, etc.
No way. Highly classified.
@@TactileCoder The 9Xs in this video had a disabled warhead so no secrets would be revelaed if they showed the damage after hit. It would be just like a iron rod hitting a plane, not too hard to imagine.
Showing the aftermath of drones being hit by 9Xs with warheads would be classified as enemy nations could see the damage of a 9X and try to find some way to improve their planes survivability against such threats.
Gaijin Entertainment: Write that down, write that down!!!
''What was that symbol on the HUD ?
- Steering cue.
- what was that for ?"
Where? I don't see a HUD shot in the video. We are looking at the seeker ofthe missile if that's what you are referring to.
@@mobius7089
Dude, 2nd degree ...
My point is, with a high manoeuvering missile like that, you don't have to worry about the steering cue for an optimal launch ...
When you look at the F-15 hud it generates a steering cue dot that indicates the best place to orient yourself to launch the weapon. The joke is that this thing basically doesn't need one
The missile knows...
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn’t. By subtracting where it is from where it isn’t, or where it isn’t from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviation to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn’t, and arriving at a position that it wasn’t, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn’t, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn’t. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn’t, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it wasn’t. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn’t, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn’t, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn’t be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error
@@timharnans A man of culture.
How is this possible
The AIM-9X can also attack land based targets as well.
To put this into perspective, the original Aim-9 was often confused by the sun...
The missile knows where it is, at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't! By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or "deviation". The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position it wasn't, it now is.
First kill of this missile= a baloon
It's in the pylon area, and you can see some sort of bright light flickering there. I think it might be the BOL flare dispenser, since those dispensers are typically incorporated into part of a pylon...
The missile knows where it is from subtracting where it is from where it isn’t.
Gentlemen: We Have Itano Circus
The race between defense and offense never ends. It's a continuous game of one-upsmanship. The safest place to be is at a drone control panel 100 miles away from the action. And eventually, that position will become endangered, as anything emitting a signal can be targeted. For the most part, we currently are not dealing with enemies of sophistication (insurgents). Cleaverness, yes, but no one sophistcated like Russia or China...at the moment. Our technology lead is good for now.
wow boomer comment
Hard to believe the AIM 9X has been around since 2000. It's hard to imagine what the latest stock can do
They’re rumored to be able to turn completely around very quickly and still keep energy
We’re on the 9X block II+ rn
Sidewinder be going crazy
The missiles can easily take down an aircraft but airforces, the world over, prefer not to put a warhead in most of the missiles during testing! The reason why is so that they can reuse the drones.
Holy shit 14 years old comment, you still alive dude? Imagine how much these missiles improved since you wrote that
wait you uploaded this 17 years ago??
I cant imagine how terrifying it must be to have one of these launched at you from 1 or 2 kilometres away, there aint much you can do
Eject, or pray for the flares to work
flares have worked before there was an I incident where an old flanker defeated an aim9x with flares and maneuvers
@@moxin5004 Yup, Syrian SU-22s managed to defeat a aim9x using old flares. The missiles had been trained to ignore American flares, so when faced with decade old soviet flares it when straight for it.
anti missile missiles are a thing.... third generation actually.
@@passivehouseaustralia4406 Waiting for the day we have loads of (anti)^x (missile)^(x+1) 's just flying everywhere
No way this super advanced missile is from the windows XP era
Well shit guess I’m from the Windows XP era lol
This is basically the QAAM from Ace Combat 7 and Infinity.
It's been over two decades. I strongly believe modern 9Xs outclass the QAAM by a mile
Man, if only my missiles in AC7 could do this.
Fuck you Mihaly. I'm still mad.
They certainly seem better than the QAAM and those are broken
I dunno, QAAMs have OP tracking, going arond for 2nds and 3rds. But the AIM-9x definitely has the better range.
Hmmmmmm I think the blocked out material in the turn and burn shot is hiding an onboard IR countermeasure.. maybe a laser-based one? You can see some sort of a pod (looks like ECM) as it unmasks its underside to the camera...
My heart breaks every time i see a QF-4 go down.
I hated to see the F106 go down too.
1:43 why are they censoring the flares
Wow, you tube recommend this video after 14 years 😂
Lol that censored countermeasures pod really seems to have backfired
Gaijin pls
No
@@chrisbarreda3762R-73 moment
gaijin pls no
That is amazing how maneuverable that missile is
すげえ…
Did that last one pop a U turn and still get the kill?!
Respect to the brave pilots flying the target aircraft.
the poor copper
fox 2 is for heat seekers right? and fox 3 is for active radar? and what's up with the censored flares?
Yeah the AIM-9X COMPLETELY changes the game when it comes to dogfighting. You no longer need to be behind the aircraft you are trying to shoot down, you only need to be within range.
R-60, 73, AIM-9L already did that. All aspect was a thing since the... late 70s?
AIM-9X was developed after the US got their hands on East German R-73s and found out it completely outclassed anything in American inventory.
@@TheNicestPig good god you’ve drunk a LOT of the Soviet Kool-Aid, haven’t you?
The R-60 had ZERO off-bore sight capability. It was a very agile missile, but when it came to targeting all it had was an expanded +/- 20 degree infrared field of detection. Even the Russians never claimed the R-60 had high off bore sight capability.
Russia DID claim that the R-73 had high off bore sight capability, and they were telling the truth, if you consider a 40 degree field of regard off centerline as “high off bore sight”. Literally no one else on earth considers 40 degrees to be high off bore sight. ONLY the Russians. You see that a lot with Russian gear. If they can’t meet the standard, just lower the standard.
The AIM-9X can literally lock onto and hit aircraft at a 90 degree angle from its centerline. In testing, it’s even successfully hit aircraft that were BEHIND it. That is an entire different world of capability than the R-60 or R-73.
You never mentioned anything about off-boresight in your comment, only all aspect capabilities...
R-60 had limited off boresight, and R-60M, an all aspect seeker
R-73 was developed in the late 70s, AIM-9X in the early 2000s...
@@TheNicestPig R-60 and 9 Lima arent HOB missiles, and they dont have TV so theyre not that useful in 1C close range dogfights.
Also all aspect just means the missile can track jets from all aspects, not that they are HOB missiles that have extremely small turn circles. Just because a missile is an all aspect missile doesnt mean it can do a 180 degree turn within 2 secs after launch to intercept a enemy fighter in a dogfight.
Also while the R-73 was a good missile, it didnt outclass everything. US 9Ms had better flare resistance and the main use of the R-73 was for dogfights, but US focused more on BVR capabilities rather than WVR. The US has always had the better Fox-3s and Fox-1s so they always had the range advantage, why should they focus on short range AAMs?
@@Julio_Tortillia Read the original comment, no one mentioned HOB, only the ability to launch at any angle and not needing to be behind the enemy, that's the capability of all-aspect missiles, not HOBs. (In fact the dude probably realized this because he deleted the reply i replied to)
Better Fox 3 only after 1991 with the AIM-120, and not really because Russian fox 3s are simply not comparable, take R-37M for example, it is currently racking up kills from 150-200+km, but it's an extremely big and heavy missile that's only feasible and useful for specialized aircraft like MiG-31.
Early R-77 falls short of AMRAAM at range but began to catch up around the time R-77-1 and newer variants.
And the part about Fox 1 is just false, R-27 and before that, R-24, just completely blow any AIM-7 out of the water, it isn't even a contest. The USSR had BVR advantage outside the F-14 and its AIM-54 (which is a heavy anti-bombet missile with low G overload, mind you).
Amd they are testing it on a f4 phantoms
Little did they know its next target would be a balloon.
THE BLOONS ARE REEEEEEEEAL
At this rate, in a few years becoming a fighter pilot will be a job just as boring as all others (no offense). I am obviously not speaking in terms of combat, as sentiment has no place in the primal necessity of survival and victory that war dictates, which can only be achieved through technological supremacy. But I just can't see the interest any more. Fighter pilots will be more akin to airborne hackers and computer geeks trying to outsmart each other with the more clever use of their powerful on-board sensors. No more close-in fighting, and when it happens, it will all be about all-aspect super-agile missiles doing all the work for you against supermaneuverable aircraft that just don't seem as amazing any more, even though in a way they are. At least back in the '70s your radar had inherent limitations, and the dogfight was "honest". Now the only limitations are the other guy's jammers. Pretty frightening, but also somewhat disappointing.
Yet you have a US populous whose only knowledge of air warfare is watching Top Gun, thinking they know more about air warfare than the Pentagon.
read up on missile notching and BVR combat.
I would say that makes a lot more sense. When I first watched the video I made a quick comment thinking it was warhead related when clearly it's not and as the other user pointed out the warhead had an extra telemetry/avionic/video et al feed. It's probably some kinda new flare and special dispenser. The video obfuscation is such that it covers the motion track of a flare.
2020
POV: my friend playing seeing this in dnd: nah I’d parry. *Ends up parrying it putting in his inventory*
Gotdamn qaams
I thought the same lmao
These were onvented already in 2000? Damn
A bit late but they were designed before the 2000s, they already have a Aim-260 being developed so no doubt a successor to the Aim-9x is being developed too.
air ballet dancing.
they way it just punched straight through the Phantom like it was nothing.. thats a Highly kenetic missile!
LMAO at the end shot, censoring flares...really? LOL!
+CM-aka Sweeper Guess they want the enemy to believe flares still work.
+deltaboy2011 The other guys mostly know what flares work on...
CM-aka Sweeper
Indeed.
LordHealy above said it was an IRCM system, not flares
this missile unironically could get used in Space
RIP to all the pilots sacrificed for testing like this
The missile knows where it is at all times
Use the useless f35s instead of a battle proven and still valid aircraft
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Did anyone else have this pop up in their front page 16 years later?
USAF Pro Photoshoppers.
+Jafroboy The video is showing a flying SAM site.
As well as the USAF's 1337 shooping skilz...
what? You realize this uses thrust vectoring + fins right and it uses EPN guidance.
here if you want a basic summary of EPN
www.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/td/td2901/palumbo_homing.pdf
Jafroboy Trolling Eh?
Didnt soviet make the R73 this in the 80's?
Soviet r-73 can "see" contur of target ,she "see" only engine heat but :
AIM-9X blockII have a 128x128 optical sensor with AI , she "see" where it's the target and ignore Flare's or IR jammer's also have 2 side data link plane-missile it's possible to lunch without the lock from seeker , LOAL -Lock On After Lunch , and she can transmite video link , it's most modern missile at moment .
@@four-dimensionalperson what i ment by soviet made that with r73 is you can launch that missle when you have a enemy some degrees of your Aircraft. You use a special thing in Helmet to track fighters and lock it.
@@andreasnyh5740 bigger angle of attack more chance to lost target , I'm about r-73 , for a good lock it's need a good angle , r-73 have a good maneuver characteristics but not so good like AIM-9X , if mig-29 for example will launch r-73 at 90 degree missile will lost target , with helmet r-73 have a max angle 80 degrees(for a good lock) AIM-9X with helmet 110 degree , with optical sensors of F-35 + data link posibile to launch to a 180 degree at your 6 .
P-51 with aim9x when?
В СССР пуск ракеты таким образом реализовали еще в конце 70-х голов, нашлемные целеуказатели на МиГ-29 и Су-27 не дадут соврать.
СССР надорвал пупочек и скопытился.
I’m sitting here says BG … no no not a phantom! . I have a special place in my heart for them.
i am using this to teach my new troops about the capabilities. even today in 2023
They don't have warheads in them, that's why the planes don't disappear in a ball of fire
Lufberry scenario terminology has been reclassified so don’t assume passage of time means reduction of security, in fact it is the opposite.