Expensive VS Cheap Shotgun Shell CHALLENGE (Hevi Hammer VS Steel) | AMAZING RESULTS!!!!!!
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Love the shotkam!! Would be cool if you could stay on the bird with the shotkam a little longer after the shot would love to see the fall & splash too 😂👍 Gotta love a private farm pond!
HIGHLY recommend trying BOSS. Switched to them this year, went from 3 inch 2 shot steel to 2.75 inch 5 shot BOSS shells and were killing them out further than with steel. Much better
Ducks or geese?
Hey, don’t knock federal. I use them and I think they’re alright, better price tag too.
That's the only ammunition I use when I'm not shooting my own loads. I've dissected a lot of different shells and Federal Speed-Shok was most consistent. Kent is very consistent as well. In the Winchester Xpert HV's a lot of pellets were dimpled and droplets. I also dissected Hevi-Metal, 3 1/2" and some pellets were also dimpled and not uniform. This was a few years ago.
@@chronic2001n so you make your own or what do you mean by shooting your own loads
@@8pdalton Yes
@@chronic2001n can you dm on TH-cam? I’d like to know more about that if you don’t mind lol
I shoot federal 90% of the time and don’t see an issue with them and they’re price tag is good
Imagine being able to find shells...
You can’t find them? They’re in every store near me.
True that they’re all sold out here
Went to my local Academy store and they had 3 boxes of 28 gauge clay shooting shells. That was the only ammunition they had.
They are also sold out near me
It’s hard to find them where I live
Canuck here, I’ve been using a bb shot on Canadian and snow goose, which delivers a good solid kill. I find smaller shot just a little light in steel for goose.
Agree, BB at a min. I like BBB or T myself.
Thank you for tuning in. Yes, I know this was not much of a "Challenge video". I did that on purpose. If you know, you know. 🤷♂️
I personally don't mind them once in a blue moon however they're kinda annoying especially when thats all most youtubers do. It gets redundant and I loose interest in they're channel.
I 1000 percent agree. It so dumb "410 challenge video" just say I'm using a 410. I like the way high prairie sportsman does personally.
Way to be pretentious!
Neither are any of the other “challenges” that are posted on TH-cam.
Been there, done that, with the Environmetal Inc. products. In all honesty, their best waterfowl loads are their all steel loads, or their all tungsten loads (but who can say it's reasonable to spend $6 to $10 a shot on wingshooting shells).
From watching the patterns a couple times from your shotkam footage, It did not appear the patterns with the Hevi-Hammer load were optimal. This is not uncommon for mixed material shotshell loadings like Hevi-Hammer. This is especially true of a bismuth-steel blend, as you are taking a rigid and non-malleable shot type and blending it with a soft and malleable shot type. Upon firing, setback of the load occurs, which with steel does nothing. With Bismuth, however, if the shot is not cushioned by buffer or a power-piston wad it will compress and deform. Contrary to marketing from Environmetal Inc., non-round and deformed pellets do not fly through the air in a straight path, nor efficiently. That said, with deformed pellets at the top of the shot column, they will interfere with the consistency of the pattern as the charge goes down range. essentially, the steel shot is beating the hell out of the bismuth and the in turn the bismuth is knocking holes in the steel shot's pattern. boom, you have a load that is almost useless unless choked just right. But that brings us to part two of why loads like Hevi-Hammer are a bad idea and all marketing gimmick.
For one, the Hevi-Hammer loading is not an even-split/balanced loading (such as old hevi-metal once was with a supposed 50/50 blend of steel/hevi-shot). They claim it is a 85/15 split of steel and bismuth shot. With a 1oz #3 shot load in the 20ga, that means there is approximately 130 steel pellet and 15 or 16 bismuth pellets on top of the steel (assuming the bismuth is actually a #3 sized pellet). So in effect, the Bismuth in that load is doing nothing for you with only 15/145 pellets being a higher density material. Top that off with the fact that the 1oz load that Environmetal loads for the 20ga only pushes out at about 1,350 FPS box label, that means you get less energy per pellet down range with a material (steel shot) that needs velocity to perform since it suffers from the low density of 7.9gcc (versus bismuth with 9.6gcc density). It is no wonder you saw a marked improvement in using the 7/8oz 1,550 FPS #2 Fed blue box load over the Enviro load; there was a better pattern and better energy/penetration on target.
Bottom line is that shot types like Bismuth, ITX-10, ITX-13, hevi-shot, and TSS all are better Non-tox shot types than steel by leaps and bounds. But when you mix them in with steel shot or each other, you are more likely to blow patterns and have a less desirable effect than just running one material shot in a load. The reality of the situation is, If you are not going to shoot a higher density material and you are going to shoot steel, you need to select the correct weight charge and pellet size for you intended hunting scenario and push that pellet at minimum 1,400 to 1,450 FPS at the muzzle.
Environmetal products are, in my opinion, all marketing and made cheap/sold expensive. I no longer shoot steel loads, period. I shoot Boss out of all my guns/gauges, but if I were to shoot steel again I would select a different brand than Enviro.
Just picked up my first shotgun yesterday - Browning BPS. Working on getting out there - your content has been really insightful!
just got one today and it is real smooth, real excited to shoot it.
@@alexcurry5541 funny timing - I completed an NRA Basic Shotgun Course today - got to shoot some trap and skeet after a few hours in the classroom learning more hands-on how to handle the BPS...
I was missing so many clays at the start that I began to doubt the sport was for me. With a little guidance from the instructor and some help from others in the class working on becoming instructors themselves - I started whacking them clays out of the sky! Managed to buy 10 more boxes of ammo and planning my next day out on the range now hahaha!
@@JamesSingzon you definitely learned it quite a bit faster than my buddy and i did in a field with a couple boxes of shells thats for sure. How are you liking it?
May I respectively request that you show more "dog work"? I'd like to see your doggo friend retrieve those big birds! 👍
I really like the premier feature, we are in the same general area and I never get on as good of hunts as you do, what’s your secret, now we mainly hunt public not private
Hey josh great vid! Could you do a video on tuning your goose call and a video about hunting big honkers? Like scouting tips, field types, spread shapes, blind setup. I would definitely tune in!
All I shoot is hevi steel 3” 2 with a kicks high flyer mod choke 12ga
Awesome hunt in my book! Stay safe and enjoy what the good Lord has blessed us with!
I watched a lot of videos where these guys shoot 20 gages, but they basically run a 12 gauge around out of it. 20 ga 3" inch equals 12 ga 23/4"
Need to shoot some boss shotshells for smaller gauges; 20, 28, 410
He’d be smashing these honks with 3” 4 boss
#3’s are great for ducks. I use # 3 federal speed shock. However, I don’t recommend using # 3’s for geese. No shot size smaller than a # 2. # 1 does great for geese too.
I've killed more geese with 3 or 4 shot than I have anything else
I like the HeavyMetal. I think it's worth the extra bucks, us guys with a 12 gauges don't shoot as much as the guys using the lesser gauges. You should give that 20 gauge to your wife. LOL
*Laughs in 10 gauge*
That Shotkam adds so much to your videos. I thought you stoned a couple of them but they didn't fall. Great video.
Dont feel too bad, I havent got anything this year. I just started a few months ago, right behind my house is the X for the geese, land is grid locked
gotta lead more and those shells are only 15% bismuth not worth the price also 3s are a little small for honkers just my 2 cents. 3-1/2 "12 gauge for the honk daddies never lets you down
$20 venmo if you can combine dock jumping for the dog on a retrieve on a goose at that spot. $25 if the dog clears 12'. Good hunt man.
Those are some pretty nice sized honks there. Love the 20ga!
Love watching you goose hunt.
We've killed 100+ birds this year with federal speed shok no complaints here.
Love the content hopefully the birds keep migrating through down to us here in Mississippi before season ends!
They will migrate down here in February! Just like every year
They are here now in central Oregon, not another hunter in sight so far this whole season and early season, just piling up the goose taco 🌮 prospects for the freezer right now.
20 ga. is an under rated gun for Ducks , Goose .
I use federal blue box almost exclusively.
12ga 3" 1¼oz BB @1450fps from a .705" choke.
Shoot your best.
But the most important thing: Stay on the same bird til she folds.
It takes discipline. Otherwise, you're gonna cripple a bunch of birds.
The coyotes gotta eat too but . . .
If you cripple a bird, keep shooting the same bird.
And don't call somebody off a shot while they're trying to kill a cripple. That bird ain't comin back. It's leaving to die somewhere away from where it got shot.
Good stuff Josh! Still floors me that you are shooting geese with a 20 gauge. Can't wait to see what's next.
I shoot 12 gauge Hevi Hammer , 3” shot 2. I hit drop ducks with no issues. But I can’t drop any geese. Not sure what’s wrong lol
Can’t beat the federal speed shoks for the price and performance that’s all I shoot for duck and geese
Federal Speedshok all the way! I've had the most good luck with them not jamming and the price is right in the middle of everything. Nothing fancy but they're made well.
I used to shoot feds speedshok and do really good, was all i shot yrs ago but these newer ones are garbage. Bought a case(10 boxes) and clicked on a bunch of them, can see the pin mark on the primer but the shells didnt fire and the ones that do, powder most of the time in my face.
@@TsHeEjBoI4eVadid they get wet?
Great Work Braddah! 😎🤙🏾
Not a fan of heavy metal loads myself. Winchester blindside bb for geese and federal #5 for duck.
What is the distance for the majority of your shots?
I was like, "Why aren't you shooting the ones standing right next to you." After the longest time I realized they were decoys...
Yessss let’s go new vid, love the vids man been watching since cope junkies
Great video man!
Show the dog work my man :)
Love the 20 gauge hunting 👍👍
Damn watching hunting goose vids gets me pumped up… im from way up north in canada ontario. Soo i have to wait untill next April for hunting… then September
whats your experience with tss??
Lmao I love that you made this video.
My son loves the federal shells to in his 20 too they hammer geese
I shoot a 4011 foremost 12g, it shoots only 2¾ and #2 federal shoots like a dream. Got my first limit of 2021 last weekend!
No substitute for BB or #1 shot on geese
What are the hearing protection ear buds that you use?
“Challenge” I’m picking up what your putting down there haha
Hey what call are you using in this video? Love the sound and tone depth on it
The proof is in the pudding. I don’t like the think that a shell isn’t as good based on a gut feeling. Shoot those shells on paper and know for a fact that they are good enough to kill birds rather than crippling 5-6 geese on a hunt and sending those to die on the refuge
agreed. lots of bad shooting. and to impatient to let the geese in range
What hearing protection you using? I just returned decibullz, they sucked
my grandfather handed down a 12 gauge goose gun any recommendations for shells it can shoot three inch
I think he ment to say 7/8ths oz #2 shot 1550 fps
Hevi stuff is junk. Josh u would love the boss 5s out of the 20.
i will stay with hevi whan you can crash ducks and geese at 65ydrs you let me know. seen alot guys have problems with boss ammo
Hevi Shots quality control is garbage. Way overpriced. I used to shoot Mag Blend for gobblers and the shot was everything but round. Snowmen shaped (two and three pellets stuck together, dimpled, flat shot pellets were the norm and the rep from Hevi-Shot said it’s supposed to be like that. Smh. Caused ALOT of “flyers” in the pattern.
chris linz- why on earth would you shoot at ducks and geese 65 yds out??? Boss has a very good reputation with quality control.
Best math ever black cloud shells with kicks high flyer modified choke
What camera is that with the red dot
1 7/8 oz 20 gauge shells huh. That’s new to me
7/8 oz, he misspoke
yep they dont exist in steel and yes he corrected it in garage.
Yap
Where can I find the goose butt decoy?
Rodgers Sporting Goods
Fed blue box great $, and they get it done
Yea I can’t get shells anywhere I went to academy 20 minutes early and there were 100 people lined up and when I got in there they were already sold out
Scheels has a ton of ammo
Which make and model of 20 ga are you shooting?
I shoot federal speed shok for ducks and hevi hammer for geese
Hey man is this a tactacam that you use or a shotkam?
This season is my first using hevi-hammer. A couple weekends ago we had two honkers come over us at about 35 yards and my first shot you could hear the thud of the pellets hitting it. It flew off like nothing was wrong. I’m not impressed with them at all.
Jeff hammer are garbage. Barely any different than steel. Has like 15% bismuth in it. Buy Boss shotshells 100% bismuth copper plated heat.
@@BeatRock253 they really are. I’ve already bought a case of 20 gauge and 12 gauge Boss for this coming season. I picked up a box of Boss to use on the last couple hunts last year and I’m a Bossman now!
@@jeffjones5691 hey, good deal just make sure and shoot a full choke with that bismuth. Leave the full choke in all season and don't mess with it. It patterns more open than steel. Best of luck this season, knock em dead!
Heavy metal, long range, 2 3/4 inch #4 12 ga, best load for ducks, deader than dead
Love the 20ga man!! I have the exact same one. What choke are using with it?
He said the factory modified
I use hevi shot hammer 2shot and it puts them in my truck.
What I used to do with my 20 gauge is that I would take out the bb’s in the 2 shot and put in BB from a 12 gauge steel shot and sealing them again and those used to stone any goose I would shoot at
Can't find any 20 ga BBs?
@@jrow84 no will never find them in the stores. I would make them myself with my uncle
Blue box feddy all day
Lmao Hevi hammer and Hevi steel practically the SAME load. On diff is about 20 bismuth BB’s per shell. Same wad, same steel. Same stuff.
Wanna do a comparison do Hevi steel VS boss or TSS
hevi publishes all their density ratings. bismuth to steel is only a difference of 1.8g/cc, with bismuth at 9.6g/cc. hevi does make hevi 13 and hevi18. the density gains in the hammer are negligible even if it were 50/50
@@buck19 that's an over 20% difference between the two materials. That increase in density is not negligible at all, and it shows in ballistics testing.
A big reason the Hevi-Hammer load is a total joke is that it is a bismuth-steel mix (which does nothing for pattern density nor terminal effect when only 15% of the charge is actually bismuth) and that its going too slow for the steel pellets to have the energy needed to be terminally effective down range. At 25 yards and in, 1,350 FPS start for steel is ok on small birds and ducks (not honkers). Out past 30 though, it has lost a lot of velocity/energy when compared to denser materials of the same or smaller shot size with the same start velocity and becomes very much a crippling load.
@@AmericanArmsChannel exactly !!! The Hevi hammer/ metal is trash. If I’m shooting Hevi products I’m shooting Hevi steel over decoys or some Hevi X out to 50. The Hevi X is good stuff with density @ 10Gc I’ve killed allot of birds with the Hevi X 👍🏽 hammer and metal are garbage honestly. Would rather shoot Hevi steel.
@@stevechmiel6016 hevi-X has been a very inconsistent performer for me. The non-round pellets F-up every chance at consistent patterns and the variance in density from 9.2 to 10.3 gcc based on the batch you buy is a big problem too with consistent performance on the birds. I’ve settled on Boss copper plated bismuth for everything, whether I know i’m killing them at 15 yards or 55, i just want better on the birds. I’ve dumped Hevi entirely; they don’t deserve our money as sportsman in my opinion.
@@AmericanArmsChannel I’ve shot a case of boss 5’s this year. Love em over the decoys they smash. But I’ve shot 7 or 8 boxes of the Hevi X 4’s and I like em better honestly. I only shoot a 20. Can’t go wrong with either one. The best stuff on the market is those federal TSS 8&10’s I bought 6 or 7 boxes of 5 when midway had them on clearance and I swear to god every shell killed a duck this year 😂 stuff isn’t even funny how deadly it is
you guys are impatient and its leading to a lot of bad shots and crippled birds.
Right, I Hate seeing crippled birds, I would rather miss completely or not shoot rather than cripple one.
No it’s not Lol you’ll always end up having a cripple at some point when your hunting it’s hunting it won’t always be perfect no cripples. I hate to cripple birds too just like almost all other waterfowl hunters but they took good shots. Camera makes them look farther than they really are most of those shots were 20-40 yds
@@-B_G- I know its somewhat promotion but they really dont need to be shooting 20 gauge unless all TSS or at least pure heavy shot . Hevimetal 2 shot would have been much better comparison.
tee kay- I agree. 20 is a great gun for ducks and dove 35 yds and under but the geese deserve a big 12ga bc they are just so dang tough you need all the pellets you can get UNLESS they are shooting tss like you already said, it’s a different beast.
Illinois Outdoors- ??? “20 gauge and a 12ga have the same amount of bb’s the only difference is the exit velocity”??? Bro I reload shotgun shells. That statement couldn’t be much more wrong. A 3 in 20 ga steel load contains about a 1/2 to 3/4 oz less “bb’s” aka shot than a 3 in 12 ga load of the same shot size. The velocity of a 12 and 20 are close but the 12 usually is faster by a cpl hundred feet per sec which makes little to no difference. For comparison there are about 125 steel # 2 per oz. A standard steel 3 in 20 ga is usually 1 oz to 1 1/4, A 12 ga is usually anywhere from 1 1/4 to 2 oz of shot, if you do the math you can easily see the 12 ga is going to give you many more pellets almost every time.
1:46 what is that dude talking about he has a go pro on his head
Man I haven’t been able to get heavy metal to pattern worth a dang out of any gun I’ve tried with.
Yeah, that's not uncommon. Best thing to do is to go buy a straight steel load or a higher density shot type load. My experience has been poor with everything but the all steel loads from Hevi as far as patterning goes.
@@AmericanArmsChannel best I’ve found for my gun is Kent fast steel. My buddy had an a400 and black cloud patterned best out of his. One problem with that. It put a bulge in his barrel this past weekend while duck hunting in Arkansas
@@addisonestes1219 that would be a bore obstruction, not for the load. Most likely debris got down the barrel or a blooper load where the wad did not clear the barrel. I would say a soft strike caused the primer to fizzle and only partially burn the powder in the hull, causing a blooper if it was due to a stuck wad and not debris. Bad primers and powders in a load are not very common, but they can happen though. Hard to say what happened in that situation.
Black cloud patterned well for me as well, but I have never really liked Kent's offerings. Their bismuth loads are decent, but they are over-priced and they market the hell out of it with the old "gotta have a box with pheasant on it to be upland loads, and one with a duck on it for waterfowl" kind of BS when both loads are good for either. BUT, if the shell you choose puts a good pattern down range and sends the shot out a a velocity that makes the shot material do what it needs to, that's what you want.
@@AmericanArmsChannel yes the flight control was got stuck in the bore. Full choke and flight control doesn’t work out well. Those shells patterned the best for him but now that his gun is in its way to Barretta, he won’t be shooting those anymore.
@@AmericanArmsChannel none of my friends shoot Kent’s well either. For some reason, with my set up, it works well. So I go with it until it quits working.
What hearing protection?
Lmao I want some of those 20ga 1 7/8oz @1550fps that should do the trick. That’s like an 8ga load
I've killed lots of geese with 3 shot now I'm shooting 5 shot out of my muzzleloader
Why do you shoot 20 instead of 12 gauge
You shooting behind em
Yea they need to wait a little longer in their shoots
I like hevi steel over hevi hammer. They seemed to stone birds better for me
they are virtually the same.
@@buck19 they are close but hevi hammer has bismuth
Have y’all been getting much snow? Or ice
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Josh
I shoot the same federal as you they are lights out ..
have you ever shot a goose and it land in the blind?
These cheap vs expensive challenges prove nothing bc every shot is different, human error, distance, etc. You might make a great shot with cheap shells and completely miss with expensive shells. Patterning the shells and choke you hunt with is the only way to see what will work better when you do make a good shot.
If you hit em in the head, about any shell will work. If you hit em in the butt, a slug may not be enough.
Tell the guy in the middle to stop crossing over you gun barrel. That is driving me nutz.
Used hevi steel 3 1/2in bb's, shot at a lesser, it did a backflip, nosedive, and then it picked back up and flew away like nothing happened. I've also used hevi bismuth 3 1/2in 2's and sometimes they fly away like nothing happened too
Bomb ass vid my guy
What shot size do you typically use when duck hunting?
3 steel in the timber and BB steel on the prairie. Switching to 4's or 5's for timber if I can find any
And that’s why I shot T shot at geese
IKR Why are all these ppl shooting #2 and #3 duck loads at geese? BBB and T shot are devasting on big birds. Federal blue box 3 in #T will crumple them farther than you should shoot.
I like your blind
Y’all dont use divebombs at all?
No. I use Final Approach. I think Full Bodies work WAY better than silos
you like final approach fullbodies? Some my buddies say they don’t hold up well, but what do they know lol. We’ve been running 30 dzn divebomb and a few dozen bigfoots and doing great but I hate bigfoots haha
Winchester Super X4;;
Hello sir
Where from you?
الف عافيه ok
Awesome hunt, I have been using nothing but go old Federal blue box for the past 30 years.
Could have shot your limit lol
Don't kill them 😢