@@hoshikage3137 now, my geek glasses on. it started with lois and clark: new adventure with superman as live action tv. not counting the serials since it was shown in cinema.
@@Che1Angelius Before Superman and Lois there was the Superboy Tv series. Before that was of course George Reeve's series. But no I would not count Brandon Routh's Superman Returns, 90's Flash(which has a much stronger connection), Batman, or any of the other shows or movies in Crisis as CW era. Even the shows that were on the WB but didn't make it to CW. So it starts with Smallville and ends with Superman and Lois. Though Smallville certainly did show appreciation to both Christopher Reeve's Superman and Lois and Clark.
When Doomsday gestured to stop Superman from punching him into the sun, and he just did. That's peak Superman. Clark understanding what's happening and gently pushing Doomsday into the sun, made my eyes a little hazy. Fantastic writing. They really understood the characters they were bringing to life.
I felt so bad for Doomsday here. I hoped that Clark & the DoD could help to reopen the portal so Doomsday could get back to his earth to be a protector to his family even if not in the way he used to be.
I wonder how many people recognized that the red dress Lois is wearing at the end is THE DRESS from the episode of the same name. It's the dress Clark bought her when she won an award, she wanted to get rid of it because (after the cancer) she felt she couldn't wear it again, that it wouldn't fit right and people would stare.
Thank you! Thought it was a strange choice to put her in that dress for the final moment-- not that she didn't look great-- but I had completely forgotten about that episode and moment. This makes a lot more sense.
@@suzygirl1843 Only in your delusional dreams cause a lot of people watched and loved it. The fact that you are even commenting means you care about the show.
Tyler Hoechlin will go down as one of the best interpretations of Superman this is what I wanted the movies are Superman that's helpful and optimistic even through the dark times he still is positive
This clearly wasn't made on our earth, when the Arrowverse messed with the multiverse, the CW pulled this show from another Earth where they could actually make good TV.
@@guywholikesanimations1018 I think thats very likely the real case tbh. Otherwise, where was Kara when Doomsday showed up! I mean...she didn't even show up to her cousin's funeral?
Basically Superman & Lois is the end of an entire era of the CW that started in 2001 with Smallville and ended with Superman & Lois in 2024. I know that Arrow can probably be considered the end of the Arrowverse, but... I think the ending of Superman & Lois is no worse. I was sad to realize that all these characters will never get together and do heroic things again. But damn, despite all the problems, these projects had some kind of their own great unity vibe that everyone liked and charish. Anyway... RIP Arrowverse and CW superhero shows era 10.10.12 - 2.12.24
@@RastaGamesful while I love thought of bookending the arrowverse with Smallville and Superman and Lois, Smallville wasn't part of the Arrowverse. I know they included the scene with Tom Welling in their "Crisis On Infinite Earths" storyline, it still wasn't a part of it because ALL of the Arrowverse shows were a separate thing.
You know what I find so poetic? For the DC Comics Shows CW started with Smallvile where we saw and followed Clark Kent’s life as a kid to an adult and it ended with Superman & Lois where we saw Clark become a father and it we followed him till the end. All in all it’s really cool it started and ended with Superman.
I adore this series and this was such a wonderful ending for the show and the characters. I love how they turned budget cuts a shortened season to their advantage. During season 2 I lost my Mom. During season 3 my sister got diagnosed with breast cancer a week before Lois did in the show. In both cases in these rough times, Superman & Lois offered a much needed distraction for an hour. Lois going through her treatments helped me as I toon my sister to her treatments , and as I stayed with my sister, it allowed me to see how the show really paid attention and respect to the chemo process. This show will easily stand with Superboy and Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman as super shows that only lasted four seasons each but left a resounding impact with me. Great video. You knocked it out of the park.
To me, Superman & Lois separating itself from the Arrowverse's canon due to the poor handling of many Superman related things in that universe and a general higher level of production quality, feels almost just as rightly justified as Arrow was to separate itself from Smallville's canon.
Episode 5 was needed though, and it’s one of the more important episodes of the season, it shows that lex had a chance to repair things with his daughter but chose not to, without it you don’t development of Lex or understanding his character
Tyler Hoechlin and Bitsie Tulloch have set an incredibly high bar that as great as they are for David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan to beat and be on par with. As inconsistent as the CW DC shows were its without saying that at their best they were some of the best live action content DC had to offer and it started strong and ended strong
The only thing I would’ve added would be in the ending montage have the grown-up superboys battling Brianiac or Darkseid for a single shot. Just to show that they are still heroes with their own villains. and that I was upset we only got to see the super boy suits for 5 seconds..
Superman and Lois will go down as one of the best comic book adaptations since Daredevil Tyler Hoechlin did Superman Justice in this show was the reason my love for the character came back I became a Superman fan again because of this show
@@mylesherzog6757 I have not seen the penguin yet right now Superman and Lois and daredevil on my top two best comic book shows on right now and I can't wait for born again
This was easily the best adaptation of Superman in live action since Christopher Reeves and the best live action Lois ever. Gunn's Superman has the unenviable task of following this show but at least they have the blue print for a perfect Superman adaptation now.
To me, this Lex perfectly encapsulates his mindset at the end of his beef with Clark. Yes, the focus is on Lois too, but Lois only went after Lex because of Clark. The psychology of the character reminds me a lot of Smallville, where it was explained that Lex, having been raised in a business, can't really understand love. This Lex was abused as a child and processed that by ruthlessly amassing wealth. Of course he can't choose Elizabeth over Lois, he doesn’t think he'll "profit" off of his daughter, whereas he sees himself evening out the score between him and Lois.
@ahsokarules2369 You might be right that it is making a nod to his post death suit; however, this entire series has had him in darker, toned down, drab color especially the crest. I don't know what it is about live-action Superman costumes; since 2006 they've all been purposefully drab for the most part. I didn't really care for the Supergirl show but Tyler Hoechlin's introduction and suit were actually really good on that show IMO.
I thought the suit looked darker in the final season because.... Once you find out during the season, even though Superman came back he is not the same with a human heart... His powers are diminishing & he's showing signs of aging, so eventually he will be Superman no more... So, I thought the darker suit was supposed to be some sort of reputation for that!... Or maybe I was just overthinking it 🤷
The WB(CW) executives, never seem to realize when they have a good thing going & properly capitalize on it these days with the live action DC shows or movies! 🤷
I don't think dragging a show out makes any sense. 4 to 5 seasons is enough. S&L DID GREAT ! WENT OUT ON A HIGH ! NOW...can we get Emmy nominations for the lead actors ?!!!
You had valid points about Luthor but I just wanted to remind you that, THAT was the point. He's a sociopath. When he still had control over everything (season 3) was saw more of the Lex Luthor we know. Season 4 was his descent into madness. His ultimate destiny. Fitting for a final season.
It’s not even OOC for Lex to go off the rails & descend to thuggery when his plans start to fail. That started when he couldn’t get his daughters location, then Superman came back to life, then he finds his daughter but ultimately loses her because he can’t let go of his hate, then the people of Smallville reject him & he’s beaten up by a powerless Superman. That pileup of failures is enough to dig deep into his insecurities & make him go off the rails. In the end battle he keeps charging Superman repeatedly despite getting punched back each time. He’s out of tricks & running on rage rather than smarts.
@sonamtashi7706 When he kept charging Superman, I realized that he wasn't even rationalizing anymore. Running on pure hate. His tactless charging at Supes while my man is just levitating, waiting for him to come take his punch reminded me of this quote. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
@@JasirGressmann Which is why Lex is said to be insane in most portrayals of the character. He keeps trying to achieve the same thing( destroying Superman) but fails yet tries again & again. Even his methods are mostly the same. Use some expendable patsy fitted with experimental weaponry so that Lex can have deniability. Then fail, rinse & repeat.
I’m hoping sometime in the future, we get a DCTV multiverse crossover. They could make it a miniseries, coin it as Elseworlds, bring back the actors of several shows, including the shows they canceled like Swamp Thing or Legends of Tomorrow and end the miniseries by retconning most of the shows into taking place in the same universe. And they can always return to this continuity like have for the DC Animated Universe!
I feel like the one key difference that shows like SnL, Arcane, and every other fantastic TV show and movie out there does right is that they end their shows where they end it because thats what the characters need, not because we needed more seasons. Their character archs have all peaked and have achieved everything they needed to come full circle and thats where they ended it.
I also think that this show was able to accomplish that barely any TV series in general have ever been able to accomplish, not just CW shows, which is have its ending exactly when it should. As opposed to being canceled prematurely, or even worse: overstay its welcome by 10 years.
I understand why you didn't love darker suit (me neither) but I get it. This is their version of the typical Death of Superman black suit. But since this show (and Elseworlds crossover before it) established the correlation between a black suit and evil Superman I get why they didn't go for an entirely black suit. We don't want to give Irons PTSD.
As someone who has loved Tyler Hoechlin since his days on Teen Wolf, I am so so glad that he has gotten to shine as Clark/Superman on his own show. I was so excited when he was cast in Supergirl and I always watched when he was appearing (wasn't a huge Supergirl fan, didn't watch it regularly past season 3, usually just watched the big crossover episodes. I was more of an Arrow fan). While I'm sad Superman and Lois is over, I hope it's just the start of Tyler's career and that he goes on to even bigger things cos I think he has a lot of talent.
I have to say that this is one of the Best Superman Projects ever made with a Slice of Life Twist, Season 1 is my favorite, Season 2 while not bad it’s the Weakest, Season 3 is my Second Favorite, and Season 4 is Third Favorite but to me they all have more Strengths than Weaknesses and has tons of Heart, Season 4 is a Great One Last Ride Epilogue to the Series and the Arrowverse, my only nitpicks is that Lex didn’t feel like a Intelligent Mastermind and Everyone knowing who Superman is was never one of my favorite stories, but it was executed well and I’m glad they ended with this as the Arrowverse has a Problem with extending the Series and Declining and we can finally Movie On from this Joke of a Universe the CW have made that’s holding back so many potential to the DC Brand, Thank You Superman and Lois for giving us a Good Time and a Good Conclusion to the Story.
Im just glad the flash finale wasnt the end of all dc cw shows. It was the end pf the arrowverse but im glas we can say the dc on cw started and ended great
@@nothingbutnet35 kind of. Some parts of the show were good with him. But the writing was so bad sometimes 😂😂. Should’ve kept the same writers from season 1-2. Pretty annoying seeing the same inconsistencies in scenes.
I understand they wanted a more intimidating Luthor, but my only problem with this show was that they didnt bring Jon Cryer back...biker Lex just didnt do it for me.
It was great to have a live adaption where Clark/Superman is written as lonely and isolated while reflecting that he actually grew up around people, loved ones and others. Some writers complain it if hard to make him seem human…. There is nothing more human than being powerful but not being able to stop cancer or death or things you can’t hit with fits or energy beams to resolve. Or dealing with life, teenagers and human behavior!
I wish they had some sort of cameo of Kara in the last episode, but even without it, the show was easily the best Arrowverse show ever made, by a longshot at that.
@@night-streakmedia3319 That's probably a doppelganger of Diggle where events might be different in this universe and by that point they were still deciding whether or not the show will be in the Arrowverse or not
@@night-streakmedia3319 when they were referenced was it by there hero names or anything mentioned bout them being heroes. Cuz they could exist here and not be heroes
I see most of the people commenting or reviewing the series complain about the Cushing family scenes and ironically these are the same people who trash the series when they don't give the supporting cast any screentime. Tho i agree sometimes Cushing family scenes were boring but adding those scenes was far better than abandoning your side characters and knowing the fact that Lana Cushing does play an important role in Clarks life and smallvilles fate this was given. People these days just love to complain but no matter what these self acclaimed critics say this series was perfect from the start to the end and it handled supporting characters in a better way than any other dc superhero show. This series is easily the second best superhero show ever. I love Tyler and he embodies the superman perfectly, better then any live action adaptation apart from Christopher reeves
This is the best series finale I've ever seen, and a fantastic Superman story. The writers, director, and cast convey a deep love and reverence for the character, and concluded this story in such a satisfying way that triggered just as many smiles as tears jerked. Seeing Superman use his influence to inspire others in building "a better tomorrow" is what I always felt the character should stand for. Him forgiving Lex for his frailty in his final moments was just so classy. It was even cool to see the evolution of Kyle and Clark's relationship where Kyle had the chance to be the hero again and administer lifesaving procedures so Clark could hang on a little longer and have the chance to say goodbye to his family. What a wonderful show this has been!
I wish that the showrunners were given the full slate of episodes to really flesh out the season how they wanted. It's so painfully clear that they wanted to do so much more with the series, and I'd kill to see that original vision
You fans don't know what you like in movies and tv series I think all season 1 to 4 was mind blowing it was the best live action superman even better than man of steel
I never understand why S&L got all the good writers, good CGI, high budget, while the CW literally just trash The Flash, Supergirl and Green Arrow with crappy writings while the cast is amazingg....its just not fair at all
@@nathanielfarkas4431I think the main problems with the Arrowverse came down to budget, character rights, and not enough planning things out in advanced.
While I agree that season 2 wasn't as satisfying as Season 1, I have to say, outside of Ally Alston being poorly fleshed out, season 2 gave us some of the best individual moments of the show. Bizarro Superman was peak. We got the Supermen of America. Anderson was actually a pretty compelling villain compared to Ally. We got that fight with Superman taking on the DoD, which was mirrored in the Bizarro world. Speaking of which, we got an entire Bizarro world episode which was brilliantly done. Tal Rho was phenomenal in that season, and the finally gave us one of the most iconic shots of the show with a solar-infused Superman separating two earths with a cinematic overpowered punch. So while season 3 felt more consistent, I feel like season 2 had more iconic standout moments.
100% agree. Great season, great story overall. This show was always best when dealing with the dynamics of his family and growing the character....revealing his powers to the world was amazing, showing his children and even grandchildren, and humanizing him as a character not just a 'symbol of hope' is where this show has always shined at. The fallout from his death and resurrection was amazing and kept me guessing what will happen. And yeah, I was disappointed by Season 2 as well...I was afraid at the time that the show would fall into the CW superhero curse...great first season, terrible followups. Thankfully the quality rebounded, and then some.
My biggest issue with season 4 was the last episode. I wish we got to see more action before the time skip, seeing Jon and Jordan be true heroes with their suits, stuff like that.
aside from season 2, this show was peak. maybe the biggest peak since smallville if not ever. i never thought the cw could do it again once the arrowverse went downhill
1:55 not only that but it started the trend of having a break after every 1 to 3 episodes then we'd have a week off or however long off until the next aired
Because the show stayed true to the comics and stood up to the people who wanted them to change things up (like that crazy woman who worked for them Season 1 and got fired because they wouldn't go along with her changes to Clark's parents)
Not enough are talking about this show, at least we got you praising it. Gave up on most of the dc cw shows but stayed with this one because to me it was on the writing level of smallville.
I disagree about lex's motivations not being reasonable he wanted revenge for bring taken away from his daughter but than becomes more of an excuse to terrorise people which is his issue with superman
Great show, only show I was watching religiously last 4 years. Thanks for the memories. Tyler and the rest of the cast did a great job. And Doomsday was just the show stopper for me.
While I am glad that they managed to tie everything up in the final episode and made the finale season itself really work, I have a feeling that they were planning to do Darkseid at some point and that even for Brainiac to be future villains but due to budget cuts and shortened to only 4 seasons, they were forced to cut all future plans while some hints and clues to them remained. All that said, I think it was for the best that they ended the show on 4 seasons and ended on a high note.
Actually the creators said if they had the opportunity to make more seasons they had big plans for this version of Brainiac and they was also gonna do Darkseid
Snyder and Gunn are off having fist fights over who will be the new face of superman. While CW was quitely plugging away with this gem. Hell Hoechlin could be the goto voice for all Superman animated works and voice overs. Like Kevin Conroy was for Batman.
The fake out with black lex luthor was great and i let out an audible gasp when it was john Henry irons. Same thing when bizarro first appeared and it looked like Doomsday and then they turned him into Doomsday. Goat
It's easily the best superhero show so far. Emotional, inspirational, respect and embrace what a superhero is instead of this edgy crap we've been having (looking at you The Boys). Penguin is great but is about a supervillain and is more a crime drama.
I think the reason why Superman and Lex's rivalry didn't work is because they didn't show enough flashbacks of his battles with Superman. His motivation was his daughter and his hate for Lois, but there was never a hate for Superman as he should like in the comics because of being alien. He always thought that humanity should fight for themselves. This is why BvS motivations were good too, although Jesse's acting was over the top, he was written to see Superman as an abomination. Superman and Lois tried to go for the 90's Lex gangster style but I'm not sure if it fit since we already had a gangster storyline previously with Mannheim. It would have been better to stay close to the modern billionaire route but what do others think?
I like Season 1 Season 4 Season 2 Season 3 ( not I hate this season, I felt they should show why Bruno fear lex and how this version John Henry killed by Bruno
This show could’ve gotten seven seasons. Seven! F WB and go, DC Studios! I’m still hoping sometime in the future, we get a DCTV multiverse crossover. They could make it a miniseries, coin it as Elseworlds, bring back the actors of several shows, including the shows they canceled like Swamp Thing or Legends of Tomorrow and end the miniseries by retconning most of the shows into taking place in the same universe. And they can always return to this continuity like have for the DC Animated Universe!
Not true. The show's cancelation had everything to do with CW being sold and them switching over to unscripted programming. Even Bitsie Tulloch said so. And that's not how licensing and networks work. The show wasn't making enough money for the new CW owners liking. The minute they started canceling all the CW DC shows, the writing was on the wall. The cancelation was inevitable.
I could never get into the Arrowverse, although I did try on multiple occasions. The shows were getting a lot of praise online in various forums, but I always thought the writing and character work were somewhat cringy and immaturish. Maybe I wasn't in the targeted demographic, but those shows weren't for "me." Fast forward to 2021 with the debut of Superman & Lois, and I was reminded why Superman is my favorite superhero. This show was phenomenal from beginning to end, and I will miss it.
I was hoping they'd do original concept for the supertwins because the got suits wrong Jordans suit is supposed to be white with blue accents with a red cape and Jon's suit is supposed to have a cape with his leather jacket wrapped around his waist
Cavanaugh is a great actor and did a great job as G Gordon Godfrey but I personally like that character to remain British and very posh. It adds to the smarminess of the character and better imitates his real world counterparts of Pierce Morgan and Sebastian Gorcha
It's strange that: for years DC TV shows were much much better than their movie (except Batman movies). Green Arrow, Flash, SnL all are successful by critics & rating. Yet WB never tap those talents for their movies. Just imagine if the writers, directors could work on DC's movie....
The WB's issue is they tend to hire directors who don't want to tell a superhero story. The other is they tried to chase the Marvel dragon without considering what the DC properties were. It should have been a gigantic red flag that in his second appearance they were killing Cavill's Superman off. That he barely interacts with Lex. That he doesn't help form the league. That he's barely in the very first Justice League Movie(which is saying a lot due to Justice League Mortal not happening plus two Superman movie productions that failed to get off the ground). Like the WB put its stock in Suicide Squad as the golden child over Batman.
I can buy this as the definitive end to the Arrowverse. Even though this takes place on another universe, i can personally see this set in the same timline of Arrow and the Flash, just set several years after the latters finale.
In the end I'd say Superman and Lois avoided a whole lot of what hurt the Flash in it's later seasons and extended into Arrow/LOT(I think they lost the plot)/Supergirl. Black Lightning I feel maintained itself. Clearly there was a lot they could do. Superman has been published every month(and probably up to 3-4 times a month) since the 1930's. There is no shortage of stories. Which it's baffling how the movies have barely gotten out of Superman meets Lex for 5 minutes. What stings is they actually make a Steel suit with a red cape and S. Like.............wtf. It's miraculous how much ground they covered on a lower budget. While the Flash did that final season. Brainiac I think had good live action portrays on Smallville and Krypton(actually looked like Brainiac and the show honestly tried to be more than it had any right to). Yeah in the end this show covered a lot of ground and taken as a whole. Superman on TV has done a lot more that cinema needs to be better.
I’m really glad the cw was able to get a good ending to its dc stories with Superman and Lois. In its hay day the cw arrow verse was really something amazing. Even if it tapered off at the end of the last couple shows I’m Glad they went out on a high note
Superman and Lois showed why the CW was canceled. The level of attention to non important characters, the virtue signaling, the bogus science, the unrealistic decisions, and the unsuperman personality of superman. We wanted a mostly superman show with his kids but we got way too much lois and her shit and it just felt dragged out. CW DC characters are just too campy and unrealistic and way too much talking. This is why live-action hero series kinda suck for the most part as there have to be 22 episodes so they cant afford the good stuff.
I wasn’t a fan of the CW at first and I only watched the shows that were DC based. But then, Crazy Ex Girlfriend came around. Then my teenage cousin kept suggesting me to watch The 100 so I did. I was somewhat interested in All American but my uncle wanted to watch it so I watched it with him. And it feels the least CW-ish even as a teen drama. I've only seen the pilot of the original Roswell and haven't had time or the at-home wifi to watch it but I did get around to watching Roswell New Mexico which I think is decent. As with Legacies without ever watching TVD or The Originals. And I still think Life Sentence was better than people gave it credit for (granted, I hadn’t watched since it aired and Friendly Space Ninja hated it in his Worst Teen Dramas of All Time video). So yeah, I don't think The CW was all bad. I respect them for making great shows against the odds of low to no budget. After this show, I’m done watching. And All American should’ve ended with the wedding in the season finale. It was perfect!
It's fitting that the CW DC era started with Smallville, and ended with Superman and Lois. Starting with Superman and ending with him.
Started WITH Smallville, ended IN Smallville.
Technically it started with christopher reeves superman since he's in the crisis crossover (kingdom come supes) but I hear what you're saying
It just shows you how popular of a hero Superman actually is.
@@hoshikage3137 now, my geek glasses on. it started with lois and clark: new adventure with superman as live action tv. not counting the serials since it was shown in cinema.
@@Che1Angelius Before Superman and Lois there was the Superboy Tv series. Before that was of course George Reeve's series.
But no I would not count Brandon Routh's Superman Returns, 90's Flash(which has a much stronger connection), Batman, or any of the other shows or movies in Crisis as CW era. Even the shows that were on the WB but didn't make it to CW.
So it starts with Smallville and ends with Superman and Lois. Though Smallville certainly did show appreciation to both Christopher Reeve's Superman and Lois and Clark.
When Doomsday gestured to stop Superman from punching him into the sun, and he just did. That's peak Superman. Clark understanding what's happening and gently pushing Doomsday into the sun, made my eyes a little hazy. Fantastic writing. They really understood the characters they were bringing to life.
I felt so bad for Doomsday here. I hoped that Clark & the DoD could help to reopen the portal so Doomsday could get back to his earth to be a protector to his family even if not in the way he used to be.
I wonder how many people recognized that the red dress Lois is wearing at the end is THE DRESS from the episode of the same name. It's the dress Clark bought her when she won an award, she wanted to get rid of it because (after the cancer) she felt she couldn't wear it again, that it wouldn't fit right and people would stare.
I noticed it too, such a small yet beautiful detail.
It is ho he always saw her in his mind, regardless of how she looked in reality. It's the real Lois, but only for Clark.
That's true Clark sold his entire baseball cards just to make her day feel special that's love and loyalty right there
Yes I thought that. Was surprised no one else was mentioning that while discussing that
Thank you! Thought it was a strange choice to put her in that dress for the final moment-- not that she didn't look great-- but I had completely forgotten about that episode and moment. This makes a lot more sense.
Tyler Hoechlin was such a great Superman. I wish we’d see him again step into that role. He ended his run on such a high note
And nobody watched this show
@@suzygirl1843 Only in your delusional dreams cause a lot of people watched and loved it. The fact that you are even commenting means you care about the show.
@@manehriimao2079 The marketing for this show has been abysmal in its last season. Hardly did me or my peers know it aired
Tyler Hoechlin will go down as one of the best interpretations of Superman this is what I wanted the movies are Superman that's helpful and optimistic even through the dark times he still is positive
Okay but who asked @@suzygirl1843
This clearly wasn't made on our earth, when the Arrowverse messed with the multiverse, the CW pulled this show from another Earth where they could actually make good TV.
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My headcanon is that only season 1 is canon to the arrowverse cause of John
@@guywholikesanimations1018 I think thats very likely the real case tbh. Otherwise, where was Kara when Doomsday showed up! I mean...she didn't even show up to her cousin's funeral?
Basically Superman & Lois is the end of an entire era of the CW that started in 2001 with Smallville and ended with Superman & Lois in 2024. I know that Arrow can probably be considered the end of the Arrowverse, but... I think the ending of Superman & Lois is no worse. I was sad to realize that all these characters will never get together and do heroic things again. But damn, despite all the problems, these projects had some kind of their own great unity vibe that everyone liked and charish. Anyway... RIP Arrowverse and CW superhero shows era 10.10.12 - 2.12.24
@@RastaGamesful while I love thought of bookending the arrowverse with Smallville and Superman and Lois, Smallville wasn't part of the Arrowverse. I know they included the scene with Tom Welling in their "Crisis On Infinite Earths" storyline, it still wasn't a part of it because ALL of the Arrowverse shows were a separate thing.
Actually smallville started on the WB and it moved onto the CW around 2005 in its 4th or 5th season. You can look it up to get the exact info.
ALL CAPS AMEN !!!
You know what I find so poetic? For the DC Comics Shows CW started with Smallvile where we saw and followed Clark Kent’s life as a kid to an adult and it ended with Superman & Lois where we saw Clark become a father and it we followed him till the end. All in all it’s really cool it started and ended with Superman.
_Smallville_ didn't start on CW; it started on the WB network. The first of the DC shows on CW was _Arrow._
@@Rose_Bride WB network became the CW
@@aystam1 Yes it did. But it WASN'T the "CW" back when _Smallville_ first premiered.
I adore this series and this was such a wonderful ending for the show and the characters. I love how they turned budget cuts a shortened season to their advantage.
During season 2 I lost my Mom. During season 3 my sister got diagnosed with breast cancer a week before Lois did in the show. In both cases in these rough times, Superman & Lois offered a much needed distraction for an hour. Lois going through her treatments helped me as I toon my sister to her treatments , and as I stayed with my sister, it allowed me to see how the show really paid attention and respect to the chemo process.
This show will easily stand with Superboy and Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman as super shows that only lasted four seasons each but left a resounding impact with me. Great video. You knocked it out of the park.
To me, Superman & Lois separating itself from the Arrowverse's canon due to the poor handling of many Superman related things in that universe and a general higher level of production quality, feels almost just as rightly justified as Arrow was to separate itself from Smallville's canon.
Episode 5 was needed though, and it’s one of the more important episodes of the season, it shows that lex had a chance to repair things with his daughter but chose not to, without it you don’t development of Lex or understanding his character
Yes, it shows that Superman extends hope, even to his worst enemies. And that Lex is not just a hurt father
Tyler Hoechlin and Bitsie Tulloch have set an incredibly high bar that as great as they are for David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan to beat and be on par with. As inconsistent as the CW DC shows were its without saying that at their best they were some of the best live action content DC had to offer and it started strong and ended strong
I think actors of Corenswet and Brosnahan's caliber will manage just fine.
The only thing I would’ve added would be in the ending montage have the grown-up superboys battling Brianiac or Darkseid for a single shot. Just to show that they are still heroes with their own villains. and that I was upset we only got to see the super boy suits for 5 seconds..
The last episode's ending actually got me in tears. Superman and Lois will always remain as my favorite shows, and I'll miss it.
Superman and Lois will go down as one of the best comic book adaptations since Daredevil Tyler Hoechlin did Superman Justice in this show was the reason my love for the character came back I became a Superman fan again because of this show
I literally told a friend last night I think Superman and Lois usurped Daredevil for best comic book tv show last episode
@@mylesherzog6757 I have not seen the penguin yet right now Superman and Lois and daredevil on my top two best comic book shows on right now and I can't wait for born again
*Superman & Lois* Main Villains Ranked
1. Lex Luthor
_Bizarro/Doomsday (HONORABLE MENTION)_
_John Henry Irons (HONORABLE MENTION)_
2. Tal-Rho/Morgan Edge/Eradicator
3. Bruno Mannheim
_Peia Mannheim/Onomatopoeia (HONORABLE MENTION)_
_Zeta-Rho (HONORABLE MENTION)_
4. Ally Allston/Parasite
Ally was such a bad villain compared to others, yet shes unbelievably powerful.
I would rank Ally last too. I didn't care for her either.
This was easily the best adaptation of Superman in live action since Christopher Reeves and the best live action Lois ever.
Gunn's Superman has the unenviable task of following this show but at least they have the blue print for a perfect Superman adaptation now.
To me, this Lex perfectly encapsulates his mindset at the end of his beef with Clark. Yes, the focus is on Lois too, but Lois only went after Lex because of Clark. The psychology of the character reminds me a lot of Smallville, where it was explained that Lex, having been raised in a business, can't really understand love. This Lex was abused as a child and processed that by ruthlessly amassing wealth. Of course he can't choose Elizabeth over Lois, he doesn’t think he'll "profit" off of his daughter, whereas he sees himself evening out the score between him and Lois.
Exactly & there have been plenty of versions of Lex. Where he had issues with Lois long before Superman shows up!
The suit was supposed to be dark. It's supposed to be a nod to how after Clark comes back to life he had the dark suit.
@ahsokarules2369 You might be right that it is making a nod to his post death suit; however, this entire series has had him in darker, toned down, drab color especially the crest. I don't know what it is about live-action Superman costumes; since 2006 they've all been purposefully drab for the most part. I didn't really care for the Supergirl show but Tyler Hoechlin's introduction and suit were actually really good on that show IMO.
I thought the suit looked darker in the final season because.... Once you find out during the season, even though Superman came back he is not the same with a human heart... His powers are diminishing & he's showing signs of aging, so eventually he will be Superman no more... So, I thought the darker suit was supposed to be some sort of reputation for that!... Or maybe I was just overthinking it 🤷
Life long Superman fan. This show was the best.
Its really the best Superman live action adaptation ever. Imo.
It was definitely my favorite CW DC show since Smallville. The cast did a great job. I'm glad they got to close out their run with a great finale.
Yet not many watched it
@@suzygirl1843 That's why it, and all the other CW DC shows, got canceled
@@suzygirl1843 again, who asked
@@RainSennin_ismyAlt I'm just stating that CW really didn't advertise this show very much.
The WB(CW) executives, never seem to realize when they have a good thing going & properly capitalize on it these days with the live action DC shows or movies! 🤷
I don't think dragging a show out makes any sense. 4 to 5 seasons is enough. S&L DID GREAT ! WENT OUT ON A HIGH ! NOW...can we get Emmy nominations for the lead actors ?!!!
You had valid points about Luthor but I just wanted to remind you that, THAT was the point. He's a sociopath. When he still had control over everything (season 3) was saw more of the Lex Luthor we know. Season 4 was his descent into madness. His ultimate destiny. Fitting for a final season.
It’s not even OOC for Lex to go off the rails & descend to thuggery when his plans start to fail.
That started when he couldn’t get his daughters location, then Superman came back to life, then he finds his daughter but ultimately loses her because he can’t let go of his hate, then the people of Smallville reject him & he’s beaten up by a powerless Superman.
That pileup of failures is enough to dig deep into his insecurities & make him go off the rails. In the end battle he keeps charging Superman repeatedly despite getting punched back each time. He’s out of tricks & running on rage rather than smarts.
@sonamtashi7706 When he kept charging Superman, I realized that he wasn't even rationalizing anymore. Running on pure hate. His tactless charging at Supes while my man is just levitating, waiting for him to come take his punch reminded me of this quote.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
@@JasirGressmann Which is why Lex is said to be insane in most portrayals of the character.
He keeps trying to achieve the same thing( destroying Superman) but fails yet tries again & again.
Even his methods are mostly the same. Use some expendable patsy fitted with experimental weaponry so that Lex can have deniability. Then fail, rinse & repeat.
I’m hoping sometime in the future, we get a DCTV multiverse crossover. They could make it a miniseries, coin it as Elseworlds, bring back the actors of several shows, including the shows they canceled like Swamp Thing or Legends of Tomorrow and end the miniseries by retconning most of the shows into taking place in the same universe. And they can always return to this continuity like have for the DC Animated Universe!
The suit was dark because i think it was a homage to his costume, the death of superman black costume
I feel like the one key difference that shows like SnL, Arcane, and every other fantastic TV show and movie out there does right is that they end their shows where they end it because thats what the characters need, not because we needed more seasons. Their character archs have all peaked and have achieved everything they needed to come full circle and thats where they ended it.
I just finished watching the first season and I was very pleasantly surprised by the quality.
I also think that this show was able to accomplish that barely any TV series in general have ever been able to accomplish, not just CW shows, which is have its ending exactly when it should. As opposed to being canceled prematurely, or even worse: overstay its welcome by 10 years.
This is my favorite live action Superman and my favorite version of Doomsday / Bizarro
I understand why you didn't love darker suit (me neither) but I get it. This is their version of the typical Death of Superman black suit. But since this show (and Elseworlds crossover before it) established the correlation between a black suit and evil Superman I get why they didn't go for an entirely black suit. We don't want to give Irons PTSD.
As someone who has loved Tyler Hoechlin since his days on Teen Wolf, I am so so glad that he has gotten to shine as Clark/Superman on his own show. I was so excited when he was cast in Supergirl and I always watched when he was appearing (wasn't a huge Supergirl fan, didn't watch it regularly past season 3, usually just watched the big crossover episodes. I was more of an Arrow fan). While I'm sad Superman and Lois is over, I hope it's just the start of Tyler's career and that he goes on to even bigger things cos I think he has a lot of talent.
I have to say that this is one of the Best Superman Projects ever made with a Slice of Life Twist, Season 1 is my favorite, Season 2 while not bad it’s the Weakest, Season 3 is my Second Favorite, and Season 4 is Third Favorite but to me they all have more Strengths than Weaknesses and has tons of Heart, Season 4 is a Great One Last Ride Epilogue to the Series and the Arrowverse, my only nitpicks is that Lex didn’t feel like a Intelligent Mastermind and Everyone knowing who Superman is was never one of my favorite stories, but it was executed well and I’m glad they ended with this as the Arrowverse has a Problem with extending the Series and Declining and we can finally Movie On from this Joke of a Universe the CW have made that’s holding back so many potential to the DC Brand, Thank You Superman and Lois for giving us a Good Time and a Good Conclusion to the Story.
Kind of figured you'd wait until the season ended when there was a lack of episode analysis the week of each episode.
Im just glad the flash finale wasnt the end of all dc cw shows. It was the end pf the arrowverse but im glas we can say the dc on cw started and ended great
fr. Flash finale was cool, but the writing it had after season 4 was so bad sometimes. Also having the superhero team was cringey and unnecessary.
@@mrmansir3734Eric Wallace was the WORST thing that ever happened to the show
@@nothingbutnet35 kind of. Some parts of the show were good with him. But the writing was so bad sometimes 😂😂. Should’ve kept the same writers from season 1-2. Pretty annoying seeing the same inconsistencies in scenes.
I understand they wanted a more intimidating Luthor, but my only problem with this show was that they didnt bring Jon Cryer back...biker Lex just didnt do it for me.
It was great to have a live adaption where Clark/Superman is written as lonely and isolated while reflecting that he actually grew up around people, loved ones and others. Some writers complain it if hard to make him seem human…. There is nothing more human than being powerful but not being able to stop cancer or death or things you can’t hit with fits or energy beams to resolve. Or dealing with life, teenagers and human behavior!
Woah, woah,,woah. Smallville's Brainiac was solid if I do say so myself
I think Krypton's Brainiac was really really good and imposing. I genuinely felt fear of him
Thank you, Superman & Lois, thank you Arrowverse, thank you Greg Berlanti, thank you CW, and SCREW YOU NEXSTAR.
Bright side: There are still 32 years of adventures to explore if this show ever gets a comeback.
I wish they had some sort of cameo of Kara in the last episode, but even without it, the show was easily the best Arrowverse show ever made, by a longshot at that.
There is no Kara in this universe. They said in season 2 that Superman is THE ONLY hero on this earth.
@@jakubgodyn7413Still tho it wouldve genuinely been touching and sweet if Melissa got don the suit one last time for that Super Family shot
@@jakubgodyn7413that doesn’t make sense because in season one they referenced Oliver and Layla and John diggle showed up twice
@@night-streakmedia3319 That's probably a doppelganger of Diggle where events might be different in this universe and by that point they were still deciding whether or not the show will be in the Arrowverse or not
@@night-streakmedia3319 when they were referenced was it by there hero names or anything mentioned bout them being heroes. Cuz they could exist here and not be heroes
ayyy you're about to hit 100k subs, congrats bro!
Pretty much how I feel/felt about the show overall, brilliant vid!
I definitely missed out I just finished the whole series…THE BEST live action Superman
I see most of the people commenting or reviewing the series complain about the Cushing family scenes and ironically these are the same people who trash the series when they don't give the supporting cast any screentime. Tho i agree sometimes Cushing family scenes were boring but adding those scenes was far better than abandoning your side characters and knowing the fact that Lana Cushing does play an important role in Clarks life and smallvilles fate this was given. People these days just love to complain but no matter what these self acclaimed critics say this series was perfect from the start to the end and it handled supporting characters in a better way than any other dc superhero show. This series is easily the second best superhero show ever. I love Tyler and he embodies the superman perfectly, better then any live action adaptation apart from Christopher reeves
This is the best series finale I've ever seen, and a fantastic Superman story. The writers, director, and cast convey a deep love and reverence for the character, and concluded this story in such a satisfying way that triggered just as many smiles as tears jerked. Seeing Superman use his influence to inspire others in building "a better tomorrow" is what I always felt the character should stand for. Him forgiving Lex for his frailty in his final moments was just so classy. It was even cool to see the evolution of Kyle and Clark's relationship where Kyle had the chance to be the hero again and administer lifesaving procedures so Clark could hang on a little longer and have the chance to say goodbye to his family. What a wonderful show this has been!
I wish that the showrunners were given the full slate of episodes to really flesh out the season how they wanted. It's so painfully clear that they wanted to do so much more with the series, and I'd kill to see that original vision
Stargirl was also great, but yes this show is awesome 😊
I think there was only one shot of Doomsday that actually looked bad, which was in the finale
You fans don't know what you like in movies and tv series I think all season 1 to 4 was mind blowing it was the best live action superman even better than man of steel
I never understand why S&L got all the good writers, good CGI, high budget, while the CW literally just trash The Flash, Supergirl and Green Arrow with crappy writings while the cast is amazingg....its just not fair at all
The showrunner for S&L was the showrunner for the flash season 2, 3, 4 & 5 and most of the directors worked on arrow
@@nathanielfarkas4431I think the main problems with the Arrowverse came down to budget, character rights, and not enough planning things out in advanced.
While I agree that season 2 wasn't as satisfying as Season 1, I have to say, outside of Ally Alston being poorly fleshed out, season 2 gave us some of the best individual moments of the show. Bizarro Superman was peak. We got the Supermen of America. Anderson was actually a pretty compelling villain compared to Ally. We got that fight with Superman taking on the DoD, which was mirrored in the Bizarro world. Speaking of which, we got an entire Bizarro world episode which was brilliantly done. Tal Rho was phenomenal in that season, and the finally gave us one of the most iconic shots of the show with a solar-infused Superman separating two earths with a cinematic overpowered punch. So while season 3 felt more consistent, I feel like season 2 had more iconic standout moments.
Never in my life, would I have given CW the credit for making a high quality Superman show….. strange times indeed.
100% agree. Great season, great story overall. This show was always best when dealing with the dynamics of his family and growing the character....revealing his powers to the world was amazing, showing his children and even grandchildren, and humanizing him as a character not just a 'symbol of hope' is where this show has always shined at. The fallout from his death and resurrection was amazing and kept me guessing what will happen. And yeah, I was disappointed by Season 2 as well...I was afraid at the time that the show would fall into the CW superhero curse...great first season, terrible followups. Thankfully the quality rebounded, and then some.
crazy how this show is levels above dawn of justice
My biggest issue with season 4 was the last episode. I wish we got to see more action before the time skip, seeing Jon and Jordan be true heroes with their suits, stuff like that.
I disagree about lex, he's when fleshed out & about him being "cartoonishly evil" he's a sociopath filled with hate... he's supposed to be that way
aside from season 2, this show was peak. maybe the biggest peak since smallville if not ever. i never thought the cw could do it again once the arrowverse went downhill
1:55 not only that but it started the trend of having a break after every 1 to 3 episodes then we'd have a week off or however long off until the next aired
An absolute banger series with the perfect ending for the man of steel.
Best Superman.
This show hit you right in the feels with a one two punch
Because the show stayed true to the comics and stood up to the people who wanted them to change things up (like that crazy woman who worked for them Season 1 and got fired because they wouldn't go along with her changes to Clark's parents)
Not enough are talking about this show, at least we got you praising it. Gave up on most of the dc cw shows but stayed with this one because to me it was on the writing level of smallville.
I disagree about lex's motivations not being reasonable he wanted revenge for bring taken away from his daughter but than becomes more of an excuse to terrorise people which is his issue with superman
Loosing both parents to cancer a decade ago, and having heart issues, the ending really hit close to home 😅
Great show, only show I was watching religiously last 4 years. Thanks for the memories. Tyler and the rest of the cast did a great job. And Doomsday was just the show stopper for me.
While I am glad that they managed to tie everything up in the final episode and made the finale season itself really work, I have a feeling that they were planning to do Darkseid at some point and that even for Brainiac to be future villains but due to budget cuts and shortened to only 4 seasons, they were forced to cut all future plans while some hints and clues to them remained.
All that said, I think it was for the best that they ended the show on 4 seasons and ended on a high note.
Actually the creators said if they had the opportunity to make more seasons they had big plans for this version of Brainiac and they was also gonna do Darkseid
Brainiac was done very very well by Krypton.
That guy was unstoppable and scary, just as he's supposed to be
Snyder and Gunn are off having fist fights over who will be the new face of superman.
While CW was quitely plugging away with this gem.
Hell Hoechlin could be the goto voice for all Superman animated works and voice overs. Like Kevin Conroy was for Batman.
Ultron as the mcu main villain part 2 coming soon?
The fake out with black lex luthor was great and i let out an audible gasp when it was john Henry irons. Same thing when bizarro first appeared and it looked like Doomsday and then they turned him into Doomsday. Goat
It's easily the best superhero show so far. Emotional, inspirational, respect and embrace what a superhero is instead of this edgy crap we've been having (looking at you The Boys). Penguin is great but is about a supervillain and is more a crime drama.
I think the reason why Superman and Lex's rivalry didn't work is because they didn't show enough flashbacks of his battles with Superman. His motivation was his daughter and his hate for Lois, but there was never a hate for Superman as he should like in the comics because of being alien. He always thought that humanity should fight for themselves. This is why BvS motivations were good too, although Jesse's acting was over the top, he was written to see Superman as an abomination.
Superman and Lois tried to go for the 90's Lex gangster style but I'm not sure if it fit since we already had a gangster storyline previously with Mannheim. It would have been better to stay close to the modern billionaire route but what do others think?
The bit that I’ve seen was solid. It felt legit. The last time I saw that was Arrow.
I like how "Old Dying Clarks" hairstyle is the same exact hairstyle as young Clarks but just a level greyer... Is greyer even a word?
I'm going to watch the video but rhe title is absolute madness when Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, one of thr best shows of the 21st century, exists.
It was the beard.. lex should have kept it.
Imagine they show montage video of CW DC shows like how Deadpool & Wolverine did a montage video of FOX Marvel films in the end credits
masterpiece.
7:21 Clark thought he was in the batman 😂
I like
Season 1
Season 4
Season 2
Season 3 ( not I hate this season, I felt they should show why Bruno fear lex and how this version John Henry killed by Bruno
This show could’ve gotten seven seasons. Seven! F WB and go, DC Studios! I’m still hoping sometime in the future, we get a DCTV multiverse crossover. They could make it a miniseries, coin it as Elseworlds, bring back the actors of several shows, including the shows they canceled like Swamp Thing or Legends of Tomorrow and end the miniseries by retconning most of the shows into taking place in the same universe. And they can always return to this continuity like have for the DC Animated Universe!
Not true. The show's cancelation had everything to do with CW being sold and them switching over to unscripted programming. Even Bitsie Tulloch said so. And that's not how licensing and networks work. The show wasn't making enough money for the new CW owners liking. The minute they started canceling all the CW DC shows, the writing was on the wall. The cancelation was inevitable.
It had nothing to do with WB or DC. The new owners of CW, Nexstar are the ones that cancelled all of these shows because they're cheap.
The head of WB admitted that they didn't want more than one live action Superman onscreen! The CW was just the final nail in the coffin.
@@AJ-xc4qe Produce a single legitimate source quoting the head of WBD saying that. That was speculation put out there by "scooper" types.
@@Mirakulus9 my mistake, the CW president
I could never get into the Arrowverse, although I did try on multiple occasions. The shows were getting a lot of praise online in various forums, but I always thought the writing and character work were somewhat cringy and immaturish. Maybe I wasn't in the targeted demographic, but those shows weren't for "me." Fast forward to 2021 with the debut of Superman & Lois, and I was reminded why Superman is my favorite superhero. This show was phenomenal from beginning to end, and I will miss it.
Most of the CW shows like Supergirl and Flash had so bad CGI scenes, this show had amazing looking CG on it's low budget.
I was hoping they'd do original concept for the supertwins because the got suits wrong Jordans suit is supposed to be white with blue accents with a red cape and Jon's suit is supposed to have a cape with his leather jacket wrapped around his waist
Great ending... gave me my favorite Superman ending of all time..... second to Reeve's Superman smiling at the camera 📷 at the end of each film
Cavanaugh is a great actor and did a great job as G Gordon Godfrey but I personally like that character to remain British and very posh. It adds to the smarminess of the character and better imitates his real world counterparts of Pierce Morgan and Sebastian Gorcha
It's strange that: for years DC TV shows were much much better than their movie (except Batman movies). Green Arrow, Flash, SnL all are successful by critics & rating. Yet WB never tap those talents for their movies. Just imagine if the writers, directors could work on DC's movie....
The WB's issue is they tend to hire directors who don't want to tell a superhero story. The other is they tried to chase the Marvel dragon without considering what the DC properties were.
It should have been a gigantic red flag that in his second appearance they were killing Cavill's Superman off. That he barely interacts with Lex. That he doesn't help form the league. That he's barely in the very first Justice League Movie(which is saying a lot due to Justice League Mortal not happening plus two Superman movie productions that failed to get off the ground).
Like the WB put its stock in Suicide Squad as the golden child over Batman.
Eric Wallace would've ruined DC with his trash & garbage ideas
Everything you mentioned in this video both positive and negative were 100% my exact thoughts as well.
Remember everyone this isn't an arrowverse show
I was kinda confused because this Lex also plays the same Lex in the Titans HBO series explaining another Superboy.
I can buy this as the definitive end to the Arrowverse. Even though this takes place on another universe, i can personally see this set in the same timline of Arrow and the Flash, just set several years after the latters finale.
In the end I'd say Superman and Lois avoided a whole lot of what hurt the Flash in it's later seasons and extended into Arrow/LOT(I think they lost the plot)/Supergirl. Black Lightning I feel maintained itself.
Clearly there was a lot they could do. Superman has been published every month(and probably up to 3-4 times a month) since the 1930's. There is no shortage of stories. Which it's baffling how the movies have barely gotten out of Superman meets Lex for 5 minutes.
What stings is they actually make a Steel suit with a red cape and S. Like.............wtf. It's miraculous how much ground they covered on a lower budget. While the Flash did that final season.
Brainiac I think had good live action portrays on Smallville and Krypton(actually looked like Brainiac and the show honestly tried to be more than it had any right to).
Yeah in the end this show covered a lot of ground and taken as a whole. Superman on TV has done a lot more that cinema needs to be better.
Season 2 of Superman and Louis is AMAZING compared to the bad seasons of Flash, Arrow, Legends, and the other shows (minus Stargirl.)
When can we expect part 2 of your perfect dc cinematic universe and nice video
If only DC was smart and took the Arrowverse to Max and what they call could of been with that kind of budget
I’m really glad the cw was able to get a good ending to its dc stories with Superman and Lois. In its hay day the cw arrow verse was really something amazing. Even if it tapered off at the end of the last couple shows I’m
Glad they went out on a high note
Superman and Lois showed why the CW was canceled. The level of attention to non important characters, the virtue signaling, the bogus science, the unrealistic decisions, and the unsuperman personality of superman. We wanted a mostly superman show with his kids but we got way too much lois and her shit and it just felt dragged out. CW DC characters are just too campy and unrealistic and way too much talking. This is why live-action hero series kinda suck for the most part as there have to be 22 episodes so they cant afford the good stuff.
I understand the show being forced to end, but at least they could have given them a better budget man. For a good Final Fight scene at least
I wasn’t a fan of the CW at first and I only watched the shows that were DC based. But then, Crazy Ex Girlfriend came around. Then my teenage cousin kept suggesting me to watch The 100 so I did. I was somewhat interested in All American but my uncle wanted to watch it so I watched it with him. And it feels the least CW-ish even as a teen drama. I've only seen the pilot of the original Roswell and haven't had time or the at-home wifi to watch it but I did get around to watching Roswell New Mexico which I think is decent. As with Legacies without ever watching TVD or The Originals. And I still think Life Sentence was better than people gave it credit for (granted, I hadn’t watched since it aired and Friendly Space Ninja hated it in his Worst Teen Dramas of All Time video). So yeah, I don't think The CW was all bad. I respect them for making great shows against the odds of low to no budget. After this show, I’m done watching. And All American should’ve ended with the wedding in the season finale. It was perfect!