XEEN VS Rokinon $800 Lens VS $2,500 Lens!
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- Can you tell the difference between a 24mm Xeen Cinema Prime Lens over a 24mm Rokinon Cinema Prime Lens?
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#xeen #rokinon #lenses
Absolute perfection. Finally, someone who understands that you can't compare two completely separate images with separate lenses and call it a "Test". You're footage was great, and the presentation was fantastic. Not too much commentary, and what was there was actually meaningful. YOU HAVE MY SUB good sir!!!
+pendrin2020 thanks man!
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I prefer the Xeen's color. Other than that, the difference seems pretty negligible. Let's sell a Xeen shell/case that fits over the Rokinon so you look cool without spending the $. LOL.
Also, I love that Rokinon lens. It's my main squeeze.
+Snazzy Labs The Xeen IS a shell over the Rokinon glass, with a different focus mechanism and slightly different coatings.
And yeah, I love the Rokinon/Samyang 24mm too.
+PiDsPagePrototypes no it is not, you shouldn't post bad info
Mac Ruiz - it was according to the press & publicity releases - Same Glass, better coatings with less flaring, and a 'Cine' housing that give less Focus Breathing.
Regardless, they're pretty good products at their price range.
I don't think he white balanced each time he switched the lens which is probably why the Rokinon looked bluer.
This was extremely fascinating. I had Xeen as Lens A because of the first clip, but when you pulled focus with the fire I was expecting a way bigger difference in bokeh. Interesting. Thanks for the video!
same. bokeh was pretty much identical
MS Tech they have the same amount of aperture blades so why would the bokeh be any different?
with the fire look at the focus breathing
yes this.. this is what I noticed as well.. if you owned the rokinon you'd have to mark off on your focus wheel to minimize breathing..
With the lens wide open and the internal glass being the same, save the coatings, you won't seen any difference in the bokeh unless stopped down.
The Xeen looks better, but by such a slim margin that it doesn't justify such a huge difference in price. You could buy a four-lens Rokinon bundle for less than the price of that one Xeen, and I think getting those different focal lengths would be a better way to spend your money.
1 thing that is CRUCIAL for a cine lens: FOCUS BREATHE: on the fire take you can clearly see the rokinon changing the focus range with racking, the image gets bigger...the XEEN the image keeps STILL, frozen, only defocusing, this is the major goal for a cine lens IMO.
If possible, do more rack focus shots so we can see this effect better.
I agree, but breathing is also an aesthetic choice for cine lenses IMO. I'd prefer lenses that has slightly more breathing if I were to shoot an action film because the racking gives sort of a cool effect! :)
Exactly! He was using a pair of 24mm lenses, so the focus breathe wasn't that much actually. If he tried with some 85mm or even longer lens, the difference would be HUGE. A still photo lens would be simply unusable in some cases in that focus lenth.
they both had some breathing tho
This is probably the biggest differences aside from the slight differences in IQ and colour rendering that sets the Xeens apart from the rokinon lenses. The rokinons are essentially just stills lenses with focus gears and a click less aperture ring.
The Canon CN-E lenses (that are double the price of the Xeen’s) DO have focus breathing though. So it’s not really a price thing and just comes down to personal taste
Xeen is better, the out of focus area is very noticeable difference as the Samyang or Rokinon is more fuzzy blurred which doesn't looks that nice and Xeen blurred more naturally.
Genuinely got it right just from the colour.
Color and bokeh for me
Since we can't zoom in %200 it makes sense xd
Xeen is definitely the way to go if you are an indie filmmaker. Much cheaper than a Cooke S4, but truly holds up to it. I enjoyed this test. It really showcased how much of an organic, more natural, look you can get out of Xeen versus the Rokinon. I plan on getting a set of Xeen, now.
"Without further ado"
* proceeds to provide said ado*
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nice comparison video, I do like the color of the xeen, but don't know if that is worth the price difference
Absolutely! The Xeen is a beast. The Rockinon looks a bit magenta. Big difference! Thanks Armando
Excellent video. I own several of the Rokinon Cine DS lenses and find them to be exceptional for the money. For someone getting their feet wet with cine lenses, they're a great way to get used to working in T-stops and pulling focus. I love the way you presented these. Thanks!
Xeen looked better to me on virtually every shot, though half the time I was judging by the color rendition. With out a doubt, short term or if you have to ask what is the difference for the money get the Rokinon. If you making big money on bigger projects then get the Xeen. When I used a Panaflex we used $20,000 to $50,000 for each lens.. (had to rent them even on a big project that I was a small part of) but that was a $180,000,000 film for instance. So it's all relative. But the 2 Rokinons I have at home are pretty darned good for about what a used Nikon/Canon old MF cost on Ebay, and so much easier to use on DSLR or modern digital cine than a Nikon/Canon AF lens.
This is the video that i've been looking for. I'm surprised no one has tried doing the comparison and posted a review like this before. Super awesome, thanks!
Great video Armando, marginal difference for that price jump and if properly color corrected it would be damn near impossible to tell the difference!
unless you pixel peep then yeah.
It's worth just having the proper throw, people spend 2k on rehousing lenses just for that purpose
+mac ruiz today we can map the digitally, i have replicated over 100 primes in after effects and its near impossible to tell apart. i have shared my work with many asc cinematographers and almost all of them picked the digital throw in a blind test. infact many prefered the digital even over many popular kits
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Well done review. I literally had that question. Yes, I can definitely see that the Rokinon broke up wide opened while the Teen looked tack sharp... but at three times the price, I'll just stop down to a 2.8. and buy 2 more lenses. thanks
The Xeen Lens seems to give a really nice warm tone. :)
thank you, I've been searching for a decent video just like this. The closest one is the one that film riot posted but theirs compared the canon and zies lenses. this was helpful
+Nick Rains I saw their video too which I enjoyed.
The Rokinon lens is not made of all plastic and will not break after one drop most likely. I can guarantee this from experience.
Ive used a kit of 4 different Rokinon cine lenses for a few years. I only have 2 of them left. They break pretty quickly, so if youre looking for a lens that lasts a lifetime, I would look elsewhere.
ya and the worst part is no replacement parts to fix something like a broken lens mount, but everything else is ok. not the most durable glass around, but even still a nice value for some one who is careful with their gear. not rental house material, thats for sure.
I own two of them. They're plastic, but it's a nice plastic. I wouldn't trust it after a drop though.
or dont drop them in general. But that seams to be impossible if you are working 25/7 on film projects...
S&S Pictures - Scott Sullivan Duclos did a take apart of a cine ds and some of the screw mounts were plastic that can strip or break completely in a drop. There were a few other things that mark the cine ds as a cheap(er) lens construction-wise.
I’m doing some long term planning for assembling a kit a few years down the road, so I’m relearning and familiarizing myself with all these new products. The Cine DS primes look “good enough” for me if I was putting something together for purchase right now, but the Xeens look pretty sweet. Its an exciting time to get back into filmmaking.
The Xeen looks better but because it is compared side by side with the Rokinon one. Otherwise if I watched a video entirely shoot with the Rokinon lens I think i wouldn't notice anything at all as it looks already pretty good. There is also a magenta cast on the Rokinon lens but I believe it can be corrected easily in post production.
With lenses there is a point where a slightly better improvement will cost a lot.
And Armando good job for doing a video comparison that goes straight to the point. Nothing worse than a 10/15min video with a guy talking about how beautiful and amazing the lens is... without any actual footage of the lens. So thanks for your job !
I appreciate the review. The Rokinon appeared too have quite an aggressive magenta/cooler tint to it. A neutral grey card in a controlled LED lit scene would be very helpful to compare the tint of the two. Thank you.
Great comparison but the question isn't 'Which lens you'd use?'. The thing is, they each have their place in the creation of moving pictures. If your project is shooting for a very high quality image which requires greater accuracy and (frankly) will pay at a higher rate, one would use the Xeen. If the project is more Run'n'Gun, lower budget and not needing to be so perfect, then the Cine DSX is the way to go. This video is a great illustration of what needs to be done to closely approximate the look of the Xeen with the DSX.
Good Job Gents!
Your footage is looking extra crispy, man. Nice.
Spot on with the conclusion. You said exactly what I was going to say. Comes down to the work you do and the TH-cam compression makes differences even less noticeable at times.
It's interesting. I would say your comparison between using a toyota and a lexus is a great example. You could blindfold someone and put them in both cars and ask them to tell you which was the Lexus and people are going to have a tough time telling. Unless you do one of two things. 1: let them feel the quality difference by touching the materials in the vehicle or 2: put the car under some more extreme circumstances... acceleration, handling, breaking, amenities, squeaks, rattles, etc.
So, with these lenses we did pretty moderate tests. I feel like the bokeh was a good test, but I would have liked to have seen some tests showing: how they handle flaring, lens breathing, ability to handle a quick focus pull, long focus pull, shadow gradation, what it's like to swap them out of a rail system with other components attached, etc.
I've seen videos before where they've taken dp's and hand them compare shots taken with different lenses and they couldn't tell the difference between the $100 lens and the $25,000 lens. But the dp's argued that the lenses weren't put under stressful situations where the merits of having a more expensive lens come into play.
Love your video, thanks for making it!
+Gery Teague I like your analogy on the car :)
like? LOVE? thank you so much for doing this! I just purchased the 24 and 50mm XEEN PL mount. to full out my Zeiss Superspeed and CP2 set. (been using those since 1993!!) I now shoot on a Sony F55 with those lenses.
Your comparison is EXACTLY what every lens review should be. Real images and side by side comparisons. Not brick walls and charts.
BTW...The Rokinon's have impressed my clients for years for my DSLR work. Along with other Zeiss lenses they hold up quite well visually. The aperture control did break after a few years of shipping cases and location shoots. The visual quality really is ALMOST as good as it gets. Especially for a few hundred bucks. THANK YOU AGAIN!!! Best ever comparison.
Man what a great video love these kind of comparison
Great work Sir!
Thank you man!
You're right. Colour is mostly a matter of preference and not superiority.
I researched the fire scene over and over again to decide which one I prefer. And honestly I can't distinguish between the 2 even when you put it side by side.
Tq for the video. Oldie but goldie...
Isn't the whole point of these expensive cinema lenses to be easier and more enjoyable to use, especially in a professional setting? Like, I'm sure the Xeen has a way larger focus throw, and other things are just easier to work with. But at the same time it is really quite impressive how well the rokinon holds up.
Woodepic Media the cine (non xeen) versions of rokinon/samyang lenses have a huge focus range and declicked aperture compared to the photo version. I got the 14mm for under 300$ Canadian so they're unbelievable values. You can get f1.4 lenses for around $300 at 50mm, 35, 85, 135, etc.
Thank you. I've been looking at the Rokinon for my walking and tour videos. This was exactly what I was looking for.
I have the Rokinon CINE DS 35 mm lens .. I am absolutely happy with this product. Thank for this awesome review.
I noticed the difference immediately and I'm very impressed with the Xeen, but unless I have a big budget gig I'm going to stick to my Rokinon DS series lenses. You made an excellent point about being able to drop and destroy two lenses without going over the cost of the Xeen. Besides, I find the DS series lenses fairly durable so far.
Hi Armando, i just discover your channel today, and its really amazing, i watch already some videos and you answer to many of my questions in your videos! Thank you so much! Great and extremely professional!
Maksym Zhygaltsov thanks for watching
i definitely like the colour on the Rokinon more! i'm sold!
Great video Armando!
Need Xeen in my life now... Thanks for that!
Wow thank you so much for this comparison. I think I'm gonna get the Zeen 3 lenses and then for less pro shoots use the Rokinon lenes. Sometimes you don't wanna draw to much attention to yourself on Guerilla shoots
videos related to the equipment and process of making videos is fantastic. more please! I really think you should discuss tour A7 rig
Nice video! However, the price kinda sold me on the Rokinon DS. I could barely tell the difference in the two looks ,but you did highlight several good points about the Xeen lenses.
Overall I like these type of videos.
Thanks for comparison. I had purchased a Xeen 35mm PL and was going to collect them. Decided to buy a EF adapter and get Cine-DS. I'll save the money and eventually get a set of Schneider Xenons. Thanks again for your video. 😎👊🎥
Which would I buy....I would buy the Arri 28mm T1.9 Anamorphic.
I bought a couple Rokinon lenses back in 2015 and I do love them but they are definitely soft when used with more modern 4k cameras. The real problem, however, is the focus breathing. Have to either work around that by not doing drastic focus changes while shooting, or just dealing with it.
Your correct when you say TH-cam will crush the differences.
Also, when you buy a Xeen, your buying it to use it wide open in 4k or 6k where the difference is really noticeable.
If your doing paid work, your client will be sooo impressed when you rock up with the Xeen lens.
Bit it’s worth mentioning that the Xeen has a 114mm front end and no filter thread, so you’ll need a pretty expensive mattebox and ND filter set. (I use polarpro’s basecamp Nd kit)
Great video Armando. Perfect rhythm, fun vibe and good comparison.
I mean it was pretty easy to figure out which was which with the rokinons nasty color shift at T16 and boke vs the Xeen. But I would have expected the consistency form the Xeen based on price, features, build quality , etc… but it is always nice to be happily surprised when cheaper lenses hit well above their weight.
Nice comparison. Thanks for doing the A/B thing, as I think it shows a lot how it's nearly impossible to tell without know which is which. I'd only want the Xeen lenses for bigger crews and if I needed to impress the client. Unfortunately, impressing the client can be a factor (and the big rig always works).
i purchased online the Rokinon 24mm, but when i got to the store to pick it up, i changed my mind and bought the XEEN, as it is the only pro cinema lens in my collection, and the most used at 24mm. So the store swapped out the cheaper lens and i went home with the XEEN, with a sense of great pride, hoping maybe it will inspire me to higher levels of film productions. The eleven blades vs the 8 blades was a selling feature, as well as the larger focus pull for more accurate focus and perhaps a more gentle pull accuracy at the stops. As for the higher weight, i use a Steadicam arm and vest, with the camera mounted on a gimbal, with the camera rig, battery, focus puller, matt box, lens and camera coming in at over 10lbs, a necessary must have for hours of filming. I am excited to try the new lens out, with an ability to handle 6K video and 13 stops of dynamic range, perhaps not much difference in the end user enjoyment, and rather greater performance ability of the photographer team.
Well done! Thank you for taking the time to shoot, edit and post your experience with the lenses. Very surprising! Be blessed in all your adventures - Frederick
this video is very helpful. I would want to see the images after they are color corrected to see if we can compensate for the Rokinon color
I think it's night and day, the Xeen is super clean. looks great. my friend has the rokinons, and I did a few test, and felt that they were really soft.
Nicely done and a reason I use vintage photo lenses often available for under $100 . My Canon FD 24mm F2.8 may not be PERFECT but at $30 its hard to beat. Rehousing is an option as well which would bring up the price of course.
Smoother 11 blade bokeh, Aluminium housing, longer focus ring throw, better coating (warmer and better colours), less focus breathing and a tad bit sharper. I worked with the Xeen series primes before and they are awesome.
great comparison test, definatly helping in my decision to buy the Xeen, to me consistency is very important and right now i own a Rokinon set that I avoid using at T1.5 as much as i can
I'm curious, did you color balance for each lens? The Xeen seems yellowish while the Rokinon looks magenta.
Having used both as a 1st AC I find that it is much easier to pull precise focus on the teens compared to the rokinons especially on complex camera moves such as dolly push ins.
Good review~! Especially with Cinema technologies changing in this very fast paced business. Yet, today I think it still come down to... "you get what you pay for"!
"Agreed, it does matter what your uses are and budget". Saying that, these results however shows that in today's film world it's certainly not necessarily to spend $100,000 USD for camera's, lenses, equipment, to produce the quality of a major motion picture.
Richard James Milne: I agree and especially with awesome improvements in color grading software (i.e., Davinci Resolve 14), in which most of the discussion within this particular video is about color difference.
Depends on the work definitely. If your doing professional level cinematic work where your getting paid then you really don't want to compromise if you can afford the xeen. Haven't seen the lenses personally but I'm quite sure the xeen lenses are going to be more consistent between lenses as well, which would save huge headaches on set and in post.
I'm surprised with the shot of BB-8. If you look at the left side of his head, the bluish chromatic aberration, there seemed to be less of it with the Rokinon. But that could have been the result of the focuses being slightly different.
dayum... great video Armando.... that Xeen lens is beautiful.... the Rokinon definitely held up well for the price
Ive used the zeen lens for high speed video. the SUPER LOW f stop is key for high speed!
my take away: at low F stops Xeen performs sharper, so Xeen if mostly looking for high depth of field low light situations
I wanted to get your advice on filming,,I have the cannon 70-200mm,, the EF 16-35mm, Lumix 35-100mm, SLR Magic 8mm f/4.0 Ultra Wide Angle Lens and Xeen 24 mm rokinon so if you were shooting videos or a movie how would you use them?
Aside from sharpness, with awesome improvements in color grading software (i.e., Davinci Resolve 14) the color difference in camera lenses can be adjusted.
After using the rokinons extensively I would recommend the Xeen if only for the build quality. Rokinons are not made for professional work and my 35 mm is falling apart basically. Will be investing into the XEEN line next.
What camera and lens did you use to shoot this video? very sharp!
I think that if you can pick up a Xeen lens for around 1K$, then you should do it. I managed to do that for 5 Xeen focal lengths.
I just purchased a Rokinon 35mm cine dsx lens and it's perfect for what i need. And for the record, the lens that i purchased was heavy and pretty sturdy.
You had me when you compared both to Honda and Acura. You're a savage for that.
It's crazy that this video is from 2016, but it's now viewable in 4k. That's why it pays to go the extra mile! Instead of settling for exporting & uploading videos in 1080p because that's all youtube allowed at the time. Now you get to reap the benefit of having your older videos enjoyed in all of their 4k glory!
A all the way. Totally saw the difference and called it right off the bat. Worth the extra IMO.
the whole time i thought lens B was the Xeen which and B looked better to me.
me 2
The Rokinon has a nice drop in clarity, and I feel is something good for black and white films, but the Xeen is much more organic. More true to the colors and whitebalance of the shot. This helps a ton, especially if you're dealing with harsh compression like most DSLR cameras.
Not many people would pair a Xeen with a DSLR, though (though not unheard of)
I've seen people use Canon Cine and Zeiss Primes on DSLRs...
@@MoronMonkeyPro They do now lol
Excellent video. I actually prefer the imperfections and lesser sharpness of the Rokinon.
Please do a test like this with Canon CINE primes vs there Photography primes!
Love my Rokinon DS but wouldn't mind upgrading to the Xeen as soon as its financially possible.
Hey Armando, you should consider getting a better/bigger 4k monitor. The differences between the lenses are glaring in pretty much all of your examples, both in color reproduction and sharpness. The Rokinon looked kind of soft in all of the examples, when compared to the Xeen lens. If you're not immediately seeing it, then you have a monitoring problem. That said, thank you for the comparison video. Those are very helpful!
For the iPhone, pause the video at 1:57, hold shift+right arrow, you'll go to 2:02 (or you can do it manually)
There you'll be easily able to see change in depth of the leaf
Great video btw :D
nice video. my take: choice of lens is dependant on the size of the screen, the production is intended for. case in point, Xeen would be the choice if the video is to be shown on a large home theater projection screen
The Xeen 24mm lens for EF mount is $1,495 on Amazon. Is this the same lens as in the video?
great review.
I could see the color difference and the clarity you helped my decision!!
the xeen green tint gives it away every time great review.....
@Armando Ferreeira, I really liked your comparison but I really wished that you had the lens caps off so that I could see the comparison of the sizes of the actual front element.
Great Video Armando!!! Defenitely Rokinon is better to my budget. Just a question ....did you rented the Xeen or did you buy it?
Very nice test. I think for storytelling, nobody cares about a slight difference in sharpness at the lower aperture settings..
awesome work :) love the composition and the flow of how you go through all the details :) cheers
I have a full set of the Cine DS lenses and do not have a single complaint. For the price you absolutely cannot go wrong.
I enjoyed this video, I'm getting into photography but these lens comparisons are great!
I love the way you compared them. The test is well done and accurate. I could personally tell which one is which from the very beginning. I love the color accuracy of the Xeen and I hate the chromatic aberrations that happen on the Rokinon. I shot a lot of things with Rokinon, and I like it, but I always noticed a lot of aberration and too much softness when wide open. I use Sigma photo lenses now, much sharper and accurate, but I hate that they can be too sharp in the areas of focus. The Xeen is definitely a nice set of lenses, and greatly priced for what they offer.
I enjoyed your review and thought the information and testing was very well done. I own a set of DS lenses with an EF mount from 14mm to 135mm and have been quite satisfied with them. Besides cost and build quality there is one other difference which has me looking at buying a set of Xeen lenses, a PL mount. The Rokinons are not offered in PL mount.
would a Sony fe pz 28-135mm f/4 be a better purchase?
I love this kinda tests. It always shows me how much I'm bullshitting mylelf. I owned a set of Samyangs (Rokinon) and sold it and am now proceeding to buy the kit again, one lens at a time. If you're an indie filmmaker / youtuber with a modest budget I think the cheapest of these two are pretty much a no-brainer. The footage I got out of them is just amazing.
Really enjoyed watching this one, great job!
Great comparison, keep them coming :)
I think the Xeen lets in slightly more light at the same settings.
The Rokinon sharpness is more than enough for video IMO, how about focus breathing? Thanks
Overall if money is not problem the Xeen looks more complete and the build quality its great.
The "normal" version is the best option for the money.
I'm curious if with the 85mm also happen the same or if its even a more closer match.
Great review.
Cheers.
Hi Armando, I wonder if you noticed that the Xeen has flickering, like a kind flicker of noise in the shot. Is that only on TH-cam? When I was looking at the test shots, I thought that A was Rokinon because of the noise and B was Xeen because it was flatter in color (which gives you more freedom when color grading) and because the noise was gone, so I thought better quality. Then you reveal that A is Xeen and B is Rokinon and I thought, well, I'm getting the Rokinon! Anyway, could you please tell me if you see the noise in the source files?
Good review. As with many things, achieving a relatively small increase in quality often requires a substantial difference in cost. There is no doubt the Xeen are the better lens, but I am glad the DS line exists. The Xeen is a great rental kit option.
What gave it away for me was the color, all the Rokinon shot had a kind of blueish cast that was kinda evident when you've just seen the correct one, the sharpness however was much harder to distinguish on a Full HD monitor.
The focus breathing on the Lens B gave it away for me.
HAHA focus breathing is with autofocus only friend....
Are you shooting these video by yourself? If so how are you focusing with manual lenses?