Thank you for the test! But I wonder 1) how about breathing when changing focus, 2) how are the flares? 3) how do they behave when closed at T16, for example?
Really like the Rokinons for the price you can get a set for. Between your comparisons and Film Jams channel you've helped inform my decisions this black friday season!
Thanks for this comparison! I'm nowhere near the point of springing for Canon lenses at this point, but it sure helps me to see that the Rokinon holds its own, especially for the more gritty industrial work that I'm doing.
Thanks for the comparison, however we know that the big difference between a good and expensive lens and a cheap one is in the breath, in fact especially on the 35mm the Rokinon is a 35mm with infinity focus, but at the minimum focus distance it becomes a 40 / 45mm, changes angle of view as focus distance changes For greater precision there are also no tests for backlight flare In any case, Rokinon lenses are a good compromise between quality and cost, as well as using vintage lenses such as nikon ai-s or Leica R, Minolta MD etc ..
My thought process was ..... get the Rokinon kit, if one breaks that means it's probably been used more than the other lenses and it's time to upgrade to a sturdier build. It's a great way to figure out your shooting style and the clients expectations with respect to that style.
Good idea. The Rokinon's definitely let you practice prime lens shooting with wide apertures, without having to break the bank. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Suprised the Rokinon 85mm has no color refraction (Or very little) the Canon you see a ton of Color Refraction in the Bokeh on it. I would chose the Rokinon in 85mm over the Canon personally based on this, but I'm sure there's better focus pulling, and aperture adjustments on the Canon lens.
Thanks for this video, I was really looking around for affordable cinema lenses for my Black magic 6k pro. I’m very impressed with the quality I can get from these rokinon lenses 😀🙌🏼
I love your content man, I'm so glad I found your channel a few months ago. You always seem to make videos about the exact things I have questions about
@@DeafDirector If you have a minute can I get your opinion? Do you think it would be smarter to get a set of 4 Rokinon Cine Primes or just one Canon RF lens (probably the 50 1.2L) ? Are the RF's really that much better to justify the price difference? I have a C70 and a R5, my business is both photo and video but these days the majority is video. I've been saving for some RF lenses but I already have most of the equivalent L series EF lenses for photography so I'm thinking it may be smarter to get a cine lens. . . unless the RF's are really that much better?
@@davinphelps1863 That's a tough call. I think it really depends on where you see using the lens for, because they have such vastly different personalities. The benefit of the RF is that it is a fantastic lens, that can utilize the autofocus of both the C70 and R5, which could be really important if you don't have a focus puller. I also think from a long term investment, it is obvious that Canon is all in on the RF mounts, and now you're seeing other companies (like the RED Komodo) adopt it, so that means any RF lenses you get will probably still be in your bag for over a decade or so. Speaking of long term investment, the Canon AF systems will only continue to improve with future cameras, so the RF 50 will be future proof, and still work great on new Canon cameras coming out years from now. The Rokinon lenses are great if you are shooting stuff that you feel requires a creamier, softer feel. They have a very distinct visual personality. Just remember, they are manual focus, and not nearly as physically robust as the RF. I really like using my Rokinon's on certain projects, but they are much more specialized and less versatile than my Canon glass. For instance, I never use my Rokinon's on photo shoots (only video), but the RF you could use for both. It's a tough choice, because they are so different. Good luck on the decision and have a great day!
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Have you seen the new DSX version of these Rokinon cine lenses? Do you know if the image quality and performance of the new ones are better than the older DS version?
Hey Cole, I have not gotten the chance to get a hold of the new DSX version of the Rokinons. All of these tests were done with the original version. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have a great day!
I did all the tests on the Canon R5 in 4kHQ. Hope you enjoy the lenses, I've ended up using mine on a number of different commercial projects and they've always got great results. If you have a Ronin or other types of follow focus system, you'll also love the geared focus rings! Thanks for the comment
Hey are you shooting this on your R5 with an adaptor? I'd be interesting to see what this looks like on a cine camera like a C500 M2 or any other EF mount camera for that matter, just to see what difference the body makes.
Thx a lot man! Im using Samyang (Rokinon 35 and 14mm) and its my favorite lenses. So cheap and good! In this comparison im most like the Rokinon style of picture! Its amazing lol, so big difference in price and so low in quality!
Hey Arkayn, Gaming, it is totally a typo, I missed that one before I published, so sorry. The 14mm does have a "non-cine" version that is missing the grooved rings that comes in at 2.8. This is actually the 14 I use, because the lens is so wide I often find that focus is not a problem (so I don't need the focus rings anyway) and I like getting that extra half stop of light. I'll put a link to it at the bottom of this reply, in case you want to look into it. Thanks so much for the comment. bhpho.to/3iqh0PE
Thanks for your very informative video. What I see is 1) the Rokinon has onion rings in the boke. 2) The Rokinon has better corner sharpness. 3) the Rokinon has less chromatic aberrations. 4) The canon has the edge on cleaner contrast. As far as I am concerned it's a no brainer, the Rokinon is the winner regardless of price. SO!!!!.... save the money and put it into more equipment or an upgrade in camera.
As you demonstrate in this video, the cheap Rokinon lenses hold up better than most people would have you believe. I agree with other commenters that the test should include focus breathing and flaring, but also understand that not everyone does rack focusing, nor shoot without a matte box to combat flares. One hallmark of the more expensive cine lenses is durability and consistency of color and contrast. Rokinons deviate in color and contrast, and their plastic build won't stand the test of time if abused. Lenses to cinematographers are much like microphones are to recording engineers. They all have inherent characteristics that are subjective, yet can be employed for creative effect. As someone who works on many low budget projects that don't have a budget to rent "proper" cinema lenses, I invested in a full set of Rokinon lenses. To date, no one has every complained, much less noticed, that I'm not using Cooke or Zeiss or....insert name of expensive glass. Sure, I'd love to work with better lenses, but until then the Rokinons have served me well. That said, I am saving up for a set of DZOfilm Vespid primes, as they are a more durable build, and have a character I prefer over the Rokinons. We live in a great time to invest in affordable filmmaking gear. Life is pretty dang good.
I have to admit, even though they are not as robust or technically perfect as some of the other cinema lenses I get to shoot with, I often find myself loving the character that my Rokinon's bring to a shot. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Hey Cine Format, I filmed a number of things with both lenses for some of my various commercial work. Let me get permission from my clients and I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the comment!
Video lens review in a non video environment. Focal breathing is far far more important on the cine lens than microscopical pixel peeping of the lens. Ghosting and flare control even more important. Nothing is covered what’s important for a filmmaker.
So these were the DS lenses, not the DSX? Apparently the football bokeh was fixed on the DSX. I'm renting a set in a couple weeks for my BMPCC 6K, to see what's what. Thanks for the comparison....that's solid info.
I'm sure Canon reached out and encouraged you to retake some of the VO segments as many were quite embarrassing for them. Great review nonetheless, but it feels like you softened your words a bit regardign the champ of prime glass.
Hello Bryan, I really enjoyed your channel. looking forward to more videos. So if you are just an amateur photographer then good way to start is to buy Rokinon. I am Looking to invest in a camera iI have always used Sony and confused between Sony FX6 vs canon C200. Any advise will be appreciated.
Hey Sohail, welcome to the Channel and great to hear from you! I would say that the Rokinon lenses should really be considered more for video work than for photography, just because they are fully manual focus, which is great for video, but you might want autofocus on a photo lens. As far as choosing between a Sony FX6 or a c200, if you are a long time Sony user then you would probably be better off with the FX6. The camera and specs are more up to speed with the rest of the industry (the c200 is a little old at this point) and since you have a background in Sony you may be more comfortable with the system you already know. If you really love Canon, I would consider researching the Canon C70, it has better updated specs than the C200 and it costs almost the same as the FX6. Thanks for the comment and good luck!
Awesome content I was reallly looking into XEEN for lenses with RF mount but that CINE DS looks just right! Man thanks for the inspiration you bring I created a power solution video for my R5 and gave you a shout out! keep those good videos coming! :D
So happy I could help! Really dug your videos comparing the GoPro8 and the DJI FPV footage. Looks like your channel is off to a great start. Have fun out there making your content and have a great day!
Hey Bernardo, unfortunately, because I most commonly use with EF, RF and PL mount cameras it has not made financial sense for me to invest in any MFT lenses. When I shoot with a MFT I usually use a Metabones adapter to access my glass. Therefore, I really haven’t had the chance to test out the MFT Cine lenses out there. Thanks for the comment and a great day!
I wonder why there are so many comments saying this video ist great? 1. All “cinema” T1.5 primes under 10 grand are rehoused photolenses. That’s a fact. (XEENs = Samyang, CN-E = L Series, Sigma Cine = Art Series) The Canons are starting to show their age as they are just the L Series Primes in a stupidly big housing (by todays standard). The PL mount is another selling argument. Canon ignored the mass of customers asking for a proper Cinema Mount (NO, EF is not a proper Cinema Mount, especially those without a tightening ring) 2. Pixelpeeping seems to be a photographer thing to do. When we preped shoots at panavision I’ve never seen a DP pixel peep. What matters is the feel, color reproduction (although can be corrected in post) and breathing characteristics. 3. The comparison is just pointless. A better one would have been XEENs vs CN-Es or Rokinon vs Canon L series. The optics comparison is just comparing photolenses, NOT cinema lenses.
I’m a newb to video but have been an audio engineer for almost 30 years and you’re right. My first thought was…”Why is he comparing the two. It’s like comparing a $4k Neumann U87 to a $300 MXL mic. With that much of a leap it’s obvious that there’s gonna be an insane difference. You get what you pay for. With that price gap.
Not really it's just color preference, and the canon has more CA, which is crazy for a 4k cine lens to have. Just buy roki cine and take 2 seconds color correcting.
Me, too. It’s totally subjective, but the Canon’s just have such a nice warm vibe to them. I was still super impressed with how well the Rokinon’s held their own, though. Thanks so much for the comment!
Thanks for the comment, BLC! There are definite differences between the lenses, but when I was doing the tests I was just impressed with the overall performance of the Rokinon vs the vastly more expensive Canon. The Canon's still come out on top, but I just wanted to show my viewers they could find some interesting alternatives if they did not have the money for full on Cine Lenses. Have a great day!
350$ dirt cheap.... mmmm.. I have cameras that cost less than that pretty much complete, used - but still.. You'd get a LOT of dirt for $350 so the expression doesn't work very well here. It's a qualified comparison, which means that it's not relative to "within lenses" but to actual dirt. I'm not a native English speaker, so I'd have a justification, you don't.
Thank you for the test! But I wonder 1) how about breathing when changing focus, 2) how are the flares? 3) how do they behave when closed at T16, for example?
Really like the Rokinons for the price you can get a set for. Between your comparisons and Film Jams channel you've helped inform my decisions this black friday season!
Thanks for this comparison! I'm nowhere near the point of springing for Canon lenses at this point, but it sure helps me to see that the Rokinon holds its own, especially for the more gritty industrial work that I'm doing.
Thanks for the comparison, however we know that the big difference between a good and expensive lens and a cheap one is in the breath, in fact especially on the 35mm the Rokinon is a 35mm with infinity focus, but at the minimum focus distance it becomes a 40 / 45mm, changes angle of view as focus distance changes
For greater precision there are also no tests for backlight flare
In any case, Rokinon lenses are a good compromise between quality and cost, as well as using vintage lenses such as nikon ai-s or Leica R, Minolta MD etc ..
Do you not like the rokinon35mm bc of that?
My thought process was ..... get the Rokinon kit, if one breaks that means it's probably been used more than the other lenses and it's time to upgrade to a sturdier build. It's a great way to figure out your shooting style and the clients expectations with respect to that style.
Good idea. The Rokinon's definitely let you practice prime lens shooting with wide apertures, without having to break the bank. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Great stuff! The comparisons are really helpful: especially how you presented so much detail 📽🎞🎬
Am I crazy to think the Rokinon micro contrast is better?
Suprised the Rokinon 85mm has no color refraction (Or very little) the Canon you see a ton of Color Refraction in the Bokeh on it. I would chose the Rokinon in 85mm over the Canon personally based on this, but I'm sure there's better focus pulling, and aperture adjustments on the Canon lens.
Amazing video! Please make more of these! If possible with the 7Artisans Cine! Incredible work!!!!!!!
No sir! Do NOT get me interested in MORE gear.
I know. Why am I watching this?? Agh. (Great comparison video btw).
I’m rollin with ROKINON ALL DAY EVERYDAY I own the 85mm f1.4 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for this video, I was really looking around for affordable cinema lenses for my Black magic 6k pro. I’m very impressed with the quality I can get from these rokinon lenses 😀🙌🏼
I've been using them for several years, and Im still impressed with the quality you get for such an affordable price. Have a great day!
I love your content man, I'm so glad I found your channel a few months ago. You always seem to make videos about the exact things I have questions about
Thanks, Davin! I appreciate you taking the time to check out my channel. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have a great day!
@@DeafDirector If you have a minute can I get your opinion? Do you think it would be smarter to get a set of 4 Rokinon Cine Primes or just one Canon RF lens (probably the 50 1.2L) ? Are the RF's really that much better to justify the price difference? I have a C70 and a R5, my business is both photo and video but these days the majority is video. I've been saving for some RF lenses but I already have most of the equivalent L series EF lenses for photography so I'm thinking it may be smarter to get a cine lens. . . unless the RF's are really that much better?
@@davinphelps1863 That's a tough call. I think it really depends on where you see using the lens for, because they have such vastly different personalities. The benefit of the RF is that it is a fantastic lens, that can utilize the autofocus of both the C70 and R5, which could be really important if you don't have a focus puller. I also think from a long term investment, it is obvious that Canon is all in on the RF mounts, and now you're seeing other companies (like the RED Komodo) adopt it, so that means any RF lenses you get will probably still be in your bag for over a decade or so. Speaking of long term investment, the Canon AF systems will only continue to improve with future cameras, so the RF 50 will be future proof, and still work great on new Canon cameras coming out years from now.
The Rokinon lenses are great if you are shooting stuff that you feel requires a creamier, softer feel. They have a very distinct visual personality. Just remember, they are manual focus, and not nearly as physically robust as the RF.
I really like using my Rokinon's on certain projects, but they are much more specialized and less versatile than my Canon glass. For instance, I never use my Rokinon's on photo shoots (only video), but the RF you could use for both.
It's a tough choice, because they are so different. Good luck on the decision and have a great day!
@@DeafDirector Thats some great insight, thank you!
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Have you seen the new DSX version of these Rokinon cine lenses? Do you know if the image quality and performance of the new ones are better than the older DS version?
Hey Cole, I have not gotten the chance to get a hold of the new DSX version of the Rokinons. All of these tests were done with the original version. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have a great day!
This is great. I just ordered my set of Rokinon DS lenses.
What camera did you shoot this test on?
I did all the tests on the Canon R5 in 4kHQ. Hope you enjoy the lenses, I've ended up using mine on a number of different commercial projects and they've always got great results. If you have a Ronin or other types of follow focus system, you'll also love the geared focus rings! Thanks for the comment
@Caden Adrien No... I don’t think I will.
Nice comparison! Thank you. One question, is the lens Rokinon cine ds UMC1, or UMC2?
Then you get a flare with the Rokinon lenses and everything will magically look magenta ahahah.
Great comparison Ryan!
Hey are you shooting this on your R5 with an adaptor? I'd be interesting to see what this looks like on a cine camera like a C500 M2 or any other EF mount camera for that matter, just to see what difference the body makes.
Thx a lot man! Im using Samyang (Rokinon 35 and 14mm) and its my favorite lenses. So cheap and good! In this comparison im most like the Rokinon style of picture! Its amazing lol, so big difference in price and so low in quality!
awesome presentation. I purchased the Rokinon Lens Kit
Awesome! I hope you enjoy shooting with them. Thanks for the comment.
@@DeafDirector How they do the job?
You're gonna drop that thing.
For a $3700 difference the Rokinon holds up pretty dang good. I would say rent the Canon Cine Lenses for each project.
I agree!. Have a great day!
For the "Rokinon Cine DS" Lenses would you need a follow focus for them? if so what would be a good one to look into?
Hi, great video! One question, I can only find the Rokinon 14mm lens with T3.1, not T1.5. Is the T1.5 a typo at 2:54 in the video?
Hey Arkayn, Gaming, it is totally a typo, I missed that one before I published, so sorry. The 14mm does have a "non-cine" version that is missing the grooved rings that comes in at 2.8. This is actually the 14 I use, because the lens is so wide I often find that focus is not a problem (so I don't need the focus rings anyway) and I like getting that extra half stop of light. I'll put a link to it at the bottom of this reply, in case you want to look into it. Thanks so much for the comment. bhpho.to/3iqh0PE
can i use this lens on a blackmagie pocket cinema 4k? and also with a speedbooster? Thanks
Was the Rokinon the version 1 or 2?
Thanks for your very informative video. What I see is 1) the Rokinon has onion rings in the boke. 2) The Rokinon has better corner sharpness. 3) the Rokinon has less chromatic aberrations. 4) The canon has the edge on cleaner contrast. As far as I am concerned it's a no brainer, the Rokinon is the winner regardless of price. SO!!!!.... save the money and put it into more equipment or an upgrade in camera.
excellent analysis, I have all the samyang lenses from this video
Grandioso video, saludos desde Guatemala!!
As you demonstrate in this video, the cheap Rokinon lenses hold up better than most people would have you believe. I agree with other commenters that the test should include focus breathing and flaring, but also understand that not everyone does rack focusing, nor shoot without a matte box to combat flares. One hallmark of the more expensive cine lenses is durability and consistency of color and contrast. Rokinons deviate in color and contrast, and their plastic build won't stand the test of time if abused.
Lenses to cinematographers are much like microphones are to recording engineers. They all have inherent characteristics that are subjective, yet can be employed for creative effect.
As someone who works on many low budget projects that don't have a budget to rent "proper" cinema lenses, I invested in a full set of Rokinon lenses. To date, no one has every complained, much less noticed, that I'm not using Cooke or Zeiss or....insert name of expensive glass. Sure, I'd love to work with better lenses, but until then the Rokinons have served me well. That said, I am saving up for a set of DZOfilm Vespid primes, as they are a more durable build, and have a character I prefer over the Rokinons.
We live in a great time to invest in affordable filmmaking gear. Life is pretty dang good.
I have to admit, even though they are not as robust or technically perfect as some of the other cinema lenses I get to shoot with, I often find myself loving the character that my Rokinon's bring to a shot. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
Bro! Thanks for this video and for representing the hearing impaired. Many blessings!
Thanks so much! Encouragement is always appreciated, have a great day!
Is it possible to share with some footage filmed in canon vs rokinon lenses? And do you planning to make more content about rokinon lenses? thanks
Hey Cine Format, I filmed a number of things with both lenses for some of my various commercial work. Let me get permission from my clients and I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the comment!
Video lens review in a non video environment. Focal breathing is far far more important on the cine lens than microscopical pixel peeping of the lens. Ghosting and flare control even more important. Nothing is covered what’s important for a filmmaker.
facts
So these were the DS lenses, not the DSX? Apparently the football bokeh was fixed on the DSX. I'm renting a set in a couple weeks for my BMPCC 6K, to see what's what.
Thanks for the comparison....that's solid info.
How did the DSX perform?
: OUTSTANDING info commentary :
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I'm sure Canon reached out and encouraged you to retake some of the VO segments as many were quite embarrassing for them. Great review nonetheless, but it feels like you softened your words a bit regardign the champ of prime glass.
Hello Bryan, I really enjoyed your channel. looking forward to more videos. So if you are just an amateur photographer then good way to start is to buy Rokinon. I am Looking to invest in a camera iI have always used Sony and confused between Sony FX6 vs canon C200. Any advise will be appreciated.
Hey Sohail, welcome to the Channel and great to hear from you! I would say that the Rokinon lenses should really be considered more for video work than for photography, just because they are fully manual focus, which is great for video, but you might want autofocus on a photo lens. As far as choosing between a Sony FX6 or a c200, if you are a long time Sony user then you would probably be better off with the FX6. The camera and specs are more up to speed with the rest of the industry (the c200 is a little old at this point) and since you have a background in Sony you may be more comfortable with the system you already know. If you really love Canon, I would consider researching the Canon C70, it has better updated specs than the C200 and it costs almost the same as the FX6. Thanks for the comment and good luck!
@@DeafDirector Thanks Bryan
I have a set 14 24 35 50 85 100 135mm I would love to get the 10mm ❤❤❤
which is the advantage of a 114mm focus ring in the Canon CN-E?
For a $3,500 savings... Rokinon wins in the price category for me.
Gracias
or even the Meikes vs the cn-e cannons??
Awesome content I was reallly looking into XEEN for lenses with RF mount but that CINE DS looks just right!
Man thanks for the inspiration you bring I created a power solution video for my R5 and gave you a shout out! keep those good videos coming! :D
So happy I could help! Really dug your videos comparing the GoPro8 and the DJI FPV footage. Looks like your channel is off to a great start. Have fun out there making your content and have a great day!
hi there, have you compared the DSX rokinons vs the cine meikes?? (all MFT)
Hey Bernardo, unfortunately, because I most commonly use with EF, RF and PL mount cameras it has not made financial sense for me to invest in any MFT lenses. When I shoot with a MFT I usually use a Metabones adapter to access my glass. Therefore, I really haven’t had the chance to test out the MFT Cine lenses out there. Thanks for the comment and a great day!
well done Rokinon
Amazing how well the Rokinon holds up against such an overpriced canon cine lens.
dam 10x the price for a 2 percent difference
The Rokinons look nice but that bokeh eh...
I wonder why there are so many comments saying this video ist great? 1. All “cinema” T1.5 primes under 10 grand are rehoused photolenses. That’s a fact. (XEENs = Samyang, CN-E = L Series, Sigma Cine = Art Series) The Canons are starting to show their age as they are just the L Series Primes in a stupidly big housing (by todays standard). The PL mount is another selling argument. Canon ignored the mass of customers asking for a proper Cinema Mount (NO, EF is not a proper Cinema Mount, especially those without a tightening ring) 2. Pixelpeeping seems to be a photographer thing to do. When we preped shoots at panavision I’ve never seen a DP pixel peep. What matters is the feel, color reproduction (although can be corrected in post) and breathing characteristics. 3. The comparison is just pointless. A better one would have been XEENs vs CN-Es or Rokinon vs Canon L series. The optics comparison is just comparing photolenses, NOT cinema lenses.
Forgot to mention the Vista Primes but I think y’all get what I mean
I’m a newb to video but have been an audio engineer for almost 30 years and you’re right. My first thought was…”Why is he comparing the two. It’s like comparing a $4k Neumann U87 to a $300 MXL mic. With that much of a leap it’s obvious that there’s gonna be an insane difference. You get what you pay for. With that price gap.
no question...to my eye the Canon destroys the rokinon..and it should. NOW...without the side by side, the Roki is freekin great🤙😎🤙
Not really it's just color preference, and the canon has more CA, which is crazy for a 4k cine lens to have. Just buy roki cine and take 2 seconds color correcting.
Wow...
I prefer the look of The canon
Me, too. It’s totally subjective, but the Canon’s just have such a nice warm vibe to them. I was still super impressed with how well the Rokinon’s held their own, though. Thanks so much for the comment!
cn-e 는 최대개방에서 색수차가 꽤 많네요.
The rokinon's bokeh balls are very dirty.
Thanks for the comment, BLC! There are definite differences between the lenses, but when I was doing the tests I was just impressed with the overall performance of the Rokinon vs the vastly more expensive Canon. The Canon's still come out on top, but I just wanted to show my viewers they could find some interesting alternatives if they did not have the money for full on Cine Lenses. Have a great day!
considering these lenses are for video not photo, nobody's looking at the balls!
350$ dirt cheap.... mmmm.. I have cameras that cost less than that pretty much complete, used - but still.. You'd get a LOT of dirt for $350 so the expression doesn't work very well here. It's a qualified comparison, which means that it's not relative to "within lenses" but to actual dirt. I'm not a native English speaker, so I'd have a justification, you don't.
This comment...is so silly. And literal