Planning for Work vs. Home 📙 S01E12
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- Balancing planning for work and home can be challenging, especially when either space is better with different styles 😝 How do you plan for your work vs personal life?
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Y’all’s nonverbal *prosocial signaling in this episode was so great. Jashi has the attentive and validating head nodding and small facial expressions while listening and Mark has the great hand gestures while taking. Not saying this sarcastically. Both of your nonverbal helped me stay engaged. Thank you for this!❤🖊️🖋️
Thanks for The nod. 🙌🙌 - Mark
Jess's comment about avoiding her journal and it being demotivating to look at it when all it has in it is chores resonated with me so much. Sometimes priorities mean that my bujo is filled with stuff that I don't want to do but really need to do. Then I avoid it because it's just a reminder of all of those tasks and the journal itself starts to feel like a burden. Then my productivity goes down because I'm not using my journal. One way I've found to combat this is to start tracking silly things ("did I see the wild horses on my drive to work?" is one I like) because it keeps me using my journal. I could use more strategies if people have them!
I love how you complement each other in your planning and journaling. The mutual respect is palpable. Thank you for the wealth of ideas that come tumbling out of your discussions. For example, I also love the front-to-back and back-to-front idea and asking, "What's the problem I'm trying to solve?" Thank you!
Thanks Ruth! Glad you liked the ideas 😄
My main reason for having two bujos is because of confidentiality. My career path involves a lot of jobs that tend to have the constant risk of work notebooks being subpoenaed for either court cases or for freedom of information/privacy protection laws. So for my own peace of mind/privacy, I keep a separate personal notebook/planner etc. It makes it a little unwieldy for day-to-day stuff but I'd rather keep my personal stuff private and out of my work life lol.
This is actually such a good practice for a lot of professions, mine included. I have a standard traveler notebook for work, and one for my personal stuff and while some information may be the same in both (say, birthdays on the calendar), the critical things are not meshed together. It works very comfortably for me, and what is not to love about setting up two notebooks journals with all the fun things?
Very fair 👏 I know that when I was teaching AND doing TH-cam, I was mindful about the notes that I wrote down in my journal because there was a chance people might see sensitive information (either my students as some of them watched my videos, or others). Those weren't so much a risk of being subpoenaed, but just an awareness of who was looking 😝 - Jess
It seems so fitting that I'm catching up on episodes today and Jess' newsletter today was about work life balance 😅
👏 it’s like she plans it. -Mark
GYST methodS episode?! Yes PLEASE!
I feel called out about needing reminders to brush my teeth lol
It’s just some people’s reality and that’s okay. - Mark
Definitely a privilege to have someone else do the household management. Running a house with kids is a lot more than cleaning and tasks of daily living (dishes, laundry, food). It’s who needs a sports physical and order a birthday gift and the dogs out of heart guard, all these minute tasks. I’m a passion planner girl and also use organize365 Sunday basket system. I’m also a speech pathologist in a school and use digital systems for most work things. Love your podcast and that you both recognize if you’re not planning for home it’s cuz you have a valued partner who takes on that mental load 💗
Yes, I was thinking this. It seems that, in a lot of situations, the woman is doing more of the mental load for managing the household - it’s easy to fall into these kinds of arrangements without realising or thinking much about it, but worth examining why that is and if that’s really the best way to go about things :)
6:05 Personal hygiene is a struggle for me that have depression and ADHD (not only brushing teeth). I need to have shower, toothbrush and medicins in my bullet journal.
Completely makes sense to have it in your journal then 👏 This month I have medications in my tracker too because I keep getting this sneaking feeling that I've missed them 😅 - Jess
I struggle with the same things! AuDHD. I schedule showers, or else it’s a lot harder to prepare for the sensory hell that showers can be (too many steps and too many full-body changes, going from clothed to not, dry to wet, wet to dry, dry to clothed, to name a few).
As Mark was explaining the planning the next day's tasks the night before, it reminded me of you talking about a brain dump.. That planning felt like an organized brain dump. I like it, and I am considering doing that. Thank you Mark! Thank you to both of you for a great topic!
You could also use a travellers notebook set up and have one for home and one for work and keep them together in the same folder but separate notebooks
We have a great solution for the shared calendar at home.
We have one personal calendar each, and give insight to everyone else as well.
BUT we also have a shared one for things that relates to all. (And another separate one with birthdays, and other yearly repeatable) (Also one ONLY with dinners)
In addition, we used an OLD tablet and placed it permanently in the main comment area - this one also sees all the calendars - and since it's digital, it does update whenever someone changes their own plans.
So all can see what going on on their own phone/PC, but also just glance at it while walking past.
We ofc all have our own color, so it's easy to see if there is anything on it in your color or SHARED color.
Hope this helps someone ^^
I've been without a work system as I've been physically unable to work since the start of this year. Before that I just used (digital) tools offered by work.
Because of executive function issues I do have a chores list. Even though I'm quite well aware of what I need to do, it just helps to have it in front of me visually and being able to cross it off. It also helps with feeling like I managed to do at least something on any given day, due to the before mentioned disability.
I also do some memory keeping (multi year journal, thanks Jess!) and notes about my hobbies.
I HAVE to keep everything in 1 journal. I have full time work, home, and my daughter's school stuff & extra curricular to keep track of. I keep it all in the same week. I've considered sectioning the notebook but I need to see everything that's happening in a day with ease. I just section out each day.
Post-it notes are my saving grace! I use two notebooks - one for home and one for work/work-related. If I'm not near the one I need, I brain-dump on a post-it note and then I can either rewrite the note, or just paste the note in where it's needed. I also use this method when I don't have my monthly set up created yet (most often happens at the end of the month!). Just jot it on a post it and add it when the pages are created.
I have separate notebooks for home and work (from the Before Times when there was no working from home). Work one is a basic bullet journal style, just pen and paper, with a future/monthly logs then dailies of to dos, meetings and notes. Home/personal journal has similar layouts for planning, but is also full of stickers, washi and markers, and a range of trackers/collections - habits, savings, routines, gratitude log, books read, packing lists... Anything I need to keep life on track!
Love the very different approaches to each space. Thanks for sharing!! - Mark
I think work and home planners do need to work side by side to a certain extent as both impact each other - for eg, a busy time coming up at work means you can be more mindful of what social activities you book in etc. Great podcast - keep up the good work 👍🥰
I do use separate notebooks/planners for work and personal. My personal one is a bullet journal in a dot grid notebook. My work one is one of those standard office type week-to-view diaries which I use with bullet journal signifiers - I don't have many meetings so it's mainly my task lists each day (and any tasks I need to schedule ahead of time I can write in on the relevant day). There are a few things that make it into both notebooks but that's mainly when my personal life encroaches on work time (e.g. a medical appointment on a day I typically work) or vice versa (a work event happening on a day I normally DON'T work) - but neither is that common.
We do also have a family wall calendar on the fridge at home that has a column for each person (as there's only three people in my house, I use the spare columns for other things e.g. birthdays). I'm pretty much the only person that writes on it - but my husband and son do look at it and it gives us all a good overview of what's going on. We do all use digital calendars to varying extents as well.
Both of you are such true professionals. The knowledge you have and share is so impressive. The talent is so up there. I’ve been learning so much as I’m trying to work out what systems and methodologies will work for me or what I want to try because it intrigues me. Plus the friendship and mutual respect between you two is really great to see.
Thanks Candice! Glad you enjoy the podcast and get value from it 😄
I’m going to follow mark (?) because I’m exactly like him in the way I think, plan, and ummmmm…..oh forgetting events and tasks 😂
Thanks for this! I overthink my task list
Most welcome! Hope you enjoyed the episode 😄
For the cadence, I like a routines schedule posted.
I have a bullet journal at my office that I use for my job. Super simple no embellishments. I never bring it home. At home I have my personal journal for my personal goals/projects and self care and appointments/events. This one has monthly themes and decorations.
Hey guys, just wanted to share a system. That’s really working for me and that I don’t hear people talking about. I use an app on my phone to outline all of my daily routines like brushing my teeth doing skin care, walking the dogs making dinner cleaning the kitchen Weekly scrubbing down the stove. All the stuff like that goes into an app on my phone that just helps me see the routine if I need a reminder of what am I supposed to be doing right now? I’m trying to introduce a new habit like meal planning on Sundays and Wednesdays or gym workouts on Monday, Wednesday Friday, then I use a project or specifically a 12 week year project to introduce that habit and get it ingrained. Once it’s nature, it moves over to the routines app. The only habits I am tracking in a bullet journal type of notebook are the ones I’m trying to establish
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I started a bujo for personal things, mainly because I wanted more freedom to list out my bills/financial info on a monthly basis than what most planners have flexibility for. I have a notebook for work that has evolved to just be a daily tasklist and meeting notes. Most of my work tasks exist in a digital space though and the paper space is just like a focus tool for what needs to happen TODAY. My work uses Google and their calendar has a tasks function that I love and use to add things I need to do a week, month, six months from now, or even just tasks that need to reoccur on a daily basis.
Thanks so much for sharing your approach. So cool hearing how others are managing both space. - Mark
My work is done digitally with notes and projects planning in my planner. I have certain systems that I have to use at work to collaborate effectively, so a bullet journal doesn’t work for me at work as well. I use a preprinted planner and a notebook instead. For home though, I have meal planning and chores and finances and medical conditions to track… plus hobbies… plus social obligations… and that is what goes in a bullet journal for me.
For home I use hobonichi weeks or happy planner mini. For work I use an A4 notebook, classic happy planner, and google calendars.
I used to just use one, but now have to use 2 for confidentiality.
I have weekly spreads that have both work and personal task separated. Personal on the left page/work on the right. Also have a running task list for work in Excel. The back of my Bullet Journal is for in-depth ‘projects’ like my reading journal spreads. Easy to get to and everything is in one place. Couldn’t imagine trying to split up everything in different books
Yeah having systems for separating information while it's still in the same notebook can be handy 😄💪
I love the idea of writing front to back and back to front. I use my bujo for both home and work (mostly home) and brain dumping. I just hate using my bujo when I break my planning with my brain dumping. So thanks to you 😊I will be planning from front to back and brain dumping from back to front!
I have one main BUJO I started in January and then in about May I decided to try a really small size and flip it vertical for the monthly and other pages are dailies. This is working great as it is small enough to be with me at all times. I combine work and home but I do have another notebook for messy work notes and that is a shared book with a colleague. I am a bit of a BUJO purist and don't have much decoration but I do memory keep and will stick in a photo, ticket, receipt with my name spelt in a new and weird way in there. It's a hot mess.
i have so much extra planning energy when i’m not at uni, so i started a reading journal! it’s a great low-effort, low-expectation place for myself to outlet my creativity while also being something i only have to work on every so often (but also bc i’m always reading there’s always stuff to do in it) ☺️
Reading journals are great for that! Glad you're having fun with it 😄
My work and personal are separate. I will put my vacation schedule and pay days in both but that is it. I tried having work and personal in the same place but it caused undo stress. Plus my life is pretty simple most of the time so combining it’s needed.
I plan everything now. I probably say it daily, but man am I so glad I found this community. It's been almost a year and while I am still fighting with my system, what I am starting with is still better than nothing. A daily reader journal, a Daily routine Journal, a Love note journal, a Social Media Journal, and a Lexicon. Still have no idea how I want to set up the lexicon, but I had my hands full starting all my journals this month. while it may be difficult for some to control multiple journals, I've always found writing things down helped.. losing what I wrote them down on was the issue... now that I have thick journals that I can keep snug along with me wherever I go, Has been a lifesaver!
All about people finding systems that work for them 👏 we're glad you found the planning community too 😈
😂😂 and I will continue to call you out on your Jess-isms, Mark!!
Wouldn't have it any other way 😂
The main reason why I keep work and home planning separate is that they have very different timescales... Workwise I have several long projects (3-4 years) and recurring tasks with a periodicity of 10 to 18 months, with yearly and monthly overviews being my most used planning views.
For home stuff, most things are on a timescale between 1 and 12 months, with daily and weekly planning.
Too different approaches to be worth combining them
Also, home to me is holyday planning, noting down interesting events, tracking bureaucracy-related stuff, and children appointments (playdates, medical appointments, etc)
Hooch is liquor! Hahahaha 🤣
The only work related planning I do, is writing down when I need to be in the office. And there I just keep a running to do list.
A nice straightforward system 👏
Yay for a new episode!!!!
I have one planner in terms of scheduling/calendaring and tasks, but when I write work things in my planner, I leave out the confidential information. My workplace (I'm a teacher) uses Outlook calendar, and THAT'S where we put, like, student initials and ID numbers, but when I write a meeting down, I just very generically label it "IEP meeting" or "parent meeting" with the time and location. I need to have all tasks and events written down in one place, or else I will forget it's happening. I don't want to have to check multiple places to know what I have to do for the day.
Almost everything work related lives in Jira, only the odd reminder or adhoc task gets added to the bujo so it wouldn’t make sense to have a separate work journal
My husband remembers everything so he has no reminders written down or on a platform
Witchcraft! 😝 Haha, good for him though! 👏
Haha! I think I function as my husbands planner system. Maybe you’re so good at it too your influence is invisible 🤣
I do both but its not very organized... so if theres any spread ideas on how to combine both... id love that 😊
I created a personal traveler for hubby. He uses electronic planner for work. It is frustrating for me that he is sporadic using the traveler, which he needs to use, but isn't consistent unless I am reminding him. I use one journal for personal and work as a single point for reminders
Hi, guys! I have been trying to keep everything except maybe creative experimentation inside a single notebook, so my work planning and home planning take place in the same notebook. I have weekly pages with setups for work and home tasks/events, but most of my home tasks live in the daily pages.
Can’t forget about an R&D notebook. I’m the same. Thanks for sharing - Mark
Persnickety biscuit 🥰
I need planning for work and home in one volume. Aside from the obvious not scheduling trials during vacation, I also manage my energy expenditure better. If I have a lot of work coming up, I can schedule everything else around it. I do not track chores, though except to remind myself when was the last time I did something that's not weekly, like changing cat litter, just to make sure it gets done at some point. But i use Notion a lot, too. Has anyone done a video on the Eisenhower or other productivity method? I've seen other videos, but would be interested to hear the Planner Pals take.
She finishes asking a question at 26:59 and then doesn’t get to speak again until 31:07. 😳
I don't work, but I definitely find myself far more drawn to my creative journal than my fitness or daily. I try to keep my tasks for each balanced, but it's way easier to think up creative tasks when I see it as something that I can make money from if I just get my shit together. With that struggle, I know I need to clean more often (I so badly want the money to have someone come in and do it every 2 weeks), and I should really be doing active things once a day, but I sit at my desk as soon as my morning routine's out of the way, and sometimes only get up to go to the bathroom and grab snacks on the way back, for the next 15 hours. 🥲