Yes what a collection of saw,s they never get tired looking at so many different versions , makes , thank you for showing and explaining the engineering on these gem,s .
Old chainsaws had some unique features, both good and bad, which makes collecting and using them interesting. Thanks for the nice comment and for watching.
I was ok with someone else owning the saws and letting me look, till you got to the 70s craftsman. I want it. Great collection and great presentation, your methodical pace and light wit make for a good watch.
I took my mantis and aerated the front yard with it. I do not have the aerator tines. I just walked it across the yard at part throttle. It is a lot better than punching holes in the yard with one of those hole stompers or driving a pitch fork in it to loosen the soil. I am going to do the rest of the yard, tomorrow and finish up tilling my garden before we get all that rain from the Gulf hurricane. I will wait until afterwards to plant it. Don’t want the rain to wash the seeds away. My Mantis started in one pull. If I could just remember to push the choke off. 😢
I have one of those Ropers but mine is orange. I really enjoy seeing how the chainsaws evolved and all the different ideas from the early manufacturers.
My first saw was the last one that you featured, only it was blue, it had the oil adjustment ,and power sharp. I never used it,or run that lousy chain. I got it at a yard sale for five dollars. I was eleven years old. Used it until I was about eighteen. Cut wood to burn and for sale with my dad ,and uncle. I had done a base gasket delete, which on that saw is a little harder to do. It finally scored the cylinder. I had it turned up way above it's limit and it was about eighty degrees on an early fall day. I've got two of them now. I love those old saws. May put another one together this fall. I know where on is that has the Barker brand on it. All of mine except one were torque monsters. The only one I hot rodded was the first one. I had a red one that was my primary saw for fifteen years. It finally shook itself apart.
The scary part is I remember using that 50’s David Bradley. Seems like I remember twigs getting in drive sprocket and throwing chain off? Thanks for the memories.
Great stuff. I finished restoring a super 33 , took 3 parts saws to complete. Just need some 1/2” pintail to complete the project. It’s a piece of artwork to me! I have a model 47 on deck to be done, it’s pretty far gone but so was the 33. Should be fun
I have thought about it from time to time, but have not made any real effort to repair it. Time will tell. I don't believe that 3/4" chainsaw chain has been available for a long time. Lucky for me that the chain on the Disston is in real good condition. The saw will be a long term project.
Vintage chainsaws are definitely interesting, and cool. The cost to build a saw like your DL100 must have been high. It would be interesting to know how many of the Disston were made, and what a new one cost back in the day. I did hear that Disston was caught with a large inventory of 2 man saws when McCulloch came out with the 3-25 one man, and were in financial ruin because of it. Companies spied and copied each other as saw development took many turns with weird designs in the 50's especially. Companies failed because their new design was obsolete before it could be sold. Your DL100 Disston is really cool, and probably was one of them. I think it's pretty rare. At least I haven't seen one in the wild.
The Disston DO 100 was an expensive saw to build due to the complexity of the design, many cast parts, and unusual layout. Disston-Mercury had a free hand during WW-2 building the complex and expensive 2 man saws for the government. The same strategy for the consumer market after the war was a failure. It would be interesting to find out how much these saws sold for and how many were produced, but that would be tough to find out. Chainsaw technology was on a fast track after WW-2, with many designs coming out in short order. A very interesting time in the post war economy.
Totally agree with you. If you missed the boat on your design, the expense was such, that companies were washed up. The obsolete aspect of a brand new saw was real. It all makes for good chainsaw collecting, which has caught on too.@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
My grandfather had a chainsaw - it was then called an axe. If he wanted a tree cut down he just got one of his workers to cut it down. If he wanted wood for the wood stove or heater he just went to the pulp wood mill and bought a truck load of slabs and cut them up with his circular buck saw that connected to his Johnny A via a belt. Nit you guessed grandPa didn’t do the cutting, you are right. Captain Jack did not do very much of the manual labor unless he could do it from the back of his horse.
Nice run through on the old saws. I was looking at Kioritz just like the Craftsman you show. The guy said it had spark, but would not run. Good saw to tinker with?
The early Kioritz saws are very well built and have some real nice features. The drawback is that there are virtually no parts available for them. So if it can be had for free or cheap, I would recommend getting it. If it is not complete or repairable, it will be a nice display item.
Another good vid Sir !! i like Your humor !! i have come up with a Homelite super Wiz 66 , which i know nothin about , my question is will the chain turn without it running ? this one i cant move it , i know its gear drive , any help would be appreciated !! Thanks
Your saw does have a clutch, so either the clutch is frozen, the gear drive is frozen, or the chain needs to be freed up. Thanks for the nice comment and for watching.
Thank You Sir i havent tried real hard , it was running the Man told me , i swapped a Coleman stove for it , I need to check it out , been so hot here in East Texas , i have'nt messed with it or anything else , lately !! Thanks again Sir , i appreciate the knowledge !!Take Care !!@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
I do not know of a direct source for piston rings for the Sears saw. The engine is a Power Products AH series engine, so if you can determine what engine your saw has, I can look up the part number and you can search EBAY for some new old stock ones. The other way is to measure the bore and ring width and get some rings from someone like Flywheel Supply. If the rings have notches in the ends for locating pins, they would have to be filed so they would work.
The chains on many early saws is very difficult to find, as they have been out of production for a long time. Sometimes it is easier to find another saw to get a useable chain.
That’s weird. I’m bet it weighs 50#. I had one gear reduction saw - a Poulan, as I remember. I have seen them before but never used one. My gear reduction saw had a transmission that you filled with 30W. I will bet sharpening that saw saw was an ever ending process. I have my fathers meat saw - it is arm power. All early saws were heavy and had big displacements. Have you got those boat anchors running, yet?
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I got my Mantis tiller going. Had a lot to learn about it but it is running. It has a presence button on it that fooled me but that was it. My Chinese carb works fine. It fled up fine from the first pull. I am going to replace the throttle cable but that’s it. I bought my daughter a brand new one for her birthday present. It will be here tomorrow. Got her a 7924 easy start, two cycle. Ought to be light enough for hr to start and carry around. I saw what you meant about the air filter - it sucks. Anything has to be better than it. Got to clean up the tines and put them back on. They re caked with clay. You ought to check your gear case. I filled mine with E P Moly.
Your daughter is very lucky to have such a generous dad! When I got my Mantis, I checked it out completely. It is an extremely low hour tiller, but I checked it out totally. I rebuilt the carb, replaced fuel lines and cleaned out the gearcase and filled it with Lubriplate #105, and made a foam air filter for it. Has been a great tool to have on the homestead, even though it isn't vintage.
I eventually get the early saws in operation, but I have around 20 saws that I use all the time and they all need to be serviced, and I have tractors, tillers, string trimmers, outboard motors etc. that all need my attention. Since the real early saws are not going to be used on a regular basis, they kinda get shuffled to the back of the line, but eventually get put back in operation if possible.
The saw is too big to be a 44cc saw. My JD 40 v is very small by comparison. The bore on the 44cc saw is 42mm, and the bore on this saw is 50mm, which is the correct bore size for the 70cc saw. It is a rather unusual saw. It has fair torque, but not a lot of HP. The bar and chain are the ones that were on it when I inherited it, and would do better with a shorter bar, but with the long bar, I don't have to bend over much. I just don't cut bigger wood with it. Works well doing that.
Acres is where I am getting my info from, and they say it is a 1.65 in bore (42mm) and 2.69 cu in. Although, the Echo 701 is 70 cc, so maybe your Craftsman is a version of that and Acres is getting tear info mixed up. @@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
Acres website is a real asset to the chainsaw collectors community, but I have found mistakes in it from time to time. He has corrected some mistakes, when other collectors have given him the correct info. Again,he has done a great job on the site and it benefits us all.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 A lot of older saws were CI ( cubic inches ) not CC . I have a few that are CI so I have to do the conversion to figure out the CC . I've got one of those Craftsman but it's solid orange kinda same color as a echo and it's like new still has all the paint and paper on the bar , I don't think it's ever cut wood . I just did a carb clean and it fire right up . I picked it up at a estate sale out in the Sticks for hardly nothing . I haven't cut with it and I ain't gonna because the bar is new .
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Politicians- that goes without saying. I have a brother that is the same way, so they are easy for me to pick out. I am a 32nd degree Mason and my brother could not even get close to a Masonic Hall due to all the debris thrown his way. I have been married to the same girl for almost 53 years and he has had four wives, none of which he was faithful to. Both of my daughters are college graduates and none of his children are. I am a disabled Vietnam veteran and he is a 4-F. He was born on the same day as Bill Clinton. Need I say more?
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 My 13 year old Mantis 7225 is now working fine. Got the throttle cable lengthened, today. I am going to till my winter garden, tomorrow and plant it Saturday, temperatures permitting. It is just to damn hot to work outside, today, 95 degrees, global warming I suspect some will say.
I am getting ready to do a bunch of work with the Mantis, getting the garden ready for fall too. The global alarmists are all saying that the planet is the hottest in history. They forget to mention that when the Egyptian empire was at its peak, the planet was a lot hotter than it is now, and the world population survived.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 they forget the Millennium Warm Period, too (1,000-1350). Figures don’t lie, but liars don’t figure. They also do not know their history, either. Warm periods, due to the increased output of the sun, are usually followed by a cold age. The Little Ice Age (1350-1800) followed the warm period. Just imagine, our ancestors founded this country during one of the coldest periods. They were a hardy lot. Half the original Pilgrims died that first winter, but they carried on. I had ancestors at Plymouth and Jamestown. The one thing I do know is they kept moving South after their initial settlements. Their sojourn seems to have abruptly ended about 1800. I wonder why! I will bet they would have loved a Mantis.
The crazy thing about vintage chainsaws is that the chain brake started only in 70's.
Nice show fella. I bet the men of old had to have a real nice breakfast to be able to handle the huge saws.
You got that right!
Great collection
I would like to see those old saws cutting wood
They will eventually be put back in operation, one at a time.
Yes what a collection of saw,s they never get tired looking at so many different versions , makes , thank you for showing and explaining the engineering on these gem,s .
You bet
Vintage Tuesday 😀😊😀 Love That Disston Saw Mr Obsolete 😮😀
The Disston has a lot of unusual features, and is quite the interesting old hog !
Some beautiful old chainsaws. Thanks for sharing Mr Obsolete. Great video 👍🤙
Old chainsaws had some unique features, both good and bad, which makes collecting and using them interesting. Thanks for the nice comment and for watching.
I was ok with someone else owning the saws and letting me look, till you got to the 70s craftsman. I want it. Great collection and great presentation, your methodical pace and light wit make for a good watch.
Thank you so much for the nice comment and for watching.
Love the old saws very awesome hearin em run work n cut.
Good stuff as always! I bet it would be so cool to take a tour of all your vintage stuff!
Those are awesome, thanks for sharing! Makes the L77 I just picked up look very modern!
The early saws definately have some weird and unusual designs .
I took my mantis and aerated the front yard with it. I do not have the aerator tines. I just walked it across the yard at part throttle. It is a lot better than punching holes in the yard with one of those hole stompers or driving a pitch fork in it to loosen the soil. I am going to do the rest of the yard, tomorrow and finish up tilling my garden before we get all that rain from the Gulf hurricane. I will wait until afterwards to plant it. Don’t want the rain to wash the seeds away. My Mantis started in one pull. If I could just remember to push the choke off. 😢
Handy little rascals !
I have one of those Ropers but mine is orange. I really enjoy seeing how the chainsaws evolved and all the different ideas from the early manufacturers.
Collecting and operating vintage saws is a fun and interesting hobby. Always enjoy your comments.
I've never seen anyone do a better job
Thanks for the really nice comment and for watching !
Awesome video thank you for the video
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the history lesson. Looking forward to more chainsaw content.
Coming son !
Great 👍 Presentation of the old saws 😊
We really like to have and operate vintage chainsaws. Collecting and also using the saws has been a rewarding, yet useful hobby. Thanks for watching.
My first saw was the last one that you featured, only it was blue, it had the oil adjustment ,and power sharp. I never used it,or run that lousy chain. I got it at a yard sale for five dollars. I was eleven years old. Used it until I was about eighteen. Cut wood to burn and for sale with my dad ,and uncle. I had done a base gasket delete, which on that saw is a little harder to do. It finally scored the cylinder. I had it turned up way above it's limit and it was about eighty degrees on an early fall day. I've got two of them now. I love those old saws. May put another one together this fall. I know where on is that has the Barker brand on it. All of mine except one were torque monsters. The only one I hot rodded was the first one. I had a red one that was my primary saw for fifteen years. It finally shook itself apart.
Fun history. The power sharp was a total failure, but about a year ago it was re-introduced. The Ropers were very good saws.
I just picked up one of those Wright power saws exactly the same as you have there! Quite a conversation piece.
They are !
Nice Chainsaws
Greetings from Germany
PIT
Howdy ! We like our old saws for sure.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156I believe you....
The scary part is I remember using that 50’s David Bradley. Seems like I remember twigs getting in drive sprocket and throwing chain off? Thanks for the memories.
Neat bit of history. Thanks for watching.
Great stuff. I finished restoring a super 33 , took 3 parts saws to complete. Just need some 1/2” pintail to complete the project. It’s a piece of artwork to me! I have a model 47 on deck to be done, it’s pretty far gone but so was the 33. Should be fun
Those are a couple of nice projects. They are Mac's that you don't see that often.
I hope you rebuild that old Craftsman you’s bought for your dad.
I really should. It is in excellent condition except for the scored bore.
I've got an old B520 just like that one. I also used to have the Wright chainsaw. It got stolen. You forgot to mention the shut off on the bladed saw.
Wright's were unusual for sure, and the shut off feature was a strange innovation.
Love learning about the old saws. Is the 3/4" chain still available? Do you have plans to repair your Dad's saw?
I have thought about it from time to time, but have not made any real effort to repair it. Time will tell. I don't believe that 3/4" chainsaw chain has been available for a long time. Lucky for me that the chain on the Disston is in real good condition. The saw will be a long term project.
Vintage chainsaws are definitely interesting, and cool. The cost to build a saw like your DL100 must have been high. It would be interesting to know how many of the Disston were made, and what a new one cost back in the day.
I did hear that Disston was caught with a large inventory of 2 man saws when McCulloch came out with the 3-25 one man, and were in financial ruin because of it. Companies spied and copied each other as saw development took many turns with weird designs in the 50's especially. Companies failed because their new design was obsolete before it could be sold. Your DL100 Disston is really cool, and probably was one of them. I think it's pretty rare. At least I haven't seen one in the wild.
The Disston DO 100 was an expensive saw to build due to the complexity of the design, many cast parts, and unusual layout. Disston-Mercury had a free hand during WW-2 building the complex and expensive 2 man saws for the government. The same strategy for the consumer market after the war was a failure. It would be interesting to find out how much these saws sold for and how many were produced, but that would be tough to find out. Chainsaw technology was on a fast track after WW-2, with many designs coming out in short order. A very interesting time in the post war economy.
Totally agree with you. If you missed the boat on your design, the expense was such, that companies were washed up. The obsolete aspect of a brand new saw was real. It all makes for good chainsaw collecting, which has caught on too.@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
Yes it has.
My grandfather had a chainsaw - it was then called an axe. If he wanted a tree cut down he just got one of his workers to cut it down. If he wanted wood for the wood stove or heater he just went to the pulp wood mill and bought a truck load of slabs and cut them up with his circular buck saw that connected to his Johnny A via a belt. Nit you guessed grandPa didn’t do the cutting, you are right. Captain Jack did not do very much of the manual labor unless he could do it from the back of his horse.
Looks like he had things figured out !
Nice run through on the old saws. I was looking at Kioritz just like the Craftsman you show. The guy said it had spark, but would not run. Good saw to tinker with?
The early Kioritz saws are very well built and have some real nice features. The drawback is that there are virtually no parts available for them. So if it can be had for free or cheap, I would recommend getting it. If it is not complete or repairable, it will be a nice display item.
That's what I thought. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it. @@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
You bet.
Another good vid Sir !! i like Your humor !! i have come up with a Homelite super Wiz 66 , which i know nothin about , my question is will the chain turn without it running ? this one i cant move it , i know its gear drive , any help would be appreciated !! Thanks
Your saw does have a clutch, so either the clutch is frozen, the gear drive is frozen, or the chain needs to be freed up. Thanks for the nice comment and for watching.
Thank You Sir i havent tried real hard , it was running the Man told me , i swapped a Coleman stove for it , I need to check it out , been so hot here in East Texas , i have'nt messed with it or anything else , lately !! Thanks again Sir , i appreciate the knowledge !!Take Care !!@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
Glad to share info when we can.
I do appreciate it too !!@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
Do you know where I could find a set of two piston rings for that David Bradley 758G?
I do not know of a direct source for piston rings for the Sears saw. The engine is a Power Products AH series engine, so if you can determine what engine your saw has, I can look up the part number and you can search EBAY for some new old stock ones. The other way is to measure the bore and ring width and get some rings from someone like Flywheel Supply. If the rings have notches in the ends for locating pins, they would have to be filed so they would work.
I have a David Bradley that runs well but the 7/16 chain is used up. Here in Ohio I can't find any chain without a saw connected to it.
The chains on many early saws is very difficult to find, as they have been out of production for a long time. Sometimes it is easier to find another saw to get a useable chain.
That’s weird. I’m bet it weighs 50#. I had one gear reduction saw - a Poulan, as I remember. I have seen them before but never used one. My gear reduction saw had a transmission that you filled with 30W. I will bet sharpening that saw saw was an ever ending process. I have my fathers meat saw - it is arm power. All early saws were heavy and had big displacements. Have you got those boat anchors running, yet?
I have some of the early saws running, but to go completely through them to get them in proper operating condition.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I got my Mantis tiller going. Had a lot to learn about it but it is running. It has a presence button on it that fooled me but that was it. My Chinese carb works fine. It fled up fine from the first pull. I am going to replace the throttle cable but that’s it. I bought my daughter a brand new one for her birthday present. It will be here tomorrow. Got her a 7924 easy start, two cycle. Ought to be light enough for hr to start and carry around. I saw what you meant about the air filter - it sucks. Anything has to be better than it. Got to clean up the tines and put them back on. They re caked with clay. You ought to check your gear case. I filled mine with E
P Moly.
Your daughter is very lucky to have such a generous dad! When I got my Mantis, I checked it out completely. It is an extremely low hour tiller, but I checked it out totally. I rebuilt the carb, replaced fuel lines and cleaned out the gearcase and filled it with Lubriplate #105, and made a foam air filter for it. Has been a great tool to have on the homestead, even though it isn't vintage.
I eventually get the early saws in operation, but I have around 20 saws that I use all the time and they all need to be serviced, and I have tractors, tillers, string trimmers, outboard motors etc. that all need my attention. Since the real early saws are not going to be used on a regular basis, they kinda get shuffled to the back of the line, but eventually get put back in operation if possible.
The Craftsman/echo is a nice saw. But it is 44 cc, not 70.
The saw is too big to be a 44cc saw. My JD 40 v is very small by comparison. The bore on the 44cc saw is 42mm, and the bore on this saw is 50mm, which is the correct bore size for the 70cc saw. It is a rather unusual saw. It has fair torque, but not a lot of HP. The bar and chain are the ones that were on it when I inherited it, and would do better with a shorter bar, but with the long bar, I don't have to bend over much. I just don't cut bigger wood with it. Works well doing that.
Acres is where I am getting my info from, and they say it is a 1.65 in bore (42mm) and 2.69 cu in. Although, the Echo 701 is 70 cc, so maybe your Craftsman is a version of that and Acres is getting tear info mixed up. @@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156
Acres website is a real asset to the chainsaw collectors community, but I have found mistakes in it from time to time. He has corrected some mistakes, when other collectors have given him the correct info. Again,he has done a great job on the site and it benefits us all.
Something I just found out. The 4.3 on the decal represents the displacement. The actual displacement is 4.31 cubic inches, which is 70.7 cc's.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 A lot of older saws were CI ( cubic inches ) not CC . I have a few that are CI so I have to do the conversion to figure out the CC . I've got one of those Craftsman but it's solid orange kinda same color as a echo and it's like new still has all the paint and paper on the bar , I don't think it's ever cut wood . I just did a carb clean and it fire right up . I picked it up at a estate sale out in the Sticks for hardly nothing . I haven't cut with it and I ain't gonna because the bar is new .
Do you know how to tell if marketing types or salesman are lying - their lips will be moving. That’s a dead give away!
You forgot to mention politicians !
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Politicians- that goes without saying. I have a brother that is the same way, so they are easy for me to pick out. I am a 32nd degree Mason and my brother could not even get close to a Masonic Hall due to all the debris thrown his way. I have been married to the same girl for almost 53 years and he has had four wives, none of which he was faithful to. Both of my daughters are college graduates and none of his children are. I am a disabled Vietnam veteran and he is a 4-F. He was born on the same day as Bill Clinton. Need I say more?
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 My 13 year old Mantis 7225 is now working fine. Got the throttle cable lengthened, today. I am going to till my winter garden, tomorrow and plant it Saturday, temperatures permitting. It is just to damn hot to work outside, today, 95 degrees, global warming I suspect some will say.
I am getting ready to do a bunch of work with the Mantis, getting the garden ready for fall too. The global alarmists are all saying that the planet is the hottest in history. They forget to mention that when the Egyptian empire was at its peak, the planet was a lot hotter than it is now, and the world population survived.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 they forget the Millennium Warm Period, too (1,000-1350). Figures don’t lie, but liars don’t figure. They also do not know their history, either. Warm periods, due to the increased output of the sun, are usually followed by a cold age. The Little Ice Age (1350-1800) followed the warm period. Just imagine, our ancestors founded this country during one of the coldest periods. They were a hardy lot. Half the original Pilgrims died that first winter, but they carried on. I had ancestors at Plymouth and Jamestown. The one thing I do know is they kept moving South after their initial settlements. Their sojourn seems to have abruptly ended about 1800. I wonder why! I will bet they would have loved a Mantis.