I always love people who’ve never done speedrunning saying that glitched runs - or speedrunning in general - “disrespects the game”. Like, my man, these people _love_ this game and put more time into figuring out all of its little quirks than you ever would just playing casually.
And what most people that says that using glitchs are cheating have no ideia how difficult is to perform most of the glitches. The speedrunner has way more knowlage and skill compared to any of those people
@barutaji I used to do some portal speedruns and that's part of what I enjoyed about Portal speedrunning. There's different categories for almost different "levels" of glitches (4 levels going from out of bounds to glitchless). I'd also played the game properly 5 times before I started speedrunning it and a most of the runners know all of the Portal lore even if it's not even remotely necessary to speedrun it.
funnily enough, in hungry knight (a game jam game where hollow knight sort of originated from) you get three masks that are all monomon masks even in-game you can see an archway at the room transition from the first crossroads room to the black egg temple that has three monomon masks lol
I think people who think "glitches are cheating" don't understand how game code works or how rules work. In a "no glitches" run, glitches are breaking the rules, and are thus considered cheating. In a "glitches" category run, it is not cheating. Being able to creatively exploit glitches in the code and game, especially for such a well-bolstered game like hk, is very very impressive. Glitches aren't inherently bad, they're just an unintended way of playing the game
this makes so much sense, you're so right. It's not cheating if those are the literal allowed guidelines. Are you playing the game as intended? No obviously not. But these people have clearly played it as intended COUNTLESS times to know even half of what they do. There's no disrespect at all, only love and passion.
@@rachelflora8511 Also, sometimes it IS intended, as in Tunic. Even though the devs couldn't predict how, they deliberately designed the game to be extremely breakable
I kind of miss the times when the final boss strat was to load THK into a room at Crystal Peak and let it kill itself on the spikes, that was the peak Any%AG for me... but this NG+ method might just make the category more popular than it ever was
@@AshenDust_ Second coolest, for my money. For me, nothing tops ConstructiveCynicism's TAS Uumuu strat of juggling a dead Uuma for 30 seconds so you can detonate it to kill Uumuu on its first frame of vulnerability.
I agree, both that I think this will bring more people to this category and I think that that's great and also that I love watching THK die in Crystal Peak and I always will
Someone who should also get some credit is SpringSylvi, who did a ton of the routing of the dupe, and was one of the first to get a leaderboard run with the room dupe route!
i really think it deserves to be mentioned that prior to the competition with ghmms in any%ag, ghmms was a major revolution in teag due to the noclip + starting with voidheart. it took a little while (ie many many months of teag being the most popular glitched category) for us to realize this was optimal for any%ag as well (the result of us discrovering dream gate noclip which allowed us to keep noclip for the whole run instead of losing it after monomon) and any% was basically a dead category during that time, while we were making major revolutions in the ghmms route through everyone running teag (also, you should still run agag 🥺)
@@Spiney09 ag = all glitches any%ag = any% all glitches teag = true ending all glitches ghmms (or gmms) = godhome/godseeker main menu storage (informally nicknamed "garfield storage" by the community) agag = all grubs all glitches, the unequivocally best speedrunning category
@@Blomsom It’s hilarious seeing you say that about all grubs, as I came to this vid straight from a Fireborn reaction to a speedrun where he says saving even the deepnest grub is a mistake. I’m with you on this one though.
I find All Glitches speedrun categories absolutely fascinating, as a tale of how dedicated fans of a game will scour it for broken lines of code and exploit them until the game is nearly unrecognizable from its base. Plus they're just cool as shit to watch.
Well said. it's like.. basically a hacking competition, in a way? I think the people that don't get runs like this are trying to look at it through the lens of a sporting competition instead of a more intellectual competition, causing them to not really "get" what the point is.
@@idontwantahandlethough No, they're viewing it as less than a sporting competition. In a game of Football, there are rules about what you can and can't do, and strategies will revolve around optimizing and exploiting the fringes of those rules and exploit the penalty system. If people don't like a strategy, they change the rules, like adding a shot clock to Basket Ball to avoid camping. These rules changes are why there are like, 10 different sports named Football. They used to be the same game, but the different communities made different rules and penalties that changed how it was played in their region. The rules of sports change so the game stays interesting. The rules of sports change in ways that make it break off into multiple different sports, just how there are over a dozen different leaderboards for OoT speedruns. And really, what they call cheating, is equivalent to someone who tried out boxing in middle school getting angry that an MMA fighter is allowed to kick because "anything goes" goes against the tenants of martial arts.
13:43 As someone who has watched the entire Mario 64 ABC Challenge series I LOVE in depth glitch and game mechanic analysis. I’ve been waiting for so long for someone to do a video about AG so thank you for doing this!
It's the best part! I love it lol, it's almost like a whole new field of science. There are speedrun "researchers" now.. how neat is that?! I just love seeing people collaborating and working together on figuring this stuff out (even if it is technically kinda pointless.. sometimes the best things in life *are* pointless🤷♂)
I finally understand room dupes due to this video. I had a basic understanding before (connected at bottom left, oldest room deloads, etc), but that clip about how movement works was what made me finally get it
genuinely all major glitches runs are some of the most enjoyable speedruns to watch, especially when you have an outside perspective, literally at any point in time there is something just stupid going on that does not make sense even if you have played the game before
Yeah, I've watched a lot of glitched runs for various other games like Portal and the Halo series, and it's just fascinating. You watch these guys work and it's just like... "What the fuck just happened? What am I even looking at?" It's mind-bending almost like a scene out of Inception or Dr. Strange and I absolutely love it.
thanks for the vid Blue!! I love watching glitched runs but had trouble understanding how transitions work and what new route is. Glitched runs really deserve more explanation videos like this aimed for casual players, so that more people can enjoy watching them. Glitches (and speedrun strats in general) are fascinating
I think that Glitchless speed runs are more fun to watch, mainly because you can see the skill and relate it to your own. While any% runs are so far above that you don't realize the skill involved to get the any%. I will say that history of any% videos are usually my go to as a first watch. I want to hear the story of how one person found something that monumentally changed how the speed run was done and how it went further than that.
Love the vid as always Blue! Hope you're doing well. Even got a sensible chuckle from the "Wonderer's Journal" joke. Anyone who didn't laugh must live in Egypt since they are in denial of a good joke!
Any% guide Start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk
Hollow Knight is a game that takes around 20 hours to beat casually, 30 minutes in a no-glitch speedrun, and 5 minutes with glitches. That's how you know you've made a replayable, speedrunnable game.
Someone: _angry wall of text about glitches being cheating_ BlueSR: damn that's crazy 😂 Like, thanks for the algorithmic engagement, I guess? I don't understand some people.
I've heard it called "gray rocking," a technique for dealing with someone trying to get a rise out of you by responding with bland dispassion until they get bored and scuttle away.
I'm always in awe of how crazy the speedrun community is. The runs just keep getting faster and faster. Some of these glitches would need to be frame perfect. The dedication.
I'm sure the NPC in game saw these speed runners as godlike entity that teleporting everywhere and beating everything in blitz speed. This entity even understand the pattern of the rainfall and doesnt get wet. All of those while doing weird stuff and moves erratically. Crazy magic.
as a glitch hunter myself (for death's door) this is really nice to see c: while not as huge, it was not that long ago a couple of "simple but effective" glitches were found, and I can say with confidence that it's one of the best feelings to get a new tool in the toolbox (especially after stagnation, idk if that was the case here but ye)
If folk think all glitch runs are 'low skill' as the comment you flashed on screen showed, I'd be fascinated to see them try. I may not get much out of _watching_ all glitch runs, but they're usually one of the more fascinating categories to hear about, along with low% runs, and I have intense respect for the amount of skill required for them.
Tbh at first I was also like "Oh, glitches... That kind of sounds like cheating." But this video made me do a 180 on that. This stuff is so complicated! How do people even find this? And *understand* this? Definitely a new-found respect for glitch speedrunners.
I think its worth mentioning that when you open your inventory with bench storage while not cdqshing or going through a transition, you cant control your character until you take damage
Yesss I’ve been so excited for this video since you’ve mentioned it on stream! I always thought this was one of the coolest categories but it’s super underapprecated and I’m so glad it’s getting some recognition!
"Cheating" is really only a word that makes sense when two parties are involved. One party cheats, the other gets cheated. If All Glitches speedruns are cheating, that raises the question... who are the people getting cheated, exactly? And what are they getting cheated out of? I think it ultimately really comes down to the people saying things like that feeling cheated themselves. But that's just a feeling without anything rational to back it up. If you think these runs don't truly "finish" the game, so what? They're playing by a different definition that doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest. And if you think they're not really playing the same game anymore, who cares? This is the way they enjoy playing it, so it's just as valid as any other. So, what's left is just a negative feeling without any reason at all? Well... I think what they're _actually_ angry about is that those runs aren't _relatable._ They're watching content about a game they like because they want to relate to it. So when that expectation isn't met, because the runner plays the game in a way that's entirely alien to them, they feel this way without knowing why, and jump to the explanation that they think is most likely: "They're not playing by the game's rules! Breaking the rules is cheating, and cheating is bad! That's why I don't like this!" This kind of post-hoc justification gives rise to toxicity, and it occurs when people don't want to take the time to look inward and see where those feelings are actually coming from. Though, in time, a justification like that can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They dislike something, because they think they should, because they dislike something similar. In the end, this is doing nothing but ruining other people's fun. Tearing people down like that doesn't make you a paragon of virtue. So if you're someone who's seriously calling speedrunners cheaters because they don't play the game in a way you have personally decided you like... give it up already. You're not contributing a single thing to the conversation, and you're actively making the community a worse place. Stop being angry at people for no reason, and go do something fun or productive instead.
His 2:10 description of a regular any% is the complete flipped version of what ive done in my first playthrough lol. The watcher nights where last, and the dream nail was after c dash.
Thumbs up for those Hollow Knight Dad Jokes. Never played the game, never watched anything around it really, but you were recommended to me and I'm here for the puns and the fascinating storytelling.
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
Imo Glitches contribute to some of the most fascinating runs in gaming. Wether it be a speedrun or challenge run, sometimes to push the limits of a game you need to break it, and that's part of the fun.
It is pretty cool. Another great speedrun: Ocarina of Time, maybe the most impressive one. For me even the non major glitches category uses glitches too much and I myself prefer 112% speedrun (steel soul of course) and hitless Pantheon for HK but I have nothing against any category as long as everyone who participates plays with the same rules. As long as you enjoy it it is all good and I definitely recommend every Hollow Knight player to finish the pantheons and beat every boss in the HalL of Gods hitless.
People play the game for different reasons of interest and that is so cool guys! I personally love speedrunning but major glitch runs doesn't interest me but it is still impressive!
I always loved this game for how fun, cool, and the ability to express yourself through your own game play. But I never thought that breaking the game would make me love it even more than I already do. This video made my love for this game swell and I'm glad I clicked on this video.
Hi Blue! I don't know if you remember me, but I love your streams and your vids, and I see you grinding to put out content, even when you have school. I am inspired by you, and I hope to see more videos coming out soon. Keep up the good work!
Cool, now I can say I completely don't understand something that until 20 minutes ago I never heard of. Very interesting topic, maybe next you could do a video on how speedrunners beat Hollow Knight in under 5 minutes. I do believe that the only people that understood this video were already speedrunners that already knew all this stuff.
What is and isn't cheating depends of course on the rule set. There could be a rule set where some mods are allowed, but normaly using mods is cheating. It's just that for me if someone doesn't specify the rules, glitches are by default cheating. Like if someone made a video "Beating [a challange] with no cheats" and then revealed halfway trough that they are going to use glitches I would feel lied to (but still impressed). If they state it at the beggining of the video, it's fine. If someone asked me "Is it's possible to beat HK under 20 minutes?" I would answer "No". But if they asked me "Is it possible to beat HK under 20 minutes with glitches allowed?" then I would say "Yes". If you are using glitches in your speedrun then for me it's not a "Hollow Knight speedrun" but a "Hollow Knight glitched speedrun", but still just as impressive (if not more). Same goes for TASes. By default - cheating. If you say it's a TAS - fine, and very impressive. Btw I feel the same about using old versions, because it's not "the true version". But as long as you state that you are using an old version, it's okay.
Completely agree. I don't think it's fair to call it "how Hollow Knight was beat under 5 mins" becouse I could be deceiving to someone who thinks it's done without glitches.
3:59 once in my speed completion run i must've accidentally performed some frame perfect jump in greenpath (the room behind massive moss charger specifically) because i jumped out of acid dashed into the room to the left and came out of the transition in a state of swimming haven't been able to replicate it ever since
I don't really enjoy 'heavily' glitched runs, not because they're "cheating," but because they feel just too far removed from my understanding of the game. I literally don't understand what's going on. When I see people pulling off cool strats in NMG, they feel like something I can do, as if I'm learning something about the game that improves my ability to play it better. Because glitch tricks are often more difficult or add weird visuals to the screen, they feel more out of reach, and I lose some interest because it feels like I couldn't pull them off or they'd basically be me wildly flailing around (in the case of things like Back in Time or Main menu storage type glitches). And at the end of the day, I like seeing the game get played. I'll check out the super glitched speedruns if they're up at GDQ, or summaries like these, but in general these types of runs don't have nearly the same degree of lasting engagement/enjoyment for me, where I want to see a runner make multiple attempts or want to see how other runners go through the game. Also depends on game length for me. A glitched speedrun that takes 5 minutes doesn't feel that engaging to me personally. But a 30+ minute NMG run or 1.5 hour TE run has time to breathe, have a runner delve into mechanics as they slowly unveil the game, and pull off a mix of smaller and bigger skips or optimizations that I feel like I can try out myself or otherwise learn from. For the same reason, I don't really find most NG+ RPG speedruns of games on a low difficulty setting that engaging. There are still strategies in play, obviously. But when most of the combat complexity is removed/just a bit too far divorced from how normal players experience, it feels like I'm not getting anything out of watching the run, even if the times are significantly faster. I'm not learning strategies that actually make me approach the game differently if I were to restart it and approach it with fresh eyes. Glitch speedruns are still valid, obviously, not saying that they're not or that people shouldn't be able to play the game the way they like.
It's not blue without a healthy(?) dose of joke explanations huh Great video (otherwise)! Finally got the chance to watch it - I've been missing blue content, and i absolutely loved it. And it's lovely to see this category getting some exposure
Ohhhh another video to listen to while I fight 2.0. Thanks mate :D Edit: Your starting jokes made me lose a really good run from laughter how could you 😭.
"Main menu storage lets you merge saves, even bringing progression between saves" So you're sort of merging timelines in a way Or... Merging universes What I'm trying to say, is that to talk about main menu storage, we'll have to talk about parallel universes
With room storage and main menu storage, these people don’t need to have the same level of control or understanding of Hollow Knight’s movement. Things like QGA and other famous skips are useless to them, so they don’t need to spend hours getting good at them. Instead, they need to understand how the game code works on the smallest level, and risk breaking everything in order to figure out how to use and abuse every quirk of the code in order to beat their best times. It takes a level of technical knowledge that I don’t even begin to comprehend. These times are insane, good on them!
I have gotten main menu storage accidentally so many times (or almost, I've never been in-game with the menu, but I've had two menus at once) and still, as of starting this video, I have no idea how it's even done Edit: Now I kinda understand, and it makes sense I did it accidentally, I play on controller, and for some reason my first A press whenever I go to the main menu counts as a B press or something like that because it opens the "would you like to quit" option thing, and since I mash the button every time I leave, I immediately click the quit game option and un-select it whenever I leave, which makes me accidentally open 2 main menus (or at least that was what I got from the explanation)
I think what is really going on with the "glitches are cheating" crowd is something more like "glitch runs are inherently less interesting to me and so I don't consider them [as] valid." Its not really my thing either, but I took the time to think about why. (it's not important to my point, but those interested it's because, to me, it feels like the game is sanitized of its character in favour of mechanical minutia). Taking the time to figure that out, it's easy to see that the glitched runners are just enjoying the game differently, and that's ok. It may not be my cuppa, but it's increasing the joy in the world and that seems like a good thing.
So, where's mossbag to explain the lore implication behind all these glitches? I want a full documentary, complete with how the Pale King managed to hide all these 'secret passages' from the eyes of the common folk.
I think I found a skip that could be used in speed runs if you vengeful spirit and open the map immediately after you can start to fall slowly until you get hit.
I actually forgot to explain this in the video haha. Good Question! The answer is actually that Dreamer rooms don't really get unloaded in the same way as other scenes in the game. Because of this you can stack them infinitely i think
@@BlueSR This isn't quite right, what actually happens is that on the latest patch, when you go through a boss scene, an additional room is added to the dupe, corresponding to the boss itself. We go through FK room enough times to have 5 rooms when we show up at Monomon!
Was hoping you'd show the entire pathing of the run on the big map so we can see how ridiculous the 'actual' in-world pathing is (since you already sorta show some bits of it)
A couple runs that I had seen in this category featured the room storage trick but stored a Crystal Peaks room to instantly kill THK by loading him into spikes. Is this route now out of favor or just suboptimal because you have to take the time to go get that room?
The reason we don't do this is because you can only do that trick on old patches (on 1.2 it already doesn't work, not sure about earlier patches). There were ideas of speedkilling thk using room dupes on current patch, but those were quite cursed.
people complaining about glitches in speedruns is wild to me, if you was to tell someone to cross the road as fast as they can and they just cross the road tell them it doesnt count because they didnt use the crossing its the same thing to me if that makes sense. yes NMG tends to be more popular to the general masses because they've played the whole game and most of the time NMG will go through the whole of the game and you get to see how talented the player is. but with glitches its amazing to see runners doing these insane glitches and breaking the games apart its wild to see and entertaining, how people can bitch about it is insane
Calling it now, they're going to find out how to break into the Black Egg Temple early and then it becomes a fight for who can kill Hollow Knight the fastest.
That's incredibly unlikely a skip like that would require some crazy new discoveries, but coders have already probably found if a skip like that is possible
A speedrunner I watch a lot likes to do hollow knight challenges, and they always seemed to be on some hollow knight new game + mode... now I know how they do it. I saw someone call hollow knight glitches black magic and just... they're so beautiful. I love this game and all the ways it can be broken.
If you think that people saying "glitched is cheating" is annoying wait until you hear of "speedrunning is taking value from video games" Yeah, some people genuinely believe this
one of my favorite parts of the anniversary stream i believe it was they did a few years ago was the all glitches speedrun where they just spawn a room to kill the hollow knight LOL
I was goofing around in 2021 and my rooms randomly duped, i think it was in a modded game with a multiplayer randomiser, but still, i think it was on the latest patch at the time. I didnt think much of it, because it was kind of annoying and i had to restart, and because i didnt believe that nobody else has seen this glitch before
I think it’s easy to forget that any% with glitches are not TAS but an actual person playing on a regular computer. It just always seems so bizarre and non-vanilla that it looks like cheating.
Does anyone know if @BlueSR has stopped streaming on twitch or is he taking a break? I haven't seen him live for like 3-4 weeks or something. Hope everything is alright!
I just now realized I’ve been accidentally doing MMS during my playthrough and just being annoyed at having to quit to get rid of the menu… man I’m stupid
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I remember seeing my first any% ag run I understood nothing but now after I saw many glitched runs I still dont understand anything sadly
Same
Aye it's the guy from silksong news
@@flopdeop135 exactly my friend
Glitches are wild tbh
@@flopdeop135 I was just about to say that
I always love people who’ve never done speedrunning saying that glitched runs - or speedrunning in general - “disrespects the game”. Like, my man, these people _love_ this game and put more time into figuring out all of its little quirks than you ever would just playing casually.
And what most people that says that using glitchs are cheating have no ideia how difficult is to perform most of the glitches. The speedrunner has way more knowlage and skill compared to any of those people
@@BeeHammer14 😀😀
@@BeeHammer14 *knowledge
@barutaji I used to do some portal speedruns and that's part of what I enjoyed about Portal speedrunning. There's different categories for almost different "levels" of glitches (4 levels going from out of bounds to glitchless). I'd also played the game properly 5 times before I started speedrunning it and a most of the runners know all of the Portal lore even if it's not even remotely necessary to speedrun it.
The speedrunners are definitely better at the game in general than the people making the comments
The game be like "Okay, so you got all the Dreamers: Monomon the Teacher, Monomon the Watcher, and Monomon the Beast".
funnily enough, in hungry knight (a game jam game where hollow knight sort of originated from) you get three masks that are all monomon masks
even in-game you can see an archway at the room transition from the first crossroads room to the black egg temple that has three monomon masks lol
@@poisonedmaple6874 And as we all know, Hungry Knight is canonically what the Knight was up to before returning to Hallownest.
@@wta1518 fr?
I think people who think "glitches are cheating" don't understand how game code works or how rules work. In a "no glitches" run, glitches are breaking the rules, and are thus considered cheating. In a "glitches" category run, it is not cheating. Being able to creatively exploit glitches in the code and game, especially for such a well-bolstered game like hk, is very very impressive. Glitches aren't inherently bad, they're just an unintended way of playing the game
On top of that glitches are freaking hard to do sometimes ranging from easy to frame perfect
those people should just watch nmg speedruns. or attempt ag speedruns themselves and see how hard it is
exactly
this makes so much sense, you're so right. It's not cheating if those are the literal allowed guidelines. Are you playing the game as intended? No obviously not. But these people have clearly played it as intended COUNTLESS times to know even half of what they do. There's no disrespect at all, only love and passion.
@@rachelflora8511 Also, sometimes it IS intended, as in Tunic. Even though the devs couldn't predict how, they deliberately designed the game to be extremely breakable
I kind of miss the times when the final boss strat was to load THK into a room at Crystal Peak and let it kill itself on the spikes, that was the peak Any%AG for me... but this NG+ method might just make the category more popular than it ever was
Yea,that’s like the coolest way to kill a boss ever
@@AshenDust_ Second coolest, for my money. For me, nothing tops ConstructiveCynicism's TAS Uumuu strat of juggling a dead Uuma for 30 seconds so you can detonate it to kill Uumuu on its first frame of vulnerability.
I agree, both that I think this will bring more people to this category and I think that that's great and also that I love watching THK die in Crystal Peak and I always will
Someone who should also get some credit is SpringSylvi, who did a ton of the routing of the dupe, and was one of the first to get a leaderboard run with the room dupe route!
Whoa it's you
i really think it deserves to be mentioned that prior to the competition with ghmms in any%ag, ghmms was a major revolution in teag due to the noclip + starting with voidheart. it took a little while (ie many many months of teag being the most popular glitched category) for us to realize this was optimal for any%ag as well (the result of us discrovering dream gate noclip which allowed us to keep noclip for the whole run instead of losing it after monomon) and any% was basically a dead category during that time, while we were making major revolutions in the ghmms route through everyone running teag
(also, you should still run agag 🥺)
All Grubs All Glitches All Grubs All Glitches yippee yippee!
What the heck do half of these acronyms mean???
@@Spiney09 ag = all glitches
any%ag = any% all glitches
teag = true ending all glitches
ghmms (or gmms) = godhome/godseeker main menu storage (informally nicknamed "garfield storage" by the community)
agag = all grubs all glitches, the unequivocally best speedrunning category
@@Blomsom It’s hilarious seeing you say that about all grubs, as I came to this vid straight from a Fireborn reaction to a speedrun where he says saving even the deepnest grub is a mistake. I’m with you on this one though.
I find All Glitches speedrun categories absolutely fascinating, as a tale of how dedicated fans of a game will scour it for broken lines of code and exploit them until the game is nearly unrecognizable from its base.
Plus they're just cool as shit to watch.
Well said. it's like.. basically a hacking competition, in a way? I think the people that don't get runs like this are trying to look at it through the lens of a sporting competition instead of a more intellectual competition, causing them to not really "get" what the point is.
@@idontwantahandlethough No, they're viewing it as less than a sporting competition.
In a game of Football, there are rules about what you can and can't do, and strategies will revolve around optimizing and exploiting the fringes of those rules and exploit the penalty system.
If people don't like a strategy, they change the rules, like adding a shot clock to Basket Ball to avoid camping.
These rules changes are why there are like, 10 different sports named Football. They used to be the same game, but the different communities made different rules and penalties that changed how it was played in their region.
The rules of sports change so the game stays interesting. The rules of sports change in ways that make it break off into multiple different sports, just how there are over a dozen different leaderboards for OoT speedruns.
And really, what they call cheating, is equivalent to someone who tried out boxing in middle school getting angry that an MMA fighter is allowed to kick because "anything goes" goes against the tenants of martial arts.
13:43 As someone who has watched the entire Mario 64 ABC Challenge series I LOVE in depth glitch and game mechanic analysis. I’ve been waiting for so long for someone to do a video about AG so thank you for doing this!
Same
It's the best part! I love it lol, it's almost like a whole new field of science. There are speedrun "researchers" now.. how neat is that?! I just love seeing people collaborating and working together on figuring this stuff out (even if it is technically kinda pointless.. sometimes the best things in life *are* pointless🤷♂)
So glad to finally see this coming out! I’m glad folks have been able to make use of the silly glitches I found/helped find ❤
Community hero :3
I finally understand room dupes due to this video. I had a basic understanding before (connected at bottom left, oldest room deloads, etc), but that clip about how movement works was what made me finally get it
genuinely all major glitches runs are some of the most enjoyable speedruns to watch, especially when you have an outside perspective, literally at any point in time there is something just stupid going on that does not make sense even if you have played the game before
Yeah, I've watched a lot of glitched runs for various other games like Portal and the Halo series, and it's just fascinating. You watch these guys work and it's just like... "What the fuck just happened? What am I even looking at?" It's mind-bending almost like a scene out of Inception or Dr. Strange and I absolutely love it.
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FR Bouldy is awesome
thanks for the vid Blue!! I love watching glitched runs but had trouble understanding how transitions work and what new route is. Glitched runs really deserve more explanation videos like this aimed for casual players, so that more people can enjoy watching them. Glitches (and speedrun strats in general) are fascinating
this video was so well put together
really good script, editing, easy to understand
best hollow knight channel ive seen
"Glitched speedruns are cheating" is like saying that all basketball players are cheating because soccer doesn't let you use your hands
I think that Glitchless speed runs are more fun to watch, mainly because you can see the skill and relate it to your own. While any% runs are so far above that you don't realize the skill involved to get the any%. I will say that history of any% videos are usually my go to as a first watch. I want to hear the story of how one person found something that monumentally changed how the speed run was done and how it went further than that.
Love the vid as always Blue! Hope you're doing well. Even got a sensible chuckle from the "Wonderer's Journal" joke. Anyone who didn't laugh must live in Egypt since they are in denial of a good joke!
I almost laughed.. but then I realized its "Wanderer's Journal" and not Wonderer's Journal. 🙃
Any% guide
Start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk
Watching glitched runs (and TASs too) is always insane to me. Love this game, love this community, love Blue, thanks so much for making this vid
Blue Vid! Blue Vid! Blue Vid! GOOD CONTENT!!! and well scripted with regards to what to talk about and at what point
yeah
Its insane how much time Garfield saves from the run.
Hollow Knight is a game that takes around 20 hours to beat casually, 30 minutes in a no-glitch speedrun, and 5 minutes with glitches. That's how you know you've made a replayable, speedrunnable game.
Someone: _angry wall of text about glitches being cheating_
BlueSR: damn that's crazy
😂 Like, thanks for the algorithmic engagement, I guess? I don't understand some people.
I've heard it called "gray rocking," a technique for dealing with someone trying to get a rise out of you by responding with bland dispassion until they get bored and scuttle away.
I love glitches, like seeing the different ways you can break a game and see the crazy stuff, love it
12:05 "Sir, a second discovery has hit the all glitches sppedrun"
You do not sound like you're in highschool in this, actually threw me for a loop
Thanks for another great vid! You always pick interesting topics for these. Appreciate you!
Great video whole way through, congrats Blue😄
I'm always in awe of how crazy the speedrun community is.
The runs just keep getting faster and faster.
Some of these glitches would need to be frame perfect.
The dedication.
I'm sure the NPC in game saw these speed runners as godlike entity that teleporting everywhere and beating everything in blitz speed. This entity even understand the pattern of the rainfall and doesnt get wet. All of those while doing weird stuff and moves erratically.
Crazy magic.
as a glitch hunter myself (for death's door) this is really nice to see c: while not as huge, it was not that long ago a couple of "simple but effective" glitches were found, and I can say with confidence that it's one of the best feelings to get a new tool in the toolbox (especially after stagnation, idk if that was the case here but ye)
0:13 what kinda crystal peak black egg
That Megamind no glitches joke definetly made me love the video
If folk think all glitch runs are 'low skill' as the comment you flashed on screen showed, I'd be fascinated to see them try.
I may not get much out of _watching_ all glitch runs, but they're usually one of the more fascinating categories to hear about, along with low% runs, and I have intense respect for the amount of skill required for them.
I liked the wonderers journal joke :)
The dude speedran the game faster than my PC could boot up
Lol
Tbh at first I was also like "Oh, glitches... That kind of sounds like cheating." But this video made me do a 180 on that. This stuff is so complicated! How do people even find this? And *understand* this? Definitely a new-found respect for glitch speedrunners.
I think its worth mentioning that when you open your inventory with bench storage while not cdqshing or going through a transition, you cant control your character until you take damage
The speedrun uses a fury build and equips charms under THK not only to just damage tank but also to regain control
@@flapflapp Actually, it's just for damage tanking! THK's scream ending would return control anyway
@@fivebrane6531 didnt know never got that far into a run xD
Yesss I’ve been so excited for this video since you’ve mentioned it on stream!
I always thought this was one of the coolest categories but it’s super underapprecated and I’m so glad it’s getting some recognition!
Great vid blue ! As someone who was never interested in glitched speedruns, this was very clear and cool
"Cheating" is really only a word that makes sense when two parties are involved. One party cheats, the other gets cheated. If All Glitches speedruns are cheating, that raises the question... who are the people getting cheated, exactly? And what are they getting cheated out of?
I think it ultimately really comes down to the people saying things like that feeling cheated themselves. But that's just a feeling without anything rational to back it up. If you think these runs don't truly "finish" the game, so what? They're playing by a different definition that doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest. And if you think they're not really playing the same game anymore, who cares? This is the way they enjoy playing it, so it's just as valid as any other.
So, what's left is just a negative feeling without any reason at all? Well... I think what they're _actually_ angry about is that those runs aren't _relatable._ They're watching content about a game they like because they want to relate to it. So when that expectation isn't met, because the runner plays the game in a way that's entirely alien to them, they feel this way without knowing why, and jump to the explanation that they think is most likely: "They're not playing by the game's rules! Breaking the rules is cheating, and cheating is bad! That's why I don't like this!"
This kind of post-hoc justification gives rise to toxicity, and it occurs when people don't want to take the time to look inward and see where those feelings are actually coming from. Though, in time, a justification like that can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They dislike something, because they think they should, because they dislike something similar.
In the end, this is doing nothing but ruining other people's fun. Tearing people down like that doesn't make you a paragon of virtue. So if you're someone who's seriously calling speedrunners cheaters because they don't play the game in a way you have personally decided you like... give it up already. You're not contributing a single thing to the conversation, and you're actively making the community a worse place. Stop being angry at people for no reason, and go do something fun or productive instead.
most based comment i have seen this week, thank you good sir/mam(I hate using these lol can't I just use they?)
Player: About to kill THK and finish the game.
Game: Wow, they really find this bench comfortable!
His 2:10 description of a regular any% is the complete flipped version of what ive done in my first playthrough lol. The watcher nights where last, and the dream nail was after c dash.
Thumbs up for those Hollow Knight Dad Jokes. Never played the game, never watched anything around it really, but you were recommended to me and I'm here for the puns and the fascinating storytelling.
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
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wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
wow😨 I can't believe 😱anyone😱 would use 😞glitches😞 don't you know 👉glitching👈 is 😠cheating😤and cheating is 🤢wrong🤢 you should play the game the way the 😇developers intended😇 I am 🙁disappointed🙁 in the speedrunning😫 community😫 for allowing such 🤢disgusting🤢 acts to take place
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Imo Glitches contribute to some of the most fascinating runs in gaming. Wether it be a speedrun or challenge run, sometimes to push the limits of a game you need to break it, and that's part of the fun.
It is pretty cool. Another great speedrun: Ocarina of Time, maybe the most impressive one. For me even the non major glitches category uses glitches too much and I myself prefer 112% speedrun (steel soul of course) and hitless Pantheon for HK but I have nothing against any category as long as everyone who participates plays with the same rules. As long as you enjoy it it is all good and I definitely recommend every Hollow Knight player to finish the pantheons and beat every boss in the HalL of Gods hitless.
Im glad you made a video clearing this up. I watched a glitch speedrun cause i was curious and I was like what is even happening
All glitches tas reaction video in potential future bluesr?
People play the game for different reasons of interest and that is so cool guys! I personally love speedrunning but major glitch runs doesn't interest me but it is still impressive!
I always loved this game for how fun, cool, and the ability to express yourself through your own game play. But I never thought that breaking the game would make me love it even more than I already do. This video made my love for this game swell and I'm glad I clicked on this video.
I always wondered why it said any% no major glitches…
Hi Blue! I don't know if you remember me, but I love your streams and your vids, and I see you grinding to put out content, even when you have school. I am inspired by you, and I hope to see more videos coming out soon. Keep up the good work!
Cool, now I can say I completely don't understand something that until 20 minutes ago I never heard of. Very interesting topic, maybe next you could do a video on how speedrunners beat Hollow Knight in under 5 minutes. I do believe that the only people that understood this video were already speedrunners that already knew all this stuff.
That Gorb impression was so spot on❤️❤️❤️
What is and isn't cheating depends of course on the rule set. There could be a rule set where some mods are allowed, but normaly using mods is cheating. It's just that for me if someone doesn't specify the rules, glitches are by default cheating. Like if someone made a video "Beating [a challange] with no cheats" and then revealed halfway trough that they are going to use glitches I would feel lied to (but still impressed). If they state it at the beggining of the video, it's fine. If someone asked me "Is it's possible to beat HK under 20 minutes?" I would answer "No". But if they asked me "Is it possible to beat HK under 20 minutes with glitches allowed?" then I would say "Yes". If you are using glitches in your speedrun then for me it's not a "Hollow Knight speedrun" but a "Hollow Knight glitched speedrun", but still just as impressive (if not more). Same goes for TASes. By default - cheating. If you say it's a TAS - fine, and very impressive.
Btw I feel the same about using old versions, because it's not "the true version". But as long as you state that you are using an old version, it's okay.
Completely agree. I don't think it's fair to call it "how Hollow Knight was beat under 5 mins" becouse I could be deceiving to someone who thinks it's done without glitches.
3:59 once in my speed completion run i must've accidentally performed some frame perfect jump in greenpath (the room behind massive moss charger specifically) because i jumped out of acid dashed into the room to the left and came out of the transition in a state of swimming
haven't been able to replicate it ever since
I don't really enjoy 'heavily' glitched runs, not because they're "cheating," but because they feel just too far removed from my understanding of the game. I literally don't understand what's going on. When I see people pulling off cool strats in NMG, they feel like something I can do, as if I'm learning something about the game that improves my ability to play it better. Because glitch tricks are often more difficult or add weird visuals to the screen, they feel more out of reach, and I lose some interest because it feels like I couldn't pull them off or they'd basically be me wildly flailing around (in the case of things like Back in Time or Main menu storage type glitches). And at the end of the day, I like seeing the game get played. I'll check out the super glitched speedruns if they're up at GDQ, or summaries like these, but in general these types of runs don't have nearly the same degree of lasting engagement/enjoyment for me, where I want to see a runner make multiple attempts or want to see how other runners go through the game.
Also depends on game length for me. A glitched speedrun that takes 5 minutes doesn't feel that engaging to me personally. But a 30+ minute NMG run or 1.5 hour TE run has time to breathe, have a runner delve into mechanics as they slowly unveil the game, and pull off a mix of smaller and bigger skips or optimizations that I feel like I can try out myself or otherwise learn from.
For the same reason, I don't really find most NG+ RPG speedruns of games on a low difficulty setting that engaging. There are still strategies in play, obviously. But when most of the combat complexity is removed/just a bit too far divorced from how normal players experience, it feels like I'm not getting anything out of watching the run, even if the times are significantly faster. I'm not learning strategies that actually make me approach the game differently if I were to restart it and approach it with fresh eyes.
Glitch speedruns are still valid, obviously, not saying that they're not or that people shouldn't be able to play the game the way they like.
It's not blue without a healthy(?) dose of joke explanations huh
Great video (otherwise)! Finally got the chance to watch it - I've been missing blue content, and i absolutely loved it. And it's lovely to see this category getting some exposure
Ohhhh another video to listen to while I fight 2.0. Thanks mate :D
Edit: Your starting jokes made me lose a really good run from laughter how could you 😭.
"Main menu storage lets you merge saves, even bringing progression between saves" So you're sort of merging timelines in a way
Or... Merging universes
What I'm trying to say, is that to talk about main menu storage, we'll have to talk about parallel universes
Finally a new BlueSR video!
i love all glitches speedruns, they're always super interesting
And for that Wanderers Journal pun, have my like.
With room storage and main menu storage, these people don’t need to have the same level of control or understanding of Hollow Knight’s movement. Things like QGA and other famous skips are useless to them, so they don’t need to spend hours getting good at them.
Instead, they need to understand how the game code works on the smallest level, and risk breaking everything in order to figure out how to use and abuse every quirk of the code in order to beat their best times. It takes a level of technical knowledge that I don’t even begin to comprehend. These times are insane, good on them!
It may not be a long run or even very fun, but damn it’s a treat to watch
I have gotten main menu storage accidentally so many times (or almost, I've never been in-game with the menu, but I've had two menus at once) and still, as of starting this video, I have no idea how it's even done
Edit: Now I kinda understand, and it makes sense I did it accidentally, I play on controller, and for some reason my first A press whenever I go to the main menu counts as a B press or something like that because it opens the "would you like to quit" option thing, and since I mash the button every time I leave, I immediately click the quit game option and un-select it whenever I leave, which makes me accidentally open 2 main menus (or at least that was what I got from the explanation)
10:51 the correct way to go through the infected crossroads
I swear, I just though about how long it was since the last video
There's some black magic going on
the wanderer's journal pun took longer than it took to beat the run.
I think what is really going on with the "glitches are cheating" crowd is something more like "glitch runs are inherently less interesting to me and so I don't consider them [as] valid." Its not really my thing either, but I took the time to think about why. (it's not important to my point, but those interested it's because, to me, it feels like the game is sanitized of its character in favour of mechanical minutia). Taking the time to figure that out, it's easy to see that the glitched runners are just enjoying the game differently, and that's ok. It may not be my cuppa, but it's increasing the joy in the world and that seems like a good thing.
So, where's mossbag to explain the lore implication behind all these glitches? I want a full documentary, complete with how the Pale King managed to hide all these 'secret passages' from the eyes of the common folk.
I think I found a skip that could be used in speed runs if you vengeful spirit and open the map immediately after you can start to fall slowly until you get hit.
I think it is found a long time ago
How are they able to get the 3rd dreamer room? Is that just a different glitch that stacks with the room duping?
I actually forgot to explain this in the video haha. Good Question! The answer is actually that Dreamer rooms don't really get unloaded in the same way as other scenes in the game. Because of this you can stack them infinitely i think
@@BlueSR This isn't quite right, what actually happens is that on the latest patch, when you go through a boss scene, an additional room is added to the dupe, corresponding to the boss itself. We go through FK room enough times to have 5 rooms when we show up at Monomon!
Thank you so much, even though I am a huge Hollow Knight nerd I knew absolutely nothing about glitches besides wall-cling storage.
Was hoping you'd show the entire pathing of the run on the big map so we can see how ridiculous the 'actual' in-world pathing is (since you already sorta show some bits of it)
That’s a great idea! I’ll keep that in mind for any future route explanation :O
@@BlueSR I look forward to it :D
@@BlueSR :)
A couple runs that I had seen in this category featured the room storage trick but stored a Crystal Peaks room to instantly kill THK by loading him into spikes. Is this route now out of favor or just suboptimal because you have to take the time to go get that room?
That’s part of the old 1028 route! the new run is significantly faster.
The reason we don't do this is because you can only do that trick on old patches (on 1.2 it already doesn't work, not sure about earlier patches). There were ideas of speedkilling thk using room dupes on current patch, but those were quite cursed.
people complaining about glitches in speedruns is wild to me, if you was to tell someone to cross the road as fast as they can and they just cross the road tell them it doesnt count because they didnt use the crossing its the same thing to me if that makes sense. yes NMG tends to be more popular to the general masses because they've played the whole game and most of the time NMG will go through the whole of the game and you get to see how talented the player is. but with glitches its amazing to see runners doing these insane glitches and breaking the games apart its wild to see and entertaining, how people can bitch about it is insane
I love how someone could speedrun this game 4 times in this video
Calling it now, they're going to find out how to break into the Black Egg Temple early and then it becomes a fight for who can kill Hollow Knight the fastest.
That's incredibly unlikely a skip like that would require some crazy new discoveries, but coders have already probably found if a skip like that is possible
The glitch looks like you are dreaming with the normal mode of the game in god seeker mode.
A speedrunner I watch a lot likes to do hollow knight challenges, and they always seemed to be on some hollow knight new game + mode... now I know how they do it.
I saw someone call hollow knight glitches black magic and just... they're so beautiful. I love this game and all the ways it can be broken.
This Ori Music fits surprisingly well in a Hollow Knight Video.
as much as i love your puns im gonna have to take a kings pass on that one
12:16 I think you meant HE. You misspoke quite a few times but dw :)
If you think that people saying "glitched is cheating" is annoying wait until you hear of "speedrunning is taking value from video games"
Yeah, some people genuinely believe this
I think blue has to know this:
wander and wonder are different words.
This main menu bug is exactly why game state machine exists. So you can't be at many states at once.
one of my favorite parts of the anniversary stream i believe it was they did a few years ago was the all glitches speedrun where they just spawn a room to kill the hollow knight LOL
I was goofing around in 2021 and my rooms randomly duped, i think it was in a modded game with a multiplayer randomiser, but still, i think it was on the latest patch at the time. I didnt think much of it, because it was kind of annoying and i had to restart, and because i didnt believe that nobody else has seen this glitch before
I think it’s easy to forget that any% with glitches are not TAS but an actual person playing on a regular computer. It just always seems so bizarre and non-vanilla that it looks like cheating.
JUST BEAT NIGHTMARE KING GRIMM FOR MY 1ST TIME.
FEELING GOOD
In the time it takes to watch this video you could beat hollow knight 4 times
Does anyone know if @BlueSR has stopped streaming on twitch or is he taking a break? I haven't seen him live for like 3-4 weeks or something. Hope everything is alright!
I just now realized I’ve been accidentally doing MMS during my playthrough and just being annoyed at having to quit to get rid of the menu… man I’m stupid
Now the triple Monomon doorway near black egg temple makes sense
Glitched runs be like “you go left by going right”
omg I did not know the game could be broken open this much
i did read "all glitchLESS" and got crazy thinking 30 minutes (any% nmg) turned into 5 😂
Another great video blue